SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[gnasher75]

Just now, queensferryjambo said:

 

 

I think the use of executive powers will never happen and in fact I am sure the SPFL made a statement saying they wouldn't use them only a few days ago.

 

An SPFL "source" said that possibly to ensure clubs didn't vote against knowing the Board would overrule. But I agree it is unlikely unless the final vote is 40-2 with 2 being Premiership clubs.

[Boyces beard]

7 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Been some absolute drivel posted on here by people who clearly had no idea what was happening 

The two guys who seem to be in the know both said the vote would fail with most likely around 30 team in favour, i have seen nothing to suggest anything different as of yet.

Lets just get the court proceedings started and see how things progress from there.

Edited June 15, 2020 by jambo3tevie

[Gordon Ramsay]

1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

“This reconstruction is going to get the support it needs.”

 

”Even if it doesn’t, the SPFL will take an executive decision to force it though.”

 

Fairytales

 

Some people shown up to be spouting complete nonsense. 

[Norm]

15 hours ago, BM1874 said:

Here’s an alternative reconstruction theory

 

12-16-16

Keep top flight as 12, protect the old firm
And their precious status quo 

Championship teams + top 6 in league 1 last year make the ‘new championship’
Bottom 4 league 1, the  10 league 2 and the lowland / highland league champions make league 1

Premiership stays as is
New Championship and league 1 are 30 game, 1 home 1 away

Champions promoted to premiership 2nd place play off v the 2nd bottom Premiership

Bottom 2 in championship relegated automatically, top 2 league 1 promoted straight away
Bottom 2 league 1 relegated, highland / lowland league winners replace them 

Relegated teams from league 1 go into the league they are geographically assigned to

 

 

 

dont get me wrong, I HATE the 12 team Top tier and split thing, and having a league of 16 (championship) with only 1 promotion automatically and a playoff isn’t ideal, but working with what I’ve got.

 

its just something I’ve thought up this afternoon but would appreciate any feedback. 

Never going to happen. Why would clubs want less games? Less games means less money. We need to find a way to have the same number of games or more. 

[Tokyo Drifter]

Clubs vote against league reconstruction

Hearts will play in the Championship next season.

The Daily Record report that clubs have put forward their voting plans for a 14-10-10-10 system and it has not gained enough support.

Three Premiership clubs are reported to be against the proposals.

More to follow

[Tokyo Drifter]

Which three clubs, I wonder ...

[Last Laff]

Just now, Chuck Berry said:

 

If the leagues were played to a finish, Partick finish 8th, Raith/Falkirk win league, Raith/Falkirk win play-off. All three in the Championship next season.  That scenario was very achievable, so whilst Partick's situation in being relegated is outrageous, Falkirk can also feel very aggrieved.

They of course can.  Not on our level though.  Probably more than Stranraer but I’m past empathy with any other clubs apart from Partick now.  Another mistake is people actually thinking they huns are our pals  

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

While true if the leagues finished to an end one of they teams would be still in the league 1.  It’s hard to feel sorry for every single team in any position as hearts are being totally shafted.  

Yeah one of them would. I find it quite easy to feel sorry for every team disadvantaged. We’ve been totally screwed but I can still see how other sides have been shafted as well. 14-10-10-10 corrected a lot of the damage. 

[MCW1976]

I’m going to stick to my belief that we will stay up. I’ve thought so from the start. 
 

Even with all the news suggesting it’s curtains, I still cannot logically accept the fact that it’s enforceable.
 

It’s even clearer when you take your Hearts glasses off. It is to me, anyway.
 

The SPFL are specialists in cluster****ery. Why should that change now?

 

I’m going to stick to my core beliefs. I’ll accept my error, if and when I see the Premiership start without Hearts amongst it.

 

Reconstruction had been killed off a dozen times in the last 10 weeks - yet, still it breathes.

[stevie1874]

1 minute ago, bobskeldon said:

I'm not sure that is a particularly pertinent issue for AB! 

I would think our club more than any other should be listening to what the supporters want. 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, jambo3tevie said:

The two guys who seem to be in the know both said the vote would fail with most likely around 30 team in favour, i have seen nothing to suggest anything different as of yet.

Lets just get the court proceedings started and see how things progress from there.

They said Doncaster would force it through and there would be enough voted in the Prem to do so.  A load of shite.  Doncaster doesn’t tie his own shoelaces let alone go rouge. 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Last Laff

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

6 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Been some absolute drivel posted on here by people who clearly had no idea what was happening 

I would say the opposite. 

 

Those people have maintained a vote would be rejected. 

 

Attitudes will only change when legal action is instigated. 

 

A long road to get to that point,  we have been extremely patient in that respect 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Yeah one of them would. I find it quite easy to feel sorry for every team disadvantaged. We’ve been totally screwed but I can still see how other sides have been shafted as well. 14-10-10-10 corrected a lot of the damage. 

100%.  I do feel sorry for them also but now is the time to focus on ourselves.  Joint legal action with Falkirk and Stranraer? No chance.  Partick maybe but after that leave no flaws in any action bid.  

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 minute ago, Last Laff said:

They said Doncaster would force it through and there would be enough voted in the Prem to do so.  A load of shite.  Doncaster doesn’t tie his own shoelaces let alone go rouge. 

He hasn't been threatened with the interdict yet so why would he 

[Hearts1975]

18 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

If we go with the undeniable fact the action is in breach of anti-competitive laws, then the expulsion can be ruled unlawful as per France and Belgium.

I guess that’s the bit I am unsure on. In the event that this is deemed unlawful can it be overturned, and if so, how do they go about forcing an expansion assuming Dundee Utd still go up ?

 

i kinda posed the same question to @EthanHunt a minute ago. I realise it’s a really difficult question and I can’t get my own head around it, hence me asking. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Last Laff said:

They said Doncaster would force it through and there would be enough voted in the Prem to do so.  A load of shite. 

I don’t see how anyone could have known what Doncaster would do tbh. I get people have links to the club but I seriously doubt whether Doncaster would have let anyone at hearts know that he’d force it through. Would make a mockery of the vote. 

[_maroonplatoon]

Worrying times ahead for Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell and Aberdeen with regards to European Football, would be a real shame if they were stopped from competing in Europe due to court action. 🤷‍♂️

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, Sir Gio said:

I would say the opposite. 

 

Those people have maintained a vote would be rejected. 

 

Attitudes will only change when legal action is instigated. 

 

A long road to get to that point,  we have been extremely patient in that respect 

The champagne was meant to come out at the weekend and they got told votes where changing to our advantage big time until Monday when we would be safe when Doncaster pushes it through.  Now it’s court or bust, something that was staring in the face of everyone as soon as the 14 permanent league was the only show in town.  

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Just now, _maroonplatoon said:

Worrying times ahead for Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell and Aberdeen with regards to European Football, would be a real shame if they were stopped from competing in Europe due to court action. 🤷‍♂️

I just hope issues like this don’t give Budge cold feet. She’s not the best at taking difficult decisions 

[The Verminator]

10 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Been some absolute drivel posted on here by people who clearly had no idea what was happening 

The ITK crowg - trying to make themselves look important. I`m just as angry with them for getting my hopes up and then saying, oh, such and such changed their mind - absolute bollocks

[Boyces beard]

1 minute ago, Last Laff said:

They said Doncaster would force it through and there would be enough voted in the Prem to do so.  A load of shite.  Doncaster doesn’t tie his own shoelaces let alone go rouge. 

I agree with you mate that doncaster wont force it through. However if he was going to, it was never going to be within 2 hours of the meeting today.

[Seymour M Hersh]

4 minutes ago, Tokyo Drifter said:

Which three clubs, I wonder ...

 

Well if you had bothered to read the thread a little more closely you would have seen this several pages back. 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, Sir Gio said:

He hasn't been threatened with the interdict yet so why would he 

I’m sure he knows what’s coming his way when the rest of Scottish football is talking about it.  Although he could be waiting for doctors to come on this afternoon and be oblivious to it all 

[Fozzyonthefence]

39 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

After we go to court and win, can you imagine the tea time news? All these diddy club chairman being interviewed about them owing us 200k a piece and unable to pay. Then us just filing  winding up orders one by one and watching their slow painful death..... Cannae wait. I'll be having jelly and ice-cream. 

I thought it was just going to get taken out the tv money pot?  So say £7m or whatever less in the pot with the same percentages applied.  Of course, that would mean that Celtic would pay the most and so on whereas they seemed to want an equal share of 1/42 for everyone. 

[Last Laff]

Just now, jambo3tevie said:

I agree with you mate that doncaster wont force it through. However if he was going to, it was never going to be within 2 hours of the meeting today.

True. 👍. It’s today or never though and if not it’s a statement from the club that court action is now happening. 

[Dazo]

1 minute ago, Last Laff said:

The champagne was meant to come out at the weekend and they got told votes where changing to our advantage big time until Monday when we would be safe when Doncaster pushes it through.  Now it’s court or bust, something that was staring in the face of everyone as soon as the 14 permanent league was the only show in town.  

I would say a 9-3 vote would give the spfl board a mandate to push it through if they wanted to. 

[AndrewB]

Just now, Last Laff said:

I’m sure he knows what’s coming his way when the rest of Scottish football is talking about it.  Although he could be waiting for doctors to come on this afternoon and be oblivious to it all 

Was very emotional last week with Rumer at death's door.

[bigsuperslim1874]

Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I just hope issues like this don’t give Budge cold feet. She’s not the best at taking difficult decisions 

I don’t think there is any doubt she will. To do nothing would impact us to the tune of £5m - this is a different ball game to the procrastination over Levein.

[The Wrinkly Ninja]

20 minutes ago, Shanks said:

Wonder if the usual crowd will be on to say ‘no we can’t go to court we have to continue to explore every avenue, we have to wait etc etc’ 

 

By ‘usual crowd’ are you including the legal team who are advising us on the case and will be representing us in court? 

 

[martoon]

5 minutes ago, MCW1976 said:

I’m going to stick to my belief that we will stay up. I’ve thought so from the start. 
 

Even with all the news suggesting it’s curtains, I still cannot logically accept the fact that it’s enforceable.
 

It’s even clearer when you take your Hearts glasses off. It is to me, anyway.
 

The SPFL are specialists in cluster****ery. Why should that change now?

 

I’m going to stick to my core beliefs. I’ll accept my error, if and when I see the Premiership start without Hearts amongst it.

 

Reconstruction had been killed off a dozen times in the last 10 weeks - yet, still it breathes.

 

Count me in on that. 

 

 

[Boyces beard]

Just now, Last Laff said:

True. 👍. It’s today or never though and if not it’s a statement from the club that court action is now happening. 

100% should have been done at the end of last week to put even more pressure on todays vote imo.

[Last Laff]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I don’t see how anyone could have known what Doncaster would do tbh. I get people have links to the club but I seriously doubt whether Doncaster would have let anyone at hearts know that he’d force it through. Would make a mockery of the vote. 

Yep.  If he was preparing to use his balls for the first time in his life he wouldn’t be sharing it with anyone.  

[CJGJ]

12 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

BBC still non-committal.

 

If it is failing I'd take 9-3 with United switching after getting promoted not on the pitch and the other 2 being Hibs and that hypocritical religious nut job at County.

 

  

Sorry but there is a far more clear cut party..St Mirren along with Ross County have never changed their no position

 

Aberdeen were also against permanent change

 

Hibs have been very quiet and have never said no publicly clearly looking after their interests in not causing any 'Edinburgh arguments' until they have to

 

Dundee United have indicated no and has I stated in an earlier post we could have a club who never won promotion deciding the fate of our football in this country

 

And just who knows if either of the Glasgow sides have taken a firm decision

[PTBCAL]

2 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I just hope issues like this don’t give Budge cold feet. She’s not the best at taking difficult decisions 

From what I understood as of Friday

 

 Compensation only 

 

Could change obviously 

[kingantti1874]

I have to say my preference is now to go down and take the compensation and that compensation should be the focus of legal action.
 

it will prove us correct and we won’t have to listen to bullshit about being “saved” 

 

we can get rid of some of the deadwood and start again. 

others  feel differently but that’s where I’m at.
 

 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

I would say a 9-3 vote would give the spfl board a mandate to push it through if they wanted to. 

Nah.  Then you would have the mockery of the rules when all the clubs vote 9-3 to get rid of the 10-2 vote permanently which is there for the old firm. 

[davemclaren]

I feels like we have been expelled/relegated about five times in the last three months. 🤔

[Hungry hippo]

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I just hope issues like this don’t give Budge cold feet. She’s not the best at taking difficult decisions 

 

Wage cuts were the most difficult decision and she was the most bold CEO in the UK.

[parwj]

Radio Scotland just now saying waiting on information 

[ford donald]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

I would say a 9-3 vote would give the spfl board a mandate to push it through if they wanted to. 

 

Yes,he did say if there was enough of a majority,EGM would go ahead,they can make it happen,very foolish if it does not happen.

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Sorry but there is a far more clear cut party..St Mirren along with Ross County have never changed their no position

 

Aberdeen were also against permanent change

 

Hibs have been very quiet and have never said no publicly clearly looking after their interests in not causing any 'Edinburgh arguments' until they have to

 

Dundee United have indicated no and has I stated in an earlier post we could have a club who never won promotion deciding the fate of our football in this country

 

And just who knows if either of the Glasgow sides have taken a firm decision

 

So that's 5 or 6 against 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Mikey1874

[Beni]

8 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

They said Doncaster would force it through and there would be enough voted in the Prem to do so.  A load of shite.  Doncaster doesn’t tie his own shoelaces let alone go rouge. 

 

Let's hope he ends up red faced!!

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, CJGJ said:

Sorry but there is a far more clear cut party..St Mirren along with Ross County have never changed their no position

 

Aberdeen were also against permanent change

 

Hibs have been very quiet and have never said no publicly clearly looking after their interests in not causing any 'Edinburgh arguments' until they have to

 

Dundee United have indicated no and has I stated in an earlier post we could have a club who never won promotion deciding the fate of our football in this country

 

And just who knows if either of the Glasgow sides have taken a firm decision

St Mirren do what Celtic tell them to do

[Saint Jambo]

13 minutes ago, AndrewB said:

The thing about the DR story is that the vote is "indicative."  So if three say "actually we're against" that tells ND he needs to speak to the three and try to convince them because the majority are for.  I actually don't think three "indicating" no now means it is actually dead.

 

However, I would be happy if the three said "we are voting no and NOTHING will make us change."  In that case, there would be no point in an EGM, so ND can say so and we can serve papers.  The stalling process does not help us re the new season, unless we are in the Championship, which obviously starts later.  I don't want to be in the Championship, even with a sweetener, because I can see the drawbridge being pulled up by Ross C, Hamilton, St Mirren, Hibs regarding promotion and relegation through some fatuous argument.

 

I agree. I'll wait for the SPFL statement later today. It certainly seems within the realms of possibility that if the indicative vote looks like carrying in the three lower leagues and the Premiership is 75% in favour with only 2 clubs needed to change their vote to push it through, that the SPFL Board might then decide it is worth putting to a formal vote. Other clubs can then have what the media were so keen to describe as 'normal robust business conversations' (and in no way bullying) with the three rebels. Worth remembering that this proposal is now the view of the SPFL Board. It would seem slightly odd for them to give up on what they deem to be in the best interest of the company for the sake of needing to change the minds of two members. If the SPFL Board push it to a formal vote then I'd expect Budge to hold off legal action to allow that vote to take place.

 

Of course if it turns out the number of clubs against is much higher then the Board probably won't pursue it.

[bigsuperslim1874]

1 minute ago, PTBCAL said:

From what I understood as of Friday

 

 Compensation only 

 

Could change obviously 

I don’t get that thinking (if true) when every other country to challenge it has so far been almost universally positive in terms of outcomes for affected clubs? The compensation should only ever be a last resort.

[maroonedinoz]

5 minutes ago, The Verminator said:

The ITK crowg - trying to make themselves look important. I`m just as angry with them for getting my hopes up and then saying, oh, such and such changed their mind - absolute bollocks

I think we ‘ve all been about long enough to take most ITKposts with a large pinch of salt.

 

I never thought it would be anything other than legal action.

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

Nah.  Then you would have the mockery of the rules when all the clubs vote 9-3 to get rid of the 10-2 vote permanently which is there for the old firm. 

 

But it’s also in the rules for the board to do this. So how is it a mockery? Unless it doesn’t suit your narrative then working within the rules can’t be a mockery. 

[colinzeal]

3 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

From what I understood as of Friday

 

 Compensation only 

 

Could change obviously 

Would be really disappointed if that was the case. Especially with the way things have played out across the rest of Europe!

[Fozzyonthefence]

4 minutes ago, The Wrinkly Ninja said:

 

By ‘usual crowd’ are you including the legal team who are advising us on the case and will be representing us in court? 

 

The French and Belgian clubs didn’t seem too worried about wasting time and exploring every angle first.   It seems to be working out pretty well for them. 

[Jodami]

Just now, kingantti1874 said:

I have to say my preference is now to go down and take the compensation and that compensation should be the focus of legal action.
 

it will prove us correct and we won’t have to listen to bullshit about being “saved” 

 

we can get rid of some of the deadwood and start again. 

others  feel differently but that’s where I’m at.
 

 

100% agree with you on every point. I really couldn't stomach the hypocrisy of people who wanted us demoted claiming they kept us up. The money hurts them much more, particularly in the current climate.

We desperately need to reset on the pitch as well and taking the time to do that while not losing out financially makes sense.