Scottish Football officially suspended

[The Real Maroonblood]

50 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Is TJ suddenly the number one expert on CoVid 19? 

It would appear so.

[Benny Factor]

5 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Are you going to the game?

His game is not until tomorrow, Geoff.

[John Gentleman]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

There is no cure for flu and you are more at risk from it if you are old (as I am) or have one or more of the medical conditions you list. I get the fact this  thing  is new and it's effects unknown and of course agree with sensible precautions. But also recognise the risk of over-reaction that will do more harm.than good.

Welcome to the world of risk management FA, which for better or worse I get to practise every day at work. The maxim is, "If you can't eliminate risk then you have to take measures to mitigate (minimise) risk". This is what governments have largely been doing (dishonourable mentions to Italy, Iran & S.Korea where the genies truly escaped the bottles). So far their actions have been reasonable and proportional. If the virus's reproduction number increases then governments will have no option but to introduce further restrictions. I don't think, for example, a ban on international air travel would be inconceivable. Of Australia's 63 confirmed cases >85% had recent air-travel history from the previously mentioned belligerents, plus China. Not too difficult work out where the problem lies, is it? There is some good news though: the reproduction number is now down to 1:0.8 in China, ie. 1 infected person is now infecting 0.8 persons. Two weeks ago the ratio was 1:1.2. That's a 27% drop.

 

As Lord BJ says above, the global economic impacts could well have a bigger effect than the (undeclared) pandemic. The first to buckle will be transport industries, but then a long list will follow. These days no country is a self-sufficient island. Global supply chains are long and interconnected. Inventories are kept low. No companies these days keep warehouses full of stock. It'll be very interesting to see how this will play out over the coming months.

[joondalupjambo]

7 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Good point. 

 

Behind closed doors play off for relegation. 

😭😭😭😭

 

I've been to Newcastle, Glasgow, Dublin, Manchester, Liverpool, York and Leeds in the past week. 

And Aberdeen. 

 

I'll be at the football and rugby tommorow and Sunday , likely a few pubs. 

 

If I have it, appoligies to everyone in the UK. 🙄

 

 

Unless you have been going by train, walking or cycling rather than by car or plane to all these places then I am more worried about a possible horrendously large carbon footprint for all this travel 

[IveSeenTheLight]

8 hours ago, John Gentleman said:

They now have immunity and are unable to contract or spread the virus a second time*.

absolute bollox 

There is no evidence that it reacts like chicken pox.

 

Because you get the flu, it doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

6 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

absolute bollox 

There is no evidence that it reacts like chicken pox.

 

Because you get the flu, it doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again.

Both statements are actually true. While the virus exists in its present form, if you have had the virus then your body will ward off any "re-invasion".  When it mutates, it will cause the body a problem but it will be sufficiently alike to the previous one to make it less impactful.

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Both statements are actually true. While the virus exists in its present form, if you have had the virus then your body will ward off any "re-invasion".  When it mutates, it will cause the body a problem but it will be sufficiently alike to the previous one to make it less impactful.

Whilst the body learns the pathogen and improves its effectiveness to fight the virus, it’s is not immunisation and does not eradicate the possibility of you catching or spreading the virus.

This is what John Gentleman was saying.

[John Gentleman]

4 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

absolute bollox 

There is no evidence that it reacts like chicken pox.

You haven't read all of my post, have you?

 

Because you get the flu, it doesn’t mean you can’t catch it again.

But you won't catch the same strain again. That why our flu vaccines change year-on-year in line with the new strains which seasonally appear in the northern/southern hemispheres. No vaccine is 100% effective, but the flu ones are effective enough to build herd immunity and keep it pretty well contained. Sure, some years are worse than others, but that's life – a constant battle between our immune systems and pathological invaders.

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

11 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

Whilst the body learns the pathogen and improves its effectiveness to fight the virus, it’s is not immunisation and does not eradicate the possibility of you catching or spreading the virus.

This is what John Gentleman was saying.

I'm not sure he actually was saying that.

[Bazzas right boot]

28 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Unless you have been going by train, walking or cycling rather than by car or plane to all these places then I am more worried about a possible horrendously large carbon footprint for all this travel 

 

Train. 

👍

All advanced tickets, much cheapness. 

[jr ewing]

11 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

Whilst the body learns the pathogen and improves its effectiveness to fight the virus, it’s is not immunisation and does not eradicate the possibility of you catching or spreading the virus.

This is what John Gentleman was saying.

Catching the virus does not mean that you will go on to contract the disease. 

[Bazzas right boot]

6 hours ago, Last Laff said:

If your mum and dad aren’t deceased then I would avoid going for dinner after the rugby.   If you have any friends or anyone that’s immune system is down by having chemo or other ways I would suggest avoiding too.  Maybe wee babies also.  Seems like a good laugh tho: **** knows why. Virus is spreading with no antidote and the professionals, not the government mouthpieces or the NHS drs have no idea when a antidote will be found or how severe it can get because the virus is getting stronger and moving faster.  Fair play for every governing body for taking this extremely seriously, because in the next week or two it’s going to get mental.

 

 

I don't have the virus. 

 

If I did, like if I had a bad cold or the flu I'd avoid the groups you mention. 

 

Also, for the avoidance of doubt I wasn't going about licking everyone's face and rubbing against each other. 

 

 

 

 

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, John Gentleman said:

The truthful answer is nobody knows, hence the resources being deployed to minimise spread.

What will happen is infections will follow a 'bellcurve' path. In the early stages, infections will increase exponentially, which is what we're seeing now. At some point, they'll flatten out before diminishing rapidly. That's due to the phenomenon of 'herd immunity'. By way of explanation (I've rounded out the numbers) 102,000 people have contracted Covid-19 to date. 56,000 have recovered. They now have immunity and are unable to contract or spread the virus a second time*. Of the remaining 46,000, 3,500 have died, leaving 42,500 potential 'spreaders'. That's why containment, by any means, is so important. The aim is to increase immunity relative to new cases. If successful, the bellcurve will be flatter and shorter than it would be if everyone went about their business as normal. It's really a global exercise in short term inconvenience for long term gain.

* There's been one case, in Japan, of a woman (apparently) presenting twice with Covid-19. Scientists are doubtful that her case represents a 'double-infection'. More likely, she never fully recovered from the first infection. 

This was the post I commented on,  absolutely nothing about new strains

[John Gentleman]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I'm not sure he actually was saying that.

You're right. That's definitely what I wasn't saying.

[IveSeenTheLight]

3 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Catching the virus does not mean that you will go on to contract the disease. 

I accept that, hence you can still be a carrier though

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

This was the post I commented on,  absolutely nothing about new strains

Then you should have read the context. It wasn't difficult.

[IveSeenTheLight]

Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Then you should have read the context. It wasn't difficult.

Sorry, but in the post I commented on, he made a factual error, which I pointed out

[Shanks]

My predictions is the season ends on 33 games.  Scottish cup semis and final played behind closed doors. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

31 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

Sorry, but in the post I commented on, he made a factual error, which I pointed out

Good for you.

[kila]

13 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

We have had 1500 tested in Scotland and only 11 positive tests...0.75% or so. The Chief Med Officer here said we are "very much in the containment phase" and confirmed there was very little evidence of community transition. Italy is a different ball game as they failed to identify Patient 0 and were caught flat footed. 

Scotland’s infection rate will increase exponentially over the coming weeks

 

[King prawn]

 an Aberdeen fan discussing the Coronavirus on a Hearts forum. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, King prawn said:

 an Aberdeen fan discussing the Coronavirus on a Hearts forum. 

[vegas-voss]

10 hours ago, Sirudi said:

I think public transport, pubs and clubs must be a greater threat to spreading the virus compared to open air football matches.

Probably getting to the games and the socialising before and after are a bigger threat than the actual game.

I don't know close proximity folk coughing and spluttering all over the back of folks heads.Always seems to be at least a few normally coughing there way through a game.So many don't wash there hands you stand up to let them past hands all over your jacket etc 

[RudiHMFC]

1 hour ago, Longshanks said:

My predictions is the season ends on 33 games.  Scottish cup semis and final played behind closed doors. 

 

****ing joke if true, I'm bored of hearing about this coronavirus already, I'll happily get it and back myself to survive it.

[dc-jambo]

7 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Are you going to the game?

I am going, in part because the chief medical adviser to the Scottish government (can’t recall her name) said on STV earlier this week that large outdoor gatherings do NOT constitute a major risk, especially in comparison with smaller, indoor ones. I think it is noteworthy also that the US NBA has moved ahead of other sports in making preparations to go behind closed doors, according to today’s New York Times (basketball being indoors).

 

Anyway the scientists believe that the game is safe, for individuals and for society at large. Thankfully, there is a fairly sophisticated process in this country to collate scientific advice and take it to the government. I’ll follow their guidance, and suggest that others to do likewise.

[The Internet]

10 minutes ago, RudiHMFC said:

 

****ing joke if true, I'm bored of hearing about this coronavirus already, I'll happily get it and back myself to survive it.

 

Yeah you probably would survive it. Loads haven't and won't though. Sorry if that bores you

[Shanks said no]

1 hour ago, Longshanks said:

My predictions is the season ends on 33 games.  Scottish cup semis and final played behind closed doors. 

I agree about the season ending on 33 games, some of which may be behind closed doors, however I cannot see the final being played until the start of next season. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

8 minutes ago, dc-jambo said:

I am going, in part because the chief medical adviser to the Scottish government (can’t recall her name) said on STV earlier this week that large outdoor gatherings do NOT constitute a major risk, especially in comparison with smaller, indoor ones. I think it is noteworthy also that the US NBA has moved ahead of other sports in making preparations to go behind closed doors, according to today’s New York Times (basketball being indoors).

 

Anyway the scientists believe that the game is safe, for individuals and for society at large. Thankfully, there is a fairly sophisticated process in this country to collate scientific advice and take it to the government. I’ll follow their guidance, and suggest that others to do likewise.

Cool but the question was addressed to @Last Laff

[Class of 75]

9 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Good point. 

 

Behind closed doors play off for relegation. 

😭😭😭😭

 

I've been to Newcastle, Glasgow, Dublin, Manchester, Liverpool, York and Leeds in the past week. 

And Aberdeen. 

 

I'll be at the football and rugby tommorow and Sunday , likely a few pubs. 

 

If I have it, appoligies to everyone in the UK. 🙄

 

 

Mate, I take my hat off to you. I thought I did alot of travelling but I think you have black cated me on that score

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Train. 

👍

All advanced tickets, much cheapness. 

Much respect.

Go the Dolphins 

[highlandjambo3]

On 06/03/2020 at 08:19, 1971fozzy said:

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to spread. 

I did a food handling elementary course at college a few years back, one if the modules was cross contamination, which is huge, with a toilet being a typical example.  Now I have become overly paranoid, even to the point of opening the door handle Incase it’s contaminated, which it 100% will be as it just takes 1 person not to wash their hands and the handle will remain contaminated till it’s cleaned.  I use a paper towel now to open the door.  Forget all those fancy “non touch” flush systems when you have to turn around and open the lock on the door before you have even had a chance to wash your hands.

 

Another is restaurant/bar staff cleaning tables using non disposable cloths.  This just spreads germs about, tables should be cleaned using paper absorbent disposable towels.

 

Now...... don’t get me started on those signs you see on the bonnet of Ambulances but the opposite way round so you can see there is an “Ambulance” behind you when you look in your rear view mirror....ffs never mind the nee-naw-nee-naw noise or, the blue flashing lights behind you to give you a clue 😡😡and, as you are busy gawping in your rear view mirror you have your very own accident but, it’s ok as there is an ambulance behind you.  Someone thought this up but, even worse, some suit decided this was a great idea.........

 

Right, tangent over, coffee time.

 

 

[ramrod]

The chief medical officer advising the Scottish Govt saying  large outdoor gatherings do  not constitute a major risk and we are still debating if  games will be cancelled or played behind close doors . The media have got an awful lot to answer for with the hyperbole they have created over this . You only have to read this thread to get a flavour of it . 

Personally every person I've spoken to , friends, family and work colleagues are taking a pragmatic view of events over the last few weeks 

its certainly not something to be taken lightly but it's not the Black Death . Perspective needed as always 

[RudiHMFC]

23 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Yeah you probably would survive it. Loads haven't and won't though. Sorry if that bores you

 

Loads wouldn't survive the normal flu or any other trivial illnesses, you can't just stop the world, it's up to people to look after themselves, if they feel they don't want to be in big crowds or travel on public transport etc then don't but it shouldn't be forced upon people.

[Mr Elwood P]

9 minutes ago, ramrod said:

The chief medical officer advising the Scottish Govt saying  large outdoor gatherings do  not constitute a major risk and we are still debating if  games will be cancelled or played behind close doors . The media have got an awful lot to answer for with the hyperbole they have created over this . You only have to read this thread to get a flavour of it . 

Personally every person I've spoken to , friends, family and work colleagues are taking a pragmatic view of events over the last few weeks 

its certainly not something to be taken lightly but it's not the Black Death . Perspective needed as always 

Very debatable that Tynecastle constitutes a ‘large outdoor gathering’. Every single person has to pass through the turnstiles and concourse, a large percentage will use the toilets and a decent percentage will use the catering facilities. You then factor in contact with handrails and doors etc. Completely different to say TRNSMT festival which is a large outdoor gathering.

[Mikey1874]

12 minutes ago, ramrod said:

The chief medical officer advising the Scottish Govt saying  large outdoor gatherings do  not constitute a major risk and we are still debating if  games will be cancelled or played behind close doors . The media have got an awful lot to answer for with the hyperbole they have created over this . You only have to read this thread to get a flavour of it . 

Personally every person I've spoken to , friends, family and work colleagues are taking a pragmatic view of events over the last few weeks 

its certainly not something to be taken lightly but it's not the Black Death . Perspective needed as always 

 

But games will be cancelled.

 

Scotland v France womens rugby cancelled today. Scotland player has the virus. 

[Bazzas right boot]

31 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Mate, I take my hat off to you. I thought I did alot of travelling but I think you have black cated me on that score

 

 

Nothing exciting tbh. 

I get about tho. 

 

Not so much this week. Hull/ Doncaster and Dublin again. 

 

[1971fozzy]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

But games will be cancelled.

 

Scotland v France womens rugby cancelled today. Scotland player has the virus. 

exactly. All the squad and staff in isolation for (I would imagine 2 weeks ?) 

Id be very surprised if this season plays out tbh

[Bazzas right boot]

16 minutes ago, ramrod said:

The chief medical officer advising the Scottish Govt saying  large outdoor gatherings do  not constitute a major risk and we are still debating if  games will be cancelled or played behind close doors . The media have got an awful lot to answer for with the hyperbole they have created over this . You only have to read this thread to get a flavour of it . 

Personally every person I've spoken to , friends, family and work colleagues are taking a pragmatic view of events over the last few weeks 

its certainly not something to be taken lightly but it's not the Black Death . Perspective needed as always 

 

 

I agree, but if one football player gets it that will that. Doninow effect, all team mates isolated, Last team they played isolated, last team they played. 

 

 

Also, at Tynecastle for example how many hands go on a  hand rail or turnstile. 

 

It's no time Tine panic but it's like a house of cards or feels like it. 

 

[robbo1874]

Over reaction or not I'm not taking my dad to the game today. Was going to take him to cheap hospitality. He's had part of each lung removed due to asbestos and smoking and has serious breathing issues.. I'm on a targeted chemo,not a broad chemo but still chemo.

I've wrestled with myself over this because I really don't want to change my lifestyle but I'm left feeling I can't take the risk.

I genuinely don't know what's the right course of action but I'm not willing to flip that coin right now

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, robbo1874 said:

Over reaction or not I'm not taking my dad to the game today. Was going to take him to cheap hospitality. He's had part of each lung removed due to asbestos and smoking and has serious breathing issues.. I'm on a targeted chemo,not a broad chemo but still chemo.

I've wrestled with myself over this because I really don't want to change my lifestyle but I'm left feeling I can't take the risk.

I genuinely don't know what's the right course of action but I'm not willing to flip that coin right now

You’re playing it safe and theirs nothing wrong with that.

[Jeff]

14 hours ago, upgotheheads said:

 

Bloody Hell. I'm 70, skiing in the Alps, spent 6 hours on my skis today a lot of it off- pist, and they're going to tell me I'm not fit to go to a football match! Away tae Feck. Also have had quite a lot of wine.

 

Don't think it would pass a legal battle for that very reason. Discrimination.

 

A 80 year old could be healthier than a 20 year old

[sadj]

12 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

Yes, one possible solution is that teams stay in division they are in and current points carried forward to next season ie Dundee Utd start next season with a big points advantage. Only fair solution I can think of. 

You could promote United play 13 teams in the top flight so stop after 36 and split , then end on 42. Two relegated one in a play off , 9 in the championship and league ends at 32 games 1 promoted 3 in the playoff. That would be far easier and fair to all teams , no winter break though and a couple early in the season midweek games or extend the season a couple of weeks at the end.

[robbo1874]

3 minutes ago, Barack said:

Bloody hell. Just take it easy, both of you. 

 

2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

You’re playing it safe and theirs nothing wrong with that.

Thanks but suppose point is when do you make that call? If I'm doing that then many others will be as well. A lot of money taken out the club..

A difficult time ahead with seriously difficult decisions to be taken and let's face it do many have faith in the bodies that are taking them 

[Weakened Offender]

40 minutes ago, ramrod said:

The chief medical officer advising the Scottish Govt saying  large outdoor gatherings do  not constitute a major risk and we are still debating if  games will be cancelled or played behind close doors . The media have got an awful lot to answer for with the hyperbole they have created over this . You only have to read this thread to get a flavour of it . 

Personally every person I've spoken to , friends, family and work colleagues are taking a pragmatic view of events over the last few weeks 

its certainly not something to be taken lightly but it's not the Black Death . Perspective needed as always 

 

I'm glad it's not the Black Death because, let's be honest, that would be ****ing brutal. 

[ramrod]

46 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Over reaction or not I'm not taking my dad to the game today. Was going to take him to cheap hospitality. He's had part of each lung removed due to asbestos and smoking and has serious breathing issues.. I'm on a targeted chemo,not a broad chemo but still chemo.

I've wrestled with myself over this because I really don't want to change my lifestyle but I'm left feeling I can't take the risk.

I genuinely don't know what's the right course of action but I'm not willing to flip that coin right now

Very sensible approach. 

If only others were as pragmatic and sensible as yourself. 

 

 

[vegas-voss]

51 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Over reaction or not I'm not taking my dad to the game today. Was going to take him to cheap hospitality. He's had part of each lung removed due to asbestos and smoking and has serious breathing issues.. I'm on a targeted chemo,not a broad chemo but still chemo.

I've wrestled with myself over this because I really don't want to change my lifestyle but I'm left feeling I can't take the risk.

I genuinely don't know what's the right course of action but I'm not willing to flip that coin right now

If you are feeling the way your post is coming across don't take the risk mate

[robbo1874]

Thanks for replies but don't want to sidetrack the thread.

Unfortunately there are probably hundreds Hearts fans in exactly or very similar situations having to make the same call

There is going to be a lot of money lost out of game. The club's and authorities need to be thinking and acting fast.

I'm not sure that I have the that much faith in the SFA 🙄

[HMFC86]

They can’t just end the league after x number of games and enforce relegation/promotion unless the rules say they can, without a legal challenge which would be won. 

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

You could promote United play 13 teams in the top flight so stop after 36 and split , then end on 42. Two relegated one in a play off , 9 in the championship and league ends at 32 games 1 promoted 3 in the playoff. That would be far easier and fair to all teams , no winter break though and a couple early in the season midweek games or extend the season a couple of weeks at the end.

Yes that’s a possibility. FF’s suggestion has a lot of merit if games can start again in July 

[Mikey1874]

30 minutes ago, HMFC86 said:

They can’t just end the league after x number of games and enforce relegation/promotion unless the rules say they can, without a legal challenge which would be won. 

 

Anything is possible. Finish league later in year. Start new league season in October or whenever. Pack in more midweek games. Could play 3 games a week. Could shorten next season. 

 

Qatar World Cup provides an opportunity. Summer football maybe too. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Mikey1874