Covid protocols - ‘Govt money wanted’

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

I certainly am not trying to defend, but to blame two players for the rising R rate in Scotland is ludicrous,

‘Just my opinion

 

Emotions are high. 

 

You lot should have been made to play the game bcd without the Arseholes players infected or isolated. 

 

The fact it wasn't now allows any game to be  "postponed"  due to covid which Is a farce. 

It's a professional league, "elite" sports. 

 

If it's not "elite" then it shouldn't have started in the ****ing first place. 

 

Not Aberdeens fault, was always going to be the first clubs players that caused an issue, but after our vote and the vote not to decide anything in the future, **** me.. You need to clear the decks for a bit. 

 

I like you, you're balanced, but your still an Aberdeen *****, so give it a rest just now. 

 

Any decision by the sfa will be anally raped on here atm. 

 

 

[18Jambo_dave74]

How about taking their European place that they were gifted off them as punishment. We couldn’t finish the season so as not to upset Sky yet these jokers cause a live Sky match to be called off with their selfish and arrogant behaviour. Their club should be absolutely hammered although that would entail the authorities growing a set rather than waiting to be told by the government. 
 

How many games in the Premier League and Championship down south were played over the last few months? These ***** cant get past the second weekend of fixtures.

Edited August 9, 2020 by 18Jambo_dave74

[johnthomas]

5 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

I certainly am not trying to defend, but to blame two players for the rising R rate in Scotland is ludicrous,

‘Just my opinion

Don't disagree with you on that .

Maybe covered already , but what I find incredible is the players apology .

A 'massive error of judgement' ?

This would indicate they had actually thought about what they did .

 

[IveSeenTheLight]

2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Emotions are high. 

 

You lot should have been made to play the game bcd without the Arseholes players infected or isolated. 

 

The fact it wasn't now allows any game to be  "postponed"  due to covid which Is a farce. 

It's a professional league, "elite" sports. 

 

If it's not "elite" then it shouldn't have started in the ****ing first place. 

 

Not Aberdeens fault, was always going to be the first clubs players that caused an issue, but after our vote and the vote not to decide anything in the future, **** me.. You need to clear the decks for a bit. 

 

I like you, you're balanced, but your still an Aberdeen *****, so give it a rest just now. 

 

Any decision by the sfa will be anally raped on here atm. 

 

 

I agree, we should have and would have played the game.

The players were stupid. Rumors are that they were out celebrating Shinnies birthday ( no excuse)

‘Had they just gone for the meal at Amarone, they might have been ok, but it was utmost stupidity to go on to Soul, regardless that the outbreak was unknown at that time..

‘Hugely unfortunate circumstances, but stupid nonetheless and is a stark reminder of how impactful and contagious this virus is.

[smiler]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Well said. I wish that codheid would disappear up his own arse. 

He probably would **** off if folk stopped engaging with him. But they won't, so he's still here. 

Look at the amount of posts he's got now, a flossy fan, on a Hearts forum, it's just weird. 

[Tasavallan]

Question: did the 6 St Mirren employees found to have false positive results go into quarantine?

[manaliveits105]

6 hours ago, johnthomas said:

Don't disagree with you on that .

Maybe covered already , but what I find incredible is the players apology .

A 'massive error of judgement' ?

This would indicate they had actually thought about what they did .

 

Error of Judgement fed to them by Cormack - the man who changes his mind at the drop of a hat 

although I must say I dislike this apology culture we live in where CEOs etc are dragged out to apologise - everybody has to apologise except the media of course 

just do the time to fit the crime ffs 

[Seymour M Hersh]

7 hours ago, smiler said:

He probably would **** off if folk stopped engaging with him. But they won't, so he's still here. 

Look at the amount of posts he's got now, a flossy fan, on a Hearts forum, it's just weird. 

 

Maybe it's a generic membership that the sheep have shared amongst them and not always the same flossie! 

[oi oi]

14 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

Look , Hearts got thrown under a bus so you're dirty little football club could be playing right now, so Scottish football could survive allegedly. Aberdeen should be hammered for the behaviour of your players. Total scum and you're trying to defend it. **** off.

If there is no punishment then what is to stop players of other clubs doing exactly the same?  And the St J match being postponed is a farce.  Had this happened with a European match on the horizon, do you think UEFA would have postponed it?  No chance at all.

[Bull's-eye]

It's just another example of how corrupt the SPFL is, they thought about punishing Aberdeen, course they did, that's how it works.

 

A few phone calls later and a few "Don't worry, we'll look after you in future" chats dotted around and the SPFL are all one big happy family again. No high profile criticism, nothing.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[Riccarton3]

13 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

I agree, we should have and would have played the game.

The players were stupid. Rumors are that they were out celebrating Shinnies birthday ( no excuse)

‘Had they just gone for the meal at Amarone, they might have been ok, but it was utmost stupidity to go on to Soul, regardless that the outbreak was unknown at that time..

‘Hugely unfortunate circumstances, but stupid nonetheless and is a stark reminder of how impactful and contagious this virus is.

But the SG had lost any confidence in your club. The game was never going ahead. 

Health has rightly come before any consideration of sporting integrity. The SG are rightly only concerned in the former. The football authorities, they have a role in the latter. Cue laughter.

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, Riccarton3 said:

But the SG had lost any confidence in your club. The game was never going ahead. 

Health has rightly come before any consideration of sporting integrity. The SG are rightly only concerned in the former. The football authorities, they have a role in the latter. Cue laughter.

‘Have they regained confidence for the Hamilton game?

The problem was not what the club did or prepared for at the ground, indeed they were praised for how they handled the first game v SevCo.

The problem was that the 8 players broke the three household rule and went out unbeknown that there was an outbreak of the virus occurring in the area

[NANOJAMBO]

2 hours ago, oi oi said:

If there is no punishment then what is to stop players of other clubs doing exactly the same?  And the St J match being postponed is a farce.  Had this happened with a European match on the horizon, do you think UEFA would have postponed it?  No chance at all.

I agree with all of this.

The precedent has been set - do what you like , there will be no punishment.

It's absolutely scandalous the club isn't forfeiting the game - and so much for their precious *** king TV deal that couldn't be put in jeopoardy : AFC just drove a coach & horses through that bullshit. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

When do the sheep play in the Europa?  It would be hilarious if the SG banned foreign teams to to their ground as they are still contagious

[IveSeenTheLight]

2 hours ago, oi oi said:

If there is no punishment then what is to stop players of other clubs doing exactly the same? 

I don’t think anyone would go out a deliberately catch COVID-19 to get a game postponed.

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

When do the sheep play in the Europa?  It would be hilarious if the SG banned foreign teams to to their ground as they are still contagious

27th August.

Home tie ( I think) v Barry Town or NSI Runavik

[Riccarton3]

2 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

I don’t think anyone would go out a deliberately catch COVID-19 to get a game postponed.

Is that what the Aberdeen players did?

[GinRummy]

On 09/08/2020 at 13:45, FORTHCLYDE said:

What happens if the league is called again and St. Johnstone are bottom by two points and have game in hand?

It may not be the Aberdeen game but that contrived to give them fixture congestion. 

Would they go down? 

Maybe. Maybe we’d go down again though. 

[Gilberts Fridge]

3 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

I don’t think anyone would go out a deliberately catch COVID-19 to get a game postponed.

 

But they deliberately broke the rules designed to minimise the risk of the virus spreading and affecting the larger population. For that alone they should be punished severely.

 

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, Riccarton3 said:

Is that what the Aberdeen players did?

No, the area was unaware at the time that there was an outbreak, but the previous poster suggested that players could go out and do the same if there was no punishment.’why would they want to do that?

It was an extremely unfortunate collusion events that caught the players out.

As the St Johnstone chief said, “it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee, we’re living in a pandemic and need to adjust accordingly”

Society had become too complacent and this event reminds us all how careful we need to be

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, Gilberts Fridge said:

 

But they deliberately broke the rules designed to minimise the risk of the virus spreading and affecting the larger population. For that alone they should be punished severely.

 

‘I do not doubt that the club will be severely clamping down on this.

we await to see if the SPFL do anything beyond that.

 

There is a meeting at 5pm tonight with all the managers, all the captains and the SG.

Id guess that they will use this as a strict reminder and caution to ensure this does no to happen again / elsewhere.

[Gilberts Fridge]

2 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

It was an extremely unfortunate collusion events that caught the players out.

 

 

The eight players deliberately broke the rules in force at the time. There is nothing unfortunate about it. The rules are clear and if they are not you err on the side of caution. Ignorance is no defence. 

 

What the SPFL do and what they should do is another thing altogether.  

[IveSeenTheLight]

Just now, Gilberts Fridge said:

 

The eight players deliberately broke the rules in force at the time. There is nothing unfortunate about it. The rules are clear and if they are not you err on the side of caution. Ignorance is no defence. 

 

What the SPFL do and what they should do is another thing altogether.  

I’m not arguing against them breaking the household lockdown rule. They are absolutely guilty of this. What was unfortunate was the unknown element of the outbreak in the area. They absolutely should have been more cautious and it was stupidity on their part.

 

 

[Riccarton3]

6 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

No, the area was unaware at the time that there was an outbreak, but the previous poster suggested that players could go out and do the same if there was no punishment.’why would they want to do that?

It was an extremely unfortunate collusion events that caught the players out.

As the St Johnstone chief said, “it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee, we’re living in a pandemic and need to adjust accordingly”

Society had become too complacent and this event reminds us all how careful we need to be

I think the poster was implying  that with no punishment, there is no strengthening of the deterrent. The 'do the same thing' relates to rule breaking, not catching covid.

[IveSeenTheLight]

2 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

I think the poster was implying  that with no punishment, there is no strengthening of the deterrent. The 'do the same thing' relates to rule breaking, not catching covid.

as I mentioned above that is a meeting at 5 o’clock tonight with the Scottish government the league managers and the captains. I fully expect that the expectations are fully laid out and the consequences for any for the breaches are made explicitly clear

Edited August 10, 2020 by IveSeenTheLight

[NANOJAMBO]

Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

as I mentioned above that is a meeting at 5 o’clock tonight with the Scottish government the league managers on the captains. I fully expect that the expectations are fully laid out and the consequences for any for the breaches are made explicitly clear

But the governing body has deliberately omitted to avoid sanctions for this.

It's inconcievable that the SPFL (or SFA) can  simply sit back and say - "right lads, you've all been warned ", it shouldn't need a meeting with the SG.  The other 41 clubs can't be held accountable for AFC.

[Gilberts Fridge]

5 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

I’m not arguing against them breaking the household lockdown rule. They are absolutely guilty of this. What was unfortunate was the unknown element of the outbreak in the area. They absolutely should have been more cautious and it was stupidity on their part.

 

 

 

There is nothing unfortunate about this at all.

 

Whether there was or was not an unknown outbreak in the area is nothing to do with it.

 

Eight Aberdeen players broke the current rules on socialising, putting themselves, their families, their work colleagues and the greater population at an increased risk because they acted as if the current rules did not apply to them. 

 

Given that two players did catch the virus is evidence as to why the rules were there in the first place.  

[Rogue Daddy]

3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

But the governing body has deliberately omitted to avoid sanctions for this.

It's inconcievable that the SPFL (or SFA) can  simply sit back and say - "right lads, you've all been warned ", it shouldn't need a meeting with the SG.  The other 41 clubs can't be held accountable for AFC.

Wonder what would happen if this occurred prior to their Euro game? How would UEFA react to this type of behaviour?.... I wonder if ND's new UEFA position could be utilised to 'sweep, sweep'?

 

*Apologies if this has already been covered...cannae be arsed going back through the thread.

[IveSeenTheLight]

5 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

But the governing body has deliberately omitted to avoid sanctions for this.

It's inconcievable that the SPFL (or SFA) can  simply sit back and say - "right lads, you've all been warned ", it shouldn't need a meeting with the SG.  The other 41 clubs can't be held accountable for AFC.

The other 41 clubs are not being held accountable for Aberdeen. Certainly from the association terms it seems Aberdeen may have gotten a free pass on this occasion.
The meeting will be to clarify no doubt that there will be no free passes given out in the future and that this is a line in the sand that cannot be crossed going forward.

[Ribble]

13 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

as I mentioned above that is a meeting at 5 o’clock tonight with the Scottish government the league managers and the captains. I fully expect that the expectations are fully laid out and the consequences for any for the breaches are made explicitly clear

 

Means not a jot what they say in that meeting though, if Aberdeen are unpunished by the SPFL then other clubs can expect the same leniency to be afforded to them if their players breach the rules 

[Rogue Daddy]

2 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

The other 41 clubs are not being held accountable for Aberdeen. Certainly from the association terms it seems Aberdeen may have gotten a free pass on this occasion.
The meeting will be to clarify no doubt that there will be no free passes given out in the future and that this is a line in the sand that cannot be crossed going forward.

I cannot believe (and I know we're talking about the SPFL/SFA here)… that this scenario hasn't been discussed at some level! I mean, they even created the JRG for this specific purpose. We're in the middle of a pandemic... did they really not foresee something like this and discuss how to react?! I mean WTF! Just when I think incompetence can't sink any lower....

[Pasquale for King]

7 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

I cannot believe (and I know we're talking about the SPFL/SFA here)… that this scenario hasn't been discussed at some level! I mean, they even created the JRG for this specific purpose. We're in the middle of a pandemic... did they really not foresee something like this and discuss how to react?! I mean WTF! Just when I think incompetence can't sink any lower....

Unfortunately it’s all too common that they have not prepared for certain scenarios.

[Pasquale for King]

Looks like it might be late Tuesday before the Hamilton game is given SG approval after analysing all the aspects of the outbreak. 
 

[GinRummy]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Unfortunately it’s all too common that they have not prepared for certain scenarios.

I agree. You’d think with the ridiculous amount of ‘action groups’ they have on the go they’d have their arses covered. 

[NANOJAMBO]

14 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

The other 41 clubs are not being held accountable for Aberdeen. Certainly from the association terms it seems Aberdeen may have gotten a free pass on this occasion.
The meeting will be to clarify no doubt that there will be no free passes given out in the future and that this is a line in the sand that cannot be crossed going forward.

It shouldn't  need a meeting with SG for the Spfl and SFA to sort this shit out. But it does in reality because the SPFL is refusing to punish AFC. 

 

There will continue to be free passes because the SPFL wants the SG to hand out the punishment. 

 

 

[Rogue Daddy]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Looks like it might be late Tuesday before the Hamilton game is given SG approval after analysing all the aspects of the outbreak. 
 

SG!... how embarrassing. So the SPFL/SFA have now become  so apparently 'unfit for purpose' it's down to the SG to run things. 🤣🤣🤣

For years I've defended Scottish Football from those southerners calling us 'Mickey Mouse', Tin-pot, Pub-League, sh*te…. they're spot on. 

[3fingersreid]

the Covid situation , aberdeen should get a huge fine and points deducted , when it comes to the European game I hope it goes ahead and they get ****ing hammered in both legs .

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

1 hour ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

27th August.

Home tie ( I think) v Barry Town or NSI Runavik

Cheers for that, so you should be all clear sadly by then

[SectionDJambo]

22 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

The Teflon rubber faced welt once again not taking on any responsibility by punishing these arseholes.

 

£390k salary for doing the square root of feck all.

Where is he?

Is he going to be at this meeting we’re hearing about?

£400k for doing what exactly? Keeping Celtic happy, and the rest in-line.

[Boof]

34 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

It shouldn't  need a meeting with SG for the Spfl and SFA to sort this shit out. But it does in reality because the SPFL is refusing to punish AFC. 

 

There will continue to be free passes because the SPFL wants the SG to hand out the punishment. 

 

 

 

So that they can't be blamed for the punishment (har di har har - as ****ing if!) if either of the Old Firm transgress in any way.

[milky_26]

12 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

The Scarlet feckin Pimpernel makes more appearances than that burst mattress faced toaly.

i think i've seen lord lucan and robert maxwell more than that coos erse looking buffoon

[1971fozzy]

1 hour ago, Ribble said:

 

Means not a jot what they say in that meeting though, if Aberdeen are unpunished by the SPFL then other clubs can expect the same leniency to be afforded to them if their players breach the rules 

Its the SPFL your talking about mate. They make it up as they go along for whatever suits Celtic* or themselves.  Precedents being set mean fek all

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, 3fingersreid said:

the Covid situation , aberdeen should get a huge fine and points deducted , when it comes to the European game I hope it goes ahead and they get ****ing hammered in both legs .

 

The European competition games are all behind closed doors until the group stage and are single legged ties

[3fingersreid]

14 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

The European competition games are all behind closed doors until the group stage and are single legged ties

Shame that ,I’d have preferred for your shower to get humped twice , suppose once will suffice 

[Gizmo]

19 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

Bloddy hell. LOL. They were not the source

They broke the three household rule, accepted, but they didn’t catch it within that bubble, it was their stupidity to go out into the public where the two caught it.

Im certain they wouldn’t have done so if they were aware of the local outbreak.

This is a stark reminder that the virus is out there and you don’t know if someone has it but is unaware  I.e Asymptomatic, else some te@t decides to go to the pub despite testing positive.

It also shows how social distancing works and as a society, too many have become to lax at taking care.

 

You should have been fined and docked 3 points to set a precedent and send an unequivocal message to the clubs and players. I doubt you'll even get hit by the compliance officer. 

The problem was your players are self-entitled, selfish, ignorant muppets who thought rules were for other people. If the club were praised for handling Covid-19, they sure made a less than stellar effort at instilling the rules and restrictions into their players. 

Hopefully your decimated squad gets relegated after having to send out the kit man up front, 4 academy kids and the janitor in the midfield and a Balwen Ram in goal. 

[Fareastjambo]

2 hours ago, Ribble said:

 

Means not a jot what they say in that meeting though, if Aberdeen are unpunished by the SPFL then other clubs can expect the same leniency to be afforded to them if their players breach the rules 

 

Totally agree.  As far as I am concerned Aberdeen FC should definitely be punished for this to send out a warning to other players/clubs that this behaviour will not be tolerated.  When the players saw the number of people at Soul that night they should have just about-turned if they'd had any sense irrespective of not being aware of a cluster outbreak in the city. 

[Siphiwe Tshabalala]

The word tinpot comes to mind.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

39 minutes ago, Fareastjambo said:

 

Totally agree.  As far as I am concerned Aberdeen FC should definitely be punished for this to send out a warning to other players/clubs that this behaviour will not be tolerated.  When the players saw the number of people at Soul that night they should have just about-turned if they'd had any sense irrespective of not being aware of a cluster outbreak in the city. 

 

 

They can't. All the decision-making comes back to how this would affect the OF. If they fine Aberdeen or dock points, they'd have to fine the OF. That could affect the title race, or might "advantage" one of the OF over the other, and we simply can't have that. 

 

It's why we don't have Strict Liability in Scotland. As we've seen from UEFA's use of that, Celtic and Rangers would get fined every week.

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, Rogue Daddy said:

SG!... how embarrassing. So the SPFL/SFA have now become  so apparently 'unfit for purpose' it's down to the SG to run things. 🤣🤣🤣

For years I've defended Scottish Football from those southerners calling us 'Mickey Mouse', Tin-pot, Pub-League, sh*te…. they're spot on. 

That’s the way it looks. Anymore nonsense like the Aberdeen players night out, Griffiths garden party and thick Hibs ***** pitching up outside away grounds then it will be stopped, new Sky deal or not. 

[Rogue Daddy]

16 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

 

They can't. All the decision-making comes back to how this would affect the OF. If they fine Aberdeen or dock points, they'd have to fine the OF. That could affect the title race, or might "advantage" one of the OF over the other, and we simply can't have that. 

 

It's why we don't have Strict Liability in Scotland. As we've seen from UEFA's use of that, Celtic and Rangers would get fined every week.

Like I mentioned earlier... I wonder what UEFA would have done had it been a Euro tie and not St J?