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2 minutes ago, Norm said:

Happy with this. The Greens will use their position to force more environmentaly sound policies through, while the SNP will knock back the slightly crazier ones. So what we should see is more policies that focus on the environment, but without some of the extreme plans the Greens propose. 

 

 

Where is the limit though Norm?  We already have the greenest most environmentally aware UK government in the history of our country and we have the highest financial contributions via tax to green causes ever.

 

All I hear from the Greens and their associated terrorist organisation extinction rebellion are ridiculous predictions, imminent doomsday and propaganda.

 

Money does not grow on trees and every demand from the greens costs us a staggering amount of money.

 

We must have a balance, where we do our green duty but continue with our lives.  

 

People need to work, industry needs to produce and the world needs to move.

 

They seem to just sit there and constantly demand shit with zero ****s given about the impacts to people's lives right now.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I dread to think what is going to be forced on Scotland during this term with wee Pat and Lorna in a position of power. Boris seriously needs to speed up the removal of devolved powers to The Scottish "Government". Its become an absolute circus.

I agree. The Tory 'power grab' can't come quickly enough :biggrin2:

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1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Where is the limit though Norm?  We already have the greenest most environmentally aware UK government in the history of our country and we have the highest financial contributions via tax to green causes ever.

 

All I hear from the Greens and their associated terrorist organisation extinction rebellion are ridiculous predictions, imminent doomsday and propaganda.

 

Money does not grow on trees and every demand from the greens costs us a staggering amount of money.

 

We must have a balance, where we do our green duty but continue with our lives.  

 

People need to work, industry needs to produce and the world needs to move.

 

They seem to just sit there and constantly demand shit with zero ****s given about the impacts to people's lives right now.

 

 

Completely understandable points. Although I would assume they would say that the impact on our lives with these changes, is nothing compared to the impact on future generations if we carry on as is. Whether they're right or not, who knows? 

 

And as said, I would reckon the Nats will tame some of their more extreme policies to lessen the impact. I'm sure the Jerry's had a Green coalition years ago and they seem to be doing alright. 

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I'll give an example of the Greens unreasonable and ill thought out demands.  They dermand an end to Trident.  

 

6,000 people are employed at Faslane.  That is 6,000 people out of work.  Now say that associated dependants, mouths to feed from the 6,000 will be around 20,000 - 25,000 people.

 

That is 25,000 overnight in financial hardship.

 

Almost every demand I see from these ***** means job losses and financial hardhship somewhere - they just don't care.

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Just now, i8hibsh said:

I'll give an example of the Greens unreasonable and ill thought out demands.  They dermand an end to Trident.  

 

6,000 people are employed at Faslane.  That is 6,000 people out of work.  Now say that associated dependants, mouths to feed from the 6,000 will be around 20,000 - 25,000 people.

 

That is 25,000 overnight in financial hardship.

 

Almost every demand I see from these ***** means job losses and financial hardhship somewhere - they just don't care.

I would assume they would argue their plans to increase renewable energy would provide new jobs. 

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Just now, Norm said:

I would assume they would argue their plans to increase renewable energy would provide new jobs. 

 

 

But these 6,000 poor buggers may not be qualified.

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Keeping the planet habitable is more important than financial hardship tbh. 

 

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The Greens purport to be a socialist party for the 'worker' and 'for the people' when all I see them want to do is put people out of work.

 

An end to all man made CO2 by 2030 or whatever it is means no industry in 9 years time.

 

I read somewhere that volcanoes actually produce almost as much CO2 emisisons than humans - what we going to do about that?

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1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

Keeping the planet habitable is more important than financial hardship tbh. 

 

 

 

It will be, the Greens doomsday predicitons are time and time again disproved.  They have quite simply not hit the jackpot with anything they have predicted.

 

 

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So endless refugees, increased population, ageing population and constant job losses and folk are worried about the polar ice caps melting

 

:facepalm:

 

 

 

There has to be limits! We need balance.

 

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1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

The Greens purport to be a socialist party for the 'worker' and 'for the people' when all I see them want to do is put people out of work.

 

An end to all man made CO2 by 2030 or whatever it is means no industry in 9 years time.

 

I read somewhere that volcanoes actually produce almost as much CO2 emisisons than humans - what we going to do about that?

There's **** all we can do about volcanoes. There is a lot we can do to reduce human impact on the environment. 

 

I'm not saying there aren't flaws in their ideas as is. Even the mainstream parties ideas of banning petrol and diesel cars seem unworkable to me just now. **** trailing a 50ft power cable from your top floor flat to charge your car. 

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8 minutes ago, Norm said:

There's **** all we can do about volcanoes. There is a lot we can do to reduce human impact on the environment. 

 

I'm not saying there aren't flaws in their ideas as is. Even the mainstream parties ideas of banning petrol and diesel cars seem unworkable to me just now. **** trailing a 50ft power cable from your top floor flat to charge your car. 

 

 

I don't disagree we need to do our bit but as per usual the focus is on the less populated, less guilty western countries whilst India, China and Russia are doing **** all and no ***** gives a shit.

 

We do more than our bit.

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Just now, i8hibsh said:

So endless refugees, increased population and constant job losses and folk are worried about the polar ice caps melting

 

:facepalm:

 

 

 

There has to be limits! We need balance.

 

I would think their argument is "If you think we have refugee problems and job losses now, and not enough resources for the increasing population, just wait until all the low coastal areas are under water."

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Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I don't disagree we need to do our bit but as per usual the focus is on the less populated, less guilty western countries whilst India, China and Russia are doing **** all and no ***** gives a shit.

 

We do more thna out bit.

I suppose it's a bit like being in a group project. If one person isn't pulling their weight, you'll have to put in more effort to make sure you pass. It's massively unfair but saying "Well, I'm not doing anymore until China pulls their ****ing finger out." just means the group fails. 

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3 minutes ago, Norm said:

I would think their argument is "If you think we have refugee problems and job losses now, and not enough resources for the increasing population, just wait until all the low coastal areas are under water."

 

 

in 40,000 years?

 

Not being funny but in the grand scheme of things who gives a ****?  Educating kids and nursing our elderly is more important to me.

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1 minute ago, Norm said:

I suppose it's a bit like being in a group project. If one person isn't pulling their weight, you'll have to put in more effort to make sure you pass. It's massively unfair but saying "Well, I'm not doing anymore until China pulls their ****ing finger out." just means the group fails. 

 

 

China give zero ****s though and they likely never will.

 

So we compromise our lifestyles whilst they continue with business as usual there.

 

How is this fair?

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Another thing that grates on my tits is the constant sanctimonious bullshit from the mega rich.

 

My carbon footprint is almost certainly negative if not it is bear minimum when I am being schooled by ***** with carbon footprints the size of a small country.

 

**** that shit.

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We, in Scotland, Wales, NI and England have nothing to be ashamed about or to apologise about with regards to carbon footprint etc.

 

Russia, China and India should harbour mostly all the burden on their shoulders.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I'll give an example of the Greens unreasonable and ill thought out demands.  They dermand an end to Trident.  

 

6,000 people are employed at Faslane.  That is 6,000 people out of work.  Now say that associated dependants, mouths to feed from the 6,000 will be around 20,000 - 25,000 people.

 

That is 25,000 overnight in financial hardship.

 

Almost every demand I see from these ***** means job losses and financial hardhship somewhere - they just don't care.

Debenhams and the Arcadia Group made about 15,000 people redundant and no one batted an eyelid.  Why should staff at be Faslane be treated any differently?

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2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

We, in Scotland, Wales, NI and England have nothing to be ashamed about or to apologise about with regards to carbon footprint etc.

 

Russia, China and India should harbour mostly all the burden on their shoulders.

 

 

 

I think the UK is responsible for 1% of Global greenhouse gas emissions and China 29%. 

 

That said, I'm very much in favour of Green policies in general. In fact, I would probably vote for the Greens if I didn't live in Scotland. 

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1 minute ago, Cairneyhill Jambo said:

Debenhams and the Arcadia Group made about 15,000 people redundant and no one batted an eyelid.  Why should staff at be Faslane be treated any differently?

 

 

I did.   I was disgusted but no political party was demanding the redundancies.

 

Redundancies happen, when one shop shuts another one opens but who would actively want mass redundancies?

 

The Scottish Socialist Part and the Greens.

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Just now, pablo said:

 

I think the UK is responsible for 1% of Global greenhouse gas emissions and China 29%. 

 

That said, I'm very much in favour of Green policies in general. In fact, I would probably vote for the Greens if I didn't live in Scotland. 

 

 

I am also in favour of green policies, who isn't?  Well China for one:rofl:

 

To me though there must be balance and at least a modicum of reasonability and sense.  The Green Party are so Alice in Wonderland.

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1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I agree. The Tory 'power grab' can't come quickly enough :biggrin2:

Amen to that time for Boris to kick ass 

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34 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

China give zero ****s though and they likely never will.

 

So we compromise our lifestyles whilst they continue with business as usual there.

 

How is this fair?

It's not fair. But look at it like this. Let's say you share a flat with someone. The other person is a dirty *******, never cleans up after themselves, dirty dishes and rubbish all over the place. They refuse to clean up after themselves.

 

Now, they're a lot bigger and stronger than you, so you can't physically threaten them. And there's no other flats available for you to move in to, so it's this one or nothing. 

 

Do you just say "**** it, I'll live in a pigsty" or do you do your best to try and make it hospitable? 

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31 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

We, in Scotland, Wales, NI and England have nothing to be ashamed about or to apologise about with regards to carbon footprint etc.

 

Russia, China and India should harbour mostly all the burden on their shoulders.

 

 

But they won't. So that just leaves the rest of us. It's a shit state of affairs that we have to take the burden, but if we don't, we'll be ****ed even sooner. 

 

Although, personally, I'm still hoping we'll crack nuclear fusion in my lifetime and most of these issues will disappear. 

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1 minute ago, Norm said:

It's not fair. But look at it like this. Let's say you share a flat with someone. The other person is a dirty *******, never cleans up after themselves, dirty dishes and rubbish all over the place. They refuse to clean up after themselves.

 

Now, they're a lot bigger and stronger than you, so you can't physically threaten them. And there's no other flats available for you to move in to, so it's this one or nothing. 

 

Do you just say "**** it, I'll live in a pigsty" or do you do your best to try and make it hospitable? 

 

 

I've lived with soemone like that to be fair (apart from the physically stronger) - she was a right midden.

 

We are actually paying for it in our taxes disproportionately though.  We are paying for China and India.  6 pence in every 100 pence we pay in tax goes towards the environment.  That is a staggering amount.  6% of all the time you work (minus taxable allowance) goes to make the planet better - that is pretty good going Norm.  This is over a full days work every month to 'do our bit'.

 

Wee greetin face Greta seems to continually side swipe the big 2 guilty parties and focus on those countries who really are doing lots.  Probably because they wouldn't give the little rodent air time.

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32 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I did.   I was disgusted but no political party was demanding the redundancies.

 

Redundancies happen, when one shop shuts another one opens but who would actively want mass redundancies?

 

The Scottish Socialist Part and the Greens.

A large number of your 6k are/will be services and MoD,  not defending or deflecting,  just popping your bubble of hyperbole!

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Just now, Konrad von Carstein said:

A large number of your 6k are/will be services and MoD,  not defending or deflecting,  just popping your bubble of hyperbole!

 

 

Oh, they also want lots of our military out of work, don't worry about that.

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A big talking point in the carbon neutral discussion is moving towards electric cars, etc. 
 

The UK has c35m vehicles on the road and c42k charging points. With several large car manufacturers stopping petrol / diesel car production in the near future the roll out of charging points needs to speed up rapidly. 
 

Mobile phones and the internet has been around for 25+years and there are still large parts of the country where you can’t get a signal. What hope is there for a programme for rapid roll out of millions and millions of charging points? 
 

Have our Government (UK or Scotland) got any serious plans to put the infrastructure in place? And will the grid cope?

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Mikey1874

So the SNP say they need the Greens to improve how they govern.

 

Not an admission of failure then. 

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Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Oh, they also want lots of our military out of work, don't worry about that.

You have no idea how the services work do you? 

I feel fairly certain that the function and role of Faslane and to a lesser extent Rosyth will be a part of the divorce agreement...

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4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I've lived with soemone like that to be fair (apart from the physically stronger) - she was a right midden.

 

We are actually paying for it in our taxes disproportionately though.  We are paying for China and India.  6 pence in every 100 pence we pay in tax goes towards the environment.  That is a staggering amount.  6% of all the time you work (minus taxable allowance) goes to make the planet better - that is pretty good going Norm.  This is over a full days work every month to 'do our bit'.

 

Wee greetin face Greta seems to continually side swipe the big 2 guilty parties and focus on those countries who really are doing lots.  Probably because they wouldn't give the little rodent air time.

I think the green argument is if the big 3 polluters aren't going to do their bit, our bit just isn't enough anymore. We need to take on their share too. Unfair? Massively. But rising sea levels don't give a **** about fair. 

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

So the SNP say they need the Greens to improve how they govern.

 

Not an admission of failure then. 

Pol Pot could have helped the SNP improve how they govern, never mind the Greens.

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2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

You have no idea how the services work do you? 

I feel fairly certain that the function and role of Faslane and to a lesser extent Rosyth will be a part of the divorce agreement...

 

 

I'm not talking about that.  

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3 minutes ago, Norm said:

I think the green argument is if the big 3 polluters aren't going to do their bit, our bit just isn't enough anymore. We need to take on their share too. Unfair? Massively. But rising sea levels don't give a **** about fair. 

We could simply stop doing business with these 3, China in particular - that would help reduce their carbon footprint. Sadly, we have reduced ours partly by closing down our factories and buying the goods from China! 

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5 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

You have no idea how the services work do you? 

I feel fairly certain that the function and role of Faslane and to a lesser extent Rosyth will be a part of the divorce agreement...

You could have stopped your post after the first 4 words. In his world there will be no armed services in an independent Scotland. No jobs in our burgeoning renewable sector, no farming/fishing jobs. It's brainless wittering and best ignored 

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4 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Never ceases to amaze me that people whinge at politicians behaving as politicians do.

It’s the ones that seemingly can’t function in life without absalootly raging at the SNP daily. 

Scroll through all their “Smash the SNP” type Facebook pages then post the drivel on here. 
Genuinely amuses me :lol: 

 

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So much sand, so many vaginas.

 

Good to see the democratic expression of Scottish electorate rustling the jimmies of the usual suspects.

 

:greggy:

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16 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said:

A big talking point in the carbon neutral discussion is moving towards electric cars, etc. 
 

The UK has c35m vehicles on the road and c42k charging points. With several large car manufacturers stopping petrol / diesel car production in the near future the roll out of charging points needs to speed up rapidly. 
 

Mobile phones and the internet has been around for 25+years and there are still large parts of the country where you can’t get a signal. What hope is there for a programme for rapid roll out of millions and millions of charging points? 
 

Have our Government (UK or Scotland) got any serious plans to put the infrastructure in place? And will the grid cope?

 

The big talking point no one is talking about is the carbon emissions from electric cars.

 

You might think having an electric car is greener than not having a car at all the way they talk about them. 

 

Estimates have electric cars up to 80% of the emissions of petrol and diesel cars. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/25/how-green-are-electric-cars

 

 

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19 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said:

A big talking point in the carbon neutral discussion is moving towards electric cars, etc. 
 

The UK has c35m vehicles on the road and c42k charging points. With several large car manufacturers stopping petrol / diesel car production in the near future the roll out of charging points needs to speed up rapidly. 
 

Mobile phones and the internet has been around for 25+years and there are still large parts of the country where you can’t get a signal. What hope is there for a programme for rapid roll out of millions and millions of charging points? 
 

Have our Government (UK or Scotland) got any serious plans to put the infrastructure in place? And will the grid cope?

Te electric cars I’m sure heard that the National Grid asked people to charge there cars at night because of the drain on the grid during the day. Now what happens when the there is a steep rise in electric vehicles will the grid in its current shape cope? 

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If this thread is anything to go by, it seems like the deal has got more people talking about Green issues. That's got to be a good thing I think.

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5 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

I meant is unassailable not was. It's a spin off from her feet being held to the fire over her and Swinney's shameless lies on Salmond and their buffoon James Hamilton QC's bogus let off. Tightening down the hatches at the expense of Scotland.  

 

👍 Makes sense now.

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1 minute ago, pablo said:

If this thread is anything to go by, it seems like the deal has got more people talking about Green issues. That's got to be a good thing I think.

Good post!

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2 minutes ago, pablo said:

If this thread is anything to go by, it seems like the deal has got more people talking about Green issues. That's got to be a good thing I think.

Indeed.

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26 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said:

A big talking point in the carbon neutral discussion is moving towards electric cars, etc. 
 

The UK has c35m vehicles on the road and c42k charging points. With several large car manufacturers stopping petrol / diesel car production in the near future the roll out of charging points needs to speed up rapidly. 
 

Mobile phones and the internet has been around for 25+years and there are still large parts of the country where you can’t get a signal. What hope is there for a programme for rapid roll out of millions and millions of charging points? 
 

Have our Government (UK or Scotland) got any serious plans to put the infrastructure in place? And will the grid cope?

 

10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The big talking point no one is talking about is the carbon emissions from electric cars.

 

You might think having an electric car is greener than not having a car at all the way they talk about them. 

 

Estimates have electric cars up to 80% of the emissions of petrol and diesel cars. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/25/how-green-are-electric-cars

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Te electric cars I’m sure heard that the National Grid asked people to charge there cars at night because of the drain on the grid during the day. Now what happens when the there is a steep rise in electric vehicles will the grid in its current shape cope? 

There needs to be a grown up conversation about just how green the life cycle of an electric vehicle is, let alone how countries are going to power them. 

 

The current infrastructure both at generation and distribution levels right through to how people are practically going to charge all these electric cars ain't going to do it. 

 

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Any way I have taken a small step towards helping the environment. I just had PV panels installed on the house. They certainly reduce the cost of electricity especially during the day but it has also reduced my bank balance by £7k ouch but I thought it was worth it. I’m thinking of adding a battery to it but that will cost another £5k wow Interesting I’m in Tenerife at the moment and a battery for the PV panels is £350 so I’m puzzled as to why a battery back in Scotland will cost me £5k not withstanding installation of the battery. 

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1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

in 40,000 years?

 

Not being funny but in the grand scheme of things who gives a ****?  Educating kids and nursing our elderly is more important to me.

Not even 40 years.

I'm not sure you will have your mind changed but the reality is that acceleration of what was predicted is happening .

The oil giants own research predicted what's now happening 50 years ago.

Although it was slightly out as it's worse.

Social unrest and yes mass migration is predicted in less than 10 years.

All due to climate changes.

The only question is .

Is it too late.

I always thought I'd only perhaps catch the start of it.

I might live through it .

Unless you deny the evidence and the overwhelming science then the claim of us being better than others is hollow.

Anyway I doubt you will be persuaded by me.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The big talking point no one is talking about is the carbon emissions from electric cars.

 

You might think having an electric car is greener than not having a car at all the way they talk about them. 

 

Estimates have electric cars up to 80% of the emissions of petrol and diesel cars. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/25/how-green-are-electric-cars

 

 

 

There was a piece on BBC news not long ago, where old mines in Cornwall will have to be reopened to mine for the Lithium for the batteries amongst other minerals/metals.  These mines were mothballed years ago, but are now viable again.  The production of the battery has an enviromental cost to them.

 

 

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@Ked

1967 : Dire global Famine by 1975 - nope

1969 : Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989 - nope

1970 : Ice Age by 2000 - nope

1970 : America will be on water and food rations by 1980 - nope

1971 : New Ice Age coming - nope

1972 : New Ice Age by 2070 - unlikely

1974 : New Ice Age Coming Fast - nope

1974 : Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to life - possibly

1976 - The Cooling - the opposite is happening

1980 : Acid Rain to destro all lakes - nope

1978 : 30 Years cooling trend - see above

1988 : Increased global drought in the 1990s - nope

1988 : The Maldives to be completely under water in 30 years - nope

1989 : Rising seas to obliterate nations by 2000 - nope

1989 : New York highways underwater by 2019 - nope

2000 : Children wont know what snow is - nope

2004 : Britain to have Siberian Climate by 2020 - nope

2008 : Arctic will be ice free by 2018 - nope

2009 : Only 8 years to save the planet - nope

2009 : Only 50 days to save the planet from catastrophe

2013 : Arctic Ice free by 2015 - still not happening

2014 : 50 days till climate chaos - nope

 

 

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

 

It really is laughable how these lunatics get air time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

@Ked

1967 : Dire global Famine by 1975 - nope

1969 : Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989 - nope

1970 : Ice Age by 2000 - nope

1970 : America will be on water and food rations by 1980 - nope

1971 : New Ice Age coming - nope

1972 : New Ice Age by 2070 - unlikely

1974 : New Ice Age Coming Fast - nope

1974 : Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to life - possibly

1976 - The Cooling - the opposite is happening

1980 : Acid Rain to destro all lakes - nope

1978 : 30 Years cooling trend - see above

1988 : Increased global drought in the 1990s - nope

1988 : The Maldives to be completely under water in 30 years - nope

1989 : Rising seas to obliterate nations by 2000 - nope

1989 : New York highways underwater by 2019 - nope

2000 : Children wont know what snow is - nope

2004 : Britain to have Siberian Climate by 2020 - nope

2008 : Arctic will be ice free by 2018 - nope

2009 : Only 8 years to dsave the planet - nope

2009 : Only 50 days to save the planet from catastrophe

2013 : Arctic Ice free by 2015 - still not happening

2014 : 50 days till climate chaos - nope

 

 

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

 

It really is laughable how these lunatics get air time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53640382

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