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47 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Still persisting with the SNP = fascist /nazi narrative then?

 

Which,  as you know is utter horseshite and I know that you know this because you're not an imbicile.

KvC, i was replying to a comment/joke accusing the Tories of being just that.

I know you're not an imbecile therefore neither of us believe the Tories or SNP are racist/facist.

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Konrad von Carstein
1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

KvC, i was replying to a comment/joke accusing the Tories of being just that.

I know you're not an imbecile therefore neither of us believe the Tories or SNP are racist/facist.

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48 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I’m in agreement about private schools . I haven’t an issue with them . If parents want to pay money for their children to recieve an education . Let them . It reducing the impact on state spending in schools . However I am aware of the argument against private schools is pupils attending them get a better quality education and that can be viewed as unfair . 

Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools.

The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees  However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. 

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8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools.

The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees  However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. 

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24 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools.

The parents of private schokl pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees  However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. 

I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less)

 

However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work.

 

I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless!

 

Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion.

 

The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said!

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46 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, correct James. But the answer to private schools providing a better quality education is for the incumbent govt to improve the standard of state education, not abolish the better performing schools.

The parents of private school pupils pay for their education twice, through taxes and fees  However, the fees help to provide bursaries for those from poorer backgrounds who can't afford the fees. 

 

Is it not the charitable status of some of these schools that folk object to?

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less)

 

However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work.

 

I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless!

 

Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion.

 

The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said!


I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. 

 

Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. 
 

I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. 
 

 

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5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. 

 

Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. 
 

I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. 
 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. 

 

Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. 
 

I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. 
 

 

Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset!

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5 minutes ago, windsor1874 said:

Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset!


Do I wonder why?
 

That’s not my mindset though. 
 

Its about connections and networking🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:


I send my kids to private school. The reason wasn’t so much I believe it will get them a better education per se . It is because I believe they will fundamentally make better contacts/friends there. 

 

Not sure my rationale was 100% correct but there is definitely something there. 
 

I actually think that going to a private school is a double edge sword. There can be a hell of a load of inverted snobbery around it. It’s a fairly common thing in Edinburgh as well. 
 

 

Agree with almost all of that,  our reasons for wanting to do it were centered around smaller class sizes and (percieved?) better focus by the pupils.

All academic (!) as we decided against it in the end.

Done her no harm as she has a good work ethic and has over the past few years changed jobs with a significant improvement in responsibility and salary each time.

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45 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


You want to talk or meme 😂

Well your comment about how your children might meet “ better “ people by attending private schools ! I think you’ll find most of the scoundrels in Govt are privately educated ! It no way means they will meet “ better “ people . Yes maybe “ better “ connected people who perpetuate the “ old boys network “ of nepotism 

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2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Agree with almost all of that,  our reasons for wanting to do it were centered around smaller class sizes and (percieved?) better focus by the pupils.

All academic (!) as we decided against it in the end.

Done her no harm as she has a good work ethic and has over the past few years changed jobs with a significant improvement in responsibility and salary each time.


It’s like everything pluses and minuses. 
 

It doesn’t make people smarter most that comes from the parents via combination of genetics, surroundings and teaching. 
 

Also glad your daughter took after her mum👍

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59 minutes ago, windsor1874 said:

Do you wonder why?! Imagine thinking you're kids will meet "better" people because their mum and dad's have money. How tragic is that mindset!

It's beyond tragic and complete nonsense as well.  

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Just now, JamesM48 said:

Well your comment about how your children might meet “ better “ people by attending private schools ! I think you’ll find most of the scoundrels in Govt are privately educated ! It no way means they will meet “ better “ people . Urs maybe “ better “ connected people who perpetuate the “ old boys network “ of nepotism 


It was pretty clear I was talking in business/networking sense. So best not to take ‘better’ out of context for some faux offended. 
 

You don’t disagree it makes for better connections/networking either 😂 
 

The game of life, is what is. I don’t make the rules. I can either moan about something, I can’t influence or play the game in a way to maximise success. I kind of take the latter approach as you can imagine. 
 

I’m going to do everything in my power to give my kids the best opportunities they can get. That’s my motivation, not some belief people are better as they come from money.
 

Though money does take away at lot of problems. The outcomes for affluent backgrounds are much preferable over poor backgrounds in pretty much ever aspect of life, for so many reason. Only a fool would pretend it doesn’t. 

Life isn’t fair and not all things are equal. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

It's beyond tragic and complete nonsense as well.  

 

It depends how you define 'better'.

 

Better people? Absolutely not, but that's not really what LBJ was getting at.

Better connections? Absolutely. I've seen it first-hand over and over.

To deny that a public school education provides a person with a competitive advantage is crazy. Whether that person possess the nous to capitalise on this advantage is another thing altogether.

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2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


It was pretty clear I was talking in business/networking sense. So best not to take ‘better’ out of context for some faux offended. 
 

You don’t disagree it makes for better connections/networking either 😂 
 

The game of life, is what is. I don’t make the rules. I can either moan about something, I can’t influence or play the game in a way to maximise success. I kind of take the latter approach as you can imagine. 
 

I’m going to do everything in my power to give my kids the best opportunities they can get. That’s my motivation, not some belief people are better as they come from money.
 

Though money does take away at lot of problems. The outcomes for affluent backgrounds are much preferable over poor backgrounds in pretty much ever aspect of life, for so many reason. Only a fool would pretend it doesn’t. 

Life isn’t fair and not all things are equal. 

 

You said “ better contacts / friends “ that’s slightly different . In other words their friends in private schools would have “ better “ qualities / personality and characteristics . That’s what I take from that . It’s a value judgement . 

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Just now, JamesM48 said:

You said “ better contacts / friends “ that’s slightly different . In other words their friends in private schools would have “ better “ qualities / personality and characteristics . That’s what I take from that . It’s a value judgement . 


It’s a follow on from a conversation with KVC talking about the old boys network. 
 

The ‘others words’ are your words not mines I said contacts/friends. I  never said better quality/personality or even people. that’s your and others changing the words I used to fit your own narrative tbqfhwy. 

 

I have also clarified exactly what I meant, which you agree with 🤷🏻‍♂️

 


 

 

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40 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


It’s like everything pluses and minuses. 
 

It doesn’t make people smarter most that comes from the parents via combination of genetics, surroundings and teaching. 
 

Also glad your daughter took after her mum👍

You cheeky swine! :lol:

 

Cheeky and at the same time correct :(

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10 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


It’s a follow on from a conversation with KVC talking about the old boys network. 
 

The ‘others words’ are your words not mines I said contacts/friends. I  never said better quality/personality or even people. that’s your and others changing the words I used to fit your own narrative tbqfhwy. 

 

I have also clarified exactly what I meant, which you agree with 🤷🏻‍♂️

 


 

 

I don’t want to go on about it but you explicitly state sending them to private schools they will  make “ better “ friends “ . This is irrespective thAt  these friends can use their influence to connect your kids to various advantages ( networking ) . It’s the definition of “ better “ which is value laden . 

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9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I don’t want to go on about it but you explicitly state sending them to private schools they will  make “ better “ friends “ . This is irrespective thAt  these friends can use their influence to connect your kids to various advantages ( networking ) . It’s the definition of “ better “ which is value laden . 


Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? 
 

I have also clarified exactly what I mean.
 

Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻‍♂️

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Governor Tarkin
29 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? 
 

I have also clarified exactly what I mean.
 

Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻‍♂️

 

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38 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


Better contacts/friends is what I said. Why do you think I used contacts? 
 

I have also clarified exactly what I mean.
 

Can we at least agree now, that your interpretation of what I said is incorrect. Irrespective of whether that’s down your interpretation or my writing🤷🏻‍♂️

 

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If yer spawn is going to a private school make sure it's not the chav ones like Watsons and Heriots .

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

It depends how you define 'better'.

 

Better people? Absolutely not, but that's not really what LBJ was getting at.

Better connections? Absolutely. I've seen it first-hand over and over.

To deny that a public school education provides a person with a competitive advantage is crazy. Whether that person possess the nous to capitalise on this advantage is another thing altogether.

It clearly does give an advantage. 

And whether someone has nous or not they're likely to get on better than someone of similar abilities who was state educated. 

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8 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

If yer spawn is going to a private school make sure it's not the chav ones like Watsons and Heriots .

 

Correct, Jeffros.

 

The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint.

 

Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf.

 

 

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Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

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How’s the ship gov, still on board or surrounded by bevvy of African beauties serving Ngok?

 

Thankfully you got what I was trying to say, albeit it, kack handly, it’s about the opportunities they get and that not just from smaller class sizes. 
 

It’s not what you know it’s who you know in many aspects of life, fair or not. 

 

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Jeffros Furios
Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct, Jeffros.

 

The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint.

 

Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf.

As long as they partake  in cricket and rugby all will be good .

Junior no1 was speaking to uncle Jeffros earlier and you can detect his distain for commoners .

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9 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct, Jeffros.

 

The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint.

 

Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf.

 

 


Half of the gangs go to Watsons nowadays

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I  think in life, whether you are not so well off or rich, privately educated or state school educated, it is not necessarily what you know, but who that can make the difference.   

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Governor Tarkin
13 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


Half of the gangs go to Watsons nowadays

 

Correct. It's no longer exclusive enough. Sad times.

 

11 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Jeezo - the Bar-Ox boys have changed since their hayday...

 

🎼  Cruentum caput calce in es iens impetro vestri. 

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23 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

As long as they partake  in cricket and rugby all will be good .

Junior no1 was speaking to uncle Jeffros earlier and you can detect his distain for commoners .

 

Essential to provide a solid grounding in class hatred along with their 5 a day, Jeffros.

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3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Great news, Independence just gets closer every day. 

 

It would appear that your typing fingers are already independent of your rational faculty, PfK. You might want to get that looked at. :(

 

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11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

It would appear that your typing fingers are already independent of your rational faculty, PfK. You might want to get that looked at. :(

 

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4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Is it not the charitable status of some of these schools that folk object to?

 

 

Yes, you're right Guv. It is the charitable status for most folks. 

The Greens want to go further though and commandeer all the school buildings and convert them in to accomodation blocks for one-legged, bearded transistors,  Urdu translators and "people who are pregnant". 

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct, Jeffros.

 

The state of the toothless wee schemies pouring out of the Watson's school gates and past the Kilted Pig is enough to put you off your pint.

 

Strathallan for the Tarkin boys or gtf.

 

 

Yip, you need to pay a damned sight more than 12k a year if you want to steer clear of the riff raff.👍

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4 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

I have no gripe with private education, none at all, if I'd had the wherewithal my daughter may well have went to one (one of the less expensive one TBF but non the less)

 

However, I do have issues with the advantages and old school tie connotations it can provide when people are looking for work.

 

I've seen several privately educated people taken on at a place I used to work for purely because the MD was also privately educated and was an utter snob...said people were bang average, borderline useless!

 

Bursaries and assisted places should be far easier to obtain and more of them made available especially when schools claim charitable status. All in my opinion.

 

The bit in bold deserves some praise, well said!

Great post. Agree with everything you said there.

Completely humbled with the praise KvC, it's like Rudi Skacel telling me I've got a cultured left foot!

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6 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yip, you need to pay a damned sight more than 12k a year if you want to steer clear of the riff raff.👍

 

Pfft I prefer the term trash with cash.

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23 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Great post. Agree with everything you said there.

Completely humbled with the praise KvC, it's like Rudi Skacel telling me I've got a cultured left foot!

Dinny, am fillin up here 🥺😂

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Konrad von Carstein
1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct. It's no longer exclusive enough. Sad times.

 

 

🎼  Cruentum caput calce in es iens impetro vestri. 

Not going to Google that as I fear it is none too complimentary...

:berra:

 

 

 

Hello, We're Bar-Ox (2021 version)

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49 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

😂

You either have class or not . Money. Cant buy it . Perfect example is someone like Cilla Black . Sending a child to private school doesn’t mean than are any better than public educated kids . Just means they probably have better chances to “succeed “ ,in life . That ofcourse depends on how One Evaluates adult success . 

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8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

That ofcourse depends on how One Evaluates adult success . 

 

Waking up in the morning is a victory, tbh. 🤷‍♂️

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