Afghanistan

[doctor jambo]

18 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

@doctor jambo I ask yout this

 

When is there enough immigration then?  You want to give out immigration status to every single person who turns up uninvited on our doorstep.

 

We have to cap it every year.  By just allowing every washed up refugee we are losing the opportunity of bringing in a computer specialist from Scandinavia or a doctor form South Korea.

 

The chances of there being anything but a minority of these uninvited refugees being skilled workers are slim.  And don't even get me started on their honourable intentions.

There is no such thing as enough immigration.

Its a great thing.

As for the “illegals”

id rather take those motivated enough to walk across a continent for a better life , than support those who cannot walk around the corner for one

[doctor jambo]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

What do you mean?  Their pocket money alone is £32.  Are you saying they are housed and fed for £7.63 per week at a 4 star hotel?

 

Throw in the staffing costs from the home office etc.

 

We need to stop this romantic Alice In Wonderland fairytale bullshit.  They are not all in need of help ffs.  A lot of them are playing us.

 

 

A lot of them are drs and engineers who we are preventing from working.

 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

A lot of them are drs and engineers who we are preventing from working.

 

 

Many are I agree.  But a proportional figure?  I'd say no more than 15%.

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

There is no such thing as enough immigration.

Its a great thing.

As for the “illegals”

id rather take those motivated enough to walk across a continent for a better life , than support those who cannot walk around the corner for one

 

 

In your opinion.

 

I disagree strongly.

 

We have too much and it is now the stage where the benefits are few.

 

I certainly always want an entry and exit door at our borders but for me, severely controlled and every single immigrant must be to the benefit of our society and economy.

[i8hibsh]

6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

There is no such thing as enough immigration.

Its a great thing.

As for the “illegals”

id rather take those motivated enough to walk across a continent for a better life , than support those who cannot walk around the corner for one

 

 

Or maybe many come as they know they will be carted away to a premium location with free money every week?

 

If I can admit there are many genuine cases (which there are), would you be man enough to admit there are many fraudulant ones doc?

 

 

 

 

[doctor jambo]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Or maybe many come as they know they will be carted away to a premium location with free money every week?

 

If I can admit there are many genuine cases (which there are), would you be man enough to admit there are many fraudulant ones doc?

 

 

 

 

Some are not what they purport to be.

So what?

when you cross the globe to be here, and the first thing we do is try and turf you out who can blame them?

[Beni]

22 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

 

How can they say someone arriving in 2016 etc will make x amount over their lives?  It is conjecture.  This is also before they really settle and start families.  Families that are very much on average larger than a native UK citizen.

 

The entire 'study' is based on future conjectural graphs.  It does not take into account how many children they have.

 

I want percentages of income and children spawned.  

 

A European immigrant working in a supermarket for £9 ph has 4 kids.  Then starts working part time.  The 4 kids alone will cost the taxpayer 400K just to educate.  Are you saying they pay this in tax?

 

 

 

Good news.

Your claims (dare I say conjecture) about the number of children that immigrants have can be checked here.

As you will see someone using 4 children as an example of the average migrant can safely be dismissed.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2019#live-births-to-non-uk-born-and-uk-born-mothers

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Beni

[portobellojambo1]

24 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

The less we as a country spend to try to keep other countries more stable and keep their people feeling secure in their own place, the more chance there is of those people seeking to gain illegal entry in other countries. The UK, for whatever reason, is seen as a place that is desirable to escape to.
Afghanistan is a prime example of western governments creating a situation from their interference in a country’s affairs and not following it through properly to the end. 

The only surprise is that people in the UK are surprised when a lack of proper investment in a country that we have interfered in, results in migrants wishing to leave the mess we have left behind. Britain has a history of leaving a mess behind when it has had involvement in the Middle East.

Our government wants to boast of being a “global” nation because it sounds impressive to those who think we still have influence. Influence comes with positive and successful actions, not just abandoning people to their fate because we have failed miserably to create an environment that those people feel secure and safe enough to live in. If we don’t want to deal fairly with the fallout from our government’s hopeless actions in these countries, we should keep our nose out of their business in the first place.

That countries affairs had already been interfered with before any of the armed forces/other personnel from the USA and allies arrived 20 years ago. The Taliban had taken control of the country before that arrival, and while there those allies re-installed a government, dealt with the issues which Islam seems to place on females of all ages, fully trained their armed forces and stocked them with enough weaponry to take on the combined armies of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if such had been needed to maintain their country as they wished after the allies left them to run their own afairs in the way the allies believed the wished to do so. I had no idea how much the cost was but noticed something online which detailed a figure runnnig into high trillions of dollars. The West created what they believed the Afghan people wanted, based on Afghan input, and not only the West, but nobody on the planet probably believed that a force of aroudn 75,000 taliban students/soldiers/terrorists (call them what you will, I don't know what the correct collective name is) could retake control of the country in less than a week. The Afghans were given an opportunity to live as they wished, fully trained to defend those wishes against the likes of the Taliban but chose not to do so. The only real question or questions has to be why.

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Some are not what they purport to be.

So what?

when you cross the globe to be here, and the first thing we do is try and turf you out who can blame them?

 

 

You think I wouldn't turning up uninvited and undocumented in their country?

[Francis Albert]

32 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

The less we as a country spend to try to keep other countries more stable and keep their people feeling secure in their own place, the more chance there is of those people seeking to gain illegal entry in other countries. The UK, for whatever reason, is seen as a place that is desirable to escape to.
Afghanistan is a prime example of western governments creating a situation from their interference in a country’s affairs and not following it through properly to the end. 

The only surprise is that people in the UK are surprised when a lack of proper investment in a country that we have interfered in, results in migrants wishing to leave the mess we have left behind. Britain has a history of leaving a mess behind when it has had involvement in the Middle East.

Our government wants to boast of being a “global” nation because it sounds impressive to those who think we still have influence. Influence comes with positive and successful actions, not just abandoning people to their fate because we have failed miserably to create an environment that those people feel secure and safe enough to live in. If we don’t want to deal fairly with the fallout from our government’s hopeless actions in these countries, we should keep our nose out of their business in the first place.

As a proportion of our GDP our foreign aid budget is still among the higher rates in the world. I would have preferred to not have reduced but in itself nothing the UK could do would reduce the pressure for migration from poor countries to rich ones. 

I suspect the UK will not be the least generous among the many countries who formed part of the coalition in Afghanistan in contributing to aid.

It is those who bang on about the evils and lack of responsibility of the UK who seem to me to have an exaggerated sense of the UK's importance and it's responsibilities.

[Governor Tarkin]

35 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

There is no such thing as enough immigration.

Its a great thing.

As for the “illegals”

id rather take those motivated enough to walk across a continent for a better life , than support those who cannot walk around the corner for one

 

Truth bullets right there.

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

 

How can they say someone arriving in 2016 etc will make x amount over their lives?  It is conjecture.  This is also before they really settle and start families.  Families that are very much on average larger than a native UK citizen.

 

The entire 'study' is based on future conjectural graphs.  It does not take into account how many children they have.

 

I want percentages of income and children spawned.  

 

A European immigrant working in a supermarket for £9 ph has 4 kids.  Then starts working part time.  The 4 kids alone will cost the taxpayer 400K just to educate.  Are you saying they pay this in tax?

 

 

 

 

Isn't the idea that they won't contribute just conjecture too then?

[robroy1874]

Still find it strange that the vast majority of Afghans, who are not Pashtun or Taliban didn't put up a better fight. They certainly had arms and support to do so. 

[Cruyff]

19 minutes ago, robroy1874 said:

Still find it strange that the vast majority of Afghans, who are not Pashtun or Taliban didn't put up a better fight. They certainly had arms and support to do so. 

A lot of them did. 

[SectionDJambo]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

As a proportion of our GDP our foreign aid budget is still among the higher rates in the world. I would have preferred to not have reduced but in itself nothing the UK could do would reduce the pressure for migration from poor countries to rich ones. 

I suspect the UK will not be the least generous among the many countries who formed part of the coalition in Afghanistan in contributing to aid.

It is those who bang on about the evils and lack of responsibility of the UK who seem to me to have an exaggerated sense of the UK's importance and it's responsibilities.

I agree with almost everything there. The only part I would question is the last paragraph. This government has banged on about how leaving  the EU would strengthen our vision as “Global Britain”. Their latest catchphrase. They are the ones who big themselves up only to be completely impotent.

The truth as I see it is that the UK government has an inflated opinion of itself as a policeman of the world. That has finally been blown out of the water, since we seem to hold no sway in the foreign policy decision making of the Americans, since the latest 2 presidents unilaterally made the decision to pull out of Afghanistan, despite our belief in the, so called, special relationship. In leaving the EU, we are no longer involved in the collective decision making by them on foreign policy either. In addition, our relationship with other Middle East allies is usually on a basis of them ignoring any questions we might raise on human rights, because they know we need them more than they need us.
This could end up being a good thing if it results in us keeping our noses out of other country’s business. We should  also remember all of this fiasco when the Americans next come calling for help or support. They are still the only member country that NATO forces have reacted to an attack on. Something that escaped Trump when he was continually critical of it.

[The Mighty Thor]

3 hours ago, windsor1874 said:

If the far-right donuts on kickback are up in arms about the numbers then that's good enough for me! Generally shows you that the policies not too far off. 

This guy gets it.

 

The Daily Mail massive are frothing

 

[Cade]

ach away wi yer facts and figures

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, robroy1874 said:

Still find it strange that the vast majority of Afghans, who are not Pashtun or Taliban didn't put up a better fight. They certainly had arms and support to do so. 

 

In hindsight, we should have seen it coming. 

 

Did we really expect one group of Sunni Muslims (the security forces) to fight to the death with another group of Sunni Muslims (the Taliban), in order to maintain a strange form of government that was imposed on the country by Christian invaders?

[Francis Albert]

50 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

I agree with almost everything there. The only part I would question is the last paragraph. This government has banged on about how leaving  the EU would strengthen our vision as “Global Britain”. Their latest catchphrase. They are the ones who big themselves up only to be completely impotent.

The truth as I see it is that the UK government has an inflated opinion of itself as a policeman of the world. That has finally been blown out of the water, since we seem to hold no sway in the foreign policy decision making of the Americans, since the latest 2 presidents unilaterally made the decision to pull out of Afghanistan, despite our belief in the, so called, special relationship. In leaving the EU, we are no longer involved in the collective decision making by them on foreign policy either. In addition, our relationship with other Middle East allies is usually on a basis of them ignoring any questions we might raise on human rights, because they know we need them more than they need us.
This could end up being a good thing if it results in us keeping our noses out of other country’s business. We should  also remember all of this fiasco when the Americans next come calling for help or support. They are still the only member country that NATO forces have reacted to an attack on. Something that escaped Trump when he was continually critical of it.

...and I agree with most of that. But the UK's inflated view of the UK's global importance is not something invented by the current Government - it was Blair and Cameron who got us into Middle Eastern/North African conflicts, far predating the Brexit debate let alone its outcome. If leaving the EU were to encourage a more international (but less self-important) position rather than the EU trading cartel's defence of its own little rich mans club it might be a good thing.

[Francis Albert]

50 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

This guy gets it.

 

The Daily Mail massive are frothing

 

The Daily Mail has probably been the strongest supporter of looking after people such as the Afghan interpreters and others who are at most risk from the Taliban. But non-Daily Mail readers fel free to froth away.

[Seymour M Hersh]

I see the US Ambassador to the UN has (via the UN I think) released a statement to the Taliban.

 

"We are hearing from people in Afghanistan that they are getting threats from the Taliban, and we have expressed in no uncertain terms here at the United Nations through a very strongly worded press statement from the Security Council that we expect the Taliban to respect human rights, including the rights of women and girls," Thomas-Greenfield said. "We have also indicated that they have to be respectful of humanitarian law and that we do not expect to see that Afghanistan will become a safe haven for terrorists. But, again, it is not their words that we will hold them to. It is their actions that we will be watching."

 

Well that's them told. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

I see the US Ambassador to the UN has (via the UN I think) released a statement to the Taliban.

 

"We are hearing from people in Afghanistan that they are getting threats from the Taliban, and we have expressed in no uncertain terms here at the United Nations through a very strongly worded press statement from the Security Council that we expect the Taliban to respect human rights, including the rights of women and girls," Thomas-Greenfield said. "We have also indicated that they have to be respectful of humanitarian law and that we do not expect to see that Afghanistan will become a safe haven for terrorists. But, again, it is not their words that we will hold them to. It is their actions that we will be watching."

 

Well that's them told. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

14 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Honestly TRM it would be if it wasn't so ****ing tragically inept. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Honestly TRM it would be if it wasn't so ****ing tragically inept. 

I agree.

The usual empty words.

[dobmisterdobster]

 

Maybe the Taliban will be different this time. 🤔🤔

[Mysterion]

27 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Maybe the Taliban will be different this time. 🤔🤔

 

They'll be different in the way that it'll be like the last two decades... they'll get round all the traitors but it'll take a long time. 

 

Absolutely tragic and sickening. 

I hope we get as many as possible out safely. 

[1971fozzy]

This will all end in another war 100%.
there’s no way that the Taliban will be true to their crocodile promises. Humanitarian issues should rightly prevail. What a mess and those poor people over there  - my heart goes out to them 😢

[Homme]

2 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

This will all end in another war 100%.
there’s no way that the Taliban will be true to their crocodile promises. Humanitarian issues should rightly prevail. What a mess and those poor people over there  - my heart goes out to them 😢

 

They are on a charm offensive atm (despite some reports of the usual behaviour).

 

When the dust is settled and we've packed up completely everyone deemed a friend of the West and of course women are in deep deep shit.

 

Utterly tragic.

[1971fozzy]

35 minutes ago, Homme said:

 

They are on a charm offensive atm (despite some reports of the usual behaviour).

 

When the dust is settled and we've packed up completely everyone deemed a friend of the West and of course women are in deep deep shit.

 

Utterly tragic.

Indeed.  Nobody is buying the Talibans statements. Reports already of girls being taken, women being raped, civilians being tortured and killed.

Every civilised country needs to sort this out no matter the cost. This is an emergency and they won’t stop. They build momentum and support and their neighbouring countries will be in their sights. Add in the mix  Afghanistan will be a breeding ground for terrorists and that alone should be setting the alarm bells for any civilised country. Nuclear weapons in their hands ?? Doesn’t bear thinking about. The world has to act right now.

 

did we ever learn from the Nazi tragedy ?

Edited August 18, 2021 by 1971fozzy

[Sharpie]

Well if the Americans are as tough as they seem to think they are they will warn the Taliban that if they don't conform and behave they will send in troops and be prepared to fight a war, and they will get some willing allies, Britain, Canada and others. they could even strengthen their threat by saying they don't care if it takes twenty years and many lives, they will win. Sounds like a good idea, that'll teach em.

[Cruyff]

54 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

This will all end in another war 100%.
there’s no way that the Taliban will be true to their crocodile promises. Humanitarian issues should rightly prevail. What a mess and those poor people over there  - my heart goes out to them 😢

There will probably be something that equates to genocide over the next few years in Afghanistan once the Taliban kill everyone who worked with the Government and their families. 

[Greedy Jambo]

I'll be honest, i don't really want any afghans moving in next door. 

Charity starts at home. 

We've got enough shit going on. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Greedy Jambo

[Sharpie]

There is no doubt if there is the vast refugee actions that are being contemplated subversive influences will be included in the numbers. I am never really sure of irony, but would it be ironic if the Americans imported as refugees some Isis and other terrorist organizations after this whole mess started when they went in to Afghanistan to get terrorists who trained there and entered America  to commit a historic act of terrorism. Now they may present to them legal entry to the USA. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

10 hours ago, Homme said:

 

They are on a charm offensive atm (despite some reports of the usual behaviour).

 

When the dust is settled and we've packed up completely everyone deemed a friend of the West and of course women are in deep deep shit.

 

Utterly tragic.

 

Absolutely, they know the eyes of the world are on them right now, it'll be completely different when all the western news crews leave.

 

The Taliban say that they've changed, and they are right, they have changed, because Taliban Mk II unlike Taliban Mk I are media savvy and know the importance of propaganda.

 

The Taliban are cooperating in getting foreign nationals out, how long that cooperation will last is anybody's guess, all it takes is one incident, one flash point and the whole thing could unravel very very quickly, that is my fear.  It's also the situation outside of Kabul, because getting foreign nationals to Kabul is going to be a major challenge and can't be done with the cooperation of the Taliban. 

 

[JackLadd]

7 hours ago, Sharpie said:

There is no doubt if there is the vast refugee actions that are being contemplated subversive influences will be included in the numbers. I am never really sure of irony, but would it be ironic if the Americans imported as refugees some Isis and other terrorist organizations after this whole mess started when they went in to Afghanistan to get terrorists who trained there and entered America  to commit a historic act of terrorism. Now they may present to them legal entry to the USA. 

 

The Tsarnaev brothers are an example of the potential danger of Muslim asylum to the U.S. You can bet many like minded maniacs will see this as their opportunity.

[Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, windsor1874 said:

Just as well folk like you don't really have a say eh. It's happening so you can deal with it!

Everyone should have a say surely?

 

Maybe they could raise the tax for people who voluntarily want to contribute more to overseas aid and refugee/asylum seekers and then it goes in a fund ringfenced for such things. People on benefits who want to could contribute some of their benefit money.

 

Maybe they would actually raise more than they spend on it just now as it seems the general consensus is we are duty bound to let them all in. 

[Mister T]

10 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

Indeed.  Nobody is buying the Talibans statements. Reports already of girls being taken, women being raped, civilians being tortured and killed.

Every civilised country needs to sort this out no matter the cost. This is an emergency and they won’t stop. They build momentum and support and their neighbouring countries will be in their sights. Add in the mix  Afghanistan will be a breeding ground for terrorists and that alone should be setting the alarm bells for any civilised country. Nuclear weapons in their hands ?? Doesn’t bear thinking about. The world has to act right now.

 

did we ever learn from the Nazi tragedy ?

Post World War 2 there was a concerted effort of de-nazification in Germany. The Nuremburg trials were key, but there was a lot of effort put in to re-educate the population and embed democracy in a country that with the exception of the weimar Republic had been pretty much a totalitarian state.

In this day and age it would be difficult to do the same for fear of causing offence, mainly of the religious variety beyond the borders of afghanistan, given a global religion is at the core of the taliban's warped ideology. 

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Everyone should have a say surely?

 

Maybe they could raise the tax for people who voluntarily want to contribute more to overseas aid and refugee/asylum seekers and then it goes in a fund ringfenced for such things. People on benefits who want to could contribute some of their benefit money.

 

Maybe they would actually raise more than they spend on it just now as it seems the general consensus is we are duty bound to let them all in. 

 

Or those people could just give to charities that focus on things like that?

 

I'd be in favour of your suggestion but as soon as you start letting people pick and choose what their taxes are spent on on a case by case basis it's a slippery slope. For example if happily pay more for foreign aid, but I'd want to pay less on other things (afterall, those who care about can pay more in this scenario) even if my overall contribution was higher. 

[Tynieman]

9 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

I'll be honest, i don't really want any afghans moving in next door. 

Charity starts at home. 

We've got enough shit going on. 

 

Really? 

[Ron Burgundy]

6 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Or those people could just give to charities that focus on things like that?

 

I'd be in favour of your suggestion but as soon as you start letting people pick and choose what their taxes are spent on on a case by case basis it's a slippery slope. For example if happily pay more for foreign aid, but I'd want to pay less on other things (afterall, those who care about can pay more in this scenario) even if my overall contribution was higher. 

I wasn't suggesting that but I get that it may have came across like that.

 

 

[Ron Burgundy]

7 minutes ago, windsor1874 said:

Well yeah of course they do they've got a vote like everybody else. But thankfully there's so few of them that it is virtually zero. Have a look at the Glasgow southside parliamentary results to see how relevant these people are. Zero relevance.

If only other tiny minority groups could be told to shut up and get on with the majority's wishes.

[i8hibsh]

10 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

I'll be honest, i don't really want any afghans moving in next door. 

Charity starts at home. 

We've got enough shit going on. 

 

Honesty can only be nothing but respected regardless how hard it may be to hear for some.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that what people type on an internet forum differs greatly from what they truly feel in their mind.  I have no doubt many of the people so desperate to come across all virtuous on here feel the same as you and I Greedy J.

 

It seems to be the very rich celebrities who live in their gated mansions and elite communities,  young people who have yet to live and experience life and of course those who contribute little financially to society that champion every refugee intake.

 

It doesn’t affect them.  The Joe Schmoe like me are the ones that will always bear the burden.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by i8hibsh

[i8hibsh]

All this romantacised garbage about peace, tranquility, melting pots, cultural enrichment is to convince the impresisonable.

 

The reality is that this does serious damage to race relations and community cohesion.  Resentment is rife watching people come in and just be handed stuff for **** all at the front of the queue.

 

This is a disaster waiitng to happen.

[Mikey1874]

12 hours ago, Homme said:

 

They are on a charm offensive atm (despite some reports of the usual behaviour).

 

When the dust is settled and we've packed up completely everyone deemed a friend of the West and of course women are in deep deep shit.

 

Utterly tragic.

 

The other side of that is how the Taliban govern. Can they bring some stability or will it be a civil war. 

 

It's all very well making agreements to avoid bloodshed in their quick takeover. But they have plenty enemies and many opponents. The boot is on the other foot now. 

 

There is also the basic problem of providing food and jobs. If all the aid stopped millions will die from hunger. The general approach to sanctions throughout the world doesn't tend to put ordinary people first.

 

While there are understandable concerns about how say women will be treated there are bigger problems. 

 

Hence the main reason for the charm offensive. The Taliban are in a very weak position and need foreign funds. 

[Homme]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The other side of that is how the Taliban govern. Can they bring some stability or will it be a civil war. 

 

It's all very well making agreements to avoid bloodshed in their quick takeover. But they have plenty enemies and many opponents. The boot is on the other foot now. 

 

There is also the basic problem of providing food and jobs. If all the aid stopped millions will die from hunger. The general approach to sanctions throughout the world doesn't tend to put ordinary people first.

 

While there are understandable concerns about how say women will be treated there are bigger problems. 

 

Hence the main reason for the charm offensive. The Taliban are in a very weak position and need foreign funds. 

 

They govern with fear and brutality. I don't see a Civil war for the main reason that nobody will have the courage to stand up to them.

 

Women, food, jobs etc...I don't think they will be that bothered about any of that either as long as they stay fed and can implement their own laws.

 

I think personally it'll be back to the same old 

[Boab]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Absolutely, they know the eyes of the world are on them right now, it'll be completely different when all the western news crews leave.

 

The Taliban say that they've changed, and they are right, they have changed, because Taliban Mk II unlike Taliban Mk I are media savvy and know the importance of propaganda.

 

The Taliban are cooperating in getting foreign nationals out, how long that cooperation will last is anybody's guess, all it takes is one incident, one flash point and the whole thing could unravel very very quickly, that is my fear.  It's also the situation outside of Kabul, because getting foreign nationals to Kabul is going to be a major challenge and can't be done with the cooperation of the Taliban. 

 

The Chinese are foreign nationals.

There has been a huge shift in the power play involving Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s meetings with them and the Russians point to a change in how this will unravel. Meetings, no doubt, which precipitated where we are now.

The yanks are in a sticky position as their influence, especially next door in Pakistan will suffer IMO.

The flash point you speak of could possibly be being discussed at Langley as we speak ! They will use every trick in the book to undermine the present government. A rise in jihadi operatives will be the reason used.

It will get messy and, as usual, the big powers will use their proxy fighters to battle it out. 

 

[AlphonseCapone]

11 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

I'll be honest, i don't really want any afghans moving in next door. 

Charity starts at home. 

We've got enough shit going on. 

 

Doesn't need to end there though does it? 

[Shanks]

I dislike everyone equally so I am quite happy for as many asylum seekers, immigrants etc etc to come here. 
 

I don’t discriminate, the majority of people are arseholes - doesn’t matter if you are born here or not.

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, windsor1874 said:

Hate to break it to you lads. I know yous don't like facts and figures but just for reference, the right wingers in ukip Scotland/reform uk etc. got a COMBINED vote of about 2% in the regional list never mind constituency! LOL

 

Asylum seekers, refugees and immigration is quite rightly here to stay and it would save you a lot of stress and anger if you just learn to accept it.

 

That's me done on this subject I won't be back on. I think I've schooled them enough.

 

 

 

49 posts eh?  You need to get up very early in the morning to do the 'schooling' on here pal.

 

Not sure why you make reference to far right parties with regards to be anti asylum seekers.  Many a mainstream voter (mostly infact) will have an issue on this subject.

 

Also, feeling an influx of 'refugees' from Afghanistan is a step too much is nothing about being 'anti asylum seeker' it is about wanting some form of reasonability to the people in the United Kingdom.

 

I am not anti asylum seeker, I just want only genuine cases to come in and the UK to benefit from doing so.

 

As it stands I feel this is going to open the door to tens of thousands of 'opportunists'.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Doesn't need to end there though does it? 

 

 

It doesn't.  The United Kingdom is one fo the most benevolent countries on Earth.