Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[steve123]

5 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

I know there has been quite a few rumblings about this 'circuit breaker' 2 week full lockdown over the school holidays but every day it gets closer the more I believe it 🤔

 

Meeting about Glasgow etc this afternoon- numbers certainly seem not to be coming down there.

[Governor Tarkin]

38 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

You are the person who endlessly complains about the levels of taxation and how despite your large government funded salary this has impacted adversely on your life.

 

You can almost taste the bitterness @doctor jambo

[coconut doug]

4 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Has anyone got any "evidence " of anything Covid related?  Do we know how many cases are false positives? Do we have any "evidence " that the tests pick up only live, infectious virus? Do we know how many people have died WITH Covid rather than BECAUSE of it? We do know that hospital admissions and deaths were overstated earlier this year and that doctors were under pressure to record Covid as a factor. Has anyone explained why?? 

Do the scientists ,who regularly present their dodgy dossiers with false predictions , have any evidence to base their figures on?

You seem to think that care home owners, universities,  clinicians etc are all responsible but not Sturgeon when, of course, it was her govt who set a target of emptying hospitals because of a mythical wave of patients who would overwhelm the hospitals, based on yet another dodgy dossier from Imperial College. 

EOTHO was a great initiative to help pubs and restaurants boost business and recover some of their lost earnings.  Sturgeon more or less admitted that she would close them, as long as the UK govt would extend the furlough scheme and cover staff costs for doing nothing. A highly irresponsible approach. 

 

Finally,  people are responsible for their own health and outcomes. If a food deal is on offer then you can choose not to eat it in the same way you can walk past junk food offers in the supermarket and towards the free fruit offers.  Govts are not there to micromanage everyone's life. Exercise and diet, we all know the guidelines. 

 

Even if nobody had any evidence about what is happening it still wouldn't entitle you to bombard us with your notion that the virus is weakening.

 

We do however know a lot more now than we did before but we always knew that tests were not foolproof but as i understand things the quality and reliability of testing is improving for a number of reasons.

We do know that Coronavirus kills very few people directly and we do know that deaths are recorded of people who tested positive within the last 28 days as Covid deaths. You are correct then when you say that we overstated the number of deaths earlier this year. It may also be true that many people who died in this period were not recorded as Covid related because they were never tested. In any case we have huge numbers of premature deaths linked to Covid and any overstatement is not really relevant in the overall picture.

 

I am not aware that doctors in Scotland have been pressured into attributing deaths erroneously to Covid. I would like to see your evidence that they have. Clearly there is a difficulty for doctors in deciding how much of a part Covid played in a person's death and they might then decide to include Covid as a cause of death even though they cannot be sure. I would though like to know who is pressurising them to include Covid in the death certificates and why you think that might be happening.

  You and many others are constantly stating that you don't think the projections made by the scientists are in any way accurate. You should bear in mind that had we underprepared there would have been even more of an outcry and you should also be aware that the pandemic is not over and so we don't yet know how many people will die or suffer debilitating illness.

 

  Nicola sturgeon is not a clinician and does not make the decisions on whether or not to discharge people from hospital.There may be some evidence that clinicians were pressurised into quick discharges but i'm not aware of it, are you? What do you know about targets for emptying hospitals?

 

 The FM is also accused of "Sturgeon more or less admitted that she would close them, as long as the UK govt would extend the furlough scheme and cover staff costs for doing nothing. A highly irresponsible approach." What does mean? She has a different view to those who think subsidising fast food outlets in a pandemic is a good thing. She is admitting nothing. 

 

  Of course people should take responsibility for their own health but the government should be responsible too and should not offer inducements to people to damage their health especially during a pandemic.

 

 

 

[coconut doug]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You can almost taste the bitterness @doctor jambo

 

You think i am bitter?

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, coconut doug said:

 

You think i am bitter?

 

The part I quoted made you sound bitter, I don't give a shit whether you are or not. You have got a bee in your bonnet, though. That much is clear.

 

FWIW GP's salaries aren't particulary large for the responsibilities they carry, and it's not as if they give the required qualifications away with bags of crisps.

 

Peanuts and monkeys, eh.

 

Nobody's forcing anybody not to be a doctor.

[The Internet]

These questions at the briefing

[Heartsmad1874]

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/01/cats-spread-covid-19-and-must-self-isolate-scientists-warn-13354441/
 

Bad news if your cat likes the outdoors, it now has to self isolate  

[hughesie27]

2 hours ago, theshed said:

Reading the reply’s to sturgeon on her Twitter and her supporters really are brainwashed saying what a great leader she is and how it’s a great statement. 
 

What else could she have said?
 

Not as if she could have came out and backed her 

Like Boris?

[coconut doug]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

What do you want them to do, force feed the healthy options to the proles? 😀

 

Try health education and avoid promoting your donor's interests at the taxpayer's expense.

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, coconut doug said:

 

You are the person who endlessly complains about the levels of taxation and how despite your large government funded salary this has impacted adversely on your life. Despite this you think it a good idea to subsidise this part of the hospitality industry while others in our community got absolutely nothing. 

 

You also never tire of telling us about your lifestyle induced overweight and unhealthy patients who should not be such a burden on the NHS and yet here you are advocating for subsidised junk food. Who do you think is most likely to take advantage of these half price offers?

 

The reality is as usual that this government scheme was nothing more than a payback to Tory donors at Mcdonald's and various breweries and pub groups. Pubs are closing rapidly all over the country, why would any responsible government want to subsidise a declining industry in this way? Why would any responsible doctor want the government to subsidise the consumption of junk food?

Sorry bud, I'm self employed, like, entirely self employed.

EOTHO aided many smaller chains/ restaurants, and I 'm sure the beneficiaries of the offer are mainly smaller busineses who dont have the reserves/share holders to bail them out, and the employees who still ahve jobs thanks to that.

yes, I have the odd grump about tax rates- the only people that dont are the ones who barely pay any.

And there was no obligation to buy junk food, thats a personal freedom.

and as for the bit in bold- scotland still has a major beef about, erm, shipbuilding and mining which were already in a death spiral and the likes of yourself still hate thatcher for- presumably you think that what she did to them was the behaviour of a responsible government?

I thought not

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, coconut doug said:

 

You think i am bitter?

I do, socialists are!

But that comes from signing up to a political creed that relies on funding from people more successful than yourselves.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Was he really?  What does his research show? Who peer reviewed it and why is it not a widely held view if it is from such an eminent source?

He was treating patients on the front line in Northern Italy right from the outbreak. 

I'm more likely to respect his opinion than Dangerous Doug fae Brigadoon 

[ri Alban]

9 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Sorry bud, I'm self employed, like, entirely self employed.

EOTHO aided many smaller chains/ restaurants, and I 'm sure the beneficiaries of the offer are mainly smaller busineses who dont have the reserves/share holders to bail them out, and the employees who still ahve jobs thanks to that.

yes, I have the odd grump about tax rates- the only people that dont are the ones who barely pay any.

And there was no obligation to buy junk food, thats a personal freedom.

and as for the bit in bold- scotland still has a major beef about, erm, shipbuilding and mining which were already in a death spiral and the likes of yourself still hate thatcher for- presumably you think that what she did to them was the behaviour of a responsible government?

I thought not

Only a halfwit born in Scotland would have anything decent to say about that fecking devil's prostitute, Thatcher. Pity she wasn't here with covid around. 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

He was treating patients on the front line in Northern Italy right from the outbreak. 

I'm more likely to respect his opinion than Dangerous Doug fae Brigadoon 

Who was? 

[doctor jambo]

11 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Only a halfwit born in Scotland would have anything decent to say about that fecking devil's prostitute, Thatcher. Pity she wasn't here with covid around. 

I'm not - it was coconutdug that was advocating allowing declining industries to die off, and that governments should not help them - not very humane of him, frankly, didnt have him down as a thatcherite, but, if the caps fits

[SE16 3LN]

45 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Try health education and avoid promoting your donor's interests at the taxpayer's expense.

You sound like the tory party in the 80's. Don't give the proles any money, they just spend it on booze and fags. See those single parents 😀

Loads of good restaurant and pub businesses survived on eat EOTHO and managed to keep staff at least for a while. There were plenty of businesses offering healthy food. Yes, perhaps the Scottish govt. needs to Educate a bit more, but they prefer the stick approach.

[vegas-voss]

2 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Just caching up on the last few pages. Why are people assuming a vaccine is a one-off injection that makes you immune?

 

You will need to take it every few months.

Yearly is what I have read.Pretty much the same as flu jab

[graygo]

1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

These questions at the briefing

 

Needed more questions about Margaret Ferrier imo.

[Nucky Thompson]

16 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Who was? 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUKKBN2370OP

 

This was at the end of May and to be fair Italy hasn't had a 2nd wave

[SE16 3LN]

1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said:

That'll be the Scottish Government that gives you £500 if you have to isolate rather than fine you £10k if you don't

Didn't work for Ferrier. The belief that that Scottish people are too ignorant to eat healthy food is quite frankly, disgusting.

[Nucky Thompson]

12 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That'll be the Scottish Government that gives you £500 if you have to isolate rather than fine you £10k if you don't

The £500 payment is a UK wide policy and the UK government must be funding it as it's a financial matter 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 02 October 2020

Summary

• 775 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 12.6% of newly tested individuals
• 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 19 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 175 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 17,785 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

[redjambo]

Public Health Scotland has launched an interactive dashboard that allows you, among other things, to see how your local area has been affected:

 

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

[Georgecowie]

7 hours ago, hmfcbilly said:

Yep you're right, sorry George. My main point wasn't about the location of Catherine Calderwood's holiday home but apologies for mixing it up with another town 12 miles further up the road 🙄

Just keeping you right Billy. 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

2 hours ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Have you canvassed the non face covering folk to come to that conclusion or just made it up? 

I’ve asked a few people I’ve seen not wearing a mask 

[Samuel Camazzola]

17 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

I’ve asked a few people I’ve seen not wearing a mask 

And they confirmed their reason for not having a face covering was that they were asthmatic and that they 'probably smoked'? Or you just made an assumption on the smoking part? 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

14 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

And they confirmed their reason for not having a face covering was that they were asthmatic and that they 'probably smoked'? Or you just made an assumption on the smoking part? 

I saw them smoking

[Morgan]

6 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Too many people use asthma as an excuse not to wear a mask and yet probably some smoke.

 

Probably, you say.

 

Then this. 🔽🔽🔽🔽

 

36 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

I saw them smoking

 

Probably, yes?

[The Mighty Thor]

770 students test positive at Northumbria University.

 

Seven hundred and seventy.

[1971fozzy]

28 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

770 students test positive at Northumbria University.

 

Seven hundred and seventy.

And how many have been out and about in pubs and the likes.  Reports saying it was caused be several not following the Uni guidelines.  It’s awful for those that did and have been.  

[GinRummy]

2 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

I saw them smoking

No you didn’t. 

[coconut doug]

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

He was treating patients on the front line in Northern Italy right from the outbreak. 

I'm more likely to respect his opinion than Dangerous Doug fae Brigadoon 

 

He offered an opinion. It has not been corroborated by anybody else of any standing and is easily checkable. If you tell us the virus is weakening you should have some evidence to show that it has changed you cannot provide evidence that it has not.

 

 In any case if you are referring to the interview i saw then the doctor spoke in Italian and his words were translated. I think it possible he said the effects of the virus were diminishing not that the virus was weakening. 

 

Have you noticed the substantial rise in deaths and hospital admissions recently. Do you think that might be because the virus is strengthening?

[Jambo 4 Ever]

37 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

No you didn’t. 

I did

One of them lit up just after they left the shop

[JudyJudyJudy]

Any details regarding the deaths today ? Ages etc . It’s difficult to find this info 

[kila]

7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Any details regarding the deaths today ? Ages etc . It’s difficult to find this info 

 

Assuming you're under 50 then probably nothing for you to worry about and start washing your shopping over.

 

 

[GinRummy]

16 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

I did

One of them lit up just after they left the shop

Nah. They didn’t. 

[Samuel Camazzola]

18 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

I did

One of them lit up just after they left the shop

'Probably' didn't. 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

13 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Nah. They didn’t. 

They did mate

[JudyJudyJudy]

24 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Assuming you're under 50 then probably nothing for you to worry about and start washing your shopping over.

 

 

No stopped washing them a few months ago ! Keep up 😂

[Samuel Camazzola]

19 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

They did mate

 

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, kila said:

 

Assuming you're under 50 then probably nothing for you to worry about and start washing your shopping over.

 

 

 

😁

[ArcticJambo]

Anyone have any figures for the older age groups along the lines of numbers infected, then subsequently the percentages of said group that have progressed to being hospitalised, then admitted to ICU and ultimately died?

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

9 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

He wanted to put the nation on a diet and was simultaneously subsidising the public eating Junk food.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8467605/Mr-Motivator-Boris-Johnson-wants-nation-fit-beat-coronavirus-new-obesity-drive.html

 

Is this news to you? Are you surprised by the conflicting messages put out by this government?

 

junk food ?

 

even a scrap of evidence ?

 

 

[doctor jambo]

23 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

 

Not sure what my double standard is.

Coconut seems to think that £40 an hour is “largesse” for a GP.

Try getting a plumber for that, or a mechanic.

But as I’m not in a working class profession it chokes him.

I would suggest it’s inverted snobbery.

The fact HMRC take 48% off me vs probably gives to him makes me a damn sight more socialist than he is.

 

”the peasants are revolting”

[ri Alban]

30 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not sure what my double standard is.

Coconut seems to think that £40 an hour is “largesse” for a GP.

Try getting a plumber for that, or a mechanic.

But as I’m not in a working class profession it chokes him.

I would suggest it’s inverted snobbery.

The fact HMRC take 48% off me vs probably gives to him makes me a damn sight more socialist than he is.

 

”the peasants are revolting”

HMRC don't take 48% off you. They take 48% above a certain amount. Your first 11000 is free and they take 20%  of the next whatever it is, until you pay 48%. They should tax everyone 60 % of everything, with tax credits to pump up the poor. 

[ri Alban]

I wish I could get £40 an hr to type out a prescription and say next. And your commission on the vaccine will be pretty tidy, won't it. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

40 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not sure what my double standard is.

Coconut seems to think that £40 an hour is “largesse” for a GP.

Try getting a plumber for that, or a mechanic.

But as I’m not in a working class profession it chokes him.

I would suggest it’s inverted snobbery.

The fact HMRC take 48% off me vs probably gives to him makes me a damn sight more socialist than he is.

 

”the peasants are revolting”

Reminds me of an envious friend of mine who complained that I had a better salary than him ( we were in different jobs ) . I told him I’m getting a better Salary because I worked at it , I went to university got a degree etc . I didn’t just Land in my job , it took effort and comittment  which he lacked . Seething with jealousy really but too lazy to do something about his life .   

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 3 October 2020

Summary

• 764 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 12.1% of newly tested individuals
• 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 23 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 191 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 22,144 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 3 October 2020

Summary

• 764 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 12.1% of newly tested individuals
• 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 23 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 191 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 22,144 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

Not good . Still can’t seem to find a site which publishes ages etc of those who have died 

[JKBMod 12]

Thanks @redjambo for bringing this thread back on topic. For those that want to discuss socialisim or anything else, please find or start another thread.

 

Cheers