Afghanistan

[The Mighty Thor]

 

6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

Spending all day telling the world how despicable Great Britain is, the worst place on Earth, claiming it is systemically racist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, etc etc but then turning round and inviting tens of thousands of people to come live here.

 

 

Do you think that maybe, just maybe it is not all that bad?

 

 

Spending all day telling everyone just how Great Great Britain is whilst simultaneously displaying all the worst traits of the more extreme and inward looking residents of these islands with your 'scroungers at the front of the queue' Daily Mail pish.  

 

You're a parody of yourself, which is no mean feat. 

[i8hibsh]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

 

Spending all day telling everyone just how Great Great Britain is whilst simultaneously displaying all the worst traits of the more extreme and inward looking residents of these islands with your 'scroungers at the front of the queue' Daily Mail pish.  

 

You're a parody of yourself, which is no mean feat. 

 

 

I don't read the Daily Mail and I have never once in all my years bought it.

 

Thanks.

[Auldbenches]

49 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I love cats (probably more than humans).  If I go into a cat rescue centre, I want to rescue them all but with a heavy heart I can't.

 

The moral of the story is we as humans and countries as entities are simply not capable of doing it all.  We are limited.

 

 

Do you donate anything to the cat rescue centre?  We can't help everything and everyone, but we can keep doing things to help, no matter if it continues for eternity.  

We can never just gove up on people in these circumstances, no matter how often it is happening.  

 

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, Cade said:

The problem with sanctions is that the people you are trying to target are the last ones to go hungry.

 

All it does is strengthen public support for those at the head of government.

 

They have never worked.

 

See Iran

[i8hibsh]

@The Mighty Thor you remind me of these people that spend their entire existance demanding socialism and telling us how wonderful it is but whenever there is a global crisis they never demand refugees go live in a socialist country.  Always seems to be the capitalist ones.

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

Do you donate anything to the cat rescue centre?  We can't help everything and everyone, but we can keep doing things to help, no matter if it continues for eternity.  

We can never just gove up on people in these circumstances, no matter how often it is happening.  

 

 

 

Always give my old clothes, books etc to the Cat rescue shop onm Dalry Road.

 

We will always help AB, we are never going to stop.  We do now and always will.

[Ked]

9 minutes ago, Cade said:

The problem with sanctions is that the people you are trying to target are the last ones to go hungry.

 

All it does is strengthen public support for those at the head of government.

 

They have never worked.

South Africa ?

[Auldbenches]

33 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

See when you've spent centuries going into these countries, subjugating their people and asset stripping the living shit out of them, then at some stage there's a reckoning. 

 

Global Britain. Great Nation. 

It's like none of it is our fault. 

28 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

You mean like most countries on the planet?

Welcome to the world of whataboutery.  We should take responsibility for what we have created and let other countries deal with their conscience.  

Forget what other countries have done, are we not to blame for any of the extreme poverty in these countries? 

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

It's like none of it is our fault. 

Welcome to the world of whataboutery.  We should take responsibility for what we have created and let other countries deal with their conscience.  

Forget what other countries have done, are we not to blame for any of the extreme poverty in these countries? 

 

 

We modernised the entire planet AB.  We have saved about a billion lives throughout time with our medical advancements.  Does this count for anything?

Edited August 19, 2021 by i8hibsh

[Auldbenches]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

We modernised the entire planet AB.  We have saved billions of lives throughout time with our medical advancement.  Does this count for anything?

We can't just take credit for the good and bot responsibility for tbe shit we caused.  

We wouldn't be seen as the evil west as much if we hadn't got involved in things in the first place.  

Sadly we have and now have responsibilities because of what we helped create.  

Sad to see you get another cheap daily mail comment when all you're doing is having an honest discussion.  

[i8hibsh]

If you are talking about extreme poverty in other countries it is not the United Kingdom's fault tcountries are over populated.  It is also not our fault for the catholic church and the religion of Islam that promote large families in deseprately poor countries.

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Auldbenches said:

We can't just take credit for the good and bot responsibility for tbe shit we caused.  

We wouldn't be seen as the evil west as much if we hadn't got involved in things in the first place.  

Sadly we have and now have responsibilities because of what we helped create.  

Sad to see you get another cheap daily mail comment when all you're doing is having an honest discussion.  

 

 

I do acknowledge the shit we caused but too many people only focus on this and not the wonderful contribution we have made.

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

@The Mighty Thor you remind me of these people that spend their entire existance demanding socialism and telling us how wonderful it is but whenever there is a global crisis they never demand refugees go live in a socialist country.  Always seems to be the capitalist ones.

I might remind you of that but however that's irrelevant both in general and to the discussion at hand given the kind of stuff that clearly whirls around inside your head and unfortunately makes its way onto this forum in your pound shop 'shock-jock' schtick. 

 

Great Britain, you know the one that loves to puff out it's chest and give it the Billy big baws routine at the heel of the USA, has a moral obligation primarily to the poor feckers we seconded to do our dirty work in Afghanistan for the last 20 years and in a wider sense to Afghan population in general to not just abandon them to the fate of living under the kind of rule that the Taliban have so far proven capable of.

 

 

[XB52]

3 hours ago, windsor1874 said:

Hate to break it to you lads. I know yous don't like facts and figures but just for reference, the right wingers in ukip Scotland/reform uk etc. got a COMBINED vote of about 2% in the regional list never mind constituency! LOL

 

Asylum seekers, refugees and immigration is quite rightly here to stay and it would save you a lot of stress and anger if you just learn to accept it.

 

That's me done on this subject I won't be back on. I think I've schooled them enough.

 

The way they post so much you would think the rabid right wing were a big majority in Scotland. The real truth is they are a smaller minority than the minorities they hate

[Auldbenches]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I do acknowledge the shit we caused but too many people only focus on this and not the wonderful contribution we have made.

That's because we are discussing a terrible situation that we have helped create.  Most recognise what we have helped the world with, but a thread on Afghanistan just noe isn't the time to shout about the good things.  This is about the Afghani people and what they are currently experiencing.  

 

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Beni said:

 

Afghanistan is the 8th poorest country in the world with a GDP of $530/head.

 

"Hit them where it hurts - in the pocket".

 

Is this internet persona an elaborate piece of performance art?

Has to be, nobody's this stupid or so desperate for attention that they'd need to post this constant stream of BS.

Believe me he is

[Boab]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Without a doubt, the US will more than likely fund, arm & train the Northern Alliance, if that hasn't already been taking place.

Looks like we got out( the thread ) at the right time, Jimbo !

🥴

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, Boab said:

Looks like we got out( the thread ) at the right time, Jimbo !

🥴

 

 

I think the thread has been pretty good tbh.

 

I really enjoy debate like this.  Most folk contribute positively and many people have food for thought (including me).

 

 

[Tynieman]

6 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

If the west starts ostracizing these countries it will kickstart change.

 

We are just constantly helping, patching, interfering, supporting etc etc.

 

Let them get on with it until they can no more.

 

Why shouldn’t we help or support the a small number of Afghanistan’s who are seeking refuge in the UK?

 

What difference is it, to say, someone immigrating from Holland to Scotland?

 

I’d hedge a bet that you find it different, simply because that the people have different skin colours’. In fact, your homophobic, racist, bigoted and ignorant posts speak for itself.

 

Rather than playing the man here, I’ll try and educate you a little bit.

 

The Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916, essentially divided the Middle East Into colonial sections.

 

We decided, for our own benefit, to split the Shia and Sunni Muslims, on purpose to cause devisions. 

 

We (again, I’ll be generic for you, as the “union” was ultimately Westminster ruling Scotland as an entity), have bombed and raped the Middle East.

 

We created a Zionist state under the “Balfour declaration” which caused war after war in the Middle East.

 

Incidentally - do you know why the Taliban were originally founded? To fight again the Soviet Union, and we literally provided them with arms and guns, as well as billions in funds.

 

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[Jambo-Jimbo]

In the Pentagon briefing just now, a question was asked.

The questions was, about British Paratroopers are going into Kabul city to rescue British citizens who can't get to the airport, are we (American) doing the same?

 

Not heard that mentioned on British TV news, there was mention of the Paras arriving and that it would beef up the UK mission.

 

Of course I'd imagine the Taliban would surely have to give permission for the Paras to go into town.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 hours ago, Tynieman said:

 

Incidentally - do you know why the Taliban were originally founded? To fight again the Soviet Union, and we literally provided them with arms and guns, as well as billions in funds.

 

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I posted on this the other day, the Taliban were formed in Northen Pakistan in the early 1990's after the Soviets had left Afghanistan, you are getting mixed up with the Mujahideen whom the US had supported against the Soviets.  

The Taliban were orginally funded by the Saudi's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11451718

[Tynieman]

15 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I posted on this the other day, the Taliban were formed in Northen Pakistan in the early 1990's after the Soviets had left Afghanistan, you are getting mixed up with the Mujahideen whom the US had supported against the Soviets.  

The Taliban were orginally funded by the Saudi's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11451718

 

You are partially correct to be fair, but the taliban do indeed, have routes in Afghanistan:

 

Taliban, Pashto Ṭālebān (“Students”), also spelled Taleban, ultraconservative political and religious faction that emerged in Afghanistan in the mid-1990s following the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the collapse of Afghanistan’s communist regime, and the subsequent breakdown in civil order. The faction took its name from its membership, which consisted largely of students trained in madrasahs (Islamic religious schools) that had been established for Afghan refugees in the 1980s in northern Pakistan.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Tynieman

[ri Alban]

Raab is a piece of shit.

[Cade]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

See Iran

Cuba

North Korea

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

13 minutes ago, Tynieman said:

 

You are partially correct to be fair, but the taliban do indeed, have routes in Afghanistan:

 

Taliban, Pashto Ṭālebān (“Students”), also spelled Taleban, ultraconservative political and religious faction that emerged in Afghanistan in the mid-1990s following the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the collapse of Afghanistan’s communist regime, and the subsequent breakdown in civil order. The faction took its name from its membership, which consisted largely of students trained in madrasahs (Islamic religious schools) that had been established for Afghan refugees in the 1980s in northern Pakistan.

 

Of course the Taliban have their roots in Afghanistan, the article I linked tells you all that.

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

If the west starts ostracizing these countries it will kickstart change.

 

We are just constantly helping, patching, interfering, supporting etc etc.

 

Let them get on with it until they can no more.

Maybe the west should give all  these countries, all their shit back , that they stole.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Raab is a piece of shit.

 

Has been for some time, so what's new.

[ri Alban]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Has been for some time, so what's new.

He ignored the Afghan foreign secretary, a week before the Taliban took over again. So he could go on holiday. 

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Maybe the west should give all  these countries, all their shit back , that they stole.

 

 

 

You literally do not own one of the opinions in your head.

[Tynieman]

10 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Of course the Taliban have their roots in Afghanistan, the article I linked tells you all that.

 

Yeah, you’re right - sorry I scanned over the points you made and missed it.

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Maybe the west should give all  these countries, all their shit back , that they stole.

 

David Cameron did 

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, ri Alban said:

He ignored the Afghan foreign secretary, a week before the Taliban took over again. So he could go on holiday. 

 

Yeh, he got one of his deputies to make the call instead, which the Afghan foreign minister refused to take the call from a junior minister.

It's debateable what the Afghan foreign minister could have done at that stage, given that the Taliban were virtually knocking at the door, I'd imagine he'd be more concerned about saving his own arse than worry about anybody else.

 

Raab should have still made the call himself though.

[doctor jambo]

53 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

David Cameron did 

 

 

And now the taliban will destroy them, if in any way they infer an existence before Islam

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

And now the taliban will destroy them, if in any way they infer an existence before Islam

 

I remember when they blew up the Buddha statues, had stood for over 1500 years and along came the Taliban who destroyed them because they weren't Islamic.  All they'll do is the same as what ISIS did to Mosul museum, pulverized thousands of years of history into dust.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Tragic story of a 5 yr old Afghan boy who along with his family fled the Taliban, only to fall to his death from a Sheffield hotel window.

https://news.sky.com/story/afghan-refugee-boy-5-dies-in-fall-from-hotel-window-in-sheffield-five-days-after-fleeing-taliban-reports-say-12385343

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, he got one of his deputies to make the call instead, which the Afghan foreign minister refused to take the call from a junior minister.

It's debateable what the Afghan foreign minister could have done at that stage, given that the Taliban were virtually knocking at the door, I'd imagine he'd be more concerned about saving his own arse than worry about anybody else.

 

Raab should have still made the call himself though.

Yeah but it gives Labour and Fatty Blackford something to try and feel relevant about 

[Savage Vince]

2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

 

You literally do not own one of the opinions in your head.

 

Whereas The Daily Mail own all of yours. 

[Auldbenches]

31 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Yeah but it gives Labour and Fatty Blackford something to try and feel relevant about 

In this context that comment is pure tory.  I know you are one but ffs.  

 

[Cade]

125 guards at the UK embassy in Kabul given their notice and told that they don't qualify for UK government protection because they were hired by a contractor.

 

Good luck, chaps.

[Ulysses]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

In the Pentagon briefing just now, a question was asked.

The questions was, about British Paratroopers are going into Kabul city to rescue British citizens who can't get to the airport, are we (American) doing the same?

 

Not heard that mentioned on British TV news, there was mention of the Paras arriving and that it would beef up the UK mission.

 

Of course I'd imagine the Taliban would surely have to give permission for the Paras to go into town.

 

An Irish woman who was stuck in the centre of Kabul is now in Islamabad.  She was escorted to the airport by members of the Taliban, who she says are also providing assistance to other foreigners trying to make their way to the airport.  She was admitted to the airport by American troops, though the implication from her interview is that the Taliban members accompanied her only as far as the airport entrance.  Link below - unfortunately the only video interview I can find of her confirming the story isn't in English.

 

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0819/1241671-afghanistan-ireland/

 

 

[Sharpie]

5 hours ago, Tynieman said:

 

Why shouldn’t we help or support the a small number of Afghanistan’s who are seeking refuge in the UK?

 

What difference is it, to say, someone immigrating from Holland to Scotland?

 

I’d hedge a bet that you find it different, simply because that the people have different skin colours’. In fact, your homophobic, racist, bigoted and ignorant posts speak for itself.

 

Rather than playing the man here, I’ll try and educate you a little bit.

 

The Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916, essentially divided the Middle East Into colonial sections.

 

We decided, for our own benefit, to split the Shia and Sunni Muslims, on purpose to cause devisions. 

 

We (again, I’ll be generic for you, as the “union” was ultimately Westminster ruling Scotland as an entity), have bombed and raped the Middle East.

 

We created a Zionist state under the “Balfour declaration” which caused war after war in the Middle East.

 

Incidentally - do you know why the Taliban were originally founded? To fight again the Soviet Union, and we literally provided them with arms and guns, as well as billions in funds.

 

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And your point is. 😃. Sorry couldn't resist.

[Tynieman]

1 hour ago, Sharpie said:

 

 

And your point is. 😃. Sorry couldn't resist.

 

It was a little bit of an outburst wasn’t it 😂 I’ve received my first warning in a long time, so I’ll resist the temptation of another outburst... I hope you’re well Sharpie

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

125 guards at the UK embassy in Kabul given their notice and told that they don't qualify for UK government protection because they were hired by a contractor.

 

Good luck, chaps.

 

That's the UK decision. Direct employees only.

 

Lots of Afghan asylum seekers still scheduled for deportation return too though put on hold. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Mikey1874

[otterjohn]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Tragic story of a 5 yr old Afghan boy who along with his family fled the Taliban, only to fall to his death from a Sheffield hotel window.

https://news.sky.com/story/afghan-refugee-boy-5-dies-in-fall-from-hotel-window-in-sheffield-five-days-after-fleeing-taliban-reports-say-12385343

This was sickening to hear about.

It breaks my heart the family are suffering so much.

I really have started to despare about how things have went in that country

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Whereas The Daily Mail own all of yours. 

 

 

I repeat (I did mention earlier), I do not read the Daily Mail.

[indianajones]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

125 guards at the UK embassy in Kabul given their notice and told that they don't qualify for UK government protection because they were hired by a contractor.

 

Good luck, chaps.

 

Scum. 

[Maple Leaf]

On 18/08/2021 at 19:27, Greedy Jambo said:

I'll be honest, i don't really want any afghans moving in next door. 

 

 

Why would that be?

[kawasakijambo]

32 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Why would that be?

Because they could move in next door to you.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

James Heappey the Armed Forces Minister talking to Stephen Dixon on Sky News, just after 7 this morning.

'Asked about reports that 100 embassy guards were told they are not eligible for relocation, he confirmed they have arrived at the airport this morning and will be moved out of Kabul later today.'

https://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-live-updates-scramble-to-evacuate-diplomats-and-embassy-workers-from-kabul-continues-12385686

Scroll down to 07:06 timeline.

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo

[i8hibsh]

Are the bursds even pretty or are they Afghan hounds?

.

I'll get my coat.