Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[indianajones]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Good idea.  I'll carry on having an adult discussion with anyone who wants one.  

 

You aren't capable of having an adult discussion. It's been proven multiple times in this thread. 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

 

No idea then?

 

Admissions rose from 17 a day to 78 a day in the south African province where it was discovered. 

 

Nationwide, no I don't have numbers.

[Ray Gin]

11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Christ. Do you work for the tabloids 

You must be fun to be around. Is your Mrs still there?

 

You're awfy upset about a simple question.

[Rocco_Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Admissions rose from 17 a day to 78 a day in the south African province where it was discovered. 

 

Nationwide, no I don't have numbers.

 

Thanks. Is that admissions for Covid or the Omicron strain of Covid?

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

You're awfy upset about a simple question.

I'm not in the slightest upset. 

You keep pushing the South African hospital numbers, where the picture is nowhere near as bad as you want it to be.

It's looking like the 'virus' is turning into the common cold

[Ray Gin]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm not in the slightest upset. 

You keep pushing the South African hospital numbers, where the picture is nowhere near as bad as you want it to be.

It's looking like the 'virus' is turning into the common cold

 

I don't want it to be bad at all, don't talk pish.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm not in the slightest upset. 

You keep pushing the South African hospital numbers, where the picture is nowhere near as bad as you want it to be.

It's looking like the 'virus' is turning into the common cold

 

Are you an infant?  Your bad faith posting and pointless antagonism is bloody dreary.  

[Ray Gin]

5 minutes ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

 

Thanks. Is that admissions for Covid or the Omicron strain of Covid?

 

Unsure but with omicron being the driving force between their recent surge in infections it would be odd if that rise was the sudden result of a previous strain.

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, LMc said:

I always knew the revolution would start at a Christmas market.

 

I always knew there were more wankers in Luxembourg than they were letting on.

[Rocco_Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Unsure but with omicron being the driving force between their recent surge in infections it would be odd if that rise was the sudden result of a previous strain.

 

I don't think it would be that odd. We have seen numerous sudden rises in deaths and hospitalisations from previous strains worldwide at different times. It doesn't necessarily mean the cause of that is a new strain so I'd be wary about presuming an increase in a new strain and increase in hospitlaisation must also be related.

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

54 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

A rising number in South Africa.

Stop watching the news. 

[Jambo_jim2001]

Richplanet.net.  Very interesting stuff regarding scamdemic.. does make you think about all this stuff.

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 hours ago, Jambo_jim2001 said:

Richplanet.net.  Very interesting stuff regarding scamdemic.. does make you think about all this stuff.

Is it another conspiracy website?

[Enzo Chiefo]

10 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

 

I look forward to this guy gettimg a slot on the BBC/ITV/Sky News outlets.😂. 2 chances of that happening...

I read some "scientist", mathematician, behavioural psychologist pontificating about Onmicron being "worse...we don't know how much more ..but it's definitely worse" (obv stamping her feet as she said it). Clearly, she's not been paying attention. 

 

I think, one year on, people are much more informed about Covid and can analyse the evidence and risks for themselves,  free of spin and agenda driven MSM.

[indianajones]

Another vaccine creator (astra zenica) says the NEXT pandemic will be deadlier and spending must be commited to vaccines. 

 

Why are these people getting interviewed about this sort of stuff? They are interested in their profit margins and creating mass panic on the public. 

 

Bare in mind this virus did not come from a natural source. Wonder what gain of function monster they are planning on releasing next time?

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Another vaccine creator (astra zenica) says the NEXT pandemic will be deadlier and spending must be commited to vaccines. 

 

Why are these people getting interviewed about this sort of stuff? They are interested in their profit margins and creating mass panic on the public. 

 

Bare in mind this virus did not come from a natural source. Wonder what gain of function monster they are planning on releasing next time?

 

 

Just seen that.

Let more panic set in.

[Dennis Denuto]

13 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Another vaccine creator (astra zenica) says the NEXT pandemic will be deadlier and spending must be commited to vaccines. 

 

Why are these people getting interviewed about this sort of stuff? They are interested in their profit margins and creating mass panic on the public. 

 

Bare in mind this virus did not come from a natural source. Wonder what gain of function monster they are planning on releasing next time?

 

 

It was the Vaccine creator not a business person that said it, she was just saying we need to invest in the technology so we are more prepared for any future pandemic. It’s really not that controversial. 
 

And some excellent use of wild speculation as fact in that post too. 

[Ray Gin]

2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Is it another conspiracy website?

 

Yes. Some electrical engineer turned UFO nut/tinfoil hat wearer.

[Alex Kintner]

1 hour ago, indianajones said:

Another vaccine creator (astra zenica) says the NEXT pandemic will be deadlier and spending must be commited to vaccines. 

 

Why are these people getting interviewed about this sort of stuff? They are interested in their profit margins and creating mass panic on the public. 

 

Bare in mind this virus did not come from a natural source. Wonder what gain of function monster they are planning on releasing next time?

 

 

Perhaps if people (deliberately?) didn’t misquote then there would be a hell of a lot less misinformation flying about. What was actually said:

Prof Dame Sarah Gilbert(co-creator of AZ vaccine)

"This will not be the last time a virus threatens our lives and our livelihoods. The truth is, the next one could be worse. It could be more contagious, or more lethal, or both.

"We cannot allow a situation where we have gone through all we have gone through, and then find that the enormous economic losses we have sustained mean that there is still no funding for pandemic preparedness," she added. 

"The advances we have made, and the knowledge we have gained, must not be lost."

 

A completely sensible thing for her to say. Everybody was badly prepared this time. Let’s be fully prepared for next time.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Booster on Friday for this young, healthy lab rat.

 

 

 

All the way out at Ingilston though.

 

 

 

[Jeffros Furios]

There's a couple of posters on this thread who are definitely worse for your health than covid.

[Ray Gin]

I for one am terrified by the suggestion that we should be more prepared next time.

 

[FWJ]

17 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Perhaps if people (deliberately?) didn’t misquote then there would be a hell of a lot less misinformation flying about. What was actually said:

Prof Dame Sarah Gilbert(co-creator of AZ vaccine)

"This will not be the last time a virus threatens our lives and our livelihoods. The truth is, the next one could be worse. It could be more contagious, or more lethal, or both.

"We cannot allow a situation where we have gone through all we have gone through, and then find that the enormous economic losses we have sustained mean that there is still no funding for pandemic preparedness," she added. 

"The advances we have made, and the knowledge we have gained, must not be lost."

 

A completely sensible thing for her to say. Everybody was badly prepared this time. Let’s be fully prepared for next time.

Oh, Alex.  You and your pesky accuracy and facts.

 

[Francis Albert]

The use of could/might seems now obligatory.  It delivers the scare while saying nothing very scientific. When doing my degree they were words I rarely used or heard or read ... But maybe things have changed in 50 years.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

I for one am terrified by the suggestion that we should be more prepared next time.

 

Goes back to the early days of the pandemic, mate. Some Asian countries were well ahead of the curve in preparedness. Dedicated agencies to deal with it. We, on the other hand, made a roaring James hunt of it with a combination of cuts and, frankly, corrupt politicians.

 

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The use of could/might seems now obligatory.  It delivers the scare while saying nothing very scientific. When doing my degree they were words I rarely used or heard or read ... But maybe things have changed in 50 years.

 

Coulds and mights are certainly obligatory when you are talking about preparing for potential future events.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Dennis Denuto said:

It was the Vaccine creator not a business person that said it, she was just saying we need to invest in the technology so we are more prepared for any future pandemic. It’s really not that controversial. 
 

And some excellent use of wild speculation as fact in that post too. 

I am not clear how much investment in technology can do about future unknown pandemics. And there is at least a risk that resources are ploughed into this threat when investment in other more basic things such as clean water would save and improve the lives of vastly greater numbers of people. Pandemics cause a few million deaths in rich countries every few decades. Every year many many more die prematurely or live with preventable diseases.

 

[Francis Albert]

12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Coulds and mights are certainly obligatory when you are talking about preparing for potential future events.

See post above. There are future events and indeed current events worse than  pandemics that do not need coulds and mights to describe. Scientifically, without quantification coulds and mights are pretty meaningless. 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Dennis Denuto]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I am not clear how much investment in technology can do about future unknown pandemics. And there is at least a risk that resources are ploughed into this threat when investment in other more basic things such as clean water would save and improve the lives of vastly greater numbers of people. Pandemics cause a few million deaths in rich countries every few decades. Every year many many more die prematurely or live with preventable diseases.

 

We should be investing in both. Vaccine technology could now be used to improve life from many conditions in many countries, so it shouldn’t be ignored and forgotten until the next emergency. 
 

I am astonished you believe we should be investing and giving aid to improve the lot of people in other countries but I totally agree with you. 

[Dennis Denuto]

3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

See post above. There are future events and indeed current events worse than  pandemics that do not need coulds and mights to describe. Scientifically, without quantification coulds and mights are pretty meaningless. 

One of them being austerity and the poverty it causes in this country, which is a massive killer compared to pandemics. 

[Ray Gin]

3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

See post above. There are future events and indeed current events worse than  pandemics that do not need coulds and mights to describe. Scientifically, without quantification coulds and mights are pretty meaningless. 

 

Just because there are current health events doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared for future ones.

 

[Bindy Badgy]

22 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The use of could/might seems now obligatory.  It delivers the scare while saying nothing very scientific. When doing my degree they were words I rarely used or heard or read ... But maybe things have changed in 50 years.

 

My masters thesis was published in a credible scientific journal. Those two words pop up 19 times in 11 pages. I'm not involved in the medical sciences but, these words are completely normal whenever you are discussing any uncertainty in results. I would be surprised if they are not included in the overwhelming majority of published scientific papers.

[Francis Albert]

4 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

We should be investing in both. Vaccine technology could now be used to improve life from many conditions in many countries, so it shouldn’t be ignored and forgotten until the next emergency. 
 

I am astonished you believe we should be investing and giving aid to improve the lot of people in other countries but I totally agree with you. 

Why are you astonished?

 

And where did I say we should forget about and ignore "vaccine technology"?

[Francis Albert]

4 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

My masters thesis was published in a credible scientific journal. Those two words pop up 19 times in 11 pages. I'm not involved in the medical sciences but, these words are completely normal whenever you are discussing any uncertainty in results. I would be surprised if they are not included in the overwhelming majority of published scientific papers.

Without any quantification or assessment of the level of uncertainty?

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Christ. Do you work for the tabloids 

You must be fun to be around. Is your Mrs still there?

It never rains but it pours with him really. He has the knack of spinning any positive news into  doom laden spin 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm not in the slightest upset. 

You keep pushing the South African hospital numbers, where the picture is nowhere near as bad as you want it to be.

It's looking like the 'virus' is turning into the common cold

 

Covid breakthrough as Omicron found to have 'less than 1% chance of reinfection' (msn.com)

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I always knew there were more wankers in Luxembourg than they were letting on.

I thought you lived in Holland ?????????  

11 hours ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

 

I don't think it would be that odd. We have seen numerous sudden rises in deaths and hospitalisations from previous strains worldwide at different times. It doesn't necessarily mean the cause of that is a new strain so I'd be wary about presuming an increase in a new strain and increase in hospitlaisation must also be related.

 

 

Correct

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

 

The BBC (and their likes) know exactly what they're doing with this kind of scaremongering.

 

Both their main CV19 stories this morning lead with negative views (next virus/South African variant) and both handily place the word could in there somewhere. People, when reading headlines, generally pay little attention to modal verbs, and instead focus on main verbs, adjectives and nouns. It's barely above tabloid level, and it's no accident.

and add " possibly " its all very deliberate. 

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

The use of could/might seems now obligatory.  It delivers the scare while saying nothing very scientific. When doing my degree they were words I rarely used or heard or read ... But maybe things have changed in 50 years.

Yes maybe their "science" is dictated by how much funding they get from whichever source? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Covid breakthrough as Omicron found to have 'less than 1% chance of reinfection' (msn.com)

 

 

Just to repeat some good news for a Monday

 

 

 But other advisers have insisted that we need not panic either way because the variant is not as deadly as a recent swelling of fear might suggest.

 

Professor Willem Hanekom, Director of the Africa Health Research Institute in South Africa, told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show on Sunday that, while it is still "early days", data suggest the disease resulting from the Omicron variant "has appeared to be milder" and occurs more in younger, less vulnerable people.

 

The Government announced on Saturday that it is introducing yet more measures to combat the Omicron variant.

From Tuesday, all travellers arriving in England will have to take a pre-departure Covid test.

But Professor Woolhouse, also appearing on the

Before this, Stuart Keeble, Suffolk's Director of Public Health, insisted that this is no cause for panic and that people should not be cancelling their plans over Christmas.

 

Here too, the need to resist panic has been 

Professor Calum Semple of the Government's advisory group SAGE said on Omicron last week: "This is not a disaster, and the headlines from some of my colleagues saying 'this is horrendous' I think are hugely overstating the situation."

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[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I look forward to this guy gettimg a slot on the BBC/ITV/Sky News outlets.😂. 2 chances of that happening...

I read some "scientist", mathematician, behavioural psychologist pontificating about Onmicron being "worse...we don't know how much more ..but it's definitely worse" (obv stamping her feet as she said it). Clearly, she's not been paying attention. 

 

I think, one year on, people are much more informed about Covid and can analyse the evidence and risks for themselves,  free of spin and agenda driven MSM.

No he wont appear on any of those media platforms Enzo. I was watching a video the other day about how the media have been at the centre of scare mongering. A good example of this was made. If you recall the time we had really low deaths in both England and Scotland ? The media went over board in reporting the covid porn stories from abroad just to keep up in the loop ie. keep us shitting it. In particular the reports from India. .However we hear nothing about India at all now ? The media are ambulance chasers and always have been . Bad .news sells. 

[Jeff]

Whatever variant is sweeping through Edinburgh right now is a barsteward. Running wild

 

Only talking about transmission by the way. Mild symptoms seems to be the norm

 

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Steak

[Ray Gin]

48 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

It never rains but it pours with him really. 

 

Brilliant coming from the man who seems to spend the bulk of his day moaning about things on this thread.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

Brilliant coming from the man who seems to spend the bulk of his day moaning about things on this thread.

 

I'm not as negative or pessimistic as you. I see light at the end of the tunnel you see shite. 

[Ray Gin]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I'm not as negative or pessimistic as you. I see light at the end of the tunnel you see shite. 

 

Your idea of being positive and optimistic seems to be incessantly complaining about the government trying to brainwash people, everything being a big plot to control the masses etc.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Your idea of being positive and optimistic seems to be incessantly complaining about the government trying to brainwash people, everything being a big plot to control the masses etc.

 

 

Wrong. 

[Dennis Denuto]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

Your idea of being positive and optimistic seems to be incessantly complaining about the government trying to brainwash people, everything being a big plot to control the masses etc.

 

 

Yes it is not really a view of the world that I would consider positive, paranoid yes.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Yes it is not really a view of the world that I would consider positive, paranoid yes.

Its not my view. Stop repeating fake news  

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Its not my view. Stop repeating fake news  

I can only go by what you regularly post on here - the use of the phrase 'fake news' backs that view up I am afraid.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I can only go by what you regularly post on here - the use of the phrase 'fake news' backs that view up I am afraid.

Like i said " fake news" . Your interpretation of my postings maybe needs re evaluated. 

 

Just a reminded to those in the back row....

 

I am NOT against vaccines. 

 

I believe they do cut deaths and serious illness and hospital admissions

 

However I believe that healthy people do not need  to take the vaccine. That has always been my argument. If they want to its their choice to. So i am pro choice . 

 

Vaccinated people can and do transmit covid. So people rounding on " the unvaccinated " and scapegoating them need to give their heads a wobble. 

 

And as i said around 10 days ago when the new variant was apparently the doomsday variant  I  urged caution and stated lets just wait and see who things pan out.   I was optimistic that it would probably come to nothing. It seems I'm right judging my media reports. 

 

 

 

 

[Dennis Denuto]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Its not my view. Stop repeating fake news  

If you really want to post something positive you could say that the numbers of +ve tests in Scotland are still trending downwards, as are the numbers in Hospital, which are at lowest level since August.

 

That means that there shouldn't need to be any new restrictions place on is in the near future even if Omicron does take off and push all that back up. Which it might not due to the nature of the varian's severity being unknown and the take up of boosters being high.

 

Things are currently looking good.

[milky_26]

I see John Swinney is saying people should take a test everytime they leave their house