Black Lives Matter Protest.

[Des Lynam]

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

These protesters will fade away when the pubs open up. Most are just probably bored and fancy a day out socialising.

And they need to fill Facebook with pictures showing how wonderful they are as human beings. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

These protesters will fade away when the pubs open up. Most are just probably bored and fancy a day out socialising.

I wish they would hurry up and open.

Choking for a pint.🍺

[felix]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Got a link or source for that?

I see you got it. 

Interesting and dark part of our history.

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

 

Elitists. There'll be female heirs, I'm sure. 

Yep. Mostly so.

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I don't really care whether my ancestors owned slaves or not.

Their exploits have no bearing on my path through life.

I was interested.

Your ancestors exploits surely have a bearing on your current path ?

48 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

That's because after the Union Scots discovered that London was a bit of a closed shop, so they went out into the Empire to seek their fortune - as soldiers, engineers, administrators and traders. Read any decent book about the British Empire and it will have a chapter asking "Was the British Empire a Scottish Empire?". 

You just need to look at the wealth of buildings constructed in Scotland (and England) since the Act of Union to  around 1915 to appreciate how rich we once were, and like other European colonial powers, the story of how these riches were accumulated, isn't always pretty.

If it takes the murder of black man in the US to make the point that these stories should be retold, sounds ok to me.

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Cromwell. Get his statue tae feck!

Was the "Son of a Slave Owner" on a Cromwell statue then?. While not agreeing with removing statues I'd have thought people particularly Scots (or Irish) could come up with something more relevant than the equivalent of the old Scots saying "ah kent his faither".

[ri Alban]

6 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Was the "Son of a Slave Owner" on a Cromwell statue then?. While not agreeing with removing statues I'd have thought people particularly Scots (or Irish) could come up with something more relevant than the equivalent of the old Scots saying "ah kent his faither".

Just read that the anti racism group The Green Brigade (Pro IRA filth, more like), put the signs up of Rosa Park etc... at George sq and Buchanan Street.  These ***** get away with murder. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by ri Alban

[luckyBatistuta]

Watch out Churchill and the Royal Family, you’re statues and street names are on the hit list I would presume. Wonder what they will rename the White House.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Watch out Churchill and the Royal Family, you’re statues and street names are on the hit list I would presume. Wonder what they will rename the White House.

Burn it again.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Burn it again.

[luckyBatistuta]

21 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Burn it again.

[Governor Tarkin]

32 minutes ago, felix said:

 

I was interested.

Your ancestors exploits surely have a bearing on your current path ?

 

Not really, I was born into a family with **** all, I'll inherit **** all, and anything we have now is down to hard work and good fortune. Same as the majority of folk I would imagine. 

 

If some ancestor of mine held slaves then it has had absolutely no impact on my life trajectory, although I can see how you might find it interesting. 

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Disgusting word, really is. Folk will argue your point saying that they are actually saying n#g#a, which they say is a black man with a gold rope around his neck. This in my opinion is not acceptable either.

 

The NFL have been discussing a new rule whereby any team who were to hire an ethnic minority coach would get a higher draft pick of the best players coming out of college and thus gaining an advantage over their opponents. 
 

70% of all players in the NFL are black. Of the 32 starting Quarterbacks in the 2020 NFL, 9 are black. Yet all I constantly hear is that there is racial inequality against black Quarterbacks 

 

The new ruling also states that you must now interview at least 2 ethnic minorities for any head coaching position.

 

Surely you can see if 70% of players are black and there’s only 35% starting QBs there’s an issue? Black guys are viewed as not being as clever so are less likely to be QB in HS and college. They are usually more athletic and used in other positions, but guys like Patrick Mahomes buck that trend. 
Let’s not mention Colin Kaepernick who was one the top rated QBs in his career and has been ostracised for 3 years.
The Rooney rule is being updated in the NFL and is also used in the EFL but not the EPL. Do you have a problem with that?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Burn it again.

So Trump can “inspect” the underground bunker 🐔🐥🐣

[Adam Murray]

 Some food for thought.

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 Some food for thought.

 

 

I posted the same video a few pages back, ignored.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 Some food for thought.

 

Any chance that you could post and argue about your own views rather than blindly and blandly posting YouTube video clips from politically-biased sources?

 

Cheers.

[luckyBatistuta]

9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Surely you can see if 70% of players are black and there’s only 35% starting QBs there’s an issue? Black guys are viewed as not being as clever so are less likely to be QB in HS and college. They are usually more athletic and used in other positions, but guys like Patrick Mahomes buck that trend. 
Let’s not mention Colin Kaepernick who was one the top rated QBs in his career and has been ostracised for 3 years.
The Rooney rule is being updated in the NFL and is also used in the EFL but not the EPL. Do you have a problem with that?

Are they not just picking up the best QB’s in the draft?

 

 

Colin Kaepernick is a way overrated QB. He was incredible when he broke through, but once D coaches found him out and schemed for him, he was doing nothing special.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Watch out Churchill and the Royal Family, you’re statues and street names are on the hit list I would presume. Wonder what they will rename the White House.

Gladstone is also a target along with virtually every prime minister down to Wilson (with Blair surely a late, post-imperial entrant) . But every statue and memorial to every king and queen and other royal who presided over slavery and/or the empire must surely go including Liz's head (from stamps at least!) Then we have the Founding Fathers of the USA who owned or condoned slavery (all men are created equal in the Declaration of Independence did not of course apply to slaves … or Native Americans). Even the "Great Emancipator" Lincoln was not really anti slavery but primarily pro-Union ("if I could save the Union by freeing all the slaves I would so, if I could save it by freeing none I would do so, if by freeing some but not all I would do so". The slaves were "freed" when it became clear it helped the Union cause. So a cull of monuments in Washington and every American city, and on US banknotes notes must follow. It may take longer to get round to Mandela and Gandhi,  or Karl Marx in Highgate Cemetry but their time will surely come.

 

Then of course on to the oppression of women...

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Are they not just picking up the best QB’s in the draft?

 

 

Colin Kaepernick is a way overrated QB. He was incredible when he broke through, but once D coaches found him out and schemed for him, he was doing nothing special.

He’s still a better QB than many of the guys playing or sitting on the bench. Yes they are so the problem goes deeper than the NFL which was my point.

[Pasquale for King]

Well done Sean.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/its-about-everyone-against-racists-hearts-ace-sean-clare-opens-black-lives-matter-movement-and-attending-london-rally-2879986

[Jambo-Jimbo]

11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Not really, I was born into a family with **** all, I'll inherit **** all, and anything we have now is down to hard work and good fortune. Same as the majority of folk I would imagine. 

 

If some ancestor of mine held slaves then it has had absolutely no impact on my life trajectory, although I can see how you might find it interesting. 

 

Same here.

 

I checked that site and unsurprisingly none of mine nor Mrs JJ's ancestors owned any slaves, but I knew that already having done the research into both our families and we both come from ordinary bog standard stock, miners, fishermen, farm labourers, general labourers, shoemakers, stonemasons, domestic servants etc etc etc, no land owners, no shipping magnates, no sugar plantation owners and no slave owners either.

 

My family, just like yours and 99% of everyone else were just ordinary people trying their best to survive and put food on the table day by day.

[luckyBatistuta]

15 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He’s still a better QB than many of the guys playing or sitting on the bench. Yes they are so the problem goes deeper than the NFL which was my point.

So if you owned your own business, you would want to hire someone who is going disrupt your workforce and possibly damage your business and potentially cost you a vast sum of your income, just so you can turn around and tell everyone you are a good guy. If he had the talent of a Wilson or Newton, he would have a starting QB role, that I’m 100% convinced of. He just wasn’t as good as you and others make him out to be.

[reaths17]

why all the angst about something that supports segregation. if they want support, then surely "all lives matter" and not, just their gang.

 

I, as well as the rest of you have seen all the stats about how many have shot who etc and that this cause is idolising someone who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, this really isn't about racism, its more about some ashole with a badge being a bully and I don't think that bullying is a black people only past time for bullies.

[Beni]

[Adam Murray]

32 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I posted the same video a few pages back, ignored.

 

You can see why it would be ignored.

[The Real Maroonblood]

27 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Well done Sean.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/its-about-everyone-against-racists-hearts-ace-sean-clare-opens-black-lives-matter-movement-and-attending-london-rally-2879986

Does he stay in London?

[Adam Murray]

33 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Any chance that you could post and argue about your own views rather than blindly and blandly posting YouTube video clips from politically-biased sources?

 

Cheers.

 

Came across the video by chance, no idea which way politically it lies, does it matter? The words have been spoken by prominent members of the black community in America.

Why does everything these day's need to be seen as being politically motivated in one way or another?

Thought it probably had more context in regarding the fight for equality in the US and more widespread than a few people, more than likely white, if the average face in the Hearts crowd is anything to go by have, although everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My views on the matter, now that you ask, is that the guy shouldn't have died in the manner that he did.

Protests should not have happened in the manner that they did, due the current pandemic.

And random acts of violence and vandalism are just wrong.

 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Adam Murray said:

 Some food for thought.

 

 

Food for thought is right. Certainly more food for thought than the trite slogans on demonstrators placards. Silence =violence, no-one is equal until everyone is equal . And so on. Generally I think the comments tend toward complacency on the part of relatively well off and privileged people.

But they reflect points made by Jesse Jackson years ago about the need for some personal responsibility however difficult ,,, for example in being a father to your children. And the black on  black killing statistiics suggest that too many blacks act as if black lives don't matter.

Other deprived and poor sectors of society have not suffered quite the same disastrous breakdown  of family units as black America. 

I shouldn't have to say it but of course that doesn't excuse police brutality nor the contribution racism in society has made to the position of blacks in America and elsewhere.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Francis Albert

[benny]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

He’s still a better QB than many of the guys playing or sitting on the bench. Yes they are so the problem goes deeper than the NFL which was my point.

He wasn't for the 49'ers.

Found out and they got better.

I'm sure 49'er or any other team couldn't care about colour of skin.

[Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

I posted the same video a few pages back, ignored.

It's a very thought provoking video but how dare black Americans say that it's all propaganda and misinformation when white Oliver and Fifi Trixabelle from the Edinburgh Antifa branch clearly know better.

[Dawnrazor]

7 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It's a very thought provoking video but how dare black Americans say that it's all propaganda and misinformation when white Oliver and Fifi Trixabelle from the Edinburgh Antifa branch clearly know better.

😆 my sentiments e exactly. 

[Dawnrazor]

59 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 

You can see why it would be ignored.

Yep, and why someone would comment that you stop posting stuff like this and post your own thoughts and arguments, I mean, how dare you look for the opinions of black americans on a black american problem to educate youself, you must obviously be a racist.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Columbus statue toppled in Virginia, Gone with the Wind pulled by HBO Max, Cops TV show cancelled after 32 years - and that's just what I read in the last two minutes. The pace of this is exhilarating.  Great stuff. Long overdue. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, luckyBatistuta said:

So if you owned your own business, you would want to hire someone who is going disrupt your workforce and possibly damage your business and potentially cost you a vast sum of your income, just so you can turn around and tell everyone you are a good guy. If he had the talent of a Wilson or Newton, he would have a starting QB role, that I’m 100% convinced of. He just wasn’t as good as you and others make him out to be.

What makes you think someone of colour would disrupt your workforce? You hire the best person for the job no matter what the colour of their skin is, the point is people of colour are not even given the opportunity because of thoughts like you’ve intimated up there. You could say the same about working class folk or the disabled, positive discrimination has its merits.

As for Kaepernick you are probably correct but do you think there are 90-100 better QBs than him in the NFL? He should most likely be a back up somewhere, he has been discriminated against.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Columbus statue toppled in Virginia, Gone with the Wind pulled by HBO Max, Cops TV show cancelled after 32 years - and that's just what I read in the last two minutes. The pace of this is exhilarating.  Great stuff. Long overdue. 

Brilliant isn’t it.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Does he stay in London?

Does it matter, they can travel around England?

[Pasquale for King]

19 minutes ago, benny said:

He wasn't for the 49'ers.

Found out and they got better.

I'm sure 49'er or any other team couldn't care about colour of skin.

As a 49ers fan I would dispute that, our QB is nothing special and can’t really affect the game as Kaepernick could. We are a great running team and his play action is amazing but when we need to pass we struggle, as the Super bowl showed.

The fact that nobody has given him a chance shows most teams owners, none of whom have backed BLM in any way, shows they do care about the colour of your skin. I used to be on the FB fans page and the arguments make this place look sane.

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, Adam Murray said:

 

Came across the video by chance, no idea which way politically it lies, does it matter? The words have been spoken by prominent members of the black community in America.

Why does everything these day's need to be seen as being politically motivated in one way or another?

Thought it probably had more context in regarding the fight for equality in the US and more widespread than a few people, more than likely white, if the average face in the Hearts crowd is anything to go by have, although everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My views on the matter, now that you ask, is that the guy shouldn't have died in the manner that he did.

Protests should not have happened in the manner that they did, due the current pandemic.

And random acts of violence and vandalism are just wrong.

 

 

Thanks for the reply, Adam.

 

The video's creators describe themselves as: "MRCTV is an online media platform designed to broadcast conservative values, culture, politics, liberal media bias, and entertainment to a new and diverse audience on a social media optimized site." I just personally prefer us to grab facts from the web (duly vetted of course ) but to form our own opinions. There are too many folk out there on the web with an agenda and it is too easy to be drawn into those agendas.

 

Anyway, back to the issue in question. I have to admit that I probably have views that are contrary to many of the views expressed on here. I think that a significant problem with racism does exist and that BAME minorities are discriminated against. I also believe that the States in particular has a problem with heavy-handed police actions, but the large proportion of gun ownership may well be a significant contributor to that. I think that both issues should be kept active in the public mind until they are issues no longer.

 

On the other hand I abhor violence against other people. I also detest looting and the destruction of private businesses who are innocents in all this. A minority of BLM protestors have indulged in those acts, including I would imagine a number of folk who don't have the movement at heart but just ride it piggy-back for the violence and looting. Wherever possible they should be identified and prosecuted.

 

I agree that the demonstrations shouldn't have happened, but can understand why they did in the States. It annoys me greatly that they are taking place in the UK. Why is it that when America catches cold, the rest of the world has to sneeze? At any other time, I would be pleased to see folk out demonstrating peacefully. I think that such acts are important in a society which wants to continually improve itself and the life of its citizens. But doing so right now in the middle of a pandemic, I'm not too pleased about at all. It's selfish and it endangers our recovery from the pandemic. We could have chosen other, net-related, activities and waited until the pandemic was over to get out there and demonstrate.

 

In saying that, I am pleased that they threw Colston's statue into the water in Bristol. Slavery was atrocious and the perpetrators of it should not be celebrated. I am annoyed that they didn't social distance properly though in doing so. Isn't that weird. I also think that we should examine, carefully and thoughtfully, whether other slavers or perpetrators of slavery are so celebrated, and consider what we should do about it. But not right now, and not in mob fashion. The demonstrators in Bristol have made their point, let's look at this with sober minds now.

 

Actually, looking back at your post, it seems we agree about quite a bit. I'd rather do it this way though than vicariously through other people's videos. Thanks again for your post.

Edited June 10, 2020 by redjambo

[MR INCREDIBLE]

Another demo planned for Saturday in Edinburgh.... Be good to see some resistance.... Bars of soap should be enough to see of most of the tree huggers. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Does it matter, they can travel around England?

As long as he didn't travel from Scotland. 

Hopefully he obeyed the social distancing rules.

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

As long as he didn't travel from Scotland. 

Hopefully he obeyed the social distancing rules.

I would imagine he moved back down there when this all kicked off. Gerrard and Defoe are back down there, surely they shouldn’t be allowed back into Scotland 🤷🏾‍♂️?

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

Another demo planned for Saturday in Edinburgh.... Be good to see some resistance.... Bars of soap should be enough to see of most of the tree huggers. 

Resistance? Are you advocating violence as Tommy Robinson has? I’ll take the soap though to wash my hands for 20 seconds. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

I would imagine he moved back down there when this all kicked off. Gerrard and Defoe are back down there, surely they shouldn’t be allowed back into Scotland 🤷🏾‍♂️?

Definitely Gerrard and Defoe..

Not Sean.

[Adam Murray]

As an aside, when did the phrase 'BAME' come into modern vocabulary, the news and msm?

 

I've been married to a woman of ethnic minority for 20 years now, and neither of us, nor her family or friends had heard this phrase up until this current pandemic.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Adam Murray

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Gladstone is also a target along with virtually every prime minister down to Wilson (with Blair surely a late, post-imperial entrant) . But every statue and memorial to every king and queen and other royal who presided over slavery and/or the empire must surely go including Liz's head (from stamps at least!) Then we have the Founding Fathers of the USA who owned or condoned slavery (all men are created equal in the Declaration of Independence did not of course apply to slaves … or Native Americans). Even the "Great Emancipator" Lincoln was not really anti slavery but primarily pro-Union ("if I could save the Union by freeing all the slaves I would so, if I could save it by freeing none I would do so, if by freeing some but not all I would do so". The slaves were "freed" when it became clear it helped the Union cause. So a cull of monuments in Washington and every American city, and on US banknotes notes must follow. It may take longer to get round to Mandela and Gandhi,  or Karl Marx in Highgate Cemetry but their time will surely come.

 

Then of course on to the oppression of women...

 

Indeed, once you start these things where does it stop?

[MR INCREDIBLE]

21 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Resistance? Are you advocating violence as Tommy Robinson has? I’ll take the soap though to wash my hands for 20 seconds. 

The only violence I have seen so far has been the savages attacking the police at the weekend. 

[Ray Gin]

39 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

Another demo planned for Saturday in Edinburgh.... Be good to see some resistance.... Bars of soap should be enough to see of most of the tree huggers. 

 

Resistance? As in a bunch of racist pricks having a go? Nah.

 

It would, however, be good to see them delay it by a couple of months until Covid-19 is less of a threat. 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Resistance? As in a bunch of racist pricks having a go? Nah.

 

It would, however, be good to see them delay it by a couple of months until Covid-19 is less of a threat. 

 

Delay it.

No chance as they couldn’t give a shit about the pandemic.

Selfish a*******s.

[Pasquale for King]

23 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

The only violence I have seen so far has been the savages attacking the police at the weekend. 

Savages? Nice choice of words there. 

[Dawnrazor]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/907179/BBC-racism-diversity-Radio-1-Newsbeat-discrimination-internship-journalism-Open-Access

Is this right?

[Francis Albert]

50 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

As an aside, when did the phrase 'BAME' come into modern vocabulary, the news and msm?

 

I've been married to a woman of ethnic minority for 20 years now, and neither of us, nor her family or friends had heard this phrase up until this current pandemic.

 

It's been around for a while  Always slightly annoyed me that non-black ethnic minorities are reduced in effect to "and others" despite outnumbering "black"  people. And of course black has for a while been synonymous with non-white also a bit controversially for some. And BAME is To  top it all a pretty ugly  word or acronym . Or whatever it is.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Francis Albert