King prawn Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: Cases have risen massively in France. They are averaging about 1,600 new cases per day just now. Deaths do not seem to be increasing tho. I suspect that’s down to it spreading amongst younger people, hospitals being better prepared and having more effective medications at hand. As long as deaths are not increasing, that’s a positive thing in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 The mooth getting ragdolled yet again by NS at Holyrood just now. She will never learn. Savage stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Do you think that you are better placed to give your opinion than a Professor of Epidemiology? Do I think that we've heard enough from modelling scientists about what could, might, could possibly, might have, would have happened. Yes. By all means, you hang on predictive modelling as if it were fact. Each to their own. It was a Professor in Town Planning who made such an erse of the traffic flow in Edinburgh several years ago. But, hey ignore the road users, local busimess owners, professional drivers. ...he's a Professor don't you know👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Do I think that we've heard enough from modelling scientists about what could, might, could possibly, might have, would have happened. Yes. By all means, you hang on predictive modelling as if it were fact. Each to their own. It was a Professor in Town Planning who made such an erse of the traffic flow in Edinburgh several years ago. But, hey ignore the road users, local busimess owners, professional drivers. ...he's a Professor don't you know👍 It was a simple question. Yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: It was a simple question. Yes or no? It was a ridiculous question. If everyone followed your thought process, we would all agree, and not challenge, the opinions of every so-called expert , most of whom disagree with each other. Go figure🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: 858 what? Deaths? There are 7500 each day in the States. Are they deaths WITH covid, DUE to Covid or just anyone who has ever had it? Who knows? You certainly don't so best not to spout nonsense You are the one who quoted numbers to show the virus in America was dying out. Then, when faced with facts you don't like you suddenly don't like the figures anymore. Laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: That will be catching some unreported deaths from the weekend where there were 480 and 566 reported. No argument there, just pointing out Enzo was talking rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Brilliant. Quote figures and then when figures are quoted back at you that don't fit your argument say the figures aren't trustworthy. How can you possibly be wrong when you adopt that approach. Exactly but doubt he will have an answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: It was a ridiculous question. If everyone followed your thought process, we would all agree, and not challenge, the opinions of every so-called expert , most of whom disagree with each other. Go figure🤣 Are you going to answer it or just continue avoiding it like a conservative MP? And do I think that people with absolutely zero expertise on a topic should not challenge the opinion of an expert in the field? Indeed I do. They should be challenged by their peers, not every pleb off the street. Edited August 12, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, XB52 said: You are the one who quoted numbers to show the virus in America was dying out. Then, when faced with facts you don't like you suddenly don't like the figures anymore. Laughable 12 deaths yesterday in the USA https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: 12 deaths yesterday in the USA https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ 1504 in the daily deaths graph. What are you looking at? Edit - you're looking at deaths so far today. It's still the early morning in America. Edited August 12, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: Are you going to answer it or just continue avoiding it like a conservative MP? Correct, I'm not going to answer it. A Conservative MP😶?From a fan of the National Socialist Party😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, XB52 said: Exactly but doubt he will have an answer I had an answer yesterday. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: 12 deaths yesterday in the USA https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ That's so far today, it's only 5am on the west coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: Correct, I'm not going to answer it. A Conservative MP😶?From a fan of the National Socialist Party😂 Of course you aren't. We all know the answer is a resounding NO. Given that you quite obviously know considerably less than someone you've already told us isn't worth listening to, we can deduce that everything you have to say on the subject should be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Hamilton genius Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: 1504 in the daily deaths graph. What are you looking at? Edit - you're looking at deaths so far today. It's still the early morning in America. Worlds ether updates during the day. The 12 deaths are from the only two States that have reported figures so far. Check it around 6 pm for proper figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, XB52 said: You are the one who quoted numbers to show the virus in America was dying out. Then, when faced with facts you don't like you suddenly don't like the figures anymore. Laughable I quoted the figures from one day. Another poster didn't like those figures so quoted me a higher figure from anothet day. I've consistently questioned the validity of stats quoted, .more or less from Day 1. Bash on and post nonsense though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 NS completely took apart the mooth here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Hamilton genius Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Worldometer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I quoted the figures from one day. Another poster didn't like those figures so quoted me a higher figure from anothet day. I've consistently questioned the validity of stats quoted, .more or less from Day 1. Bash on and post nonsense though You are beyond parody. You quoted a low figure because it fed into your erroneous theory that the virus was dying out in the USA. As everyone knows, the figures are always lower from the weekend. Deaths are rising in the USA, nobody but you can deny this. Deaths are going down in the UK which is good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: Of course you aren't. We all know the answer is a resounding NO. Given that you quite obviously know considerably less than someone you've already told us isn't worth listening to, we can deduce that everything you have to say on the subject should be ignored. Here we go again, round and round in circles. What a limited , narrow thought process you have. B follows A so A caused B. It would be intriguing to know how you process all the conflicting opinions from all the "experts ". Do you agree with Professor Hugh Pennington, for example? He's a Professor so, presumably the answer is Yes. Your head must be spinning with all those differing opinions. I recommend thinking for yourself👍. I'm jumping off the roundabout now👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Here we go again, round and round in circles. What a limited , narrow thought process you have. B follows A so A caused B. It would be intriguing to know how you process all the conflicting opinions from all the "experts ". Do you agree with Professor Hugh Pennington, for example? He's a Professor so, presumably the answer is Yes. Your head must be spinning with all those differing opinions. I recommend thinking for yourself👍. I'm jumping off the roundabout now👍 Good, off you pop. I'd certainly agree that Prof Pennington is considerably more knowledgable than me. Edited August 12, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, XB52 said: You are beyond parody. You quoted a low figure because it fed into your erroneous theory that the virus was dying out in the USA. As everyone knows, the figures are always lower from the weekend. Deaths are rising in the USA, nobody but you can deny this. Deaths are going down in the UK which is good news I responded to a post from our resident Trump obsessed American doom monger who pointed out 1000 were dying a day. I quoted a figure from another day. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I responded to a post from our resident Trump obsessed American doom monger who pointed out 1000 were dying a day. I quoted a figure from another day. That's all. You used the numbers of a day that always has a lower rate than every other day of the week in order to try and push your false narrative that the death rate in America is plummeting. Edited August 12, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: 1504 in the daily deaths graph. What are you looking at? Edit - you're looking at deaths so far today. It's still the early morning in America. Yes sorry my error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 This thread turning into an amusing little bun fight about mortality and death tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 53 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: NS completely took apart the mooth here. Who’s mooth? what she say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: 12 deaths yesterday in the USA https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Trump, dat you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: Trump, dat you? LOL to err is to be human and all that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 A graph paints a thousand words. Deaths due to Covid in the US, up to yesterday: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: Who’s mooth? what she say? Lady Ruth Davidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Lady Ruth Davidson Why called mooth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 hours ago, jack D and coke said: This thread turning into an amusing little bun fight about mortality and death tbh. With no deaths in Scotland for about a month now folk are having to argue about death rates in other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Just now, Shanks said: With no deaths in Scotland for about a month now folk are having to argue about death rates in other countries. I think there are two major problems with this thread (and one of the reasons I've tended to avoid it for a while now): (i) there's a shed load of political bickering and point-scoring goes on, (ii) there's a constant fight between science/information and dogma/misinformation. I hadn't realised quite how many folk develop conceptions of the world and then attempt to justify and defend those by twisting or ignoring reality as they see fit. It's almost as if we're starting to live in an age of anti-enlightenment. And this thread encapsulates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: Why called mooth? Talks shite all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Why are teachers so worried about going back? Or is it just teachers of a certain sex and in a certain age bracket that are worried? And now they are to get on demand testing even if they are showing no symptoms. Where was that additional support for retail staff and lorry drivers for example all through lock down when they had to keep the country functioning? Sure they did not get offered that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: Why are teachers so worried about going back? Or is it just teachers of a certain sex and in a certain age bracket that are worried? And now they are to get on demand testing even if they are showing no symptoms. Where was that additional support for retail staff and lorry drivers for example all through lock down when they had to keep the country functioning? Sure they did not get offered that. A road haulage firm or shop struggling with Covid doesn't have the same political capital as Schools. Realpolitik!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 4 hours ago, jack D and coke said: This thread turning into an amusing little bun fight about mortality and death tbh. All this mortality and death chat has given me the mind for a couple of pints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: All this mortality and death chat has given me the mind for a couple of pints. 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, joondalupjambo said: Why are teachers so worried about going back? Or is it just teachers of a certain sex and in a certain age bracket that are worried? And now they are to get on demand testing even if they are showing no symptoms. Where was that additional support for retail staff and lorry drivers for example all through lock down when they had to keep the country functioning? Sure they did not get offered that. Anyone can get tested. Just go online and book a test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: All this mortality and death chat has given me the mind for a couple of pints. My finger has hovered over “Add to basket” with one of the these Beerhawk machines for a bit now and I’m exceptionally weak on these fine evenings too thinking about that golden delicious.. The trigger might get pulled.. 😬😋 Edited August 12, 2020 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: The trigger might get pulled.. 😬😋 Pitchao... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 46 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: My finger has hovered over “Add to basket” with one of the these Beerhawk machines for a bit now and I’m exceptionally weak on these fine evenings too thinking about that golden delicious.. The trigger might get pulled.. 😬😋 What are they and do they do Cider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 More than 5000 less deaths must be a cause to celebrate 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Ray Gin said: I'm quoting from a professor of Epidemiology at Edinburgh Uni. I'd wager he is more clued up than you. Laughable isn't it. These experts are questionable, don't take them seriously, take heed oh what every non educated Tom, Dick and tit on a football forum has to say on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Laughable isn't it. These experts are questionable, don't take them seriously, take heed oh what every non educated Tom, Dick and tit on a football forum has to say on the topic. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Laughable isn't it. These experts are questionable, don't take them seriously, take heed oh what every non educated Tom, Dick and tit on a football forum has to say on the topic. I've taken heed and put you on ignore😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Francis Albert said: See Czechoslovakia in 1968 and Hungary in 1956 for example. They were never in the Soviet Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, coconut doug said: They were never in the Soviet Union. Satellite states. Free and democtatic satellite states. 52 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I've taken heed and put you on ignore😂. 19 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: https://apple.news/AQ05AVX-IRGeA1lC7M_aLOw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, coconut doug said: They were never in the Soviet Union. Yet even then Russia or the Soviet Union if you like sent in the tanks in response to popular dissent. I think you know what the response would have been (and in fact was) in the case of dissent within the Soviet Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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