Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Taffin said: What about the % that's not included though? I assumed that meant they'd died. In which case it's worse to be a current smoker. Strange that they don't include the death rate %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GinRummy said: More alarming is that of you have one or more of the listed conditions you’ve got a better chance of doing well. If you have chronic liver disease you’re best starting smoking to lower your risk. 😂 I also depends on what treatments you are currently on for any underlying condition. I have arthritis but only on one immunosuppressant drug. If i were on several my risk would be much higher. However I am classed as " low risk" Edited April 3, 2020 by JamesM48 spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Strange that they don't include the death rate %. Maybe mostly still in icu so death rate might be misleading? Edit no that’s wrong. Forget that. Edited April 3, 2020 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, JamesM48 said: I also depends on what treatments you are currently on for any underlying condition. I have arthritis but only on an immunosuppressant drug. If i were on several my risk would be much higher. However I am classed as " low risk" Good point. Similarly I have stage 3 chronic kidney disease which means my kidneys function well enough to lead a normal life whereas someone on dialysis would be at a far greater risk (I’d imagine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: Good point. Similarly I have stage 3 chronic kidney disease which means my kidneys function well enough to lead a normal life whereas someone on dialysis would be at a far greater risk (I’d imagine). Exactly. The more treatment you need i,e meds, etc the more risk you have of being seriously ill with it but not necessarily dying ! The more meds you take the more it can affect your immune system. Yes i was relieved when I spoke to my consultant at the WG who assured me I shouldn't be " too concerned". Shes always very honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, JamesM48 said: Exactly. The more treatment you need i,e meds, etc the more risk you have of being seriously ill with it but not necessarily dying ! The more meds you take the more it can affect your immune system. Yes i was relieved when I spoke to my consultant at the WG who assured me I shouldn't be " too concerned". Shes always very honest. Yeah good to get the right medical advice so you know where you stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Taffin said: What about the % that's not included though? I assumed that meant they'd died. In which case it's worse to be a current smoker. It’s strange they just don’t show the death rate leaving you to assume. Makes me think the uncounted figure may be a mix of more than one thing but no idea what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Yeah good to get the right medical advice so you know where you stand. I was meant to see her at the WG . Its my annual check up which coincidently came at the right time. We just had a phone consultation due to the current crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-plea-for-more-volunteers-to-take-part-in-essential-clinical-trials-11968100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulpener Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: That's the way I'm reading that as well. Current smoker has only a 5% chance of being in ICU, whilst a former smoker has a 20% chance. No way can those stats be correct. My Dad is a former smoker. He stopped many years ago, but had smoked a lot for the previous 30 years. He now has emphysema and struggles. I can see someone who smokes a lot now being in better health than my Dad who is a former smoker. Statistics eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I was meant to see her at the WG . Its my annual check up which coincidently came at the right time. We just had a phone consultation due to the current crisis. My annual MOT was cancelled, was due to have been last month. 3 minutes ago, Gulpener said: My Dad is a former smoker. He stopped many years ago, but had smoked a lot for the previous 30 years. He now has emphysema and struggles. I can see someone who smokes a lot now being in better health than my Dad who is a former smoker. Statistics eh? I'm an ex-smoker as well, smoked 25+ a day for about 30 years as well and stopped 8 years ago, fortunately lungs are as sound as a bell. There will be huge differences such as myself & your dad in every ailment, some will be better or worse and everything inbetween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Cade said: Yesterday: Hancock plucks a "100,000 tests a day" figure out his arse. Today: NHS laboratories, testing manufacturers and scientists say there is no danger of that even coming close to being achieved by the end of the month. That didn't last long. Also in today's news; the USA has intercepted a consignment of 200,000 masks purchased by the German Police and taken them for themselves. They took them during a cargo plane transfer in Thailand. Germany has made a formal protest to the WTO for breach of international trading law. New York is running out of supplies because other US States are outbidding them for things that they don't need yet, but NY does. NY governor is resorting to seizing items from hospitals that are not at full capacity and redistributing them to ones that are. It's gone totally bonkers over there. Mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Mental America in being greedy self centred *******s shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said: America in being greedy self centred *******s shocker. I take it this was what Trump was eluding to when he mentioned 3m yesterday And aye the seperate states being greedy ****s Edited April 3, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: That's the way I'm reading that as well. Current smoker has only a 5% chance of being in ICU, whilst a former smoker has a 20% chance. No way can those stats be correct. I have no idea. One theory being banded around and has done since the outbreak began is smokers are more accustomed to having less oxygen in their blood. I do know smokers tend to suffer from altitude sickness a lot less than non smokers. Edited April 3, 2020 by BlackJAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 weeks of dats from worldometers, France , Spain & USA daily critically ill figures surpassing Italy's. Germany's figure has suddenly doubled over last 3 days (not icluded) to just under 4k. UK obviously not coming clean yet, as Germany previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: I take it this was what Trump was eluding to when he mentioned 3m yesterday And aye the seperate states being greedy ****s They have to be careful. 3M might manufacture in the US, but they don't get the materials from the US. In fact, Trump wants to ban them sending the masks to Canada, yet 3M import the pulp from Canada. So if he carries on that way, canada will make their own and America will have to source that material from another country they aren't willing to share with. This is why Trump and his mates in the media are currently attacking 3M. But they've failed to realise when it comes to masks, the US needs Canada more than Canada needs the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hancock's gobshite claim that "we'll hit the peak by Easter" has been "over interpreted" according to Hancock. So it turns out that setting dates and targets and numbers at random is absolute baws after all. Whoda thunk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said: They have to be careful. 3M might manufacture in the US, but they don't get the materials from the US. In fact, Trump wants to ban them sending the masks to Canada, yet 3M import the pulp from Canada. So if he carries on that way, canada will make their own and America will have to source that material from another country they aren't willing to share with. This is why Trump and his mates in the media are currently attacking 3M. But they've failed to realise when it comes to masks, the US needs Canada more than Canada needs the US. Thanks for that only seen the tweet where he vaguely mentioned 3m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cade said: Hancock's gobshite claim that "we'll hit the peak by Easter" has been "over interpreted" according to Hancock. So it turns out that setting dates and targets and numbers at random is absolute baws after all. Whoda thunk it. Said it on here yesterday it's just another number to spout.Give it a week or two of more criticism and 1m will come out someone's mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 The 5G stuff is all bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Away wi yer conspiracy pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Smithee said: People were claiming they kill birds out the sky too, every claim I've seen has been roundly debunked. Is it even slightly likely that a company would put these things out knowing the financial liability that death and sickness would bring their way? Absolute bollocks. There’s plenty stuff online that says wi-fi causes the same type of stuff as 5G so if you’re eventually replacing one with the other then what’s the odds. Agree though, it’s probably all rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic roundabout Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I think the percentage of ex-smokers maybe misleading. Remember smoking was very common in the 50s 60s and 70's only the last 20 years we have seen big reductions. Given older people are more at risk from sadly passing on its likely a higher percentage of the smoked in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: People were claiming they kill birds out the sky too, every claim I've seen has been roundly debunked. Is it even slightly likely that a company would put these things out knowing the financial liability that death and sickness would bring their way? Absolute bollocks. You could argue big tobacco did it for decades (they knew for many many years how dangerous their product was) but bashed on regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Balmy conditions forecast, barmy natives ignoring instructions to bide at home. A Bawbag Hurricane or Beast from the East wouldn't go amiss right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: You could argue big tobacco did it for decades (they knew for many many years how dangerous their product was) but bashed on regardless. Indeed, but science has got to a point where they'd never get away with it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Smithee said: Indeed, but science has got to a point where they'd never get away with it now. Maybees aye maybes naw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: You could argue big tobacco did it for decades (they knew for many many years how dangerous their product was) but bashed on regardless. True. The 5g thing is probably more comparable to the dangers of microwave ovens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Maybees aye maybes naw. Maybes maybe! I get where you're coming from but the whole 5g thing has been debunked outside the industry. I'm always happy to get to the truth though, so if someone has scientific publications that say otherwise I'll be the first to check them out. I won't hold my breath though, I've looked into this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Breathing in daily car fumes will do a helluva lot more damage than any 5g tower ffs. Can't believe folk entertain this stuff. I mean, I'm not saying anything is without risk, but I'm sure we all do a lot more damage to our bodies by simply breathing than anything a 5g mast could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVodka Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: That's the way I'm reading that as well. Current smoker has only a 5% chance of being in ICU, whilst a former smoker has a 20% chance. No way can those stats be correct. dubious stats, or the way they are presented. Smokers and former smokers could also be included in other categories-such as chronic lung diseases, or basically any other categories basic logic should indicate that a smoker of 20 years would have a lower lung function to that of a never smoker same age, weight etc the cardiovascular issues is a concerning one as they haven’t worked out a definitive reason why people who have these conditions are at a larger risk if the virus's main target is respiratory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said: Breathing in daily car fumes will do a helluva lot more damage than any 5g tower ffs. Can't believe folk entertain this stuff. I mean, I'm not saying anything is without risk, but I'm sure we all do a lot more damage to our bodies by simply breathing than anything a 5g mast could do. I agree wholeheartedly. But, folk dragging on 20/30/40 ‘fags’ a day must be doing themselves the world of good too? People slowly reduce their lifespan, everyday. Because they think ‘it won’t happen to me’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodanny Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Sooperstar said: Opened the champers at 4. Going through the Tennents and Stella now before we resort to Unicum. 😃Been enjoying a nice Merlot, alongside my Arran Blonde. Listening to Bob Dylan and Julie Fowlis, feel a wee Old Pulteney coming on. Right now Covid19 is far away outside our window. Long may the f u c k e r stay there. Enjoy your bevvy Sooperstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, DarthVodka said: dubious stats, or the way they are presented. Smokers and former smokers could also be included in other categories-such as chronic lung diseases, or basically any other categories basic logic should indicate that a smoker of 20 years would have a lower lung function to that of a never smoker same age, weight etc the cardiovascular issues is a concerning one as they haven’t worked out a definitive reason why people who have these conditions are at a larger risk if the virus's main target is respiratory Complete guess of course but given the respiratory and cardiovascular systems are closely related, it would seem likely if you've got issue with your cardiovascular system then your respiratory system might not be in the best condition either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BlackJAC? said: America in being greedy self centred *******s shocker. Piracy now. The *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Health officials advise masks, Trump won't wear one President Donald Trump has announced the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) now recommends that Americans use non-medical, cloth face coverings to help prevent the spread of the virus. "From recent studies we know that the transmission from individuals without symptoms is playing a more significant role in the spread of the virus than previously understood," Mr Trump said. "With the masks, it's going to really be a voluntary thing," he emphasised. "It's voluntary, you do not have to do it. I don't think I'm going to be doing it." He notes the CDC is not recommending the use of medical-grade masks, as those should go to health care workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 “I won’t be doing it, personally,” Trump said about masks - it wouldn’t suit his position. It’s not quite meant for “presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings queens,” he continued. “I don’t know, somehow, I don’t see it for myself.” AHM NO WEARING A MASK LIKES AHM TOO IMPORTUNT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, neilnunb said: Health officials advise masks, Trump won't wear one President Donald Trump has announced the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) now recommends that Americans use non-medical, cloth face coverings to help prevent the spread of the virus. "From recent studies we know that the transmission from individuals without symptoms is playing a more significant role in the spread of the virus than previously understood," Mr Trump said. "With the masks, it's going to really be a voluntary thing," he emphasised. "It's voluntary, you do not have to do it. I don't think I'm going to be doing it." He notes the CDC is not recommending the use of medical-grade masks, as those should go to health care workers. Who cares what he does. He thinks he’s the star of his own film. Egomaniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Who cares what he does. He thinks he’s the star of his own film. Egomaniac. Surely that would be virtually everyone on facebook, twitter etc etc etc. Social media is wall to wall egomaniacs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Why is it we don’t have enough masks? “The previous administration,” Trump said. “Speak to the people from the previous administration. The shelves were empty.” IT WIZ OBAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Surely that would be virtually everyone on facebook, twitter etc etc etc. Social media is wall to wall egomaniacs. I don’t have any if that shite but I believe you. I’ve seen enough on other folks phones etc to know I never want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Barack said: can someone photoshop a mask onto him with boxes of masks behind him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 "I was never involved with the models...at least not this kind..." 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Gulpener said: My Dad is a former smoker. He stopped many years ago, but had smoked a lot for the previous 30 years. He now has emphysema and struggles. I can see someone who smokes a lot now being in better health than my Dad who is a former smoker. Statistics eh? is the correct answer - I hope ur dads ok alot of ex-smokers are ill (that’s why a lot of them gave up) - so will struggle A lot of current smokers aren’t ill (yet) - won’t struggle so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic roundabout Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The argument they make isn't related to fibre cable (as you say we have been using that for years) it is the frequency waves that 5g uses across the air that people freak out about. Obviously they are wrong. The evidence actually points towards 4g masts being more dangerous if anything. And by dangerous I mean if you sat your head against the tower all day everyday. Agree they guys are just laying cables it's irrespective what g it is. Sorry anyone thinks this is related to coronavirus or any ill health are barking up the wrong tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Wuhan was closed down on January the 23rd. Like properly closed down. Even went as far as to weld some people into their buildings ffs. None of this half assed shit we're seeing here in the UK and what we initially seen in Italy etc. This is gonna be our life at least until August and that is being generous because only now are they opening Wuhan after they took brutal measures. That thought is somehow more depressing than the actual virus. I'd be surprised if London wasn't under some sort of lockdown at least until the beginning of next year. Edited April 4, 2020 by BlackJAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 hours ago, milky_26 said: can someone photoshop a mask onto him with boxes of masks behind him Best I can do on my phone, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 hours ago, BlackJAC? said: Wuhan was closed down on January the 23rd. Like properly closed down. Even went as far as to weld some people into their buildings ffs. None of this half assed shit we're seeing here in the UK and what we initially seen in Italy etc. This is gonna be our life at least until August and that is being generous because only now are they opening Wuhan after they took brutal measures. That thought is somehow more depressing than the actual virus. I'd be surprised if London wasn't under some sort of lockdown at least until the beginning of next year. Spot on squire. Governments know that if they said later dates at the start folk would be up in arms. the guy from world health organisation reckons vulnerable folk could be locked down for a year. Short of a vaccine or something else to suppress the problem it’s going to take a while sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 China using their surveillance system to track and lock down the country. Now Europe likely to do the same, with cctv and mobile phone GPS. Mind when everyone slaughtered China for having this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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