Hearts transfers (Cochrane goes on loan to Montrose)

[GinRummy]

1 hour ago, BackOfTheNet said:

I’m old enough to remember when we were told this week we’d have 2 in and 2 out. 🙁

😀 gonna be a huge Sunday. 

[TheBigO]

I'd be happy enough if we sign a couple of defenders and go with that. Obvs great to see lots of new players etc but I'd love to see lots of game time for kids this year and with Gordon, Berra, Halkett, Smith, Lee, Walker, Naismith, Boyce, I think we're able to do that. Haring too. Who knows on Damour, White and Garuccio.

 

Obvs some on that list are a bit injuryish! But still. I'd hope we maybe only sign players in positions we reckon we don't have a kid to cover. We're light at CH, I'd argue we're OK elsewhere. Maybe CF but we have options there too.

 

For example, in CM, I'd happily go with Irving, Cochrane, Lee, Haring with C Smith, Walker and Naismith all possible cover. M Smith also, with Brandon at RB. And that's no mention of Loic. Yeah be nice to have another DM but no disaster if not

[Italian Lambretta]

9 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said:

Surprised there has not been more word from ITK or press about who we will sign next. Gone quiet.

Neilson has been to busy organising assistannce for other clubs to worry about what we need for the coming season

[ramrod]

We've still got a lot of sick notes at the club who will no doubt be on the physio bench within weeks of the season starting . 

For that reason we need to bulk up in certain areas and not with guys like  Kingsley  who's injury record is up there with Naismiths and Souttar . 

[GinRummy]

10 minutes ago, ramrod said:

We've still got a lot of sick notes at the club who will no doubt be on the physio bench within weeks of the season starting . 

For that reason we need to bulk up in certain areas and not with guys like  Kingsley  who's injury record is up there with Naismiths and Souttar . 

Out of interest, where do you see the most pressing need for bulking up? Centre backs? Striker?

[RustyRightPeg]

Let to believe we have 2 targets close,  a CB who can cover as a LB and another midfielder. 

 

Once the Hickey money clears should be good to go.

[EH11]

46 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

Neilson has been to busy organising assistannce for other clubs to worry about what we need for the coming season

'Hi Robbie, Jim here, looking to organise a keeper on emergency loan'? 

'Aye, the games would be good for Bobby, we can do that'. 

 

30 second conversation. 

 

[RustyRightPeg]

Just now, EH11 said:

'Hi Robbie, Jim here, looking to organise a keeper on emergency loan'? 

'Aye, the games would be good for Bobby, we can do that'. 

 

30 second conversation. 

 

 

This. 

 

A tad dramatic all this.

[stuart500]

39 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Let to believe we have 2 targets close,  a CB who can cover as a LB and another midfielder. 

 

Once the Hickey money clears should be good to go.

Rossi and Halliday would do nicely. (Not ITK ☺)

[karipidis]

27 minutes ago, EH11 said:

'Hi Robbie, Jim here, looking to organise a keeper on emergency loan'? 

'Aye, the games would be good for Bobby, we can do that'. 

 

30 second conversation. 

 

When put like that it does seem a bit of an overreaction. 
 

I can understand some of the frustration towards  Budge and the board but not sure how Robbie can take any blame for making a wise footballing decision.

[Saint Jambo]

10 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said:

Surprised there has not been more word from ITK or press about who we will sign next. Gone quiet.

 

I wonder if we have reached a stage in the transfer window where players we might have initially been interested in have gone elsewhere. As a result we might wait now until towards the end of the window when teams decide what they want to do about loans. Equally towards the end of the window some free agents who might not have considered the Scottish Championship at the beginning of the window might reassess their options deciding they just need somewhere to play this season.

 

On the one hand that might give us access to better players. On the other it gives us less pre-season with those players which I know will frustrate supporters. Given that the general view seems to be that we need more depth in the squad to deal with injuries rather than having big gaps in the starting XI then perhaps bringing players in late is less of an issue. The one exception to this might be central defence where we are clearly going to have injury issues at the start of the season.

[wavydavy]

4 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

I wonder if we have reached a stage in the transfer window where players we might have initially been interested in have gone elsewhere. As a result we might wait now until towards the end of the window when teams decide what they want to do about loans. Equally towards the end of the window some free agents who might not have considered the Scottish Championship at the beginning of the window might reassess their options deciding they just need somewhere to play this season.

 

On the one hand that might give us access to better players. On the other it gives us less pre-season with those players which I know will frustrate supporters. Given that the general view seems to be that we need more depth in the squad to deal with injuries rather than having big gaps in the starting XI then perhaps bringing players in late is less of an issue. The one exception to this might be central defence where we are clearly going to have injury issues at the start of the season.

 

That strategy can be a bit risky and we could end up with nobody or a panick signing which we have had too many of in the last few years.

 

I would hope that we have a few players lined up especially a CB as we are very short in that department. I don't want us to be in a situation where we are playing guys like Smith or Haring as a CB. Much rather have a proper specialist CB  come in.

[Saint Jambo]

25 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

That strategy can be a bit risky and we could end up with nobody or a panick signing which we have had too many of in the last few years.

 

I would hope that we have a few players lined up especially a CB as we are very short in that department. I don't want us to be in a situation where we are playing guys like Smith or Haring as a CB. Much rather have a proper specialist CB  come in.

 

I know this is a common view. Less clear how true it is. I looked at the summer windows in the last 4 seasons, which I think we can all agree have not been great so would expect them to be weighted towards poor transfers. I looked at players signed during August.

 

2015-16: None

2016-17: Jon McLaughling, David Milinkovic

2017-18: Jimmy Dunne

2018-19: Joel Pereira, Glenn Whelan, Ryo Meshino

(Based on siging dates in LondonHearts.com)

 

I think this shows a few things. Contrary to popular belief we aren't a club that does lots of last minute business. The signings made in August do seem to match the strategy of free agents and loan deals that we might not have been able to secure earlier in the window. Last season this strategy didn't work well. Did anything work well last year? Even then they were signings that you can see fitting the strategy and all significantly underperformed expectations rather than at the time looking like desperation signings because we left things too late. In the previous two seasons our signings through this method were amongst our best players those seasons.

 

I'm not suggesting this should be the only strategy the club uses but I don't think it is the awful strategy that many seem to believe, leaving us scrambling around for players last minute and just signing any dross we can.

 

Edit: Sorry, meant to say I agree about centre back. As I said in my earlier post that feels like a position that might be an exception. Injuries have already clearly left us short in that area and starting the season with only one fit first team centre back doesn't look like a great move.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Saint Jambo

[wavydavy]

50 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

I know this is a common view. Less clear how true it is. I looked at the summer windows in the last 4 seasons, which I think we can all agree have not been great so would expect them to be weighted towards poor transfers. I looked at players signed during August.

 

2015-16: None

2016-17: Jon McLaughling, David Milinkovic

2017-18: Jimmy Dunne

2018-19: Joel Pereira, Glenn Whelan, Ryo Meshino

(Based on siging dates in LondonHearts.com)

 

I think this shows a few things. Contrary to popular belief we aren't a club that does lots of last minute business. The signings made in August do seem to match the strategy of free agents and loan deals that we might not have been able to secure earlier in the window. Last season this strategy didn't work well. Did anything work well last year? Even then they were signings that you can see fitting the strategy and all significantly underperformed expectations rather than at the time looking like desperation signings because we left things too late. In the previous two seasons our signings through this method were amongst our best players those seasons.

 

I'm not suggesting this should be the only strategy the club uses but I don't think it is the awful strategy that many seem to believe, leaving us scrambling around for players last minute and just signing any dross we can.

 

Edit: Sorry, meant to say I agree about centre back. As I said in my earlier post that feels like a position that might be an exception. Injuries have already clearly left us short in that area and starting the season with only one fit first team centre back doesn't look like a great move.

 

Not disputing any of your researched info just making the point that I would much rather we just go into the market asap for a decent CB.

 

I am sure there are a number of players that would be happy to sign for Hearts.

Edited September 13, 2020 by wavydavy

[OTT]

On 11/09/2020 at 22:33, Rick Sanchez said:

 

We need another central midfielder and also cover at left back...could be ideal. It would allow us to focus on a couple of centre backs without the requirement to fill in at left back. 

 

I'm sure he's reliable injury wise aswell and would probably provide a 6 or 7/10 consistently.

 

Its incredible people trying to say that Halliday would be anything other than a great signing.  

 

The laddie is a grafter. Get Damour to **** and get him in. Reckon Halliday would be very much like Mikey Smith in terms of consistency and would make competition for CM much more competitive than it currently is (lets not forget his versatility too). Tried and tested in Scottish football and mentally strong enough to cope with the demands from the stands about winning every week. 

 

Its a no brainer. 

[HMFC01]

Norwood starting second half for Ipswich at the moment. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

27 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

Norwood starting second half for Ipswich at the moment. 

Norwood ain’t gonna come and play in our farmers league 

[HMFC01]

2 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Norwood ain’t gonna come and play in our farmers league 

He looks like a Washington type striker, but looks better.  I get his wages are too high to match.   

[BackOfTheNet]

4 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Let to believe we have 2 targets close,  a CB who can cover as a LB and another midfielder. 

 

Once the Hickey money clears should be good to go.

Interesting. Hoping this has more of a chance of coming to fruition than the 2 in, 2 out someone said last week.

[Gmcjambo]

14 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Interesting. Hoping this has more of a chance of coming to fruition than the 2 in, 2 out someone said last week.

Or the 'Dunne deal' being announced last Monday 🙄

 

[BackOfTheNet]

Just now, Gmcjambo said:

Or the 'Dunne deal' being announced last Monday 🙄

 

Almost forgot about that one. Didn’t take that one seriously to be fair.

[ramrod]

4 hours ago, GinRummy said:

Out of interest, where do you see the most pressing need for bulking up? Centre backs? Striker?

Yep both those positions with , Berra , Halkett , Boyce and Naismith inind . 

[RustyRightPeg]

17 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Interesting. Hoping this has more of a chance of coming to fruition than the 2 in, 2 out someone said last week.

 

This is also true. The Hickey funds will just help us get them in sooner as they have alternatives.

 

I believe there are a couple of our players with offers, ball is in their court as to whether they go or not. Issue is, the ludicrous contracts they were given aren't being matched (unsurprisingly) so it's very much 50/50.

[Drumjambo]

18 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

He got that last year. 

 

To be fair wi the help of Colum and yet another dodgy penalty. I don't know why they can't take him in to Europe wi them - Might win a CL game then ??? 

[Rick Sanchez]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Its incredible people trying to say that Halliday would be anything other than a great signing.  

 

The laddie is a grafter. Get Damour to **** and get him in. Reckon Halliday would be very much like Mikey Smith in terms of consistency and would make competition for CM much more competitive than it currently is (lets not forget his versatility too). Tried and tested in Scottish football and mentally strong enough to cope with the demands from the stands about winning every week. 

 

Its a no brainer. 

 

Been saying it for ages mate!

 

He would keep Irving out the team but if Halliday is that shite he should have no problem displacing him? 🤷‍♂️

 

I was going to say you get what you pay for but that's been furthest from the truth these last few years. It's far too sensible a signing to happen, I'm sure we'll end up going for a wee project, someone who's had double knee replacement surgery who would otherwise be out of our league...4 year deal.

[Batistuta87]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Its incredible people trying to say that Halliday would be anything other than a great signing.  

 

The laddie is a grafter. Get Damour to **** and get him in. Reckon Halliday would be very much like Mikey Smith in terms of consistency and would make competition for CM much more competitive than it currently is (lets not forget his versatility too). Tried and tested in Scottish football and mentally strong enough to cope with the demands from the stands about winning every week. 

 

Its a no brainer. 

100%

Signing of the window if we pulled it off. 

[BackOfTheNet]

1 hour ago, Batistuta87 said:

100%

Signing of the window if we pulled it off. 

I’m not overly against Halliday signing, but what you’re saying there is a stretch I think. Really isn’t that great and I fear we’d be splurging too much on wages for someone who is best average at Premiership level. You have to ask why no other team in the Premiership has approached him with an offer.

 

Aside from that I think signing of the window is certainly open for debate with a few capable of being seen as such come the end of the season.

[1874robbo]

I would expect a signing or 2 at the beginning of this week which the club will be hoping takes a good chunk of the focus away from the zlamal loan feck up!!

[bobskeldon]

5 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Its incredible people trying to say that Halliday would be anything other than a great signing.  

 

The laddie is a grafter. Get Damour to **** and get him in. Reckon Halliday would be very much like Mikey Smith in terms of consistency and would make competition for CM much more competitive than it currently is (lets not forget his versatility too). Tried and tested in Scottish football and mentally strong enough to cope with the demands from the stands about winning every week. 

 

Its a no brainer. 

Absolutely bang on the money.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

37 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

I would expect a signing or 2 at the beginning of this week which the club will be hoping takes a good chunk of the focus away from the zlamal loan feck up!!

 

How can anyone still be annoyed about the loan FFS. The annoyance was that we were "helping" a club that screwed us over. We clearly didn't help them in any way. In fact we've shown them up by acting in a totally professional way, unlike them. We also loaned Killie Doyle and I don't remember any seethe over that.

Edited September 13, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[WDJ87]

3 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

This is also true. The Hickey funds will just help us get them in sooner as they have alternatives.

 

I believe there are a couple of our players with offers, ball is in their court as to whether they go or not. Issue is, the ludicrous contracts they were given aren't being matched (unsurprisingly) so it's very much 50/50.

Couple of times you've mentioned this, you realise it's a loan with an obligation to buy? We won't be getting any funds until the end of the season at least. Unless I have missed something?

[Swanny17]

6 minutes ago, WDJ87 said:

Couple of times you've mentioned this, you realise it's a loan with an obligation to buy? We won't be getting any funds until the end of the season at least. Unless I have missed something?

Talk was of a substantial loan fee....

[WDJ87]

1 minute ago, Swanny17 said:

Talk was of a substantial loan fee....

Can only hope, I suppose will find out when the deal is eventually rubber stamped sometime in 2021...

[bazman]

7 minutes ago, Swanny17 said:

Talk was of a substantial loan fee....

Even if there is a fee it will go towards the funding gap

[DC_92]

5 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Its incredible people trying to say that Halliday would be anything other than a great signing.  

 

The laddie is a grafter. Get Damour to **** and get him in. Reckon Halliday would be very much like Mikey Smith in terms of consistency and would make competition for CM much more competitive than it currently is (lets not forget his versatility too). Tried and tested in Scottish football and mentally strong enough to cope with the demands from the stands about winning every week. 

 

Its a no brainer. 

 

As I recall, Rangers binned him from their line-up very shortly after getting promoted. It may have been after we hammered them at Tynecastle and he was directly at fault for one of the goals after some Damouresque play.

 

You rightly point out that we have Andy Irving who's similar in style and who I'd rather give game time to. If we give Halliday "what he wants" and he can't dislodge Irving then we've got an expensive 29 year old reserve, potentially on a long contract. If he comes in then it has to be on reasonable terms from our point of view.

 

People are acting like he's in the Kyle Lafferty/Steven Naismith bracket of ex-Rangers players, when he's actually in the Ricky Foster/Kirk Broadfoot bracket. That may even be giving him too much credit actually, given that they got a game for a decent Rangers team.

 

He'd be a solid signing for where we're at, but definitely not worth paying over the odds for. Has to be on our terms.

[1874robbo]

43 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

How can anyone still be annoyed about the loan FFS. The annoyance was that we were "helping" a club that screwed us over. We clearly didn't help them in any way. In fact we've shown them up by acting in a totally professional way, unlike them. We also loaned Killie Doyle and I don't remember any seethe over that.

Is Doyle back after 7 days?

[Guest ToqueJambo]

2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Is Doyle back after 7 days?

 

What difference does it make. A club that shafted us asked us for a player and we agreed to it. We're also trying to offload Bobby (IMO). This is a shop window for him.

Edited September 13, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[1874robbo]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

What difference does it make. A club asked us for a player and we agreed to it. We're also trying to offload Bobby (IMO).

Doyle went on loan as a back up keeper for them for the whole season.

St mirren only wanted bobby for a week as they’re in the shit for a keeper.

this was a perfect opportunity to tell them to feck off.

all about opinions and I think we’ve scored an own goal with a good amount of our own fans you obviously think different.

thats the beauty of a football forum 

[WDJ87]

Great 🙄 the st morron debacle has infected this thread now too

[Spellczech]

13 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

What difference does it make. A club that shafted us asked us for a player and we agreed to it. We're also trying to offload Bobby (IMO). This is a shop window for him.

So do we loan him for one week, then he has to quarantine for a fortnight? Seems daft

 

Has anyone seen Gino Ginnelly play yet?

[CJGJ]

1 minute ago, Spellczech said:

So do we loan him for one week, then he has to quarantine for a fortnight? Seems daft

 

Has anyone seen Gino Ginnelly play yet?

Yes that will be right.....,,he has to self isolate !!!!

 

Come on

[Guest ToqueJambo]

9 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

So do we loan him for one week, then he has to quarantine for a fortnight? Seems daft

 

Has anyone seen Gino Ginnelly play yet?

 

This makes no sense. Clubs are testing twice a week. Are you saying that after teams play each other they both have to self isolate for a fortnight?

[Guest ToqueJambo]

22 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Doyle went on loan as a back up keeper for them for the whole season.

St mirren only wanted bobby for a week as they’re in the shit for a keeper.

this was a perfect opportunity to tell them to feck off.

all about opinions and I think we’ve scored an own goal with a good amount of our own fans you obviously think different.

thats the beauty of a football forum 

 

 

Bobby is a player Hearts fans don't rate and have been slagging off for months. How does giving him to St Mirren help them exactly? Surely the correct banter is to laugh that we've given them our 3rd choice keeper.

[Spellczech]

9 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

This makes no sense. Clubs are testing twice a week. Are you saying that after teams play each other they both have to self isolate for a fortnight?

Yeah but testing is a bit of a sham isn't it. They are still no better than 70% accurate and giving both false negatives and false positives. I'd have thought it would be best, if you are loaning a player to a club which has Covid problems, you would quarantine the player on his return...

[Jamhammer]

39 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

What difference does it make. A club that shafted us asked us for a player and we agreed to it. We're also trying to offload Bobby (IMO). This is a shop window for him.

Threw a brick through the shop window yesterday by all accounts

[Ainsley Harriott]

Have we been linked with halliday anywhere credible or just another name being flung about on here?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, DC_92 said:

 

As I recall, Rangers binned him from their line-up very shortly after getting promoted. It may have been after we hammered them at Tynecastle and he was directly at fault for one of the goals after some Damouresque play.

 

You rightly point out that we have Andy Irving who's similar in style and who I'd rather give game time to. If we give Halliday "what he wants" and he can't dislodge Irving then we've got an expensive 29 year old reserve, potentially on a long contract. If he comes in then it has to be on reasonable terms from our point of view.

 

People are acting like he's in the Kyle Lafferty/Steven Naismith bracket of ex-Rangers players, when he's actually in the Ricky Foster/Kirk Broadfoot bracket. That may even be giving him too much credit actually, given that they got a game for a decent Rangers team.

 

He'd be a solid signing for where we're at, but definitely not worth paying over the odds for. Has to be on our terms.

Spot on. 

[Rick Sanchez]

Give me Halliday over Naismith...atleast he'd be playing regularly. 

 

Naismith is part of the last remnants of the previous regime and I've no doubt by the time he leaves he'll still be regarded as a poor signing.

 

Happy to admit I didn't feel that way at the time he signed but you have to say it as it is now.

[BackOfTheNet]

32 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Have we been linked with halliday anywhere credible or just another name being flung about on here?

Just here, and a very odd clamber for it to happen too if you ask me.

[Russ1977]

1 hour ago, DC_92 said:

 

As I recall, Rangers binned him from their line-up very shortly after getting promoted. It may have been after we hammered them at Tynecastle and he was directly at fault for one of the goals after some Damouresque play.

 

You rightly point out that we have Andy Irving who's similar in style and who I'd rather give game time to. If we give Halliday "what he wants" and he can't dislodge Irving then we've got an expensive 29 year old reserve, potentially on a long contract. If he comes in then it has to be on reasonable terms from our point of view.

 

People are acting like he's in the Kyle Lafferty/Steven Naismith bracket of ex-Rangers players, when he's actually in the Ricky Foster/Kirk Broadfoot bracket. That may even be giving him too much credit actually, given that they got a game for a decent Rangers team.

 

He'd be a solid signing for where we're at, but definitely not worth paying over the odds for. Has to be on our terms.

I’m not getting the comparison to Irving and Halliday’s style of play. Halliday is a workhorse and Irving is a proper footballer with good vision and passing. Only thing similar about them is they play in the middle of the park. They’d actually be a half decent combination.