Daniel Stendel

[Bongo 1874]

7 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

Stop slavering.

 

 

https://youtu.be/EJ0d6zbxoAQ

Edited March 31, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

No confidence is a big thing in football. 

The end result was that his performances were consistently shit. We could talk all day about why exactly that was, whether it was confidence or ability or whatever, but the weakest link in our team was the goalkeeper and nothing was done about it.

[shaun.lawson]

Stendel may, conceivably, have been the right man... in certain circumstances. Those circumstances would've involved Hearts being in mid-table, not in the midst of years of appalling form, and not in danger of relegation.

 

Employing someone mid-season and him transforming the whole approach into something totally different is horribly fraught at any level of the game. No manager can be properly judged until they've had their own preseason. In Scotland, this is hugely exacerbated by football being so physical, so helter-skelter - and Hearts were up against a bunch of clubs used to battling for survival year-in, year-out.

 

It took ages to bring in his support team: that period did huge damage. He ended up being treated quite disgracefully. But his relative success at Barnsley probably owed to how well that club is run and structured: they know exactly what they're looking for there and unlike Hearts, are following a clear long term plan. As it was, our appointing him was a huge gamble.

 

Hibs, by contrast, appointed someone who knew the Scottish game and steadily improved them. Jack Ross isn't even that good; all he was was a sensible appointment given the circumstances. In our case, Stendel was a huge risk, who failed. We will never know if he'd have got us out of it; maybe, maybe not. But just because the current manager is crap doesn't mean his predecessor was somehow good. The circumstances we were in meant we should never have brought him in. 

[Pasquale for King]

21 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

Stendel may, conceivably, have been the right man... in certain circumstances. Those circumstances would've involved Hearts being in mid-table, not in the midst of years of appalling form, and not in danger of relegation.

 

Employing someone mid-season and him transforming the whole approach into something totally different is horribly fraught at any level of the game. No manager can be properly judged until they've had their own preseason. In Scotland, this is hugely exacerbated by football being so physical, so helter-skelter - and Hearts were up against a bunch of clubs used to battling for survival year-in, year-out.

 

It took ages to bring in his support team: that period did huge damage. He ended up being treated quite disgracefully. But his relative success at Barnsley probably owed to how well that club is run and structured: they know exactly what they're looking for there and unlike Hearts, are following a clear long term plan. As it was, our appointing him was a huge gamble.

 

Hibs, by contrast, appointed someone who knew the Scottish game and steadily improved them. Jack Ross isn't even that good; all he was was a sensible appointment given the circumstances. In our case, Stendel was a huge risk, who failed. We will never know if he'd have got us out of it; maybe, maybe not. But just because the current manager is crap doesn't mean his predecessor was somehow good. The circumstances we were in meant we should never have brought him in. 

Have to agree. 
Still not sure why it’s still being debated considering the problems we still have now. 

[Bongo 1874]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

The end result was that his performances were consistently shit. We could talk all day about why exactly that was, whether it was confidence or ability or whatever, but the weakest link in our team was the goalkeeper and nothing was done about it.

Right so I'll play along with your wee theory the weakest link in our team was the goalkeeper. 

 

Right so heart of midlothian football club now have Scotland number 1 back in goal, he played tonight for Scotland. 

 

You want to tell me how he managed to concede 3 against Raith at home? Far inferior opposition than the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. 

 

The Rot had set in and it's hard to get rid of bad habits. 

 

That's what Stendel was dealing with, neglect of a team that had been brainwashed to the point that if players even dared try to express themselves on a football park, see David milinkovic they were getting shouted at. 

 

See Aaron McEneff for Robbie Neilson an attacking player now scared to express his ability why? Because all the ability has been fecking coached out of him again bad habits are hard to get rid off. 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Bongo 1874]

1 hour ago, shaun.lawson said:

Stendel may, conceivably, have been the right man... in certain circumstances. Those circumstances would've involved Hearts being in mid-table, not in the midst of years of appalling form, and not in danger of relegation.

 

Employing someone mid-season and him transforming the whole approach into something totally different is horribly fraught at any level of the game. No manager can be properly judged until they've had their own preseason. In Scotland, this is hugely exacerbated by football being so physical, so helter-skelter - and Hearts were up against a bunch of clubs used to battling for survival year-in, year-out.

 

It took ages to bring in his support team: that period did huge damage. He ended up being treated quite disgracefully. But his relative success at Barnsley probably owed to how well that club is run and structured: they know exactly what they're looking for there and unlike Hearts, are following a clear long term plan. As it was, our appointing him was a huge gamble.

 

Hibs, by contrast, appointed someone who knew the Scottish game and steadily improved them. Jack Ross isn't even that good; all he was was a sensible appointment given the circumstances. In our case, Stendel was a huge risk, who failed. We will never know if he'd have got us out of it; maybe, maybe not. But just because the current manager is crap doesn't mean his predecessor was somehow good. The circumstances we were in meant we should never have brought him in. 

Disagree sorry. 

 

And to further my point Sunderland had Jack Rodwell on 70k a week in league one, had a far bigger budget than Barnsley did in league 1 with Jack Ross so how did Stendel over the course of a season manage to finish above Jack Ross Sunderland?. 

 

Sunderland paid 4-5mil in the same season for Will Grigg. 

 

Yet Barnsley never had anywhere near the budget Sunderland had and managed to finish above them over a full season with Stendel in charge. 

 

To which point Stendel's Barnsley went the whole season at home unbeaten in the league, and had the best defensive record in the football league. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[shaun.lawson]

7 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Disagree sorry. 

 

And to further my point Sunderland had Jack Rodwell on 70k a week in league one, had a far bigger budget than Barnsley did in league 1 with Jack Ross so how did Stendel over the course of a season manage to finish above Jack Ross Sunderland?. 

 

Sunderland paid 4-5mil in the same season for Will Grigg. 

 

Yet Barnsley never had anywhere near the budget Sunderland had and managed to finish above them over a full season with Stendel in charge. 

 

To which point Stendel's Barnsley went the whole season at home unbeaten in the league, and had the best defensive record in the country?. 

 

That's horribly flawed and I'll tell you why. Because that summer, Sunderland had almost ceased to exist. They didn't even have 11 players until August: they were always going to suffer the consequences of that. No manager can plan a damn thing in those sorts of circumstances.

 

Notice how Ross' two successors there went on to do worse? They've been an unmitigated shambles off the pitch for years and years, and only now are they finally starting to right the ship.
 

Meanwhile, two things on Barnsley:

 

a) Their 'natural' level is a yo-yo club: too good for League 1, usually too bad for the Championship. Except that...

 

b) All the Billy Beane/Moneyball stuff there means they're able to punch way, way above their weight right now. All thanks to knowing exactly the sort of players they need and setting out a system of play which the head coach must conform to.

 

Stendel was at a club which is run brilliantly. Ross was at the worst run club in England. If Stendel was that good, Barnsley would've suffered without him. Instead, they've got better. Hugely better this season.

[spirt of 98]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

I don’t actually know (or have read) any , and I mean any Hearts supporter that rates JP even a tiny bit .

you are the only one. Fair enough but it’s a bit odd.  Stendell gave us a few games that were great. Easter Road was great and I loved it, but the games against the teams in and around us were suicide tactics

JP was an awesome keeper for someone with lettuce leaves for hands. Boy did good with what he had. 

[Diego10]

39 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Right so I'll play along with your wee theory the weakest link in our team was the goalkeeper. 

 

Right so heart of midlothian football club now have Scotland number 1 back in goal, he played tonight for Scotland. 

 

You want to tell me how he managed to concede 3 against Raith at home? Far inferior opposition than the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. 

 

The Rot had set in and it's hard to get rid of bad habits. 

 

That's what Stendel was dealing with, neglect of a team that had been brainwashed to the point that if players even dared try to express themselves on a football park, see David milinkovic they were getting shouted at. 

 

See Aaron McEneff for Robbie Neilson an attacking player now scared to express his ability why? Because all the ability has been fecking coached out of him again bad habits are hard to get rid off. 

 

 

 

Are you having a laugh on the keeper? Pereira was absolutely hopeless at keeping the ball out of the net. I genuinely don't remember him making a single good save.  

 

A keeper can let in 3 goals which he is blameless for, as Gordon did against Raith, or he can repeatedly let in goals you'd expect a decent 16yo to save, like Pereira did all season.

[Pagey]

Dear oh dear- I question the effect the Bill Gates vaccine is having on some people.

 

[Bongo 1874]

1 hour ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

That's horribly flawed and I'll tell you why. Because that summer, Sunderland had almost ceased to exist. They didn't even have 11 players until August: they were always going to suffer the consequences of that. No manager can plan a damn thing in those sorts of circumstances.

 

Notice how Ross' two successors there went on to do worse? They've been an unmitigated shambles off the pitch for years and years, and only now are they finally starting to right the ship.
 

Meanwhile, two things on Barnsley:

 

a) Their 'natural' level is a yo-yo club: too good for League 1, usually too bad for the Championship. Except that...

 

b) All the Billy Beane/Moneyball stuff there means they're able to punch way, way above their weight right now. All thanks to knowing exactly the sort of players they need and setting out a system of play which the head coach must conform to.

 

Stendel was at a club which is run brilliantly. Ross was at the worst run club in England. If Stendel was that good, Barnsley would've suffered without him. Instead, they've got better. Hugely better this season.

Hugely flawed Sean tell me who Barnsley signed for 4-5mil just for a start, Sunderland had almost ceased to exist nonsense again they were taken over by Stewart Donald. 

 

Were they being badly run yes but even being badly run they still went out and spent 4-5 mil on a player 🤔so how flawed is that they were operating on the highest wage budget in the league 🤔fact. 

 

 

Stendel was not at a club that is run brillianty just ask the Barnsley supporters what they think of the board, now they have more experience in the team and players getting older so they are more used to English championships football 👍. 

 

Barnsley at the time had jose morais as head coach. 

 

Sunderland moved on players once  they got relegated, they expected to go straight back up after being relegated from the Premier league. 

 

 

As for Barnsley getting better without Stendel i suppose when you rip apart the man's league 1 promotion team, you can come to that conclusion 👍.

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetotallyfootballshow.com/the-efl-column/daniel-stendel-cant-be-blamed-after-barnsley-replaced-his-best-players-with-kids/&ved=2ahUKEwiD0buS6tvvAhVVhP0HHaNVC1IQFjABegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw1uiyECXhWgz_ijBpJTtqIp

 

 

We've given Ellis £40m, so that's the deal, and in return Ellis has tidied up his debt and that's now gone from the football club," Donald told a media conference on Monday.

"Ellis was very clear he didn't want the debt, but we didn't want the debt either so we refused that.

"The reality is Sunderland is debt-free which, for the fans, is good news." 

 

So he came into a debt free club that's some mess Jack Ross came into 🤔🤔. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[shaun.lawson]

11 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Hugely flawed Sean tell me who Barnsley signed for 4-5mil just for a start, Sunderland had almost ceased to exist nonsense again they were taken over by Stewart Donald. 

 

It's not 'nonsense'. They had ten players on the first day of preseason. That's unthinkable at any professional club, let alone one Sunderland's size.

 

You don't walk into a club in that horrific state and magically turn it around overnight. Which, funnily enough, is the exact same argument you've used with Stendel and Hearts. Make your mind up please. 

 

With regard to Sunderland, it's like you think them going up is like buying a Mars bar. It's not. It takes years to arrest a decline that deep, that spectacular. Leeds couldn't get out of League 1 for 3 years; Man City did it by the absolute skin of their teeth. And Joe Royle wasn't somehow 'crap' for them being mid-table midway through that season, or 2-0 down in the playoff final heading into injury time either.

 

Ross shovelled through almighty amounts of shit at Sunderland. At Barnsley, Stendel walked into a club who were relegated in 2014, promoted in 2016, and relegated in 2018. Woohoo, he just achieved the same as his predecessors... and was sacked when again doing the same as his predecessors, ie. looking like going straight back down.

 

That sacking's since been vindicated given where Barnsley are now. Turns out, their board's clearly got more than a clue about football, unlike Hearts'. 

[Bongo 1874]

8 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

It's not 'nonsense'. They had ten players on the first day of preseason. That's unthinkable at any professional club, let alone one Sunderland's size.

 

You don't walk into a club in that horrific state and magically turn it around overnight. Which, funnily enough, is the exact same argument you've used with Stendel and Hearts. Make your mind up please. 

 

With regard to Sunderland, it's like you think them going up is like buying a Mars bar. It's not. It takes years to arrest a decline that deep, that spectacular. Leeds couldn't get out of League 1 for 3 years; Man City did it by the absolute skin of their teeth. And Joe Royle wasn't somehow 'crap' for them being mid-table midway through that season, or 2-0 down in the playoff final heading into injury time either.

 

Ross shovelled through almighty amounts of shit at Sunderland. At Barnsley, Stendel walked into a club who were relegated in 2014, promoted in 2016, and relegated in 2018. Woohoo, he just achieved the same as his predecessors... and was sacked when again doing the same as his predecessors, ie. looking like going straight back down.

 

That sacking's since been vindicated given where Barnsley are now. Turns out, their board's clearly got more than a clue about football, unlike Hearts'. 

They had players recovering from long term injures, and had majority of the first team training with the youth team so again your wrong 😂. 

 

Jack Ross had a pre season to bring in players, Jon mcg being an example and had the biggest wage budget and transfer budget in the league 👍. Fact 

 

They had 4-5 key first team players out for the first game of the season. 

 

Put that into content with Stendel coming in mid season, with no budget 1 in 1 out, funny enough you will never guess who Sunderland tried to bring in when Jack Ross got sacked 😂😂. 

 

But he turned them down and picked us 😉. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Bongo 1874]

30 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

It's not 'nonsense'. They had ten players on the first day of preseason. That's unthinkable at any professional club, let alone one Sunderland's size.

 

You don't walk into a club in that horrific state and magically turn it around overnight. Which, funnily enough, is the exact same argument you've used with Stendel and Hearts. Make your mind up please. 

 

With regard to Sunderland, it's like you think them going up is like buying a Mars bar. It's not. It takes years to arrest a decline that deep, that spectacular. Leeds couldn't get out of League 1 for 3 years; Man City did it by the absolute skin of their teeth. And Joe Royle wasn't somehow 'crap' for them being mid-table midway through that season, or 2-0 down in the playoff final heading into injury time either.

 

Ross shovelled through almighty amounts of shit at Sunderland. At Barnsley, Stendel walked into a club who were relegated in 2014, promoted in 2016, and relegated in 2018. Woohoo, he just achieved the same as his predecessors... and was sacked when again doing the same as his predecessors, ie. looking like going straight back down.

 

That sacking's since been vindicated given where Barnsley are now. Turns out, their board's clearly got more than a clue about football, unlike Hearts'. 

Sunderland signed 17 first team players that season and sold the big earners that was at the club. 

 

They total amount they spent was between £5-6 mil on bringing players in, they got  £23. 48mil for player sales. 

 

Compare that to Barnsley who spent £1. 36mil on bringing players in, players out got them £3.11mil.

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[The Mighty Thor]

Facts being facts.

Stendel appointed = hearts 11th in the table.

Stendel emptied = hearts 12th in the table. 

 

The rest is just noise. 

[Unknown user]

7 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Right so I'll play along with your wee theory the weakest link in our team was the goalkeeper. 

 

Right so heart of midlothian football club now have Scotland number 1 back in goal, he played tonight for Scotland. 

 

You want to tell me how he managed to concede 3 against Raith at home? Far inferior opposition than the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. 

 

The Rot had set in and it's hard to get rid of bad habits. 

 

That's what Stendel was dealing with, neglect of a team that had been brainwashed to the point that if players even dared try to express themselves on a football park, see David milinkovic they were getting shouted at. 

 

See Aaron McEneff for Robbie Neilson an attacking player now scared to express his ability why? Because all the ability has been fecking coached out of him again bad habits are hard to get rid off. 

 

 

 

 

Pereira was performing terribly week after week, month after month, and Stendel kept picking him.

 

You can throw a 10,000 word essay at it, you can apportion blame here or there for why he was so shit, but the central fact is that we had a ****ing terrible goalkeeper and Stendel kept picking him.

 

Stendel was to blame for that, 100%

[Bazzas right boot]

This poster is broken. 

 

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Facts being facts.

Stendel appointed = hearts 11th in the table.

Stendel emptied = hearts 12th in the table. 

 

The rest is just noise. 

 

I think we might even have been 10th when he taken over, someone pointed this out to me when I posted the same. 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

****, if Stendel did have any thoughts of returning to Hearts or Scotland - he isn't now. 

 

It's turning into  fatal attraction, football version. 

 

 

 

 

[frankblack]

This thread is a complete car crash.

 

[22games nro]

27 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Pereira was performing terribly week after week, month after month, and Stendel kept picking him.

 

You can throw a 10,000 word essay at it, you can apportion blame here or there for why he was so shit, but the central fact is that we had a ****ing terrible goalkeeper and Stendel kept picking him.

 

Stendel was to blame for that, 100%

we do not know the circumstances in what the loan deal was from Manchester Utd, I don’t know but it’s not unknown for players to be tied into being picked for a high percentage of 1st team football (out with injury) or there can be financial penalties etc. Seeing his form last year made me think there was something similar along those lines and despite his form he was surprisingly picked to play ?

[NlGHTMARE]

8 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

That's horribly flawed and I'll tell you why. Because that summer, Sunderland had almost ceased to exist. They didn't even have 11 players until August: they were always going to suffer the consequences of that. No manager can plan a damn thing in those sorts of circumstances.

 

Notice how Ross' two successors there went on to do worse? They've been an unmitigated shambles off the pitch for years and years, and only now are they finally starting to right the ship.
 

Meanwhile, two things on Barnsley:

 

a) Their 'natural' level is a yo-yo club: too good for League 1, usually too bad for the Championship. Except that...

 

b) All the Billy Beane/Moneyball stuff there means they're able to punch way, way above their weight right now. All thanks to knowing exactly the sort of players they need and setting out a system of play which the head coach must conform to.

 

Stendel was at a club which is run brilliantly. Ross was at the worst run club in England. If Stendel was that good, Barnsley would've suffered without him. Instead, they've got better. Hugely better this season.

 

Too bad for the championship 🤣😂🤣😂 in the last 30 odd years we’ve been relegated 3 times, and promoted from it once, we’ve played more games in the second tier of English football than any other club, and that’s by some distance. 3 relegations, and 3 promotion since 2006 would hardly suggest we’re a yo-yo club ether, in the last 40 years (my life time) we’ve spend 8 seasons outside the second tier (hopefully 9 after this season) we’re the definition of a second tier club, lower end of it granted, but it’s definitely where history would suggest we belong. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by NlGHTMARE

[Saint Jambo]

30 minutes ago, 22games nro said:

we do not know the circumstances in what the loan deal was from Manchester Utd, I don’t know but it’s not unknown for players to be tied into being picked for a high percentage of 1st team football (out with injury) or there can be financial penalties etc. Seeing his form last year made me think there was something similar along those lines and despite his form he was surprisingly picked to play ?

 

If that was true, why was there even discussion about bringing in Gordon in January? We clearly weren't going to sign him to sit on the bench while Pereira played the majority of games he was contractually obliged to. If that was the case, why didn't Stendel say so in the recent interview? There would be nothing to gain and only further damage to be done to his reputation by saying he was happy with the goalkeeping options rather than saying he was required to play Pereira.

[Saint Jambo]

2 minutes ago, NlGHTMARE said:

 

Too bad for the championship 🤣😂🤣😂 in the last 30 odd years we’ve been relegated 3 times, and promoted from it once, we’ve played more games in the second tier of English football that any other club, and that’s by some distance. 3 relegations promotion, and 3 promotion since 2006 would hardly suggest we’re a yo-yo club ether, in the last 40 years (my life time) we’ve spend 8 seasons outside the second tier (hopefully 9 after this season) we’re the definition of a second tier club, lower end of it granted, but it’s definitely where history would suggest we belong. 

 

So would you suggest that the season you were promoted with Stendel in charge you were among the favourites for promotion?

 

I remember looking at various articles from the start of the season about the likely challengers and Barnsley were often quoted. Sounds like Stendel getting you promoted was in line with expectations and if Stendel had got you relegated as looked inevitable if he had been kept on that would have been below expectations.

[Jeffros Furios]

51 minutes ago, frankblack said:

This thread is a complete car crash.

 

It certainly is . . Who gives a funky about Sunderland or Barnsley 

[Hashimoto]

13 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

rentaghost would be a 1000% improvement over JP.  How anybody who watched him last season can rate him  ? - well there are no words.  I’ve seen some horror keepers nobody comes close to how utterly horrendous he was.  I’d go as far as to say we would probably of been as well having any outfield player in goals. He was howling. As pointed out above it took Huddersfield ONE game to realise he was dugshite.  Stendells insistence in persevering with the hologram cost him his job and us our league status.  

Fair to say that Hearts have not had a decent goalie since Alexander or Mclaughlan...The rest of been rank rotten
Gordon is great, but he is entering the final years in a long career. Stewart looks like he could be Neilson's Perrera!
So hopes for the future are firmly pinned on Harry Stone's shoulders.....Let's hope he turns out to be a good un!

As for Stendel losing his job for playing Perrera....Is that a matter of record or a convenient fantasy made up to suit whatever agenda?....IMO....Stendel did not stand a chance, not whilst Mrs Budge was eagerly courting Neilson in the background with the help of Dr Levein (See what conspiracy theory does to you?)

I think that also explains why Mrs Budge conveniently went on holiday during a time when Hearts had a mini crisis on their hands. Being in a relegation battle and trying to appoint a new manager at the same time was clearly not as important as her holiday!....Quite clearly someone else was minding the shop whilst she was working on the tan!....Wonder who that was?

And finally...Stendel playing Perrera did not cost us our league status.......The rot, damage was well established prior to his appointment.....Unbelievable what was happening at Tynecastle prior to Stendel's appointment....Scandalous in fact! 
There's a saying my old foreman used to come out with...."Ye canny polish a turd son!"

Hearts were full of unpolished turds prior to Stendel's arrival

Neilson Out
   

[billybalfour]

I could be wrong but were Barnsley not in the bottom 3 when the season was stopped.They were then allowed to finish their season and survived along with Luton I think.Perhaps Nightmare could confirm.Who knows if we would have stayed up and where we would be now if we had had that opportunity.

I still think we would have had a manager we could get behind if he had stayed.At the moment it is all toxic with Neilson and won't be changing anytime soon.

[The Old Tolbooth]

5 minutes ago, billybalfour said:

I could be wrong but were Barnsley not in the bottom 3 when the season was stopped.They were then allowed to finish their season and survived along with Luton I think.Perhaps Nightmare could confirm.Who knows if we would have stayed up and where we would be now if we had had that opportunity.

I still think we would have had a manager we could get behind if he had stayed.At the moment it is all toxic with Neilson and won't be changing anytime soon.

 

You're absolutely correct, in fact the bottom five teams in that league all finished outside of the bottom five and were replaced by another five teams because the league was allowed to be played out, that was the proof we needed if any to present that our season should have been played out, because I'm still firmly of the opinion that Stendel would have kept us up and either St Midden or Dross County would have been relegated, and I discounted Hamilton from that because they're experts in fighting relegation every season and always seem to annoyingly find enough to stay up. 

[Maroon Sailor]

Ross County would've been relegated if the season was played out imo

 

And they knew it

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Maroon Sailor said:

Ross County would've been relegated if the season was played out imo

 

And they knew it

 

This.

[The Gorgie]

3 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

Ross County would've been relegated if the season was played out imo

 

And they knew it

I believe the current form table at the time had them last and us in 8th.

[Dazo]

34 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

It certainly is . . Who gives a funky about Sunderland or Barnsley 

Can we add Stendel to that list. The love in for such a bang average at best manager is truly bizarre. 

[NlGHTMARE]

46 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

So would you suggest that the season you were promoted with Stendel in charge you were among the favourites for promotion?

 

I remember looking at various articles from the start of the season about the likely challengers and Barnsley were often quoted. Sounds like Stendel getting you promoted was in line with expectations and if Stendel had got you relegated as looked inevitable if he had been kept on that would have been below expectations.

 

Yes when he arrived at Oakwell, he walked into a club set up to piss promotion, we’d got a decent squad of players, who were, young, hungry for success, fit as a butchers dog, and recruited because they were able to play the style of football  for which he was recruited to get them playing. But he still had to have the ability to do what was needed, and luckily for us he had what it takes. 

 

Following promotion, the board decided to overhaul the squad completely, this turned out to be the right thing to do judging by this season, but at the time Stendel and most of our fans thought it was totally out of order. Their was clearly a falling out between the board and Daniel over this and he paid for it with his job. 

[Jeffros Furios]

26 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Can we add Stendel to that list. The love in for such a bang average at best manager is truly bizarre. 

Aye its all in the past and we've enough shit to be dealing with .

[fast_blood]

44 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

Ross County would've been relegated if the season was played out imo

 

And they knew it

Based on form but there was nothing to suggest we would have picked up enough points to catch them. Form guides can change dramatically in one or two games. 

[fast_blood]

41 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said:

I believe the current form table at the time had them last and us in 8th.

It would have had more weight if we'd beaten teams around us and not rangers and Hibs. 

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said:

Ross County would've been relegated if the season was played out imo

 

And they knew it

 

 

Agreed, but we'll never know for sure. 

 

 

[Maroon Sailor]

5 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Agreed, but we'll never know for sure. 

 

 

 

Hopefully pass them on their way down.

 

We'll be sure to pop in to the chemist on the way up.

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Hopefully pass them on their way down.

 

We'll be sure to pop in to the chemist on the way up.

 

Yip. 

 

[Beni]

This thread is turning into Kickback's version of Greyfriars Bobby.

With one broken hearted poster returning to the grave of Stendel's Hearts career on a daily basis.

Shouting at random passers by things like "Pereira was a good keeper".

Whilst everyone else shakes their head with a mixture of pity and sadness.

 

[john thomas]

4 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

This thread is turning into Kickback's version of Greyfriars Bobby.

With one broken hearted poster returning to the grave of Stendel's Hearts career on a daily basis.

Shouting at random passers by things like "Pereira was a good keeper".

Whilst everyone else shakes their head with a mixture of pity and sadness.

 

If things weren't so bad at the moment this thread would be hilarious

[Saint Jambo]

2 hours ago, NlGHTMARE said:

 

Yes when he arrived at Oakwell, he walked into a club set up to piss promotion, we’d got a decent squad of players, who were, young, hungry for success, fit as a butchers dog, and recruited because they were able to play the style of football  for which he was recruited to get them playing. But he still had to have the ability to do what was needed, and luckily for us he had what it takes. 

 

Following promotion, the board decided to overhaul the squad completely, this turned out to be the right thing to do judging by this season, but at the time Stendel and most of our fans thought it was totally out of order. Their was clearly a falling out between the board and Daniel over this and he paid for it with his job. 

 

Thanks. Absolutely acknowledge that even with the right elements in place for promotion, a manager should still get credit for achieving that. Stendel clearly had a good season in 2018-19. But despite what certain posters on here seem to think, it was not some unbelievable feat of football management and currently stands out as Stendel's one successful season with any of the teams he has managed.

[Jim Panzee]

39 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

This thread is turning into Kickback's version of Greyfriars Bobby.

With one broken hearted poster returning to the grave of Stendel's Hearts career on a daily basis.

Shouting at random passers by things like "Pereira was a good keeper".

Whilst everyone else shakes their head with a mixture of pity and sadness.

 

🤣

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, 22games nro said:

we do not know the circumstances in what the loan deal was from Manchester Utd, I don’t know but it’s not unknown for players to be tied into being picked for a high percentage of 1st team football (out with injury) or there can be financial penalties etc. Seeing his form last year made me think there was something similar along those lines and despite his form he was surprisingly picked to play ?

Levein confirmed there was no such agreement IIRC

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

If that was true, why was there even discussion about bringing in Gordon in January? We clearly weren't going to sign him to sit on the bench while Pereira played the majority of games he was contractually obliged to. If that was the case, why didn't Stendel say so in the recent interview? There would be nothing to gain and only further damage to be done to his reputation by saying he was happy with the goalkeeping options rather than saying he was required to play Pereira.

Stendel said in interview that he picked Joel because of his ability to play his system of playing it from the keeper

[PapaShango]

16 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Stendel said in interview that he picked Joel because of his ability to play his system of playing it from the keeper

I prefer a keeper that can save a shot rather than muck about with it at their feet. He was the worst goalkeeper I've ever seen at Hearts and that is from watching them for 36 years and I include Kurskis, Lee Wallace and Ian Baird in that list! I cannot recall him ever making a save of note ever. Every half decent shot at him and sometime sclaffs ended up in the net. Had we replaced him earlier no way were we finishing bottom. 

[Maroon Sailor]

1 minute ago, PapaShango said:

I prefer a keeper that can save a shot rather than muck about with it at their feet. He was the worst goalkeeper I've ever seen at Hearts and that is from watching them for 36 years and I include Kurskis, Lee Wallace and Ian Baird in that list! I cannot recall him ever making a save of note ever. Every half decent shot at him and sometime sclaffs ended up in the net. Had we replaced him earlier no way were we finishing bottom. 

 

At least you avoided seeing Brian Wilson. 

 

Pereira was the modern day equivalent

[Haken]

2 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

This thread is turning into Kickback's version of Greyfriars Bobby.

With one broken hearted poster returning to the grave of Stendel's Hearts career on a daily basis.

Shouting at random passers by things like "Pereira was a good keeper".

Whilst everyone else shakes their head with a mixture of pity and sadness.

 

🤣👏

[Bongo 1874]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Stendel said in interview that he picked Joel because of his ability to play his system of playing it from the keeper

I suggest you listen to the full podcast 👍. 

 

[Unknown user]

21 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I suggest you listen to the full podcast 👍. 

 

I suggest you accept that continuing to pick Pereira was a massive mistake.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, PapaShango said:

I prefer a keeper that can save a shot rather than muck about with it at their feet. He was the worst goalkeeper I've ever seen at Hearts and that is from watching them for 36 years and I include Kurskis, Lee Wallace and Ian Baird in that list! I cannot recall him ever making a save of note ever. Every half decent shot at him and sometime sclaffs ended up in the net. Had we replaced him earlier no way were we finishing bottom. 

I agree Wallace and Baird were definitely better, Craig Nelson is up there but Perriera is worse because he’s a Man Utd player ffs 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️🙈.