Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Still persisting with the SNP = fascist /nazi narrative then? Which, as you know is utter horseshite and I know that you know this because you're not an imbicile. KvC, i was replying to a comment/joke accusing the Tories of being just that. I know you're not an imbecile therefore neither of us believe the Tories or SNP are racist/facist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: KvC, i was replying to a comment/joke accusing the Tories of being just that. I know you're not an imbecile therefore neither of us believe the Tories or SNP are racist/facist. ✌️👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yes I’m in agreement about private schools . I haven’t an issue with them . If parents want to pay money for their children to recieve an education . Let them . It reducing the impact on state spending in schools . However I am aware of the argument against private schools is pupils attending them get a better quality education and that can be viewed as unfair . Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools. The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools. The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. 👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools. The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less) However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work. I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless! Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion. The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools. The parents of private school pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. Is it not the charitable status of some of these schools that folk object to? Edited August 29, 2021 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less) However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work. I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless! Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion. The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said! I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windsor1874 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, windsor1874 said: Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset! Do I wonder why? That’s not my mindset though. Its about connections and networking🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: You want to talk or meme 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. Agree with almost all of that, our reasons for wanting to do it were centered around smaller class sizes and (percieved?) better focus by the pupils. All academic (!) as we decided against it in the end. Done her no harm as she has a good work ethic and has over the past few years changed jobs with a significant improvement in responsibility and salary each time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: You want to talk or meme 😂 Well your comment about how your children might meet “ better “ people by attending private schools ! I think you’ll find most of the scoundrels in Govt are privately educated ! It no way means they will meet “ better “ people . Yes maybe “ better “ connected people who perpetuate the “ old boys network “ of nepotism Edited August 29, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Agree with almost all of that, our reasons for wanting to do it were centered around smaller class sizes and (percieved?) better focus by the pupils. All academic (!) as we decided against it in the end. Done her no harm as she has a good work ethic and has over the past few years changed jobs with a significant improvement in responsibility and salary each time. It’s like everything pluses and minuses. It doesn’t make people smarter most that comes from the parents via combination of genetics, surroundings and teaching. Also glad your daughter took after her mum👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swahili Jambo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 59 minutes ago, windsor1874 said: Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset! It's beyond tragic and complete nonsense as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: Well your comment about how your children might meet “ better “ people by attending private schools ! I think you’ll find most of the scoundrels in Govt are privately educated ! It no way means they will meet “ better “ people . Urs maybe “ better “ connected people who perpetuate the “ old boys network “ of nepotism It was pretty clear I was talking in business/networking sense. So best not to take ‘better’ out of context for some faux offended. You don’t disagree it makes for better connections/networking either 😂 The game of life, is what is. I don’t make the rules. I can either moan about something, I can’t influence or play the game in a way to maximise success. I kind of take the latter approach as you can imagine. I’m going to do everything in my power to give my kids the best opportunities they can get. That’s my motivation, not some belief people are better as they come from money. Though money does take away at lot of problems. The outcomes for affluent backgrounds are much preferable over poor backgrounds in pretty much ever aspect of life, for so many reason. Only a fool would pretend it doesn’t. Life isn’t fair and not all things are equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said: It's beyond tragic and complete nonsense as well. Also a complete fabrication 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said: It's beyond tragic and complete nonsense as well. It depends how you define 'better'. Better people? Absolutely not, but that's not really what LBJ was getting at. Better connections? Absolutely. I've seen it first-hand over and over. To deny that a public school education provides a person with a competitive advantage is crazy. Whether that person possess the nous to capitalise on this advantage is another thing altogether. Edited August 29, 2021 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: It was pretty clear I was talking in business/networking sense. So best not to take ‘better’ out of context for some faux offended. You don’t disagree it makes for better connections/networking either 😂 The game of life, is what is. I don’t make the rules. I can either moan about something, I can’t influence or play the game in a way to maximise success. I kind of take the latter approach as you can imagine. I’m going to do everything in my power to give my kids the best opportunities they can get. That’s my motivation, not some belief people are better as they come from money. Though money does take away at lot of problems. The outcomes for affluent backgrounds are much preferable over poor backgrounds in pretty much ever aspect of life, for so many reason. Only a fool would pretend it doesn’t. Life isn’t fair and not all things are equal. You said “ better contacts / friends “ that’s slightly different . In other words their friends in private schools would have “ better “ qualities / personality and characteristics . That’s what I take from that . It’s a value judgement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: You said “ better contacts / friends “ that’s slightly different . In other words their friends in private schools would have “ better “ qualities / personality and characteristics . That’s what I take from that . It’s a value judgement . It’s a follow on from a conversation with KVC talking about the old boys network. The ‘others words’ are your words not mines I said contacts/friends. I never said better quality/personality or even people. that’s your and others changing the words I used to fit your own narrative tbqfhwy. I have also clarified exactly what I meant, which you agree with 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: It’s like everything pluses and minuses. It doesn’t make people smarter most that comes from the parents via combination of genetics, surroundings and teaching. Also glad your daughter took after her mum👍 You cheeky swine! Cheeky and at the same time correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: It’s a follow on from a conversation with KVC talking about the old boys network. The ‘others words’ are your words not mines I said contacts/friends. I never said better quality/personality or even people. that’s your and others changing the words I used to fit your own narrative tbqfhwy. I have also clarified exactly what I meant, which you agree with 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t want to go on about it but you explicitly state sending them to private schools they will make “ better “ friends “ . This is irrespective thAt these friends can use their influence to connect your kids to various advantages ( networking ) . It’s the definition of “ better “ which is value laden . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I don’t want to go on about it but you explicitly state sending them to private schools they will make “ better “ friends “ . This is irrespective thAt these friends can use their influence to connect your kids to various advantages ( networking ) . It’s the definition of “ better “ which is value laden . Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? I have also clarified exactly what I mean. Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻♂️ Edited August 29, 2021 by Lord BJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? I have also clarified exactly what I mean. Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? I have also clarified exactly what I mean. Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 If yer spawn is going to a private school make sure it's not the chav ones like Watsons and Heriots . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: It depends how you define 'better'. Better people? Absolutely not, but that's not really what LBJ was getting at. Better connections? Absolutely. I've seen it first-hand over and over. To deny that a public school education provides a person with a competitive advantage is crazy. Whether that person possess the nous to capitalise on this advantage is another thing altogether. It clearly does give an advantage. And whether someone has nous or not they're likely to get on better than someone of similar abilities who was state educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: If yer spawn is going to a private school make sure it's not the chav ones like Watsons and Heriots . Correct, Jeffros. The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint. Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf. Edited August 29, 2021 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: How’s the ship gov, still on board or surrounded by bevvy of African beauties serving Ngok? Thankfully you got what I was trying to say, albeit it, kack handly, it’s about the opportunities they get and that not just from smaller class sizes. It’s not what you know it’s who you know in many aspects of life, fair or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: Correct, Jeffros. The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint. Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf. As long as they partake in cricket and rugby all will be good . Junior no1 was speaking to uncle Jeffros earlier and you can detect his distain for commoners . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Correct, Jeffros. The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint. Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf. Half of the gangs go to Watsons nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Jeezo - the Bar-Ox boys have changed since their hayday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamstomorrow Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I think in life, whether you are not so well off or rich, privately educated or state school educated, it is not necessarily what you know, but who that can make the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Half of the gangs go to Watsons nowadays Correct. It's no longer exclusive enough. Sad times. 11 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Jeezo - the Bar-Ox boys have changed since their hayday... 🎼 Cruentum caput calce in es iens impetro vestri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: As long as they partake in cricket and rugby all will be good . Junior no1 was speaking to uncle Jeffros earlier and you can detect his distain for commoners . Essential to provide a solid grounding in class hatred along with their 5 a day, Jeffros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Great news, Independence just gets closer every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Great news, Independence just gets closer every day. It would appear that your typing fingers are already independent of your rational faculty, PfK. You might want to get that looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: It would appear that your typing fingers are already independent of your rational faculty, PfK. You might want to get that looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: Is it not the charitable status of some of these schools that folk object to? Yes, you're right Guv. It is the charitable status for most folks. The Greens want to go further though and commandeer all the school buildings and convert them in to accomodation blocks for one-legged, bearded transistors, Urdu translators and "people who are pregnant". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: Correct, Jeffros. The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint. Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf. Yip, you need to pay a damned sight more than 12k a year if you want to steer clear of the riff raff.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less) However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work. I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless! Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion. The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said! Great post. Agree with everything you said there. Completely humbled with the praise KvC, it's like Rudi Skacel telling me I've got a cultured left foot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord BJ Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yip, you need to pay a damned sight more than 12k a year if you want to steer clear of the riff raff.👍 Pfft I prefer the term trash with cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Pfft I prefer the term trash with cash. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Great post. Agree with everything you said there. Completely humbled with the praise KvC, it's like Rudi Skacel telling me I've got a cultured left foot! Dinny, am fillin up here 🥺😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: Correct. It's no longer exclusive enough. Sad times. 🎼 Cruentum caput calce in es iens impetro vestri. Not going to Google that as I fear it is none too complimentary... Hello, We're Bar-Ox (2021 version) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Hello, We're Bar-Ox (2021 version) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: Probably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 49 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: 😂 You either have class or not . Money. Cant buy it . Perfect example is someone like Cilla Black . Sending a child to private school doesn’t mean than are any better than public educated kids . Just means they probably have better chances to “succeed “ ,in life . That ofcourse depends on how One Evaluates adult success . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: That ofcourse depends on how One Evaluates adult success . Waking up in the morning is a victory, tbh. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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