Gizmo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Quote Matt Hancock - "The positivity rate from Bangladesh and Pakistan was 3x higher than that from India..." When those 2 countries were put on the red list on 2nd April 2021. Actual positivity rate of travellers from each country in the preceding week, used to back-up placing Bangladesh & Pakistan on the red list: "****ing useless" is probably a generous way of describing a serial liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, redjambo said: Today's trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier WHO Today Yesterday 18 Jun 17 Jun 16 Jun 15 Jun 14 Jun ... 1 May Scotland 138 135 +3 132 135 124 122 117 ... 22 Dundee City 2 4 298 325 -27 326 329 314 308 297 ... 13 Edinburgh City 2 4 227 220 +7 220 218 210 202 198 ... 27 East Lothian 1 4 216 186 +30 169 173 167 158 148 ... 5 East Ayrshire 2 4 211 210 +1 194 184 157 160 139 ... 45 South Ayrshire 2 4 205 228 -23 247 260 253 251 242 ... 25 East Dunbartonshire 2 4 200 181 +19 172 176 156 145 133 ... 51 Midlothian 2 4 176 161 +15 156 173 177 180 182 ... 10 East Renfrewshire 2 4 170 170 0 169 191 179 167 153 ... 24 West Dunbartonshire 1 4 169 141 +28 123 146 144 137 135 ... 28 Glasgow City 2 4 167 167 0 160 168 153 160 156 ... 33 North Ayrshire 2 4 160 149 +11 159 144 136 136 131 ... 17 Perth & Kinross 1 4 157 153 +4 161 167 149 167 158 ... 22 Argyll & Bute 1 / 0 4 156 142 +14 115 106 76 50 47 ... 7 North Lanarkshire 2 4 153 149 +4 149 147 129 119 115 ... 40 Clackmannanshire 2 3 147 159 -12 182 206 184 192 175 ... 14 Renfrewshire 2 3 146 154 -8 145 150 132 138 135 ... 20 Aberdeen City 1 3 126 122 +4 110 115 97 84 73 ... 13 West Lothian 1 3 126 121 +5 116 127 125 126 115 ... 26 South Lanarkshire 2 3 119 118 +1 118 119 104 104 101 ... 18 Scottish Borders 1 3 89 89 0 87 88 75 68 67 ... 6 Falkirk 1 3 88 88 0 75 71 58 50 39 ... 23 Stirling 2 3 80 83 -3 77 81 86 74 63 ... 11 Angus 1 3 79 86 -7 100 114 120 138 142 ... 7 Inverclyde 1 3 77 62 +15 60 60 53 46 46 ... 15 Fife 1 3 72 73 -1 72 78 69 64 63 ... 32 Aberdeenshire 1 3 55 45 +10 38 32 26 24 26 ... 8 Dumfries & Galloway 1 2 44 34 +10 35 39 38 40 38 ... 19 Shetland Islands 0 2 31 22 +9 4 0 0 0 0 ... 0 Highland 1 / 0 2 25 23 +2 20 16 14 12 12 ... 9 Orkney Islands 0 1 18 18 0 4 0 0 0 0 ... 0 Moray 1 1 13 10 +3 10 8 7 10 9 ... 65 Na h-Eileanan Siar 0 1 7 7 0 7 2 2 7 7 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 18 Jun 17 Jun 16 Jun 15 Jun 14 Jun ... 1 May Tests 26190 26298 -108 25990 25891 25518 25602 24761 ... 18484 Cases 1078 1054 +24 1028 1050 967 950 910 ... 171 Positivity rate % 4.4 4.3 +0.1 4.3 4.4 4.1 4.0 4.0 ... 1.1 Deaths 1.6 1.6 0.0 1.6 1.3 0.9 0.9 0.6 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 39873 40928 -1055 41876 43056 44139 45082 46703 ... 45346 1st Dose 19043 19127 -84 18939 18644 18473 18228 18764 ... 6677 2nd Dose 20830 21801 -971 22937 24412 25666 26854 27939 ... 38669 👍 Edited June 20, 2021 by The Real Maroonblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Hearing that there are a number of classes affected at Davidsons Mains PS. Edinburgh for top spot soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Nothing ever changes The squaddies still sniffing all the local women then Football related violence, Nucky. 👍 The videos are too big to upload here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just to give an idea of the age profile of current Covid cases, here's Travelling Tabby's chart covering the age groups for the 7-day period up to last Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Good thing that school holidays are just round the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: One vaccine expert now talking about possibly being able to lift restrictions in England on 5 July, due to the success of the vaccine and the uptake by under 30s. Good news. Meanwhile another arsehole from SAGE is predicting a miserable winter and a fourth wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Meanwhile another arsehole from SAGE is predicting a miserable winter and a fourth wave. Your right with your terminology about those Sage gits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Meanwhile another arsehole from SAGE is predicting a miserable winter and a fourth wave. I read that Seymour. Calum Semple iirc. He's been predicting from Day 1 that the sky would fall in. Thinks we'll have a miserable July, August & winter. Other respiratory viruses this time. When the new Covid symptoms turn out to be runny noses, they start scaremongering about other viruses. Utterly pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, jonesy said: Really positive stats there, M. Rouge. The sort of folk who should be catching the virus, those who should be out there, living there lives to the full now that the pandemic has passed, are indeed doing so, while the oldies must be mostly either a) safely tucked away or b) completely immune thanks to their double shot of Gatesorade. Meanwhile, as the age groups with high 'cases' now begin getting their second doses, we can expect these numbers to fall over the summer. That is, unless the increasingly sinister drive to test everyone, every day, with or without symptoms, continues. In which case we'll be going around in circles for years to come. Folk will still suffer, folk will still die - that's as inevitable as anything else in our lives. There are countless ways to die, many of which are preventable but without the sexiness and mystique of the old CV19. And yet we lived our lives in spite of these. Talk of waves and measures really ought to be left behind closed SAGE-ey type doors now and the normal folk allowed to move on. The disbandment of SAGE would be worth raising a glass to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: My niece and all her mates from school have tested positive in the past week (most with absolutely no symptoms), as have half of the youngsters at the supermarket where she works part time. A couple of folk have tested positive after the, erm, heated exchanges of words that took place between 3 Rifles and the locals in the Goodies on Friday night too. Auld Reekie will be snatching top spot from Scumdee before the fortnight is out. Guv, I remember back around 1982 when the Paras were based at Redford, there used to be talk of regular scraps with the locals up at the Goodies. I was only a laddie at the time but I remember hearing about it. I think the squaddies were banned from the Colinton Inn at one point too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 50 minutes ago, jonesy said: Really positive stats there, M. Rouge. The sort of folk who should be catching the virus, those who should be out there, living there lives to the full now that the pandemic has passed, are indeed doing so, while the oldies must be mostly either a) safely tucked away or b) completely immune thanks to their double shot of Gatesorade. Meanwhile, as the age groups with high 'cases' now begin getting their second doses, we can expect these numbers to fall over the summer. That is, unless the increasingly sinister drive to test everyone, every day, with or without symptoms, continues. In which case we'll be going around in circles for years to come. Folk will still suffer, folk will still die - that's as inevitable as anything else in our lives. There are countless ways to die, many of which are preventable but without the sexiness and mystique of the old CV19. And yet we lived our lives in spite of these. Talk of waves and measures really ought to be left behind closed SAGE-ey type doors now and the normal folk allowed to move on. Exactly my interpretation of the stats . Looking good really . 30 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I read that Seymour. Calum Semple iirc. He's been predicting from Day 1 that the sky would fall in. Thinks we'll have a miserable July, August & winter. Other respiratory viruses this time. When the new Covid symptoms turn out to be runny noses, they start scaremongering about other viruses. Utterly pathetic. Yes you know it’s an issue when they are now desperate with the runny nose symptoms ! Jezz . My friend who tested positive on Friday with those LFT says was fine but it def felt like a cold / runny nose / shivers and that was that . He’s now on road to “ recovery “ from it 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, jonesy said: On the contrary - having a group of well-educated, well-informed people offering guidance to governments based on data and real-world evidence (not agendas and certainly not modelling) ought to be something we maintain. Keeping its members and their speculative modal verbs well away from the frothy-mouthed media types who just lurve a sensationalist, fear-mongering, doom-laden headline should be a priority, however. Yes, it was tongue in cheek, of course we need to maintain them but in a back office role. It should be made clear to them that their role is advisory and they don't dance in the spotlight. The modelling is nonsensical as it always assumes that all those susceptible, whether they be non-vaccinated or whatever, will catch Covid. The most ridiculous line during this entire pandemic has been "the virus will find those who are susceptible ". Nonsense. Most of those people will not be anywhere near someone else who is positive. It doesn't factor in the low risk you have of catching it, vaccinated or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I read that Seymour. Calum Semple iirc. He's been predicting from Day 1 that the sky would fall in. Thinks we'll have a miserable July, August & winter. Other respiratory viruses this time. When the new Covid symptoms turn out to be runny noses, they start scaremongering about other viruses. Utterly pathetic. Actually I blamed SAGE there, although as you say they've been vocal about a miserable winter and court lockdown, however it wasn't them it was some Dr from PHE Dr Susan Hopkins, strategic response director. She's worried the NHS get overwhelmed. Not very good at her job would be my suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Pupkin Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Heard on the news a top doctor with expertise in vaccines, and tropical diseases, state that the vaccines work, and he doesn’t believe we are on the cusp of a 3rd Wave... Good to hear someone go against the doom mongering narrative we are being spoon fed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, redjambo said: Just to give an idea of the age profile of current Covid cases, here's Travelling Tabby's chart covering the age groups for the 7-day period up to last Thursday. That chart and the age groups published by governments do my head in. When shown as a graphical representation, it is misleading in identifying the age group with highest infection rate. 0-14 - 15 year range 15-19 - 5 year range 20-24 - 5 year range 25-44 - 20 year range 45-64 - 20 year range 65-74 - 10 year range 75-84 - 10 year range Multiply the 15-19 or 20-24 range by four to give a better comparison with the 25-44 age group and you will find that the infection rate is greater in those age groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: On the contrary - having a group of well-educated, well-informed people offering guidance to governments based on data and real-world evidence (not agendas and certainly not modelling) ought to be something we maintain. Keeping its members and their speculative modal verbs well away from the frothy-mouthed media types who just lurve a sensationalist, fear-mongering, doom-laden headline should be a priority, however. I read someone near the top of SAGE getting very defensive about criticism of the media and the public's failure to understand that criticism of the predictions of 200000 or 150000 or whatever deaths in a third wave misunderstood that these were not predictions but estimates of reasonable worst case outcomes. It seems to me that shows the limitations of "the science" and experts. If they put out such numbers they will inevitably generate scary misleading headlines. Maybe that is their intention but they cannot complain about misrepresentation when their public forecasts are not clearly accompanied by probabilities or levels of confidence but just "coulds" and "mays" and "mights". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: That chart and the age groups published by governments do my head in. When shown as a graphical representation, it is misleading in identifying the age group with highest infection rate. 0-14 - 15 year range 15-19 - 5 year range 20-24 - 5 year range 25-44 - 20 year range 45-64 - 20 year range 65-74 - 10 year range 75-84 - 10 year range Multiply the 15-19 or 20-24 range by four to give a better comparison with the 25-44 age group and you will find that the infection rate is greater in those age groups. Yeah, mine too, FF. Sadly, that's the data they provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Guv, I remember back around 1982 when the Paras were based at Redford, there used to be talk of regular scraps with the locals up at the Goodies. I was only a laddie at the time but I remember hearing about it. I think the squaddies were banned from the Colinton Inn at one point too. I've been drinking in the Colinton Inn since I moved to the area in 1982. I don't think that they were actually banned from the Colinton Inn, although the Royal Scot/Spylaw Tavern down the road may have done so. I know that they kept the phone number for the Military Police behind the bar at the Colinton Inn. The squaddies were reluctant to go as far as to get everyone banned from the pub, so any issues were quickly resolved, certainly when Mary McCabe, Brian/Jane McCann and Gordon Hendry ran the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 What constitutes a case - an asymptomatic person who tests positive using either of the flawed tests? PCR tests - the inventor said they shouldn't be used as a diagnostic tool and despite what "fact checking" sites say, he's on video stating this. One of the world's most prominent and successful lawyers, Reiner Fullmich, with the help of around 300 others, is using these flawed tests as the basis for multiple lawsuits worldwide. Lateral flow tests - slated by the CDC in America because they're unreliable and not fit for use over there. Still being used in the UK in their millions though. It takes a few minutes of research to find the above online. It's worth questioning the mainstream media narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: It takes a few minutes of research to find the above online. It's really clear you've only done a few minutes of 'research'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I’d never heard of Reiner Fuellmich before so did a quick search. Wow. Just.... wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 😂” breaking news “ “Concerns that the “Jock” variant brought down to London by Scottish football fans may react with the already prevalent “Kent” variant, creating the “Jock Kent” variant. Real concern is that if it spreads far enough it would become the “Big Jock Kent” variant.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: 😂” breaking news “ “Concerns that the “Jock” variant brought down to London by Scottish football fans may react with the already prevalent “Kent” variant, creating the “Jock Kent” variant. Real concern is that if it spreads far enough it would become the “Big Jock Kent” variant.” Symptoms include an urge to break benches in public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I've been drinking in the Colinton Inn since I moved to the area in 1982. I don't think that they were actually banned from the Colinton Inn, although the Royal Scot/Spylaw Tavern down the road may have done so. I know that they kept the phone number for the Military Police behind the bar at the Colinton Inn. The squaddies were reluctant to go as far as to get everyone banned from the pub, so any issues were quickly resolved, certainly when Mary McCabe, Brian/Jane McCann and Gordon Hendry ran the pub. Thanks for the reply, FF. Yes, maybe I'm thinking of the Spylaw or Royal Scot as it was. I'm sure the Military Police would be adept at sorting out any bother if they had to😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 My laddie has been in close contact with someone at school who’s tested positive. Now has to self isolate, that’s his last week of school done it seems. He’s gutted as he likes to say goodbye to the P7’s on the last day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I read someone near the top of SAGE getting very defensive about criticism of the media and the public's failure to understand that criticism of the predictions of 200000 or 150000 or whatever deaths in a third wave misunderstood that these were not predictions but estimates of reasonable worst case outcomes. It seems to me that shows the limitations of "the science" and experts. If they put out such numbers they will inevitably generate scary misleading headlines. Maybe that is their intention but they cannot complain about misrepresentation when their public forecasts are not clearly accompanied by probabilities or levels of confidence but just "coulds" and "mays" and "mights". They're always presented as worst case scenarios if no action is taken. We then take action, and halfwits complain about how the prediction was rubbish because we never hit those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Billy Gilmour positive apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: They're always presented as worst case scenarios if no action is taken. We then take action, and halfwits complain about how the prediction was rubbish because we never hit those numbers. But the modelling is flawed, worst case or not. Hospitals were cleared during the first wave due to the modelling, causing thousands to die in care homes when untested patients were transferred. The flawed modelling assumed, and still does a ridiculous level of population susceptibility to the virus. Had we not locked down, nowhere near 80% of the population would have caught Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, jonesy said: And rather irresponsibly, they’re always part of the headlines or opening paragraph of news stories. Which of course was my (half witted) point. And scientists are irresponsible in making sound bite statements on radio and TV and the internet in talking about what "could" or "might" or "may" happen usually without the magic "reasonable worst case" words and always with no quantification of probability/confidence level. The claim that the worst case didn't happen because of actions taken (or in the latest case not taken) is of course unprovable and a totally unscientific response to criticism of the forecast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 hours ago, iantjambo said: My laddie has been in close contact with someone at school who’s tested positive. Now has to self isolate, that’s his last week of school done it seems. He’s gutted as he likes to say goodbye to the P7’s on the last day Oh that’s a real Shame for him . Maybe you can organise a get together with him and a few pupils the next week ? At least it is something ? 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: Which of course was my (half witted) point. And scientists are irresponsible in making sound bite statements on radio and TV and the internet in talking about what "could" or "might" or "may" happen usually without the magic "reasonable worst case" words and always with no quantification of probability/confidence level. The claim that the worst case didn't happen because of actions taken (or in the latest case not taken) is of course unprovable and a totally unscientific response to criticism of the forecast. That’s always drove me mad through the whole pandemic. Those scientific phrases of “ could “ “ possibly “ “ maybe “ “ might “ etc I thought science was an exact area of expertise . Bloody havereres really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: Which of course was my (half witted) point. And scientists are irresponsible in making sound bite statements on radio and TV and the internet in talking about what "could" or "might" or "may" happen usually without the magic "reasonable worst case" words and always with no quantification of probability/confidence level. The claim that the worst case didn't happen because of actions taken (or in the latest case not taken) is of course unprovable and a totally unscientific response to criticism of the forecast. It's entirely provable. You just need to look at the graphs of the rapidly rising case numbers suddenly flattening out and dropping once lockdown measures were put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 "The claim that the worst case didn't happen because of actions taken (or in the latest case not taken) is of course unprovable" This is true. It isn't possible to prove that measures taken is the reason why a worst case or near worst case scenario was avoided. There may be other reasons why a worst case scenario did not occur. But it is at least as equally true that it is impossible to prove that measures taken did not prevent a worst case occurring. It cannot be proved either way. It's essentially one of those unprovable things that only needs a bit of common sense. Sadly lacking in some and conveniently under employed in some anaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Oh that’s a real Shame for him . Maybe you can organise a get together with him and a few pupils the next week ? At least it is something ? That’s always drove me mad through the whole pandemic. Those scientific phrases of “ could “ “ possibly “ “ maybe “ “ might “ etc I thought science was an exact area of expertise . Bloody havereres really Been confirmed by the school that her needs to isolate until next Monday. He’s devastated. We’ll try and get something organised for him next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: It's entirely provable. You just need to look at the graphs of the rapidly rising case numbers suddenly flattening out and dropping once lockdown measures were put in place. Heavy rain is forecast today. A reasonable worst case assumption is that I will get absolutely soaked if I go out without an umbrella, I take an umbrella but the forecast proves to be wrong and it is dry. Proof that my umbrella saved me from getting soaked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Victorian said: "The claim that the worst case didn't happen because of actions taken (or in the latest case not taken) is of course unprovable" This is true. It isn't possible to prove that measures taken is the reason why a worst case or near worst case scenario was avoided. There may be other reasons why a worst case scenario did not occur. But it is at least as equally true that it is impossible to prove that measures taken did not prevent a worst case occurring. It cannot be proved either way. It's essentially one of those unprovable things that only needs a bit of common sense. Sadly lacking in some and conveniently under employed in some anaw. The point being is maybe the measures were disproportionate to the perceived risk . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Heavy rain is forecast today. A reasonable worst case assumption is that I will get absolutely soaked if I go out without an umbrella, I take an umbrella but the forecast proves to be wrong and it is dry. Proof that my umbrella saved me from getting soaked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Been confirmed by the school that her needs to isolate until next Monday. He’s devastated. We’ll try and get something organised for him next week. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Heavy rain is forecast today. A reasonable worst case assumption is that I will get absolutely soaked if I go out without an umbrella, I take an umbrella but the forecast proves to be wrong and it is dry. Proof that my umbrella saved me from getting soaked? And even if it did rain, as forecast, it may turn out to be nothing more than drizzle, rather than the thunderstorm forecast. In that situation, the hassle of carrying an umbrella about all day may well have been deemed disproportionate to the risk of being caught by the drizzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Heavy rain is forecast today. A reasonable worst case assumption is that I will get absolutely soaked if I go out without an umbrella, I take an umbrella but the forecast proves to be wrong and it is dry. Proof that my umbrella saved me from getting soaked? Umbrellas kind of don't prevent rain from falling. The clouds sort of don't see some punter weilding a brolly and think "**** this, I'll no bother raining 'cos look... bloke's got an umbrella". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Victorian said: Umbrellas kind of don't prevent rain from falling. The clouds sort of don't see some punter weilding a brolly and think "**** this, I'll no bother raining 'cos look... bloke's got an umbrella". They do if you have a certain type of mindset as to how the world works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If Carlsberg did really shit analogies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, redjambo said: They do if you have a certain type of mindset as to how the world works. Indeedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Looks like we're losing control of the situation, imo. Scottish numbers: 21 June 2021 Summary 1,250* new cases of COVID-19 reported [+45; up from 761 a week ago] 18,580 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,518] 7.2% of these were positive [+1.4%] 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=] 14** people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 2 from Friday] 158** people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 30 from Friday] 3,647,437 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,586,970 have received their second dose [+16,848; +15,333] * PHS are aware of a data flow issue in NHS Grampian between 18 and 21 June 2021, resulting in a lower number of cases reported than otherwise expected. The issue has been resolved and these cases and tests are expected to be included in tomorrow’s figures. **NHS Lothian experienced server problems at the weekend, so have not been able to report data in time for publication. Figures reported on Saturday have been carried forward. This issue has been resolved and updated figures will be included tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Looks like we're losing control of the situation, imo. Scottish numbers: 21 June 2021 Summary 1,250* new cases of COVID-19 reported [+45; up from 761 a week ago] 18,580 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,518] 7.2% of these were positive [+1.4%] 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=] 14** people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 2 from Friday] 158** people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 30 from Friday] 3,647,437 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,586,970 have received their second dose [+16,848; +15,333] * PHS are aware of a data flow issue in NHS Grampian between 18 and 21 June 2021, resulting in a lower number of cases reported than otherwise expected. The issue has been resolved and these cases and tests are expected to be included in tomorrow’s figures. **NHS Lothian experienced server problems at the weekend, so have not been able to report data in time for publication. Figures reported on Saturday have been carried forward. This issue has been resolved and updated figures will be included tomorrow. Those are not good figures at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: Those are not good figures at all There have been roughly 1000 - 1200 daily cases for a wee while now. Hospital and ICU numbers are fairly steady and deaths are very low. I think we are in a wave, but nothing like previous ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: Those are not good figures at all Cheer up no deaths low ICU low hospital admissions . NHS not overwhelmed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: There have been roughly 1000 - 1200 daily cases for a wee while now. Hospital and ICU numbers are fairly steady and deaths are very low. I think we are in a wave, but nothing like previous ones Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: There have been roughly 1000 - 1200 daily cases for a wee while now. Hospital and ICU numbers are fairly steady and deaths are very low. I think we are in a wave, but nothing like previous ones It's the positivity (highest for ages) and the numbers in hospital - rising fast which are the worries. I agree re deaths but we will see a few more if hospital numbers continue to rise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Latest trend stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier WHO Today Yesterday 19 Jun 18 Jun 17 Jun 16 Jun 15 Jun ... 1 May Scotland 147 138 +9 135 132 135 124 122 ... 22 Dundee City 2 4 301 298 +3 325 326 329 314 308 ... 13 Edinburgh City 2 4 248 227 +21 220 220 218 210 202 ... 27 East Ayrshire 2 4 229 211 +18 210 194 184 157 160 ... 45 East Lothian 1 4 225 216 +9 186 169 173 167 158 ... 5 East Dunbartonshire 2 4 211 200 +11 181 172 176 156 145 ... 51 South Ayrshire 2 4 194 205 -11 228 247 260 253 251 ... 25 West Dunbartonshire 1 4 192 169 +23 141 123 146 144 137 ... 28 East Renfrewshire 2 4 183 170 +13 170 169 191 179 167 ... 24 Glasgow City 2 4 179 167 +12 167 160 168 153 160 ... 33 North Ayrshire 2 4 177 160 +17 149 159 144 136 136 ... 17 Midlothian 2 4 176 176 0 161 156 173 177 180 ... 10 Argyll & Bute 1 / 0 4 168 156 +12 142 115 106 76 50 ... 7 Perth & Kinross 1 4 164 157 +7 153 161 167 149 167 ... 22 North Lanarkshire 2 4 158 153 +5 149 149 147 129 119 ... 40 Renfrewshire 2 3 143 146 -3 154 145 150 132 138 ... 20 Clackmannanshire 2 3 140 147 -7 159 182 206 184 192 ... 14 West Lothian 1 3 134 126 +8 121 116 127 125 126 ... 26 South Lanarkshire 2 3 132 119 +13 118 118 119 104 104 ... 18 Aberdeen City 1 3 130 126 +4 122 110 115 97 84 ... 13 Scottish Borders 1 3 104 89 +15 89 87 88 75 68 ... 6 Falkirk 1 3 90 88 +2 88 75 71 58 50 ... 23 Inverclyde 1 3 89 77 +12 62 60 60 53 46 ... 15 Stirling 2 3 89 80 +9 83 77 81 86 74 ... 11 Fife 1 3 81 72 +9 73 72 78 69 64 ... 32 Angus 1 3 77 79 -2 86 100 114 120 138 ... 7 Aberdeenshire 1 3 64 55 +9 45 38 32 26 24 ... 8 Shetland Islands 0 3 52 31 +21 22 4 0 0 0 ... 0 Dumfries & Galloway 1 2 48 44 +4 34 35 39 38 40 ... 19 Highland 1 / 0 2 28 25 +3 23 20 16 14 12 ... 9 Orkney Islands 0 1 18 18 0 18 4 0 0 0 ... 0 Moray 1 1 15 13 +2 10 10 8 7 10 ... 65 Na h-Eileanan Siar 0 1 4 7 -3 7 7 2 2 7 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 19 Jun 18 Jun 17 Jun 16 Jun 15 Jun ... 1 May Tests 26590 26190 +400 26298 25990 25891 25518 25602 ... 18484 Cases 1148 1078 +70 1054 1028 1050 967 950 ... 171 Positivity rate % 4.6 4.4 +0.2 4.3 4.3 4.4 4.1 4.0 ... 1.1 Deaths 1.6 1.6 0.0 1.6 1.6 1.3 0.9 0.9 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 38557 39873 -1316 40928 41876 43056 44139 45082 ... 45346 1st Dose 18538 19043 -505 19127 18939 18644 18473 18228 ... 6677 2nd Dose 20019 20830 -811 21801 22937 24412 25666 26854 ... 38669 Daily data All in hospital 158 149 +9 145 128 140 133 137 ... 65 Non-ICU 144 137 +7 135 116 128 118 120 ... 54 ICU 14 12 +2 10 12 12 15 17 ... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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