Kiwidoug Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Raith/Dundee Utd double. We're having a weekend away and I want something big to celebrate prior to us thrashing Livingston. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 5 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: For me it’s them calling themselves ‘professional’… wtf is professional about financially relying on a ground 3/4 full of AWAY fans! If it’s within the rules then crack on… but don’t tell me it’s not unprofessional, tinpot, pathetic, embarrassing, amateurish. No wonder Scottish football gets slagged rotten! You won’t see me defending these ****ing tramps kowtowing to the old firm either. The last thing those pair need is yet another advantage among the many advantages they already have. **** st Mirren, st Johnstone, Motherwell and the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: You won’t see me defending these ****ing tramps kowtowing to the old firm either. The last thing those pair need is yet another advantage among the many advantages they already have. **** st Mirren, st Johnstone, Motherwell and the rest. Yep. It’s also another reason why nothing changes in our game. The uglies just get stronger thanks to these teams. It’s why these tramps never vote against them or want to ‘rock the boat’… desperate for OF pound. Tinpot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 22 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: For me it’s them calling themselves ‘professional’… wtf is professional about financially relying on a ground 3/4 full of AWAY fans! If it’s within the rules then crack on… but don’t tell me it’s not unprofessional, tinpot, pathetic, embarrassing, amateurish. No wonder Scottish football gets slagged rotten! It's called reality, St Johnstone can't magically pull fans out of thin air. It's a good job you're not their Chairman or they would've went bust years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToqueJambo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: It's called reality, St Johnstone can't magically pull fans out of thin air. It's a good job you're not their Chairman or they would've went bust years ago. Then they should accept their situation and cut their cloth accordingly instead of going against what football is supposed to be all about. Edited September 23 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: Then they should accept their situation and cut their cloth accordingly instead of going against what football is supposed to be all about. Excellent post. I knew we’d agree on something eventually 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 4 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: It's called reality, St Johnstone can't magically pull fans out of thin air. It's a good job you're not their Chairman or they would've went bust years ago. Aye, so let’s all sell out to the uglies. Maybe they shouldn’t have such a ‘big’ ground/capacity, maybe they should be semi-professional? As Toque says, maybe they should cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means instead of whoring themselves to the old firm. Devaluing our game further. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 8 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Then they should accept their situation and cut their cloth accordingly instead of going against what football is supposed to be all about. This 100% 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McGlynn The Money Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Hi lads, thanks for all the good wishes tonight. Here's hoping my boys do the business for me. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 34 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Then they should accept their situation and cut their cloth accordingly instead of going against what football is supposed to be all about. They're maximising their income. I take it you're not involved in business? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 31 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Aye, so let’s all sell out to the uglies. Maybe they shouldn’t have such a ‘big’ ground/capacity, maybe they should be semi-professional? As Toque says, maybe they should cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means instead of whoring themselves to the old firm. Devaluing our game further. Their ground is 30 years old and they were getting bigger crowds back then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: They're maximising their income. I take it you're not involved in business? I’ve been involved in business for a long time. Surely one of the first rules is not to rely on just a couple of your customers for survival (in this instance, relying on the old firm). There’s also the very obvious issue of these clubs being in the old firm’s pockets. Out of curiosity, why the determination to defend clubs offering the old firm a further advantage? Do you like Rangers and Celtic running Scottish football? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scott herbertson Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 43 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Aye, so let’s all sell out to the uglies. Maybe they shouldn’t have such a ‘big’ ground/capacity, maybe they should be semi-professional? As Toque says, maybe they should cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means instead of whoring themselves to the old firm. Devaluing our game further. I can see why you are saying this - I hate the thought of the Old Firm's dominance being aided in this way. However if I was St Johnstone fan I would be looking at those trophies they have just won. If they did what you say they could kiss goodbye to ever winning anything like that ever again. It would be noble but self defeating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1971fozzy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 hour ago, GinRummy said: **** that. It should be stamped out. It’s a never ending old firm jerk fest and in effect an extra home game for them. All these shitty little clubs should be ashamed of themselves relying on the old firm for their survival. Sickening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 http://www.hesgoal.com/news/87569/Dundee_United_vs_Hibernian.html Or http://www.hesgoal.com/news/87570/Celtic_vs_Raith_Rovers.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Berra and Zanatta to score 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 15 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: 15 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: I can see why you are saying this - I hate the thought of the Old Firm's dominance being aided in this way. However if I was St Johnstone fan I would be looking at those trophies they have just won. If they did what you say they could kiss goodbye to ever winning anything like that ever again. It would be noble but self defeating Here’s the thing though … as you say they won both cups last season. That was phenomenal for a team outside the OF. If there was ever a reason for their fans to return (and a lot of them did for their European games)… where the feck are they when the uglies come to town!? I struggle to consider these teams ‘professional’ when the RELY on the OF pound. How can a team be viewed as professional when their finances depend on a rival team(s)? It’s one of the reasons the uglies dominate everything ‘Scottish football’… whether the St Js/Livis or whoever, rely on the money or not, they are a part of Scottish footballs problem. They are helping the old firms dominance of our game. Edited September 23 by Rogue Daddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 keeper beaten at that angle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salad Fingers Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Good finish TBF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadj Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Hearts007 said: keeper beaten at that angle Couldnt even tell hibs had scored by the United commentators their tone hasnt changed at any point so far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Just now, sadj said: Couldnt even tell hibs had scored by the United commentators their tone hasnt changed at any point so far 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 40 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I’ve been involved in business for a long time. Surely one of the first rules is not to rely on just a couple of your customers for survival (in this instance, relying on the old firm). There’s also the very obvious issue of these clubs being in the old firm’s pockets. Out of curiosity, why the determination to defend clubs offering the old firm a further advantage? Do you like Rangers and Celtic running Scottish football? I live in the real world. Callum Davidson won two cups last year with players bought from a limited budget. Do you think he would've won those trophies playing in front of three men and a dog when the Old Firm were in town and gate receipts of 30 pence? Like it or not, they put money into St Johnstone's coffers and they maximise it to their benefit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: I live in the real world. Callum Davidson won two cups last year with players bought from a limited budget. Do you think he would've won those trophies playing in front of three men and a dog when the Old Firm were in town and gate receipts of 30 pence? Like it or not, they put money into St Johnstone's coffers and they maximise it to their benefit. I live in the real world as well. There are bad businesses with bad business models in the real world. Businesses who actually cause harm to the industries they are in by their actions. You are isolating st Johnstone in this argument because of their brief success. The long term harm all of these clubs are doing to the game up here in helping the old firm is the real crux of the argument. Not that they used their old firm dough for a bit of short term gain. Again, quite why you, a hearts fan, are so determined to defend them is quite odd. Edited September 23 by GinRummy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Both teams offering very little Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Hobos with some heavy tackles so far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 7 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I live in the real world as well. There are bad businesses with bad business models in the real world. Businesses who actually cause harm to the industries they are in by their actions. You are isolating st Johnstone in this argument because of their brief success. The long term harm all of these clubs are doing to the game up here in helping the old firm is the real crux of the argument. Not that they used their old firm dough for a bit of short term gain. Again, quite why you, a hearts fan, are so determined to defend them is quite odd. And why you are so keen to slate a small club maximising their income is odd too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Just now, Forever Hearts said: And why you are so keen to slate a small club maximising their income is odd too. It’s not though. I’ve explained it really clearly. Clubs maximising the advantage of the old firm is damaging to the game. I don’t think I can make it any clearer but I’m happy to try if you still don’t understand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 wouldnt be surprised if Nisbet ends up with a 2nd yellow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 missed ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horatio Caine Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 When United realise that the aim of the game is to put the ball in their opponents' net we might get a better match Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Utd on top Hobos have been mince Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 another big chance Utd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Hartson is an utter c u next Tuesday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Daddy Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 7 minutes ago, GinRummy said: It’s not though. I’ve explained it really clearly. Clubs maximising the advantage of the old firm is damaging to the game. I don’t think I can make it any clearer but I’m happy to try if you still don’t understand. 😂 wasting your breath mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 unreal never in the game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salad Fingers Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Well that's that then. United all over the place at the back. Hobos are pretty dangerous on the attack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Need a Hibsed it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 FFS them at Hampden again it seems and this time with fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonnothejambo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Without stating the bleeding obvious it's all about taking your chances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salad Fingers Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Just now, Robbies Tackle said: FFS them at Hampden again it seems and this time with fans. Helps when they never seem to draw the OF in the early rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonnothejambo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Robbies Tackle said: FFS them at Hampden again it seems and this time with fans. Let's hope they get St Johnstone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 11 minutes ago, GinRummy said: It’s not though. I’ve explained it really clearly. Clubs maximising the advantage of the old firm is damaging to the game. I don’t think I can make it any clearer but I’m happy to try if you still don’t understand. It appears it's you that doesn't understand. They don’t have the fans to fill their own ground so in order to maximise their limited income they sell tickets to away fans. This allows them to keep their head above water (like many other Scottish clubs) and means they can buy a better standard of player. If you can't grasp that then too bad. It's reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leveins Battalion Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Robbies Tackle said: FFS them at Hampden again it seems and this time with fans. Makes no difference with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leveins Battalion Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Raith giving Celtic more of a game than we did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theshed Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Just now, Salad Fingers said: Helps when they never seem to draw the OF in the early rounds. Probably avoid them both in the semi as well although st. Johnstone are their bogey team Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: Let's hope they get St Johnstone. 2 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Helps when they never seem to draw the OF in the early rounds. Both true. We shouldn't have been playing the OF early either though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leveins Battalion Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 This has never been a 2-0 game,Hibs have been woefull but took their chances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said: Makes no difference with them. Financially it does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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