Scottish Football officially suspended

[alicante jambo]

5 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Not as wacky as advising Stendel on defending!

You think that is wacky? Hibs thought they would beat us 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Seymour M Hersh]

Apparently the average annual number of deaths in the UK caused by seasonal flu over the last 5 or 6 years is 17,000. 

[Jamstomorrow]

As I am older and therefore more vulnerable, I am taking no chances.  No paper mask for me!!

 

 

[kingantti1874]

29 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Apparently the average annual number of deaths in the UK caused by seasonal flu over the last 5 or 6 years is 17,000. 

If the death rate published by the WHO is correct, and the worst case 80% get it.. that’s circa 1.7million deaths in the UK

 

 

[highlandjambo3]

11 hours ago, Restonbabe said:

The facts are that this is a mild viral infection for people that don't have underlying health conditions. 

More people die from the seasonal flu every year in Scotland. 

This will die out just as quick as itcomes 

That is correct...... unfortunately we are a world of panic merchants, conspiracy theorists, flat earth, Area 51 etc....etc...... we will inevitably go into melt down as this grows...................

I think stats show nationwide that about 20 people die in road traffic collisions every day in the UK.  
To date, more people have died or been effected by flooding in the Uk than the virus (so far).  But, the inevitable melt down will happen.

Just booked my hotel in Glesga for the 10 of April but, I fear for our game then.

[HMFC86]

Think there’s far more likely to be a message that anyone with underlying health conditions & or elderly are told to not attend large gatherings to minimise the risk to them. The noises coming out from the UK government yesterday suggest they won’t be cancelling flights or large gatherings as it has very little impact on the spread. Delay of days is what they are saying. 
 

As usual folk are picking an extreme stance of this is nothing or this is something serious. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. 
 

It’s new and until the full facts are known it can’t be written off as nothing but evidence does suggest the vast majority of people that do get it will be fine. That of course doesn’t mean to hell with anyone else, but think that’s why they will focus any isolation on the most at risk. 
 

What doesn’t help is the sensationalist reporting  based on very little fact. If you look at all the worse headlines the word could appears pretty much in all of the stories. They don’t know and are merely profiteering on panic. What is needed is pure facts nothing else. 
 

Observe Basic hygiene and let’s see how it goes. You can’t cancel life for a prolonged period and there’s no real evidence that this is going to suddenly subside, so do we all go into hiding until a vaccine is found? Don’t think that is possible. 

[ramrod]

6 hours ago, JohnB said:

Here's an expert who agrees with you

Oh you wee scamp , you're such a card .....

[Irufushi]

8 hours ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Why are you reading about it then?

Because I can.

[1971fozzy]

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to spread. 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

Death rates for this are higher than flu and there is no “coronavirus” flu jab so it’s completely without a preventative drug.

 

 In 70 somethings with this death rate is 8%, in 80 somethings it’s 15%

My mum is in her 70s and has had lung problems. High risk for her so excuse me if I take this seriously.
 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Tom Hardy’s Dug

[The Future's Maroon]

22 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to spread. 

My biggest bugbear that, filthy disgusting and ignorant *******s, not shy is saying something to anyone I catch doing it.

 

I actually shouted at one of the kids from my bed just before 6am this morning for exiting the toilet seconds after flushing 😡

 

I do think there is a bit of scare mongering from the press etc, but not daft enough to just dismiss it as a wee bug going round, especially when people are dying from it.

 

Some comments on this thread are disgusting...like it’s a big joke...see if they are laughing if it’s one of their family who gets it/dies.

[dc-jambo]

That post was a hoax but the virus isn’t:
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/06/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-update-who-intl-hnk/index.html

[buzzbomb]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to spread. 

They were probably just in snorting coke.

[The Internet]

Lies are believed quicker than truth these days. 

[luckydug]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to e spread. 

Just as you will find people who will over react you will find people who take a delight in being awkward and deliberately flout advice. 

The people who over react by panic buying hygiene products like hand gel are a problem as well.

It's difficult to buy hand gel when the shops are running out of stock quickly due to these selfish and foolish people filling their cupboards with stuff they don't need. 

[4marsbars]

4 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Apparently the average annual number of deaths in the UK caused by seasonal flu over the last 5 or 6 years is 17,000. 

 

Not sure what that has got to do with a possible coronavirus pandemic. What are you getting at?

[Boab]

Just now, 4marsbars said:

 

Not sure what that has got to do with a possible coronavirus pandemic. What are you getting at?

Maybe that the media are losing their shit when this happens year in, year out with not so much as a mention ?

[4marsbars]

4 minutes ago, Boab said:

Maybe that the media are losing their shit when this happens year in, year out with not so much as a mention ?

 

Flu gets quite a lot of coverage, including a massive vaccination programme every year in the UK, especially for older people, vulnerable people, and people in key jobs (like the health service).

 

Hopefully, the total deaths from coronavirus will be less than from winter-flu. That's why we are just about to see some drastic measures, such as cancellation of sporting events. The thing is, if it all works, people will say 'what a lot of fuss about nothing. We cancelled all these matches, closed the schools, quarantined perfectly healthy people for weeks on end, and hardly anyone died.'

 

It's a bit like all the major injuries and some fatalities that have not happened as a result of 20 mph speed limits. Nobody knows about things that didn't happen.

[Rabgee]

On the plus side it could be a good thing for us if games are played behind closed doors as most of the teams around us are likely to go broke and pick up a 15 point penalty 

[Enzo Chiefo]

22 minutes ago, Boab said:

Maybe that the media are losing their shit when this happens year in, year out with not so much as a mention ?

44k die every year in the UK from Sepsis The press and the authorities fire fight from one flash point to another every single year. We are all aware this can be dangerous and a lot of people with poor immunity systems may suffer worse effects. But if everyone is sensible and hygienic then it will  not be nearly as bad as predicted. The rhetoric needs to be dialled down from the top because the public will soon lose interest. Most of us remember the predictions with SARS - 650k deaths turned out to be less than 500 - Swine Flu and the rest. Daily updates when, in Scotland, we have 6 victims is ludicrous.

[Cruyff]

Influenza mortality rate in the UK is something like 0.4%, this thing is 1%. 

Basically 67,000 deaths if everyone in the UK catches it. 

 

[Boab]

Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

44k die every year in the UK from Sepsis The press and the authorities fire fight from one flash point to another every single year. We are all aware this can be dangerous and a lot of people with poor immunity systems may suffer worse effects. But if everyone is sensible and hygienic then it will  not be nearly as bad as predicted. The rhetoric needs to be dialled down from the top because the public will soon lose interest. Most of us remember the predictions with SARS - 650k deaths turned out to be less than 500 - Swine Flu and the rest. Daily updates when, in Scotland, we have 6 victims is ludicrous.

574 for SARS I think, Enzo, so you point stands.

To keep it football-related as we are in the Terrace, I hope they don’t over-react and start f ing about with fixtures.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Out of interest does anyone really believe the "bat soup" theory proffered by China?  A bat eats a snake that has a virus (virus mutates and transfers between species in pretty short order) and then becomes bat soup for some bloke in a fish market (virus mutates again and transfers between species virtually within weeks). The day the outbreak is announced China puts several cities and 70 million in lockdown and starts to bleach clean these cities by army personnel in bio-suits. Now, located only yards from said fish market is the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China's only BS-4 Lab (which specialise in diagnostic work and research on easily transmitted pathogens which can cause fatal disease). But most interesting and worrying is that a. China have admitted having had the DNA for the CoVid 19 virus for a while and b. the virus is four amino acids dfferent from the one in the bat which does not mutate by four amino acids in one go unless manipulated in a lab. 

[Cruyff]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

Not sure your maths is right there. 
 

UK population 67M, 1% of that 670.000 people.  
 

Albeit that is beyond even the govt worst case scenario, 

 

Most likely scenario is 20% infection with 1% mortality rate. That would mean 13.4M people catch it and 134k dead. Still startling number but it’s exceptionally crude method as in reality it will depend on Agee groups etc and who catches it. So huge amount of variables.

 

Also 0.4% is not the mortality for flu it 0.1%.

 

 

You are right, my maths is wrong 😂 

[Seymour M Hersh]

11 minutes ago, Boab said:

574 for SARS I think, Enzo, so you point stands.

To keep it football-related as we are in the Terrace, I hope they don’t over-react and start f ing about with fixtures.

 

Funny you should mention SARs. Again another Chinese delicacy but one they really didn't get exercised about in any way shape or form. Took the Chinese officials a couple of months to even pitch up to the area to investigate and took them 3 months to come clean about the whole thing. 

[Boab]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Funny you should mention SARs. Again another Chinese delicacy but one they really didn't get exercised about in any way shape or form. Took the Chinese officials a couple of months to even pitch up to the area to investigate and took them 3 months to come clean about the whole thing. 

Something fishy going on !

🤨

[Coolio]

4 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

I was at a musical thing last night in a public hall and went to the toilet at the interval, and I swear on my mothers life that I saw 3 arseholes leave without washing their hands (and one came out a cubical). Feking unbelievable. And not one was under 40 years old  I’d wager.

 

Arseholes like that give this thing every opportunity to spread. 

 

100% Spot on.

 

I regularly highlight offenders when they walk past the sinks as I find their laziness is disgusting. The fact that they exit the toilets using the same door handle that everyone else then has to use seriously bugs me.

 

This virus now raises the stakes considerably from it being simply a case of lazy b4stards to them being inconsiderate, ignorant b4stards.

 

Simply put - No need.

[Sid]

1 hour ago, 4marsbars said:

 

Flu gets quite a lot of coverage, including a massive vaccination programme every year in the UK, especially for older people, vulnerable people, and people in key jobs (like the health service).

 

Hopefully, the total deaths from coronavirus will be less than from winter-flu. That's why we are just about to see some drastic measures, such as cancellation of sporting events. The thing is, if it all works, people will say 'what a lot of fuss about nothing. We cancelled all these matches, closed the schools, quarantined perfectly healthy people for weeks on end, and hardly anyone died.'

 

It's a bit like all the major injuries and some fatalities that have not happened as a result of 20 mph speed limits. Nobody knows about things that didn't happen.

Any stats on changes these reductions have made other than slowing cars and increasing CO2 emissions as spend longer time in an area?  

[151]

6 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I think we are very likely to see games behind closed doors. The outbreak is only a few weeks old in the IK. if you look at countries that have been exposed to the virus longer than the U.K;. They have restricted large gatherings to stem spread. 
 

In Italy they are playing games behind closed doors. I struggle to see why that wouldn’t happen here. They are just a bit ahead of us on the spread. 
 

I have wondered if this would help us or not to avoid relegation. Not sure it makes a huge difference. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

What I can't understand is why they wouldn't just cancel the games then. The game is played for the fans. 

 

ST holders would need re-funded each game etc

[Fozzyonthefence]

57 minutes ago, Boab said:

574 for SARS I think, Enzo, so you point stands.

To keep it football-related as we are in the Terrace, I hope they don’t over-react and start f ing about with fixtures.

The biggest problem will be if a player catches it.  Then we’re ****ed, can’t see how we will complete this season’s fixtures as that team’s fixtures would have to be postponed for weeks as they’re all quarantined.  And that’s just if only one player catches it.

 

Could it be that Celtic will have to try for 9 in a row, or Liverpool for that elusive title, all over again next season?

[Mr Elwood P]

Surely Euro2020, being spread across Europe, suggests that it will almost certainly be cancelled?

[julienbrellier]

17 hours ago, The Verminator said:

I worry that the split may be a point where the SFA could make a clean break in stopping the season instead of letting it limp on and then be disrupted completely

 

And, it is slightly more than "just flu", I wish some people would get their heads around that

can you evidence that? If they announced it every time a death occurred from the flu - hundreds every winter in the U.K. with tens of thousands of cases - there would be a massive panic. In terms of how fatal it is, it is actually less than most flu strains. So I’m sorry but you’re 100% wrong on your claim.

 

as such nothing should be cancelled

[MattyK82]

6 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

The biggest problem will be if a player catches it.  Then we’re ****ed, can’t see how we will complete this season’s fixtures as that team’s fixtures would have to be postponed for weeks as they’re all quarantined.  And that’s just if only one player catches it.

 

Could it be that Celtic will have to try for 9 in a row, or Liverpool for that elusive title, all over again next season?

Neil Doncaster has said this season will not be declared null and void, regardless. No idea of the position by the FA daan saff. 
 

So in worse case scenario, ie - not being able to complete fixtures, I have no idea what the blazers have planned! 

[JCR]

9 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:

Surely Euro2020, being spread across Europe, suggests that it will almost certainly be cancelled?

Presumably they’d hope warmer weather in June will make the virus milder. 

[Steve_Jersey_HMFC]

6 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I think we are very likely to see games behind closed doors. The outbreak is only a few weeks old in the IK. if you look at countries that have been exposed to the virus longer than the U.K;. They have restricted large gatherings to stem spread. 
 

In Italy they are playing games behind closed doors. I struggle to see why that wouldn’t happen here. They are just a bit ahead of us on the spread. 
 

I have wondered if this would help us or not to avoid relegation. Not sure it makes a huge difference. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

So Hibs will have a better excuse for their empty seats at Hampden this time round

[IveSeenTheLight]

17 hours ago, 77Mackay77 said:

They might but if they are cancelled it is a massive massive over reaction!

 

The facts are that Covid-19 will kill less people globally than will die of the flu in just the UK this year. 

 

Once it has all calmed down the death rate  of those that become infected will be close to that of the flu and that rate for anyone in good health is tiny. With most patients having little more than a high temperature.

 

Covid-19 is actually a pis8 poor virus that does not actually spread very easily. Which is why they are trying to contain it. No one tries to contain the seasonal flu because it spreads so easily it is just not possible to contain it.

 

But weirdly because this virus is containable authorities are trying to contain it and when you add this to the media hyping it up and we have people panicking over nothing.

 

Get your Easter & summer holidays booked now because you’ll get a bargain and this will be yesterday’s news very shortly!

 

Remember how we were all going to die of Ebola..... well over 2,000 people died of Ebola last year and we didn’t see that on the news so no one cared.

 

Are they not trying to contain and delay it as they do not yet have a vaccine that can be distributed out.

 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

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Scientists have studied seasonal flu for decades. So, despite the danger of it, we know a lot about flu viruses and what to expect each season. In contrast, very little is known about the new coronavirus and the disease it causes, dubbed COVID-19, because it's so new. This means COVID-19 is something of a wild card in terms of how far it will spread and how many deaths it will cause. 

 

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Death rate

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. 

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. 

 

Its reported that the death rate for Covid-19 is circa 3.4%

 

It stands to reason therefore that the attempts to contain and delay the spread of the virus in order to deleverage the risk to the vulnerable and the aged, at the very least until a vaccine can be issued.

It's extremely naive and irresponsible to think "I'm all right jack, cause I'm bot elderly or vulnerable"

[Mr Elwood P]

11 minutes ago, JCR said:

Presumably they’d hope warmer weather in June will make the virus milder. 

Temperatures in Italy and California are about Scottish summertime averages just now though? 

[IveSeenTheLight]

14 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Given the fact that the worldwide total number of cases  is around 100k cases and, possibly past it's peak in China, the idea that there will be 40/50 million cases in an island nation like the UK is bonkers. Clearly they want to change the hygiene habits of many but forecasting  80% of the population being infected, when other worse affected countries are at 0.005% helps nobody.

 

Very interesting point.

Maybe Jeane Freeman meant to say 80% would be affected rather than infected.

 

[Baldwigforjack]

The Auchinleck Talbot v Hurlford game tomorrow has been postponed due to several Talbot players falling ill. Hopefully not Corona related.

[Frankfurter]

52 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

What I can't understand is why they wouldn't just cancel the games then. The game is played for the fans.

TV, radio, papers, interweb. And the vague hope that something will turn up to allow the fans back in.

[spacerjoe]

25 minutes ago, JCR said:

Presumably they’d hope warmer weather in June will make the virus milder. 

 

It's more to get past our regular flu season so that:

1. Hospital beds are not already at capacity

2. It's more easily identified

 

[HMFC86]

26 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Are they not trying to contain and delay it as they do not yet have a vaccine that can be distributed out.

 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

 

 

Its reported that the death rate for Covid-19 is circa 3.4%

 

It stands to reason therefore that the attempts to contain and delay the spread of the virus in order to deleverage the risk to the vulnerable and the aged, at the very least until a vaccine can be issued.

It's extremely naive and irresponsible to think "I'm all right jack, cause I'm bot elderly or vulnerable"

It’s very unlikely there will be a vaccine anytime soon though. Expert put it at around 18 months today and not during this outbreak. Obviously minimising the exposure risk to the most at risk is key but hard to do anything like isolating for an extended period of time. 
 

I guess while they are still analysing the virus itself they may well find out things that help in the meantime 

Edited March 6, 2020 by HMFC86

[spacerjoe]

40 minutes ago, julienbrellier said:

can you evidence that? If they announced it every time a death occurred from the flu - hundreds every winter in the U.K. with tens of thousands of cases - there would be a massive panic. In terms of how fatal it is, it is actually less than most flu strains. So I’m sorry but you’re 100% wrong on your claim.

 

as such nothing should be cancelled

 

Why do people keep banging the drum 'thousands die from flu every year, so why should we worry about this'?

 

They are trying to stop a disease which is barely a few months old and very little is known about, from becoming endemic in the same way flu did. Even if it only goes on to become as deadly as flu, that still means doubling the number of deaths each year.

 

[IveSeenTheLight]

5 minutes ago, HMFC86 said:

It’s very unlikely there will be a vaccine anytime soon though. Expert put it at around 18 months today and not during this outbreak. Obviously minimising the exposure risk to the most at risk is key but hard to do anything like isolating for an extended period of time. 
 

I guess while they are still analysing the virus itself they may well find out things that help in the meantime 

 

Absolutely, so minimising the spread as far as possible is the obvious and responsible thing to do.

Brushing it off as nothing is extremely irresponsible in my opinion 

[Brighton Jambo]

7 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Apparently the average annual number of deaths in the UK caused by seasonal flu over the last 5 or 6 years is 17,000. 

So given the current mortality rate seen for this virus is conservatively estimated to be 10x that of flu we can expect to see at least 170000 deaths.  

[Smoked-Glass]

The semi could be played at later date

[OmiyaHearts]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

So given the current mortality rate seen for this virus is conservatively estimated to be 10x that of flu we can expect to see at least 170000 deaths.  

I'll eat my hat if half of your claimed 170,000 even catch it.

[Brighton Jambo]

6 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I'll eat my hat if half of your claimed 170,000 even catch it.

You will need to as there won’t be any food in the supermarkets by then....

 

I think we could easily see that many people catch it but we won’t ever truly know as most of the cases will be so mild they will

be unreported.  To put in context that is one in every 382 people in the UK catching it.  Do I think that will happen yes, will then be that many recorded cases - probably not.  
 

p.s just noticed you said half that so that is Actually one in every 764 people contracting it.  

Edited March 6, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[IveSeenTheLight]

Just now, Barack said:

Does sheep-dip not stop it, mate?

 

😄

 

I'm alright then.

That'll explain why the guys that working in Aberdeen that got it actually hailed from Tayside

 

Unfortunately sheep dip is a protection from a different set of parasites, so we still await a vaccine

[OmiyaHearts]

9 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

You will need to as there won’t be any food in the supermarkets by then....

 

I think we could easily see that many people catch it but we won’t ever truly know as most of the cases will be so mild they will

be unreported.  To put in context that is one in every 382 people in the UK catching it.  Do I think that will happen yes, will then be that many recorded cases - probably not.  

You think 1 in 382 people will get it in the UK? China has been hit worst and been dealing with it over 3 months, their rate of infection is currently 1 in 17,000. I don't get the logic, if I'm being honest.

 

Btw there's a guy in the Shed that thinks 1 in 5 will get it here. So you're certainly not the biggest worrier here by far.

Edited March 6, 2020 by OmiyaHearts