J.T.F.Robertson Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, jonesy said: Tell you what, if having CV19 generates performances like that, I hope Robbie Neilson takes note and gets some *sweet and sour bat balls on the menu for next season's team dinners. I (think) I know 😞 it can still happen, just asking. *spicy for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: I'd be inclined to make as few changes as possible; Armstrong is a straight swap for Gilmour, leave everyone else as they were at Wembley - Turnbull can come on for Armstrong at some point if necessary I get that, I just think we need to be a bit more attacking rather than containing against the Croats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I get that, I just think we need to be a bit more attacking rather than containing against the Croats. To be fair, Armstrong does have 50 odd career goals from 300 games at CM which is respectable enough. He could be a guy to crack an important one into the net for us. 2 in 27 for Scotland so he’s due one imo, netted 5 last season. (though I can think of more than a few Scotland players who were due a goal and never delivered!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I get that, I just think we need to be a bit more attacking rather than containing against the Croats. Fair enough, I think we can start off a bit cautious, both teams will be fired up, and I'm sure Croatia will try and batter us from the start. Five subs allows a fair amount of tinkering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: So he was fully inoculated yet still tested positive? Sigh, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting covid, just makes sure your body can fight it when you do. Sorry, keep seeing people saying that and it’s grinding my gears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: I'd be inclined to make as few changes as possible; Armstrong is a straight swap for Gilmour, leave everyone else as they were at Wembley - Turnbull can come on for Armstrong at some point if necessary Same here. Armstrong for Gilmour and that’s about it. I’d possibly start Nisbet but both he and Dykes are much of a muchness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said: Sigh, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting covid, just makes sure your body can fight it when you do. Sorry, keep seeing people saying that and it’s grinding my gears! I actually unnerstaun that, just looked for confirmation re the full inoculation. I shall grind no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: Fair enough, I think we can start off a bit cautious, both teams will be fired up, and I'm sure Croatia will try and batter us from the start. Five subs allows a fair amount of tinkering Our best chance will be if Croatia carry on looking like they’re not all that arsed.😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said: Our best chance will be if Croatia carry on looking like they’re not all that arsed.😀 The older players are fighting with younger players. They are feeling disrespected and the young team are telling Modric and Co to feck off. Edited June 21, 2021 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, The Old Tolbooth said: Armstrong back into the team, take out McGregor, stick on either Turnbull or Patterson for some width, and we have a good chance! Turnbull could be the wild card but he didn’t even feature in the match day squad against England, so doesn’t look like he’s in Clarke’s plans. Not entirely sure how Christie got in ahead of him in the first game given their club form. He might offer that spark if we need it later on in the game. I would fear for us if we concede first Croatia can shut the game down and I think we’d struggle to break them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said: Our best chance will be if Croatia carry on looking like they’re not all that arsed.😀 Exactly. The amazing thing about Gilmour is that he's a huge loss for a youngster with just one cap. That performance against England was simply outstanding. It's all part of football though. No difference from an injury which keeps someone out for a couple of weeks. Still confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 So , going by ITV , Mount and Chilwell are both isolating just incase after hugging Gilmour but none of our players or background team are close contacts and at any risk so are mixing as normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lithuania Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, sadj said: So , going by ITV , Mount and Chilwell are both isolating just incase after hugging Gilmour but none of our players or background team are close contacts and at any risk so are mixing as normal This doesn’t make sense to me. Is that the point you’re making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Mental rule to make those players isolate. Just about every Scotland player hugged Gilmour at the end of the match. Edited June 21, 2021 by OmiyaHearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 You'd like to think he's been retested and retested again! And retested again! Gutted for the lad. Like someone else said I was excited to watch him up against Modric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Adam_the_legend said: Sigh, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting covid, just makes sure your body can fight it when you do. Sorry, keep seeing people saying that and it’s grinding my gears! Hate to say it, but this isn’t actually true. If you’re vaccinated and you have antibodies to Covid, it does prevent you from becoming infected, because the virus can’t get a foothold. If you’ve been vaccinated and you then test positive, it’s because you didn’t mount a response to the vaccine (not that uncommon) or because you were exposed to a strain of the virus that has some resistance to the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, sadj said: So , going by ITV , Mount and Chilwell are both isolating just incase after hugging Gilmour but none of our players or background team are close contacts and at any risk so are mixing as normal Genuinely can’t make head or tail of it. And also just....how? It’s baffling. The last couple of days off so they could see families etc. was June 7th. Edited June 21, 2021 by Big Slim Stylee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: Hate to say it, but this isn’t actually true. If you’re vaccinated and you have antibodies to Covid, it does prevent you from becoming infected, because the virus can’t get a foothold. If you’ve been vaccinated and you then test positive, it’s because you didn’t mount a response to the vaccine (not that uncommon) or because you were exposed to a strain of the virus that has some resistance to the vaccine. Pretty off topic so I’ll make this my last covid comment. I’ve read a bunch of stuff contrary to this, and not the flat earther 5G hating loons, just scientists/doctors who seemed to know what they were talking about. Confused.com On topic, the rules seem all over place. Mount and chilwell having to isolate but no Scotland players...eh ok then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Belgium and Denmark to win will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If I’ve got this right. Then as long as at least one of Russia and Finland fail to win, then a win tomorrow will at least guarantee us qualification as one of the best 3rd place sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, iantjambo said: If I’ve got this right. Then as long as at least one of Russia and Finland fail to win, then a win tomorrow will at least guarantee us qualification as one of the best 3rd place sides. No. One of them has to lose Correction. If Russia draw that’s also good for us Edited June 21, 2021 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, iantjambo said: If I’ve got this right. Then as long as at least one of Russia and Finland fail to win, then a win tomorrow will at least guarantee us qualification as one of the best 3rd place sides. Its heading that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Close contact. Not close contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: No. One of them has to lose That’s what I said EDIT: Ah sorry. I’ve misworded my other post. Yeah, I meant as long as one of them lose. Apologise. Edited June 21, 2021 by iantjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, iantjambo said: If I’ve got this right. Then as long as at least one of Russia and Finland fail to win, then a win tomorrow will at least guarantee us qualification as one of the best 3rd place sides. We just need Belgium to beat Finland. If that happens, the Russia score doesn't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, iantjambo said: That’s what I said EDIT: Ah sorry. I’ve misworded my other post. Yeah, I meant as long as one of them lose. Apologise. If Russia only draw, Finland doesn’t matter to us actually ignore that because that’s wrong too 😀 If both Russia and Finland draw. Russia would finish 2nd by virtue of their head to head with Finland. Finland would finish 3rd on 4 points with a GD of zero. 2 ahead of us. So we need one of them to lose. Edited June 21, 2021 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: If Russia only draw, Finland doesn’t matter to us If Russia and Finland draw then I believe Russia would finish in second because they beat Finland. That would put Finland in 3rd place with 4 points and a goal difference of 0 and it would matter to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, OmiyaHearts said: Just about every Scotland player hugged Gilmour at the end of the match. Maybe England are well aware of that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, iantjambo said: If I’ve got this right. Then as long as at least one of Russia and Finland fail to win, then a win tomorrow will at least guarantee us qualification as one of the best 3rd place sides. And Belgium aren't going to lose and not win the group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stanley_ said: If Russia and Finland draw then I believe Russia would finish in second because they beat Finland. That would put Finland in 3rd place with 4 points and a goal difference of 0 and it would matter to us. Yes. I edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Last Laff said: And Belgium aren't going to lose and not win the group If Belgium draw they would win the group. That would put Finland on 4 points, which wouldn't be great for us. Edited June 21, 2021 by babywhalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 As long as Belgium win, 3rd in that group can only get 3pts tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 So far so good Want Finland to not pick up any points vs Belgium. Don't want Russia/Denmark to end as a draw. Don't care who wins that game as long as someone does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Captain Lithuania said: This doesn’t make sense to me. Is that the point you’re making? Yup 44 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said: Genuinely can’t make head or tail of it. And also just....how? It’s baffling. The last couple of days off so they could see families etc. was June 7th. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, OmiyaHearts said: Mental rule to make those players isolate. Just about every Scotland player hugged Gilmour at the end of the match. Hmmmm does it not have to be close contact for a period of time( 15 minutes) in an enclosed space in a sporting bubble situation ? Which doesn’t explain why 2 England players would have to isolate. Maybe just purely precautionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, babywhalo said: If Belgium draw they would win the group. That would put Finland on 4 points, which wouldn't be great for us. It’s fine for us if Russia lose though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, JimmyCant said: It’s fine for us if Russia lose though Yes, sorry, I was just saying we only need Belgium to win as that seems pretty likely to me. But aye, if Denmark win, all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, babywhalo said: Yes, sorry, I was just saying we only need Belgium to win as that seems pretty likely to me. But aye, if Denmark win, all good Heed nippin stuff. We better win tomorrow after all this ! Edited June 21, 2021 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Heed nippin stuff. We better win tomorrow after all this ! Haha, aye that's the main thing! 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 My brain hurts. Will a 5-1 win do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 For anyone struggling a bit with the possible permutations, this video should help you get your head round it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 So far so good…….. I think 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Adam_the_legend said: Sigh, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting covid, just makes sure your body can fight it when you do. Sorry, keep seeing people saying that and it’s grinding my gears! everyone is less contagious, sheds less virus thus reduces your chances of catching it in the first place. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112 so if enough people are vaccinated it actually does prevent covid. This is the fundamental basis of Herd immunity. We aren’t all walking around catching measles every day and fighting it off Edited June 21, 2021 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Twist in the tale coming here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) wrong thread Edited June 21, 2021 by milky_26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Bit shocked to learn that we can't finish above the Czechs even if England stick 6 past them. I presume we do qualify if the opposite occurs or have they dreamt up some other rule to frustrate us. All assuming we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Kiwidoug said: Bit shocked to learn that we can't finish above the Czechs even if England stick 6 past them. I presume we do qualify if the opposite occurs or have they dreamt up some other rule to frustrate us. All assuming we win. 1 minute ago, Kiwidoug said: Bit shocked to learn that we can't finish above the Czechs even if England stick 6 past them. I presume we do qualify if the opposite occurs or have they dreamt up some other rule to frustrate us. All assuming we win. f we win we qualify (subject to something crazy not happening in the next 10-15 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Kiwidoug said: Bit shocked to learn that we can't finish above the Czechs even if England stick 6 past them. I presume we do qualify if the opposite occurs or have they dreamt up some other rule to frustrate us. All assuming we win. The Czechs would finish above us on head to head. As the results stand tonight, any win tomorrow guarantees us to go through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babywhalo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Confirmed - any win tomorrow and we have qualified. It's the same for Croatia. And a draw puts us both out. Could be interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Any win by any score by any means please Scotland. Own goal, dodgy pen, anything will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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