indianajones Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I'd much rather they spent this time addressing the issues the vast majority of us are experiencing just now. Instead of a tiny percentage. Its not unimportant but there needs to be some rational ffs. Cynical opinion: Genuinely feels like they knew this would get resistance from down the road which would in turn give them anti UK ammunition. Scotland independent or not needs rid of this party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said: The longer the SNP stay in power the less I want Independence and the more I wish they would just shut the Scottish Parliament down. I voted Yes in 2014 but no ****ing chance will I be voting Yes again if an Independence referendum comes up anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I wouldn't have known who she was before I read the post but in that capacity she should be an authority on the equalities act. Caveat that she is a politician but you will get the drift. I've read a wee bit about her. She had the Tory whip removed in 2019 before getting it back She voted against the marriage (same sex couples) bill She accused Stanley Johnson in November 2021 of inappropriately touching her in 2003 The Women and equality is a cross party committee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I've read a wee bit about her. She had the Tory whip removed in 2019 before getting it back She voted against the marriage (same sex couples) bill She accused Stanley Johnson in November 2021 of inappropriately touching her in 2003 The Women and equality is a cross party committee I didn't know any of this. Begs the question why she is chairing that committee I suppose but the reality is that she is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said: The longer the SNP stay in power the less I want Independence and the more I wish they would just shut the Scottish Parliament down. I voted Yes in 2014 but no ****ing chance will I be voting Yes again if an Independence referendum comes up anytime soon. Fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, indianajones said: I'd much rather they spent this time addressing the issues the vast majority of us are experiencing just now. Instead of a tiny percentage. Its not unimportant but there needs to be some rational ffs. Cynical opinion: Genuinely feels like they knew this would get resistance from down the road which would in turn give them anti UK ammunition. Scotland independent or not needs rid of this party. I don't disagree with most of this but I genuinely don't think they concocted this to provoke a constitutional grievance. I do think that the Tories have galvanised support for an SNP leadership that was becoming increasingly stale and out of touch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I don't disagree with most of this but I genuinely don't think they concocted this to provoke a constitutional grievance. I do think that the Tories have galvanised support for an SNP leadership that was becoming increasingly stale and out of touch though. You can't see the connection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd still consider voting for independence, but am with you on all other points. This is no longer about bettering the lot for the people living in Scotland, it's a silly wee pissing contest between folk who can barely stop soaking their own shoes. Says it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Says it all Ps I think the spelt “ Strachan “ wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, No Idle Talk said: The longer the SNP stay in power the less I want Independence and the more I wish they would just shut the Scottish Parliament down. I voted Yes in 2014 but no ****ing chance will I be voting Yes again if an Independence referendum comes up anytime soon. Same . Covid tipped me over the edge and this issue just confirmed it. Seek fed up of it all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Same . Covid tipped me over the edge and this issue just confirmed it. Seek fed up of it all . That’s 3 of us that voted yes last time but the usual suspect will be along in a minute to tell us about the family of four next door who voted No but are now yes Indy is a dead duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, manaliveits105 said: That’s 3 of us that voted yes last time but the usual suspect will be along in a minute to tell us about the family of four next door who voted No but are now yes Indy is a dead duck You still pretending you voted yes last time 😂 How's the bollywood wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: You can't see the connection? I think they will be delighted that Jack has handed them the opportunity on a plate but I don't believe they tried to create and enact such a controversial bill so they could pick another fight with the Tories on the constitution. They don't have great public support for GR. Plenty other topics they could have provoked a fight over with far more public support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I think they will be delighted that Jack has handed them the opportunity on a plate but I don't believe they tried to create and enact such a controversial bill so they could pick another fight with the Tories on the constitution. They don't have great public support for GR. Plenty other topics they could have provoked a fight over with far more public support. We can agree to differ then 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You still pretending you voted yes last time 😂 How's the bollywood wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd still consider voting for independence, but am with you on all other points. This is no longer about bettering the lot for the people living in Scotland, it's a silly wee pissing contest between folk who can barely stop soaking their own shoes. It is tedious. A change at WM might be a start. I think it would take the wind from the SNP sails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You still pretending you voted yes last time 😂 How's the bollywood wife? My wife died she was Scottish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: That’s 3 of us that voted yes last time but the usual suspect will be along in a minute to tell us about the family of four next door who voted No but are now yes Indy is a dead duck Lol of aye remember the guy who had been to a dinner party and miraculously all the other guests had been no but were now yes ! Lol . Think he was still pished . I honestly do not know anyone who has changed from No to yes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: That’s 3 of us that voted yes last time but the usual suspect will be along in a minute to tell us about the family of four next door who voted No but are now yes Indy is a dead duck Polls would suggest otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Bobilius said: Polls would suggest otherwise. Did you miss the last poll Bob, a couple of weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Did you miss the last poll Bob, a couple of weeks ago There was a poll suggesting support for independence was a ‘dead duck’? Edited January 17, 2023 by Bobilius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Bobilius said: There was a poll suggesting support for independence was a ‘dead duck’? Not really, but it put no ahead for the 1st time in ages. Still far too close to call though. It's been neck and neck for years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, jonesy said: The SNP responded by declaring dead ducks eligible to vote and that Westminster was discriminating against mortua anatis. and the Scottish people will foot the bill as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: Not really, but it put no ahead for the 1st time in ages. Still far too close to call though. It's been neck and neck for years now So not a dead duck then? Manalive in talking shite shocker 🫠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 There's not going to be a referendum for a very long time , the Supreme Court kicked it into touch And Sturgeon thinking the next GE is a de facto vote is a load of pish . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There's not going to be a referendum for a very long time , the Supreme Court kicked it into touch And Sturgeon thinking the next GE is a de facto vote is a load of pish . The longer the time it takes, the more likely the result will be Yes imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There's not going to be a referendum for a very long time , the Supreme Court kicked it into touch And Sturgeon thinking the next GE is a de facto vote is a load of pish . It might come as a surprise to you but every general election is a defacto vote for independence and you can be sure there will be plenty on here who will be saying so if the SNP/Green/indy share of the vote takes a hit. Like when the Tories got a 80+ seat majority that was a " mandate". But when the SNP win likewise in a GE in Scotland that's not a mandate. So NS can quite easily say the next GE is a defacto referendum and if people don't vote for indy parties that should kill the indy debate for some time to come. Edited January 17, 2023 by periodictabledancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: It might come as a surprise to you but every general election is a defacto vote for independence and you can be sure there will be plenty on here who will be saying so if the SNP/Green/indy share of the vote takes a hit. Like when the Tories got a 80+ seat majority that was a " mandate". But when the SNP win likewise in a GE in Scotland that's not a mandate. So NS can quite easily say the next GE is a defacto referendum and if people don't vote for indy parties that should kill the indy debate for some time to come. Do you think if the SNP got 60% of the vote that would make any difference? You think they will declare Independence? Personally I don't see them doing nothing unless its granted from Westminster . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: It might come as a surprise to you but every general election is a defacto vote for independence and you can be sure there will be plenty on here who will be saying so if the SNP/Green/indy share of the vote takes a hit. Like when the Tories got a 80+ seat majority that was a " mandate". But when the SNP win likewise in a GE in Scotland that's not a mandate. So NS can quite easily say the next GE is a defacto referendum and if people don't vote for indy parties that should kill the indy debate for some time to come. The SNP have only had a majority government once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bobilius said: The longer the time it takes, the more likely the result will be Yes imo. Could be a long wait, my priority is getting rid of the Tories and Starmer eventually exploring a return to the EU . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: The SNP have only had a majority government once And how does that affect what I posted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: You still pretending you voted yes last time 😂 How's the bollywood wife? 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: Do you think if the SNP got 60% of the vote that would make any difference? You think they will declare Independence? Personally I don't see them doing nothing unless its granted from Westminster . If the independence parties get more voters to turn out and get a bigger share of the vote then you have to ask where is the democratic route to independence. It would heap enormous pressure on London. NS needs to rally the troops and if they will not support her then she has to accept the indy debate won't be settled any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: If the independence parties get more voters to turn out and get a bigger share of the vote then you have to ask where is the democratic route to independence. It would heap enormous pressure on London. NS needs to rally the troops and if they will not support her then she has to accept the indy debate won't be settled any time soon. There is no democratic route as Westminster won't change thier position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There is no democratic route as Westminster won't change thier position. You mean the 'real' Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There is no democratic route as Westminster won't change thier position. Is my point and also Westminster would be under huge pressure. You say Westminster won't change its position. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The enertainment on here never ends. The last what, dozen or so polls all point to a majority of Scots positive about independence. What was the last number? 56 or 58%? Whatever… But theres THREE on here who absolutely will be voting no! And so will that bloke who works in the fish mongers! Must be a dead duck then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: The SNP have only had a majority government once Because the Holyrood election system was specifically designed to stop any party getting a majority. The fact they got one once and nearly a second time shows their dominance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Bobilius said: Because the Holyrood election system was specifically designed to stop any party getting a majority. The fact they got one once and nearly a second time shows their dominance. Stop with the facts. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: The enertainment on here never ends. The last what, dozen or so polls all point to a majority of Scots positive about independence. What was the last number? 56 or 58%? Whatever… But theres THREE on here who absolutely will be voting no! And so will that bloke who works in the fish mongers! Must be a dead duck then That's what I'm talking about Pans. The only time you here about polls on here is when it shows Yes in front. The last one which showed No in front has never been mentioned until Tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: Stop with the facts. 😁 It's not really working out well having to rely on the Greens to prop up their minority government. Held to ransom springs to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: Is my point and also Westminster would be under huge pressure. You say Westminster won't change its position. Time will tell. Why would they change thier position? You seem convinced they can without saying how it's achieved . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: That's what I'm talking about Pans. The only time you here about polls on here is when it shows Yes in front. The last one which showed No in front has never been mentioned until Tonight When i said “Three” I meant 3 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: It's not really working out well having to rely on the Greens to prop up their minority government. Held to ransom springs to mind It's working out fine. The Greens are pro indy. But totally irrelevant to what I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobilius Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: It's not really working out well having to rely on the Greens to prop up their minority government. Held to ransom springs to mind Come on Nucky. Our parliament was designed to be a minority government system. You can’t whip that out as some failing of the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: When i said “Three” I meant 3 people. Kickback is in no way representative of the wider public, bud. Thank ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said: Why would they change thier position? You seem convinced they can without saying how it's achieved . I didn't say that, I didn't even suggest it. I'm certainly not convinced. I'm not even convinced NS is capable of galvanising the pro indy vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, periodictabledancer said: I didn't say that, I didn't even suggest it. I'm certainly not convinced. I'm not even convinced NS is capable of galvanising the pro indy vote. You said Westminster would be under huge pressure and time would tell .. What pressure would make them change thier mind ? If you don't have a proper answer say so . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: You said Westminster would be under huge pressure and time would tell .. What pressure would make them change thier mind ? If you don't have a proper answer say so . If the Jockanese Liberation Front sacked Newcastle and put York to the torch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dirk McTarkin said: Kickback is in no way representative of the wider public, bud. Thank ****. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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