Hearts transfers (Cochrane goes on loan to Montrose)

[Pasquale for King]

32 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

 

I think he really needs to make the move to defensive midfield, he is clearly highly rated as a footballer, but in the snippets of pre-season I have seen, he looks miniscule for a centre back... Halkett isn't the biggest of centre halves but towers above Hamilton.

Don’t say that you will get hammered, I did anyway. I think he will end up as a LB/RB or as you say a DM. He didn’t do too well in the games he played, he’s obviously talented enough to be a player. 

[scottg71]

45 minutes ago, Gorillajam said:

Rumour is Scott Allan has been forced to retire early due to a heart condition. He might play for the hobos but its a shame if true. He's a decent player on his day.

I've heard that as well. He was going for checks with a specialist in London.

[jambocub]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

As I said when they’re fit they will play ahead of Irving, which won’t hopefully stunt his growth. Halliday is a world beater, surely not having trained or kicked a ball in 6 months will stop him 💪🏿😆. 

Who said he's a world beater?

 

Competition for places is what's needed . 

[Cruyff]

1 hour ago, Gorillajam said:

Rumour is Scott Allan has been forced to retire early due to a heart condition. He might play for the hobos but its a shame if true. He's a decent player on his day.

That is a shame. 

[john thomas]

25 minutes ago, scottg71 said:

I've heard that as well. He was going for checks with a specialist in London.

Not heading to tannadice ?

[Cruyff]

1 hour ago, jamboinglasgow said:

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/hamiltons-dumbarton-loan

 

Confirmation from Hearts that Hamilton has moved to Dumbarton but also says Sean Ward has moved to Gala Fairydean Rovers on a season long loan

None of these laddies are going to make it if they are being pie'd off to the East of Scotland Leagues or the Juniors. 

 

Only Hickey and Irving have been near looking like first team regulars. 

 

The Academy doesn't look promising. No Ajax style conveyor belt of talent coming through any time soon by the look of things. 

[jamboinglasgow]

4 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

None of these laddies are going to make it if they are being pie'd off to the East of Scotland Leagues or the Juniors. 

 

Only Hickey and Irving have been near looking like first team regulars. 

 

The Academy doesn't look promising. No Ajax style conveyor belt of talent coming through any time soon by the look of things. 

 

Sean is 18 years old. Yes he is going to play 5th tier football in Scotland but I wouldn't write a player off because of that. Its all about game time and players develop at different times.

[StirlingJambo]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

Some thought he was close to playing for the first team, considering how stretched we are at CH it shows how far he is away from doing that. 

I think he is pretty close, however this season isn’t the season for throwing him straight into team. Chris is at that age he needs to be playing every week not getting the odd game here and there which I think would be the case this season. Correct decision to send him out on another loan.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, Cruyff said:

None of these laddies are going to make it if they are being pie'd off to the East of Scotland Leagues or the Juniors. 

 

Only Hickey and Irving have been near looking like first team regulars. 

 

The Academy doesn't look promising. No Ajax style conveyor belt of talent coming through any time soon by the look of things. 

I don’t see other teams in Scotland selling 18 year olds to the Serie A. If we can bring through one or two a season to establish themselves that’s decent. Irving and one other hopefully this season. Walker, Brandon and Gordon are home grown players too

 

 I think I read Ajax have that as the expectation.

 

We’ve done that in recent seasons and some youngsters like cochrane, brandon, macdonald and morrison have had issues with injuries, not to mention being thrown into an underperforming team.

[Gorgie Boot boy]

9 hours ago, Beast Boy said:

Any virtue in this rumour? If so then surely it’s cheerio baby.

No idea mate,  i reckon this will change in the new year.

[Gorgie Boot boy]

5 hours ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

How are they managing to sniff him all the way from Italy?

Same as everyone else, like we sniffed Popescu 

[Cruyff]

5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

I don’t see other teams in Scotland selling 18 year olds to the Serie A. If we can bring through one or two a season to establish themselves that’s decent. Irving and one other hopefully this season. Walker, Brandon and Gordon are home grown players too

 

 I think I read Ajax have that as the expectation.

 

We’ve done that in recent seasons and some youngsters like cochrane, brandon, macdonald and morrison have had issues with injuries, not to mention being thrown into an underperforming team.

Quite a few laddies have gone for big money South. 

If our Academy isn't producing the level of quality required for the first team, then it is a failure and so far, it is exactly that. 

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, jambocub said:

Who said he's a world beater?

 

Competition for places is what's needed . 

A lot of folk on here seem to think he’s wonderful. We now have 30 players so we have competition, some of the youngsters are going on loan as they won’t play. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, StirlingJambo said:

I think he is pretty close, however this season isn’t the season for throwing him straight into team. Chris is at that age he needs to be playing every week not getting the odd game here and there which I think would be the case this season. Correct decision to send him out on another loan.

It is the right decision to send him on another loan, I'm not sure if he’ll ever be ready to play at CH for us. If this isn’t the season when is? No doubt he will get a few games once the league is wrapped up. 

[Gordon Ramsay]

33 minutes ago, Gorgie Boot boy said:

Same as everyone else, like we sniffed Popescu 

 

Sniff the continent, see what's out there. 

[jambocub]

20 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

A lot of folk on here seem to think he’s wonderful. We now have 30 players so we have competition, some of the youngsters are going on loan as they won’t play. 

Way I see it if they can't get in the team then it's up to them to go out on loan and prove that they can do a job . 

 

Or do it in training 

 

Hickey being the perfect example of if you're given a chance then take it

 

[Gorgie Boot boy]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

As I said when they’re fit they will play ahead of Irving, which won’t hopefully stunt his growth. Halliday is a world beater, surely not having trained or kicked a ball in 6 months will stop him 💪🏿😆. 

Andy Irving is in on his own merit, he will play most games unless he losses form or is injured. 

I meant to ask you something .

Why are you so against Halliday signing for Hearts. you have been biting on it for the last 2 weeks.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Gorgie Boot boy

[Pasquale for King]

15 minutes ago, Gorgie Boot boy said:

Andy Irving is in on his own merit, he will play most games unless he losses form or is injured. 

I meant to ask you something .

Why are you so against Halliday signing for Hearts. you have been biting on it for the last 2 weeks.

 

 

I hope you’re right about Irving, I think Halliday plays the same position but doesn’t have his vision. Probably longer than two werks.
Just don’t rate him as a player for a start. The baggage that comes with a Rangers fan, just look at the nature of the comments on the clubs social media, bugs me. Budge has tried to rid the club of people who can’t behave themselves, that sing songs that we’ve all sang but are from a bygone era. No doubt there will be some ditty like the flute song for Halliday. Strangely enough our Northern Irish connections from Coach, players and tours has grown further pandering to a certain section of our support, whilst the rest of us get more alienated by decisions that the club doesn’t see the problems with. We now have two former Gers on our coaching staff, and 6 former players I think. I don’t think we will ever challenge the uglies if we have  folk that look up to them, I realise the last time we did Macdonald and Jardine were in charge, but the idolisation of them in Scottish Football is much worse now. 
Having watched Hallidays interview now he seems happy to have signed, and willing to play anywhere the manager wants him too. He came over really well and will get my support. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Pasquale for King]

26 minutes ago, jambocub said:

Way I see it if they can't get in the team then it's up to them to go out on loan and prove that they can do a job . 

 

Or do it in training 

 

Hickey being the perfect example of if you're given a chance then take it

 

If you get the chance, Irving will but none of the other youngsters are likely too until the league is won, not with such a big squad. 

[Gorgie Boot boy]

4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I hope you’re right about Irving, I think Halliday plays the same position but doesn’t have his vision. Probably longer than two werks.
Just don’t rate him as a player for a start. The baggage that comes with a Rangers fan, just look at the nature of the comments on the clubs social media, bugs me. Budge has tried to rid the club of people who can’t behave themselves, that sing songs that we’ve all sang but are from a bygone era. No doubt there will be some ditty like the flute song for Halliday. Strangely enough our Northern Irish connections from Coach, players and tours has grown further pandering to a certain section of our support, whilst the rest of us get more alienated by decisions that the club doesn’t see the problems with. We now have two former Gers on our coaching staff, and 6 former players I think. I don’t think we will ever challenge the uglies if we have  folk that look up to them, I realise the last time we did Macdonald and Jardine were in charge, but the idolisation of them in Scottish Football is much worse now. 
Having watched Hallidays interview now he seems happy to have signed, and willing to play anywhere the manager wants him too. He came over really well and will get my support. 

None of that has anything to do with this new chapter in Andy's football career. The plus side is that he will be playing in empty stadia. By the time we are allowed back into Tynie, Andy will be down the road on his Hearts status. I understand the image created through social media. Most of that is because the guy is a Rangers man. What do you want us to do, sign Hearts men. That era passed by a long time ago. It is up to you how you feel, please do not rubbish the guy until he has played for us. He has an uncle Gary Halliday that will talk with him about that stuff. I am sure Andy knows what the score is and may even find it a bit embarrassing to be connected to internet hawks.

[jambocub]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

If you get the chance, Irving will but none of the other youngsters are likely too until the league is won, not with such a big squad. 

Who do you have in mind that should get the chance ?

 

[Big Slim Stylee]

21 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Oh ffs. 
 

Nice and slow and spaced out for you. 
 

When I said he’s 28 I was obviously talking about Halliday not Irving. 
 

I inferred Irving will be a better player at 28 than Halliday is.

 

I hope that Irving when he’s 28 wont be dropping down a division in his prime. 
 

At no point did I say signing for Hearts was shite. 
 

Halliday said he wanted to go back down South or to the MLS, noboduy wanted him. 

Halliday is shite, a hard worker who is well suited to the Championship. 
I’m 

Neilson will have to justify Hallidays wages so will play him ahead of Irving, stunting the growth of someone who will hopefully become too good to play for us have a sell on value. 
 

Hope that’s clear enough Tosh. 

I’m failing to see your problem here. Our  first priority is to get out this league at the first attempt. He’s not ****ng Xavi but he’s more than good enough for this league with a shite load of experience. 
 

Im sorry if Irving has to wait a bit but I really don’t care, tbh.

[PTBCAL]

We need Haring fit for the semi - Hibs are miles ahead of us in terms of being ready. Absolute miles 

 

Our 1st 11 with Haring can match them but we will be miles behind in preparation and match readiness. Sadly 

[Pasquale for King]

35 minutes ago, Gorgie Boot boy said:

None of that has anything to do with this new chapter in Andy's football career. The plus side is that he will be playing in empty stadia. By the time we are allowed back into Tynie, Andy will be down the road on his Hearts status. I understand the image created through social media. Most of that is because the guy is a Rangers man. What do you want us to do, sign Hearts men. That era passed by a long time ago. It is up to you how you feel, please do not rubbish the guy until he has played for us. He has an uncle Gary Halliday that will talk with him about that stuff. I am sure Andy knows what the score is and may even find it a bit embarrassing to be connected to internet hawks.

I’m allowed my opinion on his abilities, and I’ve said enough on it. Hopefully moving forward we can get away from all the sectarian stuff, it’s 2020 after all.

[Pasquale for King]

28 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said:

I’m failing to see your problem here. Our  first priority is to get out this league at the first attempt. He’s not ****ng Xavi but he’s more than good enough for this league with a shite load of experience. 
 

Im sorry if Irving has to wait a bit but I really don’t care, tbh.

Yes and what we had before he signed was good enough to get us out this league. This year is crucial for Irving and his development, I think he’s got the ability to go far and make us a fortune, we’ve not had many midfielders with vision recently, and I hope he’s not stunted that’s all.

[Ari Gold]

I think Lee and Irving will be seen as the ball players, Haring and Halliday will be the ball winners. Good mix.

 

Some games will need 2 ball players, others one of each and there may even be games where 2 ball winners are needed. Hopefully not too often though. 

 

Last few years I dont think we've had much variety in the centre of the park. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Ari Gold

[Pasquale for King]

36 minutes ago, jambocub said:

Who do you have in mind that should get the chance ?

 

Irving for a start, we won’t know if any of the others are good enough if they don’t get a chance. I was hoping we would go with less experienced pros and more youngsters at this time, we will walk the league regardless. If they’re not up to it then that’s another conversation. 

[Boris]

12 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

We need Haring fit for the semi - Hibs are miles ahead of us in terms of being ready. Absolute miles 

 

Our 1st 11 with Haring can match them but we will be miles behind in preparation and match readiness. Sadly 

I'm glad you're Hibsing your Ernies over this. Usually means we get a result! 😋

[PTBCAL]

19 minutes ago, Boris said:

I'm glad you're Hibsing your Ernies over this. Usually means we get a result! 😋

True though Boris 

 

We are way off being physically and mentally ready in terms of touch, fitness and playing competitively etc 

 

Im not a Neilson fan and won’t hide that but he better have them fired up big style 

[jr ewing]

29 minutes ago, Barack said:

Wonder who Cochrane & MacDonald will be loaned out to. 

 

Writing appears to be on the wall, especially now Lee's staying, Haring getting fitter & Halliday signed. Which is a shame, if Harry especially, doesn't fulfil his potential. We might just have built him up too fast.

 

 

Craig had pinned his hopes  on him breaking into the team. Shame really. 

[WASTREL]

6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Some thought he was close to playing for the first team, considering how stretched we are at CH it shows how far he is away from doing that. 

I see his details say his height is 6ft (surely not) ... I have heard of being 6ft and jumping 5ft 8" for corners but never being 6ft and looking like 5ft 8"" as you run out to play.  

[jambocub]

33 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Irving for a start, we won’t know if any of the others are good enough if they don’t get a chance. I was hoping we would go with less experienced pros and more youngsters at this time, we will walk the league regardless. If they’re not up to it then that’s another conversation. 

If they're not up to it we'll not walk the league with them in the team ..

I've watched  a few of the young ones in training with the 1st team  and they get a chance to prove themselves.

 

Barring that I'm no sure what more opportunities could be given to them 

 

The transfer window closes next week and the games come thick and fast 

 

Plenty opportunity for player's to impress

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Disco Ball said:

I see his details say his height is 6ft (surely not) ... I have heard of being 6ft and jumping 5ft 8" for corners but never being 6ft and looking like 5ft 8"" as you run out to play.  

He’s 5’8”,and wasn’t great in the friendlies he played. 

[Finlay James]

2 hours ago, Cruyff said:

Quite a few laddies have gone for big money South. 

If our Academy isn't producing the level of quality required for the first team, then it is a failure and so far, it is exactly that. 

 

That's an extremely black and white view to have whereas youth development is not as simple or an exact science.  You're right that it's not consistently reeling out future stars just yet but believe me, if you go along and watch the coaching and youth teams, you will see the work being done will pay dividends

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, jambocub said:

If they're not up to it we'll not walk the league with them in the team ..

I've watched  a few of the young ones in training with the 1st team  and they get a chance to prove themselves.

 

Barring that I'm no sure what more opportunities could be given to them 

 

The transfer window closes next week and the games come thick and fast 

 

Plenty opportunity for player's to impress

 

 

 

We’re only playing 27 games, with 23 experienced pros. Hopefully once the league is won some will get a wee run of games. 

[Bazzas right boot]

39 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yes and what we had before he signed was good enough to get us out this league. This year is crucial for Irving and his development, I think he’s got the ability to go far and make us a fortune, we’ve not had many midfielders with vision recently, and I hope he’s not stunted that’s all.

 

If he's got the ability to go far he'll play. 

 

The progress of 1 youngster isn't priority, getting the team moving forward is. 

 

If Halliday is better he plays, if Irvine is better he'll play. 

 

IMO Irving is nothing more than a decent young player , he could be ok for us, he could push on and get a big move, he could also end up at a shittier team than Hearts and be a journeynan type. 

Nobody knows.

What I do know ( and most others) and Robbie knows is that Halliday has played for Rangers and played in the championship and will improve us.

 

 

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, Finlay James said:

 

That's an extremely black and white view to have whereas youth development is not as simple or an exact science.  You're right that it's not consistently reeling out future stars just yet but believe me, if you go along and watch the coaching and youth teams, you will see the work being done will pay dividends

 

I agree with this. Having watched Hearts for ages, the one thing that stands out at the moment is the composure and maturity of the youngsters when they get their chance. Hickey, Cochrane, Irving and Connor Smith in particular ( was hoping Smith wouldn't be loaned out this season) are the most recent and best examples.

 

They don't look phased at all and often show a lot more composure than much more experienced players. If this is a feature of the work being done in our academy I think that's a huge plus point. Hickey is getting praise in Italy as much for his personality, composure and approach as his technical ability. Obviously there are lots of things that can happen after a 16 year old gets in the team in terms of their physical, or lack of, development and any off field issues, maintaining confidence and so on.

 

The signs are good though with this 4 in particular that we're doing a lot of things right. I have always been quite proud that we seem to churn out good characters, unlike our neighbours.

Edited September 29, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Guest ToqueJambo]

dp

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[jamboinglasgow]

6 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I agree with this. Having watched Hearts for ages, the one thing that stands out at the moment is the composure and maturity of the youngsters when they get their chance. Hickey, Cochrane, Irving and Connor Smith in particular ( was hoping Smith wouldn't be loaned out this season) are the most recent and best examples.

 

They don't look phased at all and often show a lot more composure than much more experienced players. If this is a feature of the work being done in our academy I think that's a huge plus point. Hickey is getting praise in Italy as much for his personality, composure and approach as his technical ability. Obviously there are lots of things that can happen after a 16 year old gets in the team in terms of their physical, or lack of, development and any off field issues, maintaining confidence and so on.

 

The signs are good though with this 4 in particular that we're doing a lot of things right. I have always been quite proud that we seem to churn out good characters, unlike our neighbours.

 

Cochrane in his first season was in the team on merit (same with McDonald.) Its clear though he hasn't developed as we would like. As you say, taking Cochrane as an example, he showed at 16 he had both the technical ability and the intelligence that was above what we had produced before. So its clear something has gone wrong with how we have developed him since. So its crucial we figure out how to bring these players through properly and develop them. As you say it might not be just down to the club that things work out.

 

I do think Ann's words a few weeks back about getting the process from Academy graduate to first team working, interesting and if we get that right then academy can work well for us.

[cookieboy]

14 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

dp

 

[JamboAl]

18 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I agree with this. Having watched Hearts for ages, the one thing that stands out at the moment is the composure and maturity of the youngsters when they get their chance. Hickey, Cochrane, Irving and Connor Smith in particular ( was hoping Smith wouldn't be loaned out this season) are the most recent and best examples.

 

They don't look phased at all and often show a lot more composure than much more experienced players. If this is a feature of the work being done in our academy I think that's a huge plus point. Hickey is getting praise in Italy as much for his personality, composure and approach as his technical ability. Obviously there are lots of things that can happen after a 16 year old gets in the team in terms of their physical, or lack of, development and any off field issues, maintaining confidence and so on.

 

The signs are good though with this 4 in particular that we're doing a lot of things right. I have always been quite proud that we seem to churn out good characters, unlike our neighbours.

People ITK also talk highly of Harry Stone.  But for injury, he almost certainly would have featured in pre season games.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

If he's got the ability to go far he'll play. 

 

The progress of 1 youngster isn't priority, getting the team moving forward is. 

 

If Halliday is better he plays, if Irvine is better he'll play. 

 

IMO Irving is nothing more than a decent young player , he could be ok for us, he could push on and get a big move, he could also end up at a shittier team than Hearts and be a journeynan type. 

Nobody knows.

What I do know ( and most others) and Robbie knows is that Halliday has played for Rangers and played in the championship and will improve us.

 

 

 

 

Wow he’s played for Rangers and in the Championship hahahahaha big ****ing deal. I never thought you had any idea on how to judge a player and your failure to see that Irving has fantastic vision, and can play the pass too, is a rarity for a Scottish player. The boy has a big future ahead of him, if unlike a lot of the youngsters we’ve produced recently he’s coached well and given the chance. 

[maroonlegions]

https://heartstv.heartsfc.co.uk/video/2631

[kingantti1874]

Signing of the summer imo.. strengthens an area where we are absolutely pony if Haring not fit.. bring the right attitude, winner, will demand effort from those around him and versatile. 
 

EXACTLY the sort of player we have sorely lacked since Ian Black left.
 

Sick of watching a team of nice guys and pussies .

[Pans Jambo]

5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Signing of the summer imo.. strengthens an area where we are absolutely pony if Haring not fit.. bring the right attitude, winner, will demand effort from those around him and versatile. 
 

EXACTLY the sort of player we have sorely lacked since Ian Black left.
 

Sick of watching a team of nice guys and pussies .

I fully endorse this post.

[maroondevo52]

12 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Signing of the summer imo.. strengthens an area where we are absolutely pony if Haring not fit.. bring the right attitude, winner, will demand effort from those around him and versatile. 
 

EXACTLY the sort of player we have sorely lacked since Ian Black left.
 

Sick of watching a team of nice guys and pussies .

Agreed, long overdue.

[Phil D. Corners]

21 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Signing of the summer imo.. strengthens an area where we are absolutely pony if Haring not fit.. bring the right attitude, winner, will demand effort from those around him and versatile. 
 

EXACTLY the sort of player we have sorely lacked since Ian Black left.
 

Sick of watching a team of nice guys and pussies .

agreed...

 

 

but I think something similar every preseason.

[Dia Liom]

Feels like there some folk were dead against signing Halliday - maybe they thought it was unrealistic, who knows - and now that it's happened they have dug themselves a massive hole and feel obliged to continue to moan.  Time will tell if he's a good signing or not. 

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Dia Liom said:

Feels like there some folk were dead against signing Halliday - maybe they thought it was unrealistic, who knows - and now that it's happened they have dug themselves a massive hole and feel obliged to continue to moan.  Time will tell if he's a good signing or not. 

Just thought he’s not that great, happy to be proved wrong. 

[Dia Liom]

12 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Just thought he’s not that great, happy to be proved wrong. 

 

👍 

 

Can't say I've watched him with much interest in the past.  On the face of it he's a higher calibre than most of our other signings this summer.

 

Hope Irving gets plenty of game time too, as long as he's working hard - really like the look of him.