2021 Scottish Parliament Election (Thursday 6th May 2021)

[sadj]

Good hold for Baillie , big increase 

[sadj]

Cons to Labour tactical there im guessing

[dobmisterdobster]

I guess the recount rumours were wrong. Weird, since the media picked up on them.

I don't see a path to a majority but the Greens will be lobby fodder for the SNP regardless.

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, sadj said:

Baillie 17825

cons 3205

ld 676

snp 16342

I thought there was only meant to be 25 votes in it?

[The Old Tolbooth]

33 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Agree. 

 

SNP are below 50% of the vote. Might end up around 42 to 45%.

 

But its still very good result. Somehow taken for granted. 

I mentioned earlier in the thread though that 35% ish of Labour followers will vote for Indy, as will around 50-60% of Lib Dems, and 10% of Tories, but around 5% of SNP voters will vote against Indy, also the Greens will vote for Indy too, so 42-45% is excellent. 

[Space Mackerel]

Plenty tactical voting by Unionists voters and 3 seats down.

[Boab]

Thought that was a goner for Labour.

Majority needed places like Dumbarton.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, sadj said:

Cons to Labour tactical there im guessing

Big time.

[JimmyCant]

Dumbarton not even close. Voted in by pro union tactical voting 

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, sadj said:

Cons to Labour tactical there im guessing

 

JackLadd finally getting his sleekit, anti-democratic wish in a constituency.

[HeartOfWestLothian]

Good Labour hold! 

[gjcc]

Just now, Barack said:

Tight margin for Baillie?

 

Bloody hell. Who asked for that recount!

Probably the tories. Hence it didn’t take long.  

[Randy Marsh]

Just now, Boab said:

Thought that was a goner for Labour.

Majority needed places like Dumbarton.

I'm sure Dumbarton was one of the few areas that voted Yes in 2014.  It seems weird that Baillie won again with a better majority. 

[Norm]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Tight margin for Baillie?

 

Bloody hell. Who asked for that recount!

Donald McTrump. 

[JimmyCant]

Doesn’t do any harm to have the SNP with the Greens looking over their shoulder. Straight majority probably not happening now unless there are some big surprises tomorrow 

[Konrad von Carstein]

5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

JackLadd finally getting his sleekit, anti-democratic wish in a constituency.

 

Him and the other Schicklgruber brothers will be necking the schnapps as we speak.

[Justin Z]

2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Him and the other Schicklgruber brothers will be necking the schnapps as we speak.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Justin Z

[Nucky Thompson]

I know it probably won't happen, but if the Greens don't do well in the list vote and the SNP didn't get an overall majority, would they form a minority government?

Edited May 7, 2021 by Nucky Thompson

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

 

 

 

Blaming the voters again. 

[JimmyCant]

4 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said:

I'm sure Dumbarton was one of the few areas that voted Yes in 2014.  It seems weird that Baillie won again with a better majority. 

Almost all of it due to the tactical switch from Tory to Labour. The pro Indy side will recover all these tactical losses and more when the Green list seats are added.

[LeftBack]

15 minutes ago, Boab said:

Close, mate.

 

Always going to lose but bigger picture... 

[Justin Z]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

Blaming the voters again. 

 

Calling a spade a spade, and calling out exactly what Tory politicians encouraged as fundamentally against the democratic spirit of this system (and why), is not in any way blaming individual voters.

[JimmyCant]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Blaming the voters again. 

It’s not blaming the voters. If anyone is to blame its traditional SNP voters who couldn’t be arsed walking down the street.

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

 

Calling a spade a spade, and calling out exactly what Tory politicians encouraged as fundamentally against the democratic spirit of this system (and why), is not in any way blaming individual voters.

 

First past the post gives no other alternative. 

 

The opposition to independence remains underestimated. 

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

It’s not blaming the voters. If anyone is to blame its traditional SNP voters who couldn’t be arsed walking down the street.

 

The pundits were saying before the election that a low turnout favours the SNP more. 

 

But that's not the case here. Another positive for the SNP. 

[XB52]

3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

It’s not blaming the voters. If anyone is to blame its traditional SNP voters who couldn’t be arsed walking down the street.

What are you on about. SNP vote went up but the blue and red tories voted together

[JimmyCant]

2 minutes ago, XB52 said:

What are you on about. SNP vote went up but the blue and red tories voted together

It didn’t go up in line with the turnout though did it ?

[TheOak88]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

Wont be an overall majority that means breaking the system and its next to impossible. 

 

It has been done before. 

[Justin Z]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

First past the post gives no other alternative. 

 

The opposition to independence remains underestimated. 

 

 

[Newton51]

I think a Snp greens coalition makes sense. Green votes have helped the budget votes get thru past years. Initial list votes seem to indicate they have done pretty well in some areas already 

[sadj]

6 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

It has been done before. 

Aye but its incredibly unlikely

[XB52]

8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

It didn’t go up in line with the turnout though did it ?

Yes it did. The SNP share of the vote went up by over 2%

[Shanks said no]

7 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

They have also released Edinburgh Central and Edinburgh Southern list votes, on their twitter account. 

 

 

My reading of that is the 14k who have voted SNP have wasted the lead in their pencils

[ArcticJambo]

4 hours ago, Norm said:

It was an eye opener for sure. 

 

Previously, the roughest pub I'd worked in was a place on Balfour Street. Other than that, it was family pubs in Corstorphine or St Andrews.

 

This place was the drinking hole for all the radges that were barred from everywhere else. 

 

In Govanhill. 

 

It was certainly an experience. 

Who owned/ran it (the Balfour?), Norm was it a guy called Archer?

[Paddy Crossan]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Almost all of it due to the tactical switch from Tory to Labour. The pro Indy side will recover all these tactical losses and more when the Green list seats are added.

I am shaking my head cat your ridiculous comment. 

[Shanks said no]

9 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Maybe.

It's only the sixth time we have voted with this system, and it is such a different way of doing it.

 

The percentage of constituency and list votes might be important for the SNP, and maybe SNP supporters wanted to make sure they had that and also just only wanted to vote for them. 

 

 

You are right its difficult to calculate but the change in the vote from the first ballot show just how much tactical voting took place to keep LD safe. The SNP vote didn't shift across to say Green

[Pasquale for King]

My workmate was standing for the Communist party. 

[Pasquale for King]

Quite a lot of tactical voting going on, mostly down to the question of Independence. Only a matter of time now. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Almost all of it due to the tactical switch from Tory to Labour. The pro Indy side will recover all these tactical losses and more when the Green list seats are added.

43% of Green voters don't support Scexit. Hard to argue a mandate. Great to see the SNP fall short of a majority yet again

[dobmisterdobster]

There isn't going to be a referendum anytime soon due to the pandemic.

[JimmyCant]

1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

43% of Green voters don't support Scexit. Hard to argue a mandate. Great to see the SNP fall short of a majority yet again

They are standing on an independence ticket. If you vote for them that’s among the big things you are voting for. It’s a clear mandate for a referendum Couldn’t be clearer. It doesn’t of course mean they will all vote YES, but they won’t all have to. Plenty Indy supporters amongst the Labour electorate too.

[Ainsley Harriott]

34 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

My workmate was standing for the Communist party. 

Do you work in china?

[Konrad von Carstein]

4 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

They are standing on an independence ticket. If you vote for them that’s among the big things you are voting for. It’s a clear mandate for a referendum Couldn’t be clearer. It doesn’t of course mean they will all vote YES, but they won’t all have to. Plenty Indy supporters amongst the Labour electorate too.

 

This is their Achilles Heel...Henry Mcleish nailed it tonight...

[Pasquale for King]

13 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

43% of Green voters don't support Scexit. Hard to argue a mandate. Great to see the SNP fall short of a majority yet again

Where are you getting this info from?

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

 

This is their Achilles Heel...Henry Mcleish nailed it tonight...

He was spot on, apart from thinking that there is any positives to be said on the part of the Union. If there was it would be said already. His words certainly put the BBC presenters gas at a peep. 

[Nucky Thompson]

There is no appetite for another referendum. 

Apart from the division amongst the people, how much will it cost the Scottish tax payer?

[Greedy Jambo]

Were we all supposed to vote for something today?

God damn it, missed it again.

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

They are standing on an independence ticket. If you vote for them that’s among the big things you are voting for. It’s a clear mandate for a referendum Couldn’t be clearer. It doesn’t of course mean they will all vote YES, but they won’t all have to. Plenty Indy supporters amongst the Labour electorate too.

Especially the youth in the Labour Party. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Blaming the voters again. 

Damm voters working out a way to get person they wanted to elect over the line. 

Not illegal and bitter tears of SNP won't bother them. 

Should have provided better proposition to electorate. 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

There is no appetite for another referendum. 

Apart from the division amongst the people, how much will it cost the Scottish tax payer?

Just over 50% of the electorate that voted for Independence parties. How much is Brexit costing or the Tories giving contracts worth billions to their friends and donors? The last one cost £10m.