JudyJudyJudy Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Spoiler Anyway must dash it’s frantic Friday . Other half is over soon , I can’t allow any negative vibes to permeate . The food nearly ready . Super Saturday tomorrow then knackered Sunday ! A good night to you all , yes even you , yes you ! 😎😎 Edited October 1, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: No it isn’t ! Don't come on here saying people aren't being refused medical treatment because of their choices (when it suits you to say so) and five minutes later contradict yourself with an "oh , hang on , there was that woman " patter. You make assertions that are plain wrong and don't have the good grace to admit it when called out on it. Edit : I see you've bailed early. Edited October 1, 2021 by NANOJAMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something, anything. Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix, upside down and back to front arguments. ****ing wild tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: What ! See post further up by JWL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Victorian said: The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something, anything. Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix, upside down and back to front arguments. ****ing wild tbh. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: I presume the guys who are happy to take coke and other drugs do so with full confidence that these drugs are fully tested and safe. You are right though, it's a desperation to look cool and clever, no more, no less. Of course they do, because that guy they met 5 minutes ago said so, said he had some really good stuff, he wouldn't lie to them, would he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Most likely because they don't have a choice. I said I would give them that choice. It just doesn't work that way. Nobody would choose to not treat someone because of decisions they have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: It just doesn't work that way. Nobody would choose to not treat someone because of decisions they have made. It does and I know of two specific cases as I've said already. One involved a morbidly obese patient and the other an alcoholic who was refused a liver transplant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said: This is what I don't get. This idea that it isn't proven/isn't safe/isn't tested enough. Do these people apply this test/these tests to EVERY medication/treatment they could possibly exeperience ? No, they don't. The current noise on Covid vaccines is simply "look at me" narcissism. Indeed. These anti vax/pro choice blowhards would absolutely shite it if they started coughing themselves inside out and would be off to burden the poor feckers at the NHS toute de suite. You can put your life savings on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Covid isn't put on a death certificate simply because someone has tested positive. It is listed either as a primary cause of death or a contributory factor, e.g. someone may have had a history of pulmonary disease (say chronic bronchitis) and been admitted to hospital on previous occasions but recovered after treatment (oxygen etc). If they are admitted to hospital with similar symtoms, but are also confirmed to have Covid, however don't recover this time, then the primary cause of death may still be recorded as pulmonary disease with Covid as a contributory factor. It's all down to the doctor's assessment. Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Are autopsies being carried out on those allegedly dying of CoVid to confirm cause of death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Are autopsies being carried out on those allegedly dying of CoVid to confirm cause of death? I'm pretty sure that if you die in hospital/care home and have been seen by a doctor and or have been an in-patient, then no PM is needed as there will have already been a diagnosis made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Scottish numbers: 2 October 2021 Summary 2,515 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-178; down from 3,261 a week ago] 37,128 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,412] 7.3% of these were positive [+0.1%] 17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-17] 66 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+1] 965 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-18] 4,199,724 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,843,000 have received their second dose [+5,512; +2,749] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 14 hours ago, **** the SPFL said: Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case Was Covid a contributory factor in his death or, had he contracted Covid and recovered from it prior to his fall ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 The latest trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep ... 1 Sep Scotland 4 331 345 -14 363 383 394 403 419 ... 747 West Lothian 4 489 504 -15 527 521 532 520 519 ... 668 South Ayrshire 4 467 541 -74 572 593 608 575 589 ... 658 North Lanarkshire 4 434 442 -8 462 486 498 521 558 ... 1261 North Ayrshire 4 428 441 -13 459 469 492 480 498 ... 772 Falkirk 4 409 421 -12 432 459 471 458 471 ... 690 Dundee City 4 407 427 -20 469 495 514 508 513 ... 697 East Ayrshire 4 404 440 -36 510 562 586 602 623 ... 627 West Dunbartonshire 4 393 437 -44 453 530 588 609 674 ... 1105 Fife 4 386 407 -21 435 470 469 484 488 ... 597 East Dunbartonshire 4 383 382 +1 375 404 429 477 492 ... 1150 South Lanarkshire 4 378 382 -4 398 396 406 434 461 ... 1013 Dumfries & Galloway 4 351 361 -10 370 372 358 351 361 ... 620 Inverclyde 4 345 365 -20 379 388 387 384 405 ... 1238 Renfrewshire 4 341 371 -30 393 413 421 438 475 ... 1041 Stirling 4 338 366 -28 377 389 374 386 401 ... 628 Aberdeenshire 4 336 339 -3 347 380 387 394 403 ... 424 East Renfrewshire 4 335 354 -19 373 372 389 385 398 ... 1080 Glasgow City 4 312 328 -16 347 368 384 401 432 ... 989 Midlothian 4 312 327 -15 369 395 392 393 413 ... 754 Clackmannanshire 4 300 328 -28 365 427 458 468 507 ... 704 Aberdeen City 4 284 292 -8 288 312 322 336 353 ... 414 Argyll & Bute 4 283 304 -21 298 307 335 350 363 ... 712 Perth & Kinross 4 280 304 -24 334 369 405 407 403 ... 297 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 260 234 +26 234 200 185 174 158 ... 170 East Lothian 4 252 265 -13 272 272 263 272 274 ... 604 Moray 4 250 231 +19 226 228 218 223 224 ... 183 Edinburgh City 4 231 238 -7 255 282 286 292 300 ... 722 Angus 4 220 234 -14 259 274 305 302 295 ... 430 Scottish Borders 4 200 188 +12 216 211 223 228 233 ... 430 Highland 4 170 168 +2 169 187 194 203 220 ... 531 Shetland Islands 3 74 70 +4 57 52 57 57 61 ... 262 Orkney Islands 2 49 85 -36 85 63 80 85 98 ... 67 7-day averages Today Yesterday 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep ... 1 Sep Tests 34990 35457 -467 36268 37270 38304 38689 39481 ... 46368 Cases 2587 2694 -107 2833 2992 3078 3149 3270 ... 5832 Positivity rate % 8.0 8.2 -0.2 8.4 8.6 8.6 8.8 8.9 ... 13.3 Deaths 19.0 19.1 -0.1 21.4 21.7 22.1 22.4 22.3 ... 6.0 All Vaccinations 6583 6572 +11 6130 6087 6098 6158 5988 ... 15364 1st Dose 3879 3705 +174 3378 3358 3391 3429 3112 ... 2844 2nd Dose 2704 2867 -163 2752 2729 2707 2729 2876 ... 12520 All in hospital 1003 1009 -6 1013 1021 1029 1040 1050 ... 524 Non-ICU 931 935 -4 937 944 950 958 965 ... 473 ICU 72 74 -2 76 77 79 82 85 ... 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsAndy Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I've just watched the video of this, and poor man indeed, he's terrified, he's scared, could well have been in fight or flight mode whereby just wanting to get out of the fearful & stressful situation he finds himself in, and along comes a 'friend' who gives him that option to flee. Whilst Mr. McCarron did choose to leave the hospital, I do wonder what his state of mind was when he made that decision and how much his fear and the prompting from his 'friend' played in the making of that decision. As a little more context worthwhile examining the background of the so called pro choice 'friend' of this poor man. Can't corroborate everything but it does appear he may not be the most wise or informed individual to take advice from. He should be arrested and charged with 'assisted suicide' to be honest. Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu, is a member of the Freeman on the Land Movement (FOTL), previously came to the attention of activists in Galway in December 2018. At the time he organised a meeting in support of Italian far-right party Lega Nord.The party takes a tough stance on crime, illegal immigration,[286] especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which according to party officials should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage". The party has been labeled as "nationalist", "xenophobic"[] and "anti-immigration". In 1992, the League was compared by Le Nouvel Observateur to some national populist parties of the European far-right, including France's National Front, the Freedom Party of Austria and the Vlaams Blok, claiming that "the League rejects any association with neo-fascists but plays on themes of xenophobia regionalism and trivial racism" 19 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep ... 1 Sep Scotland 4 331 345 -14 363 383 394 403 419 ... 747 West Lothian 4 489 504 -15 527 521 532 520 519 ... 668 South Ayrshire 4 467 541 -74 572 593 608 575 589 ... 658 North Lanarkshire 4 434 442 -8 462 486 498 521 558 ... 1261 North Ayrshire 4 428 441 -13 459 469 492 480 498 ... 772 Falkirk 4 409 421 -12 432 459 471 458 471 ... 690 Dundee City 4 407 427 -20 469 495 514 508 513 ... 697 East Ayrshire 4 404 440 -36 510 562 586 602 623 ... 627 West Dunbartonshire 4 393 437 -44 453 530 588 609 674 ... 1105 Fife 4 386 407 -21 435 470 469 484 488 ... 597 East Dunbartonshire 4 383 382 +1 375 404 429 477 492 ... 1150 South Lanarkshire 4 378 382 -4 398 396 406 434 461 ... 1013 Dumfries & Galloway 4 351 361 -10 370 372 358 351 361 ... 620 Inverclyde 4 345 365 -20 379 388 387 384 405 ... 1238 Renfrewshire 4 341 371 -30 393 413 421 438 475 ... 1041 Stirling 4 338 366 -28 377 389 374 386 401 ... 628 Aberdeenshire 4 336 339 -3 347 380 387 394 403 ... 424 East Renfrewshire 4 335 354 -19 373 372 389 385 398 ... 1080 Glasgow City 4 312 328 -16 347 368 384 401 432 ... 989 Midlothian 4 312 327 -15 369 395 392 393 413 ... 754 Clackmannanshire 4 300 328 -28 365 427 458 468 507 ... 704 Aberdeen City 4 284 292 -8 288 312 322 336 353 ... 414 Argyll & Bute 4 283 304 -21 298 307 335 350 363 ... 712 Perth & Kinross 4 280 304 -24 334 369 405 407 403 ... 297 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 260 234 +26 234 200 185 174 158 ... 170 East Lothian 4 252 265 -13 272 272 263 272 274 ... 604 Moray 4 250 231 +19 226 228 218 223 224 ... 183 Edinburgh City 4 231 238 -7 255 282 286 292 300 ... 722 Angus 4 220 234 -14 259 274 305 302 295 ... 430 Scottish Borders 4 200 188 +12 216 211 223 228 233 ... 430 Highland 4 170 168 +2 169 187 194 203 220 ... 531 Shetland Islands 3 74 70 +4 57 52 57 57 61 ... 262 Orkney Islands 2 49 85 -36 85 63 80 85 98 ... 67 7-day averages Today Yesterday 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep 26 Sep ... 1 Sep Tests 34990 35457 -467 36268 37270 38304 38689 39481 ... 46368 Cases 2587 2694 -107 2833 2992 3078 3149 3270 ... 5832 Positivity rate % 8.0 8.2 -0.2 8.4 8.6 8.6 8.8 8.9 ... 13.3 Deaths 19.0 19.1 -0.1 21.4 21.7 22.1 22.4 22.3 ... 6.0 All Vaccinations 6583 6572 +11 6130 6087 6098 6158 5988 ... 15364 1st Dose 3879 3705 +174 3378 3358 3391 3429 3112 ... 2844 2nd Dose 2704 2867 -163 2752 2729 2707 2729 2876 ... 12520 All in hospital 1003 1009 -6 1013 1021 1029 1040 1050 ... 524 Non-ICU 931 935 -4 937 944 950 958 965 ... 473 ICU 72 74 -2 76 77 79 82 85 ... 51 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Was Covid a contributory factor in his death or, had he contracted Covid and recovered from it prior to his fall ? Nope all he had was a tickly cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, **** the SPFL said: Sorry FF I don’t ever disagree with you but on this occasion I will my wife’s manager’s brother died from a brain haemorrhage after falling in Abbeyhill feck all to do with covid but because he’d tested positive in the 28 days prior Covid was put on his death certificate his sister is still arguing the case My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS. And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now? He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media. When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid. If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda. Edited October 2, 2021 by Gordon Zola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS. And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now? He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media. When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid. If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda. Go to the corner and put your tinfoil hat on please, you are not allowed to question anything 🙈 .sorry for you loss. We are run by maniacs. Only going to get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: My neighbours 85 year old dad died last year. He had been in and out of the hospital for months. During this time of going in and out of hospital he got tested for covid twice and both times he was negative. The last time he went in just before he died he was too sick to test for covid. He died of pneumonia which was put as the cause of death on his death certificate, he also had cancer and diabetes put on his death certificate. At the bottom the of the certificate the doctor also wrote 'presumed covid'. Even though he wasn't tested they still put it on his death certificate. This is medical fraud by the NHS. And why even test them for it if thats not what killed him. As far as i'm aware they never used to test you for flu when you were dying of cancer or heart disease or pneumonia. So why now? He then became one of the numbers you hear about in the media. When you see these 'numbers' in the media you have to bear in my mind that (if the test positive) dying 'with' covid is different from dying 'from' covid. If my friends dad had indeed tested positive for covid, it would still have been pneumonia that killed him, so why bother testing him? Also, his death would be recorded as covid on the ONS website, when he actually died of pneumonia. That's why you are not seeing a massive difference in 'total' deaths from previous years. They are just rebranding deaths to suit their agenda. And yes, they do have an agenda. Totally agree sorry for your loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Just a note that the principal deaths figures reported by PHS each day, the ones included in my stats, are those where an individual dies within 28 days of their first positive COVID-19 laboratory report. Deaths where Covid is reported on the death certificate is a different metric. Of course we can argue until we're blue in the face about both definitions but as far as I personally am concerned, the "reported on the death certificate" metric doesn't hold much sway with me and I think that in the end, data scientists will concentrate on the "confirmed deaths" and "excess deaths" figures, not the "mentioned on the death certificate" metric. Hopefully whoever compiles the death certificate stats automatically ignores any that say "presumed" (or similar wording) in any case - I certainly would if I were in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, redjambo said: Just a note that the principal deaths figures reported by PHS each day, the ones included in my stats, are those where an individual dies within 28 days of their first positive COVID-19 laboratory report. Deaths where Covid is reported on the death certificate is a different metric. Of course we can argue until we're blue in the face about both definitions but as far as I personally am concerned, the "reported on the death certificate" metric doesn't hold much sway with me and I think that in the end, data scientists will concentrate on the "confirmed deaths" and "excess deaths" figures, not the "mentioned on the death certificate" metric. Hopefully whoever compiles the death certificate stats automatically ignores any that say "presumed" (or similar wording) in any case - I certainly would if I were in that position. My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: Totally agree sorry for your loss 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, escobri said: Go to the corner and put your tinfoil hat on please, you are not allowed to question anything 🙈 .sorry for you loss. We are run by maniacs. Only going to get worse. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid? Yes, that would have counted as an official Covid death. They test folk on entry so that they can try to prevent the virus from spreading within the hospital if someone is found to be positive. I would have thought that was a reasonable precaution to take. Over to you. What metric would you create to keep track of Covid-caused deaths, one that is fairly easily measurable and also as objective as possible so that the metric can be applied in a standard way? It's not easy. I don't think the metric was ever meant to 100% accurately mirror deaths caused by Covid. It was however meant as a metric that was as objective and standardised as possible, and reflect the situation, so that it could be compared in different time periods and localities. Also to mention of course are those who enter hospital as a result of Covid and hang on for more than 28 days after their positive test before succumbing. They don't count as Covid deaths, but are also removed from the statistics to try to obtain more signal than noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gordon Zola said: My mums, friends daughter died a few weeks ago. She had cancer it had spread throughout her body and into her brain. She was admitted to the western 3 days before she died as she was having funny turns. On the day she was admitted they tested her for covid (for whatever reason) and she was positive. As she died 3 days after testing positive (from cancer) i assume she would be included in your PHS stats? Do your PHS stats show that someone died 'of' covid or 'with' covid? It's not as simple as that - a death certificate has 4 possible entries for the inclusion of covid (as far as I can make out from the pdf file I'm looking at - I've copied it verbatim below ) - I A disease or condition leading directly to death I B other disease or condition - if any - leading to I A I C other disease or condition - if any - leading to I B II Other significant conditions contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition casuing it Maybe this is where there is possible confusion as to why Covid is listed on a death certificate . It seems to boil down to where on the form Covid is mentioned (if it is mentioned). There are the guidelines for completion - "You are asked to start with the immediate, direct cause of death on line Ia, then to go back through the sequence of events or conditions that led to death on subsequent lines, until you reach the one that started the fatal sequence. If the certificate has been completed properly, the condition on the lowest completed line of part I will have caused all of the conditions on the lines above it. This initiating condition, on the lowest line of part I will usually be selected as the underlying cause of death,..." Edited October 2, 2021 by NANOJAMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 The best measure of Covid deaths is probably the excess deaths number. In the first wave (March-April 2020) the excess deaths exceeded those recorded as Covid related, suggesting an underreporting of Covid deaths. Since then the Covid recorded deaths have largely matched the excess death figures. While it will be possible to point out individual cases where there is an incorrect allocation of cause to Covid, the overall picture suggests that the excess deaths are mainly Covid related rather than any actual increase in other causes, such as cancers, heart disease or strokes. Check the excess deaths section of this report that was published a few days ago. https://data.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 11 hours ago, jonesy said: Right, I'm too far into this bottle of wine and you're far too smart compared to me for this to end well, but I'm not having that. When the death stats are regularly wheeled out as justification for certain government actions - some of which have detrimental, even fatal effects on its citizens - then they bloody well better be as accurate as possible. Lobbing a 'CV19' onto a death certificate when it was clearly not a contributing factor is an absolute nonsense. Your "as accurate as possible" and my "not 100%" are in accordance, jonesy. It has been eloquently expressed on many occasions in this thread that it is not in some cases clear-cut whether a death was caused by Covid or not - it may be a contributing factor but *how much* of a contributing factor? That's where we start to get into subjective judgement. One clinician's opinion might (and probably will) differ from another's for certain cases. It's difficult to employ a metric based on that - it's too variable. You're also confusing, imo, the "death certificates" and the "death stats as justification" issues. Forget the death certificates metric - it's not the main deaths metric and I think we can all agree that it's not very good because it can be open to subjective judgement whether or not Covid was the cause of death in some cases. We could of course all give up and declare "We can't find a perfect metric that 100% mirrors the deaths that wouldn't have happened if the person hadn't caught Covid!". But we can't. We have to track deaths and we find the best way we can to do so, perfect or not. And, by the way, I'm not that smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Scottish numbers: 3 October 2021 Summary 2,040 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-475; down from 2,556 a week ago] 28,673 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-8,455] 7.7% of these were positive [+0.4%] 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-16] 71 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+5] 965 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=] 4,208,546 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,845,180 have received their second dose [+8,822; +2,180] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Trend stats, the latest thereof. Cases reducing fairly slowly but steadily. Aberdeen City mimicking their football team by being quite low in the table. 7-day positivity rate and numbers of hospitalised Covid patients also declining. High number of first vaccinations today, presumably reflecting the young team stepping up to the plate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep ... 1 Sep Scotland 4 322 331 -9 345 363 383 394 403 ... 747 West Lothian 4 479 489 -10 504 527 521 532 520 ... 668 North Lanarkshire 4 432 434 -2 442 462 486 498 521 ... 1261 South Ayrshire 4 430 467 -37 541 572 593 608 575 ... 658 Falkirk 4 415 409 +6 421 432 459 471 458 ... 690 North Ayrshire 4 409 428 -19 441 459 469 492 480 ... 772 Dundee City 4 407 407 0 427 469 495 514 508 ... 697 East Ayrshire 4 388 404 -16 440 510 562 586 602 ... 627 Fife 4 375 386 -11 407 435 470 469 484 ... 597 West Dunbartonshire 4 369 393 -24 437 453 530 588 609 ... 1105 East Dunbartonshire 4 365 383 -18 382 375 404 429 477 ... 1150 South Lanarkshire 4 364 378 -14 382 398 396 406 434 ... 1013 East Renfrewshire 4 332 335 -3 354 373 372 389 385 ... 1080 Renfrewshire 4 331 341 -10 371 393 413 421 438 ... 1041 Aberdeenshire 4 330 336 -6 339 347 380 387 394 ... 424 Dumfries & Galloway 4 328 351 -23 361 370 372 358 351 ... 620 Inverclyde 4 328 345 -17 365 379 388 387 384 ... 1238 Stirling 4 327 338 -11 366 377 389 374 386 ... 628 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 317 260 +57 234 234 200 185 174 ... 170 Glasgow City 4 303 312 -9 328 347 368 384 401 ... 989 Midlothian 4 294 312 -18 327 369 395 392 393 ... 754 Clackmannanshire 4 281 300 -19 328 365 427 458 468 ... 704 Argyll & Bute 4 280 283 -3 304 298 307 335 350 ... 712 Perth & Kinross 4 276 280 -4 304 334 369 405 407 ... 297 Aberdeen City 4 266 284 -18 292 288 312 322 336 ... 414 Moray 4 260 250 +10 231 226 228 218 223 ... 183 East Lothian 4 244 252 -8 265 272 272 263 272 ... 604 Edinburgh City 4 218 231 -13 238 255 282 286 292 ... 722 Scottish Borders 4 215 200 +15 188 216 211 223 228 ... 430 Angus 4 207 220 -13 234 259 274 305 302 ... 430 Highland 4 168 170 -2 168 169 187 194 203 ... 531 Shetland Islands 3 83 74 +9 70 57 52 57 57 ... 262 Orkney Islands 2 49 49 0 85 85 63 80 85 ... 67 7-day averages Today Yesterday 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep ... 1 Sep Tests 34707 34990 -283 35457 36268 37270 38304 38689 ... 46368 Cases 2514 2587 -73 2694 2833 2992 3078 3149 ... 5832 Positivity rate % 7.8 8.0 -0.2 8.2 8.4 8.6 8.6 8.8 ... 13.3 Deaths 18.9 19.0 -0.1 19.1 21.4 21.7 22.1 22.4 ... 6.0 All Vaccinations 7112 6583 +529 6572 6130 6087 6098 6158 ... 15364 1st Dose 4531 3879 +652 3705 3378 3358 3391 3429 ... 2844 2nd Dose 2581 2704 -123 2867 2752 2729 2707 2729 ... 12520 All in hospital 997 1003 -6 1009 1013 1021 1029 1040 ... 524 Non-ICU 926 931 -5 935 937 944 950 958 ... 473 ICU 71 72 -1 74 76 77 79 82 ... 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: Trend stats, the latest thereof. Cases reducing fairly slowly but steadily. Aberdeen City mimicking their football team by being quite low in the table. 7-day positivity rate and numbers of hospitalised Covid patients also declining. High number of first vaccinations today, presumably reflecting the young team stepping up to the plate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep ... 1 Sep Scotland 4 322 331 -9 345 363 383 394 403 ... 747 West Lothian 4 479 489 -10 504 527 521 532 520 ... 668 North Lanarkshire 4 432 434 -2 442 462 486 498 521 ... 1261 South Ayrshire 4 430 467 -37 541 572 593 608 575 ... 658 Falkirk 4 415 409 +6 421 432 459 471 458 ... 690 North Ayrshire 4 409 428 -19 441 459 469 492 480 ... 772 Dundee City 4 407 407 0 427 469 495 514 508 ... 697 East Ayrshire 4 388 404 -16 440 510 562 586 602 ... 627 Fife 4 375 386 -11 407 435 470 469 484 ... 597 West Dunbartonshire 4 369 393 -24 437 453 530 588 609 ... 1105 East Dunbartonshire 4 365 383 -18 382 375 404 429 477 ... 1150 South Lanarkshire 4 364 378 -14 382 398 396 406 434 ... 1013 East Renfrewshire 4 332 335 -3 354 373 372 389 385 ... 1080 Renfrewshire 4 331 341 -10 371 393 413 421 438 ... 1041 Aberdeenshire 4 330 336 -6 339 347 380 387 394 ... 424 Dumfries & Galloway 4 328 351 -23 361 370 372 358 351 ... 620 Inverclyde 4 328 345 -17 365 379 388 387 384 ... 1238 Stirling 4 327 338 -11 366 377 389 374 386 ... 628 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 317 260 +57 234 234 200 185 174 ... 170 Glasgow City 4 303 312 -9 328 347 368 384 401 ... 989 Midlothian 4 294 312 -18 327 369 395 392 393 ... 754 Clackmannanshire 4 281 300 -19 328 365 427 458 468 ... 704 Argyll & Bute 4 280 283 -3 304 298 307 335 350 ... 712 Perth & Kinross 4 276 280 -4 304 334 369 405 407 ... 297 Aberdeen City 4 266 284 -18 292 288 312 322 336 ... 414 Moray 4 260 250 +10 231 226 228 218 223 ... 183 East Lothian 4 244 252 -8 265 272 272 263 272 ... 604 Edinburgh City 4 218 231 -13 238 255 282 286 292 ... 722 Scottish Borders 4 215 200 +15 188 216 211 223 228 ... 430 Angus 4 207 220 -13 234 259 274 305 302 ... 430 Highland 4 168 170 -2 168 169 187 194 203 ... 531 Shetland Islands 3 83 74 +9 70 57 52 57 57 ... 262 Orkney Islands 2 49 49 0 85 85 63 80 85 ... 67 7-day averages Today Yesterday 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep 27 Sep ... 1 Sep Tests 34707 34990 -283 35457 36268 37270 38304 38689 ... 46368 Cases 2514 2587 -73 2694 2833 2992 3078 3149 ... 5832 Positivity rate % 7.8 8.0 -0.2 8.2 8.4 8.6 8.6 8.8 ... 13.3 Deaths 18.9 19.0 -0.1 19.1 21.4 21.7 22.1 22.4 ... 6.0 All Vaccinations 7112 6583 +529 6572 6130 6087 6098 6158 ... 15364 1st Dose 4531 3879 +652 3705 3378 3358 3391 3429 ... 2844 2nd Dose 2581 2704 -123 2867 2752 2729 2707 2729 ... 12520 All in hospital 997 1003 -6 1009 1013 1021 1029 1040 ... 524 Non-ICU 926 931 -5 935 937 944 950 958 ... 473 ICU 71 72 -1 74 76 77 79 82 ... 51 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 19:44, Victorian said: The boy just needs to be in a permanent battle with something, anything. Armed with a blunderbuss of pick'n'mix, upside down and back to front arguments. Beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I don't think many will be surprised by this tbh. There is a lot we haven't been told and the reaction to the "emergence" of Covid, the modelling, the restrictions, the stats; all have left more questions than answers. Forget the forecasts of miserable winters, we're in the home straight now and nearly done. But questions still linger about our approach. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Anyone know where the drop off boxes for Randox Day 2 tests are in Edinburgh? The only one I could find is in Craigentinny. Are there any others?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I don't think many will be surprised by this tbh. There is a lot we haven't been told and the reaction to the "emergence" of Covid, the modelling, the restrictions, the stats; all have left more questions than answers. Forget the forecasts of miserable winters, we're in the home straight now and nearly done. But questions still linger about our approach. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html This is what we should be angry at. Dangerous gain of function research funded by governments throughout the globe has caused this disease. Constant lies from them regarding the origin of it and yet NO ONE seems to give a flying ****. More interested in ousting people that have concerns over vaccine programmes and govt mandates. There should be a focused push on ensuring people know how much they are/have been lied too and that its just not acceptable. Gain of function ffs. Its like the modern day Manhattan project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) On 03/10/2021 at 07:24, Lord BJ said: The red list is to be significantly reduced, opening up more travel venues. Anticipated less than 10 countries will be on it, No doubt this will enrage some but I take it as a positive sign that we’re moving to the end stages of this and we’re becoming to return to normal, Where are you hearing / reading this and any ideas what the 10 countries would be. This is highly applicable to me, so any info would be appreciated. Edited October 4, 2021 by jambo89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Anyone know where the drop off boxes for Randox Day 2 tests are in Edinburgh? The only one I could find is in Craigentinny. Are there any others?? Vivo clinic in Roseburn and Newington pharmacy. Edited October 4, 2021 by Dazo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Vivo clinic in Roseburn and Newington pharmacy. Cheers Dazo. I ended up going to Craigentinny but good to know about the other drop offs, for the next time. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Cheers Dazo. I ended up going to Craigentinny but good to know about the other drop offs, for the next time. 👍 No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 02/10/2021 at 22:27, jonesy said: Right, I'm too far into this bottle of wine and you're far too smart compared to me for this to end well, but I'm not having that. When the death stats are regularly wheeled out as justification for certain government actions - some of which have detrimental, even fatal effects on its citizens - then they bloody well better be as accurate as possible. Lobbing a 'CV19' onto a death certificate when it was clearly not a contributing factor is an absolute nonsense. CV19 is a notifiable disease. If someone dies and coincidentally had Covid as a non contributor, it MUST go in the death certificate. It doesn’t go into the cause of death field. It goes in a box I forget the name of. Let’s say for arguements sake it’s called NOTES. Those deaths are appearing in what we know as the Covid death numbers but it’s a misleading thing because it’s simply noting that someone was positive for Covid in the period before they died. The actual deaths where Covid was a significant contributor is significantly less than the headline figure we’re being given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Dazo said: No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. It depends on the pick-up time from the drop box. I dropped off my Randox test in one of the designated bins outside Newington Pharmacy on a Friday evening (it sounded as if the bin was empty). I assume it was picked up sometime on the Saturday. I received an email confirming that it had been received by the lab around midnight and the result came through about 8am on the Sunday morning, It was therefore around 36 hours end to end, although if you time the pick-up well, it could be less than 24 hours. Edited October 4, 2021 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: It depends on the pick-up time from the drop box. I dropped off my Randox test in one of the designated bins outside Newington Pharmacy on a Friday evening (it sounded as if the bin was empty). I assume it was picked up sometime on the Saturday. I received an email confirming that it had been received by the lab around midnight and the result came through about 8am on the Sunday morning, It was therefore around 36 hours end to end, although if you time the pick-up well, it could be less than 24 hours. Depends on the location but the 2 I mention are 4:30 Roseburn and 5pm Newington. So yeah yours woujd have been 5pm next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Lord BJ said: It been pretty widely reported in media the last couple of days. Anyway a link to help https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/02/uk-to-slash-international-travel-red-list-to-just-9-countries Thanks for that! Not much exposure to british media out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: CV19 is a notifiable disease. If someone dies and coincidentally had Covid as a non contributor, it MUST go in the death certificate. It doesn’t go into the cause of death field. It goes in a box I forget the name of. Let’s say for arguements sake it’s called NOTES. Those deaths are appearing in what we know as the Covid death numbers but it’s a misleading thing because it’s simply noting that someone was positive for Covid in the period before they died. The actual deaths where Covid was a significant contributor is significantly less than the headline figure we’re being given. The NRS guidance is fairly clear in respect of the recording of deaths (not the daily announcements which only records deaths of patients who have tested positive within the last 28 days, i.e. potentially not the cause). • Deaths involving COVID-19 are defined as those where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, either as the underlying cause of death or as a contributory cause. Cause of death is coded according to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Conditions 10th Revision (ICD-10). The relevant codes included in this publication are U07.1, U07.2, U09.9 and U10.9. • Figures include deaths where ‘suspected’ or ‘probable’ COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. From the latest weekly NRS stats for 2021 (Week 1-38), Covid was mentioned on the death certificate 4,289 times. Of those, 3,592 had Covid as the underlying cause. The excess deaths figure for the year to date is 3,213, when compared to the pre covid five year period from 2015-19. The year to date figure for the daily announcements (positive with 28 days of death) was 3748. I don't believe that those figures back up the claim in your last sentence. Edited October 4, 2021 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Dazo said: No probs Enzo. When did you have it in ? Can you let me know how long it takes to get your results back. Handed it in today at about 9.30am. Will let you know when I get the result back, Dazo. . What did you think of the whole process about registering and labelling the sample? They're asking for the same info that was already provided when ordering the tests, flight number, passport etc. They even ask for your address again, despite them having sent the tests there😂 Surely they can match up the bar code with your details?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, indianajones said: This is what we should be angry at. Dangerous gain of function research funded by governments throughout the globe has caused this disease. Constant lies from them regarding the origin of it and yet NO ONE seems to give a flying ****. More interested in ousting people that have concerns over vaccine programmes and govt mandates. There should be a focused push on ensuring people know how much they are/have been lied too and that its just not acceptable. Gain of function ffs. Its like the modern day Manhattan project. Yes, exactly, Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Handed it in today at about 9.30am. Will let you know when I get the result back, Dazo. . What did you think of the whole process about registering and labelling the sample? They're asking for the same info that was already provided when ordering the tests, flight number, passport etc. They even ask for your address again, despite them having sent the tests there😂 Surely they can match up the bar code with your details?? I haven’t ordered yet, I don’t go away for a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Scottish numbers: 4 October 2021 Summary 1,760 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-280; down from 2,069 a week ago] 19,959 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-8,714] 9.4% of these were positive [+1.7%] 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-1] 67 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-4] 1,001 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+36] 4,217,940 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,847,118 have received their second dose [+9,394; +1,938] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 The latest trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 2 Oct 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep ... 1 Sep Scotland 4 316 322 -6 331 345 363 383 394 ... 747 West Lothian 4 467 479 -12 489 504 527 521 532 ... 668 North Lanarkshire 4 433 432 +1 434 442 462 486 498 ... 1261 Falkirk 4 411 415 -4 409 421 432 459 471 ... 690 Dundee City 4 402 407 -5 407 427 469 495 514 ... 697 South Ayrshire 4 399 430 -31 467 541 572 593 608 ... 658 East Ayrshire 4 387 388 -1 404 440 510 562 586 ... 627 North Ayrshire 4 384 409 -25 428 441 459 469 492 ... 772 East Dunbartonshire 4 367 365 +2 383 382 375 404 429 ... 1150 Fife 4 363 375 -12 386 407 435 470 469 ... 597 South Lanarkshire 4 358 364 -6 378 382 398 396 406 ... 1013 West Dunbartonshire 4 353 369 -16 393 437 453 530 588 ... 1105 East Renfrewshire 4 338 332 +6 335 354 373 372 389 ... 1080 Aberdeenshire 4 335 330 +5 336 339 347 380 387 ... 424 Dumfries & Galloway 4 328 328 0 351 361 370 372 358 ... 620 Stirling 4 328 327 +1 338 366 377 389 374 ... 628 Renfrewshire 4 327 331 -4 341 371 393 413 421 ... 1041 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 321 317 +4 260 234 234 200 185 ... 170 Inverclyde 4 308 328 -20 345 365 379 388 387 ... 1238 Glasgow City 4 302 303 -1 312 328 347 368 384 ... 989 Midlothian 4 298 294 +4 312 327 369 395 392 ... 754 Moray 4 295 260 +35 250 231 226 228 218 ... 183 Clackmannanshire 4 292 281 +11 300 328 365 427 458 ... 704 Aberdeen City 4 266 266 0 284 292 288 312 322 ... 414 Argyll & Bute 4 261 280 -19 283 304 298 307 335 ... 712 Perth & Kinross 4 253 276 -23 280 304 334 369 405 ... 297 East Lothian 4 228 244 -16 252 265 272 272 263 ... 604 Scottish Borders 4 225 215 +10 200 188 216 211 223 ... 430 Edinburgh City 4 208 218 -10 231 238 255 282 286 ... 722 Angus 4 192 207 -15 220 234 259 274 305 ... 430 Highland 4 175 168 +7 170 168 169 187 194 ... 531 Shetland Islands 3 105 83 +22 74 70 57 52 57 ... 262 Orkney Islands 3 58 49 +9 49 85 85 63 80 ... 67 7-day averages Today Yesterday 2 Oct 1 Oct 30 Sep 29 Sep 28 Sep ... 1 Sep Tests 34194 34707 -513 34990 35457 36268 37270 38304 ... 46368 Cases 2469 2514 -45 2587 2694 2833 2992 3078 ... 5832 Positivity rate % 7.8 7.8 0.0 8.0 8.2 8.4 8.6 8.6 ... 13.3 Deaths 19 19 0 19 19 21 22 22 ... 6 All Vaccinations 7651 7112 +539 6583 6572 6130 6087 6098 ... 15364 1st Dose 5189 4531 +658 3879 3705 3378 3358 3391 ... 2844 2nd Dose 2462 2581 -119 2704 2867 2752 2729 2707 ... 12520 All in hospital 995 997 -2 1003 1009 1013 1021 1029 ... 524 Non-ICU 925 926 -1 931 935 937 944 950 ... 473 ICU 70 71 -1 72 74 76 77 79 ... 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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