GinRummy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: Germany has a population of 83 million compared to the UK's 68 million and yet so far has only a third of the number of deaths from the virus, and you don't consider that unusual? No. They test and trace which follows WHO guidelines. Clearly a lot of people being diagnosed and kept isolated whereas people in this country were dismissing their symptoms as the cold and going about their daily business. Test, test, test was the WHO guideline. The uk done that initially, banged on about herd immunity for a couple of days, distanced themselves from that and the testing from then till now has been absolutely disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: Germany has a population of 83 million compared to the UK's 68 million and yet so far has only a third of the number of deaths from the virus, and you don't consider that unusual? Is there ICU capacity not far greater than other countries in Europe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Do they not count the cause of death different ? So they only call it a covid-19 death if they have no underlying conditions. I very much doubt it, VV. Evidence of this suggestion required, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Is there ICU capacity not far greater than other countries in Europe ? Yes. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-012-2627-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, redjambo said: I very much doubt it, VV. Evidence of this suggestion required, methinks. I read that much stuff it might have been another country or it might have been shite mate that's why I put the question mark in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 That was a hard hour viewing of C4 news. Magnificent and comprehensive coverage but what a grim picture. You don't get the true picture from the BBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Yes. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-012-2627-8 **** me look at how far the UK is down that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, vegas-voss said: I read that much stuff it might have been another country or it might have been shite mate that's why I put the question mark in. No probs, VV. An interesting article on the differences in reporting: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/31/counting-coronavirus-different-countries-calculating-death-tolls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: **** me look at how far the UK is down that list I know. Sobering stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Cade said: 20th March: EasyJet pays out over £170million in dividends. 31st March: EasyJet begs for a government bailout. *yes, I know that the dividend was announced at the AGM in february and was legally binding 1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Link please. Wonder if you've found a link for your claim about Easyjet begging the government for a bailout. Got to admit I'm struggling to find one myself. Plenty about Loganair being on the verge of asking the government for a bailout and lots of stories about Easyjet grounding their fleet, but nothing that I can see about Easyjet asking for a bailout. Could you have got the wrong airline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, redjambo said: I know. Sobering stuff. Yep an absolute disgrace for a country of our wealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Victorian said: That was a hard hour viewing of C4 news. Magnificent and comprehensive coverage but what a grim picture. You don't get the true picture from the BBC. I'm going to start watching. Been mostly sky news for me up until now. What time is C4 news on at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Yep an absolute disgrace for a country of our wealth in Scotland the figure was 5, in Wales 6 and in England 7 per 100k.. really bad we talk about quadrupling capacity, it’s nowhere near enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: Just found out I’ve got a close and vulnerable family member displaying the symptoms of COVID-19. Really not the day for that news to come through. Im going to bow out of this site for a while as I’m not sure my being on here is going to do my mood much good. To all of you, even those I have my regular run ins with, I hope you and yours stay safe and well and see you all on the other side. Sorry to hear that BJ. I really hope for a happy ending for you and your family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, Homme said: I'm going to start watching. Been mostly sky news for me up until now. What time is C4 news on at? 7pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Wonder if you've found a link for your claim about Easyjet begging the government for a bailout. Got to admit I'm struggling to find one myself. Plenty about Loganair being on the verge of asking the government for a bailout and lots of stories about Easyjet grounding their fleet, but nothing that I can see about Easyjet asking for a bailout. Could you have got the wrong airline. I found this but it refers to taxpayer backed bridging loans https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/12/airlines-call-johnson-bailouts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, redjambo said: The surprising figure is the low number of folk that are dying compared to the number who are infected. UK: 29,474 cases - 2,352 deaths Germany: 76,544 cases - 858 deaths That can't all be down to increased testing. When they're actually airlifting French patients in Alsace to German hospitals, you know they're doing something right. But, as you say, let's wait and see, But bear in mind that it's not just more testing - it's way more. The other issue is who is being tested as some groups (e.g. frontline staff) are more likely to test positive than others. Generally comparing the figures from one country to the other is like comparing apples and pears as there are many variables. Similarly comparing the trajectory of the spread on a daily basis from one country to another is very simplistic because the way the virus has spread geographically in different countries varies greatly. Unfortunately what we can say with a fair degree of certainty is that virtually every country in western Europe and North America is going to be badly hit to a greater or lesser extent. These really are grim times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: See below; A FIRM that stepped up to help build thousands of much-needed ventilators was turned down by the Government because it failed to meet its standards, the city’s MP has said. Worcester-based Gtech, which answered an important Government call to help design and build some of the 30,000 required ventilators to deal with an expected flood of coronavirus patients, was told last week its services were no longer required by the government. City MP Robin Walker said: “My understanding is that, having checked with the Department for Health, Gtech failed the specifications and didn’t quite meet what had been set which is why they weren’t asked to produce any more.” Gtech owner Nick Grey said his team’s ventilators had not been “snubbed” and he was relieved the government was not forced to use his “rudimentary” designs because the coronavirus crisis was so bad. He said it would need to be a “big shock” and “real emergency” if Gtech’s rudimentary ventilators were needed by the NHS at this stage. “It’s good for everybody that they didn’t need the simple option because it would mean we were in a very desperate situation,” he said. Dyson was from scratch. I'm pretty sure Gtech could have modified the problem, ASAP, just look at Mercedes F1. But hey, let's give a donor the contract and wait 6 weeks at least for the supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Cade said: Worker in the Amazon plant in Fife tests positive. Staff are already unhappy at the lack of any kind of PPE and blatant disregard of distancing guidelines. It'll tear through that place like wildfire. The warehouse is enormous, when I was there last month you would be hard pushed to see 2 staff within shouting distance of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: I found this but it refers to taxpayer backed bridging loans https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/12/airlines-call-johnson-bailouts/ It's a different thing, that was calling for industry wide help, and it was before the government announced the 80% wages thing & it's dated 12 March. The claim was that Easyjet begged for a bailout yesterday 31 March. Which incidentally nobody seems to have reported anything about, might be a reason why nothing's been mentioned about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 6 week old baby in the US dies from Covid-19. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/newborn-in-connecticut-dies-of-coronavirus/2248709/%3famp Edited April 1, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Dyson was from scratch. I'm pretty sure Gtech could have modified the problem, ASAP, just look at Mercedes F1. But hey, let's give a donor the contract and wait 6 weeks at least for the supply. Would you not think if Gtech could have modified it, Nick Grey would have mentioned that, instead of calling his design the simple option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 First Covid 19 death on Isle of Man today Only 8 ventilators on the island so won’t cope if it escalates as per elsewhere about 60 positive tests so far here but tests sent to UK to be checked and now taking 14 days to get results back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: 6 week old baby in the US dies from Covid-19. Tragic https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490654-connecticut-confirms-death-of-6-week-old-baby-linked-to-coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Would you not think if Gtech could have modified it, Nick Grey would have mentioned that, instead of calling his design the simple option. Lots of simple options to help save lives.The F1 one is a fairly simple ( but effective ) looking device. Edited April 1, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: 6 week old baby in the US dies from Covid-19. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/newborn-in-connecticut-dies-of-coronavirus/2248709/%3famp There are younger infected babies in Scotland at this moment in time. Very scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Lots of simple options to help save lives.The F1 one is a fairly simple looking device. Indeed, but my understanding is that the F1 one isn't a ventilator, it's a breathing aid and it's based upon those currently already in use in the NHS. The F1 device is to try and help prevent people getting bad enough for them to have to go onto a ventilator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) I seen on the news late this week where doctors/designers all over the world where developing simple solutions for ventilators.One guys words stood out he said the simple pen is used to get give air when there is nothing else,so yes these ventilators are great but are more simple quicker solution will save many more lives.I think this is what the Mercedes device is going to give. Edited April 1, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Indeed, but my understanding is that the F1 one isn't a ventilator, it's a breathing aid and it's based upon those currently already in use in the NHS. The F1 device is to try and help prevent people getting bad enough for them to have to go onto a ventilator. Yes it is mate you are right. Edited April 1, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Indeed, but my understanding is that the F1 one isn't a ventilator, it's a breathing aid and it's based upon those currently already in use in the NHS. The F1 device is to try and help prevent people getting bad enough for them to have to go onto a ventilator. Your right. CPAP machines or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Only downside to the F1 device is it needs changing after 20 laps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, Homme said: There are younger infected babies in Scotland at this moment in time. Very scary. That doesn't sound like good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Looking like another doctor has died, that'll be 5 in the UK now if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Would you not think if Gtech could have modified it, Nick Grey would have mentioned that, instead of calling his design the simple option. The simple option would have done for now, until upgrades were in place. Or is nothing better than something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: The simple option would have done for now, until upgrades were in place. Or is nothing better than something? wrong, before any could be used they needed approved. if you try and use something that is not approved or does not meet the required standard you could do more harm than good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, milky_26 said: wrong, before any could be used they needed approved. if you try and use something that is not approved or does not meet the required standard you could do more harm than good. As I said, Mercedes did it in a week. I'm sure standards would be met, or why are Gtech even in business. Anyway, it doesn't matter, anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: The simple option would have done for now, until upgrades were in place. Or is nothing better than something? His design failed the specs required. Just imagine the row if the government had went ahead with his rudamentary design and it failed to do the job, get fecking slaughtered they would, not just that, but surely you actually want something that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: As I said, Mercedes did it in a week. I'm sure standards would be met, or why are Gtech even in business. Anyway, it doesn't matter, anymore. Because they took an existing design and improved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said: His design failed the specs required. Just imagine the row if the government had went ahead with his rudamentary design and it failed to do the job, get fecking slaughtered they would, not just that, but surely you actually want something that works. Whatever. As long as Dyson gets his passed, everyone is happy. If their not all dead by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Because they took an existing design and improved it. Exactly! Who's Gtech selling to, btw. The blun asylum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, ri Alban said: As I said, Mercedes did it in a week. I'm sure standards would be met, or why are Gtech even in business. Anyway, it doesn't matter, anymore. but those standards had not been met for the design they submitted. and it is a massive difference between making a vacuum cleaner and a medical device. if your vacuum cleaner fails you have a dirty house, if their ventilator fails it will most likely cost people their lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Whatever. As long as Dyson gets his passed, everyone is happy. If their not all dead by then. so the fact jambo-jimbo isn't saying what you want to hear it is whatever. that is a dangerous attitude to take when it is people lives that are on the line. and their is no guarantee that the dyson one will get approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, milky_26 said: but those standards had not been met for the design they submitted. and it is a massive difference between making a vacuum cleaner and a medical device. if your vacuum cleaner fails you have a dirty house, if their ventilator fails it will most likely cost people their lives I'm sure Dyson will keep our lungs clear. and I'm sure working with the EU would have helped, but hey... Nothing is better than something, isn't it. Personally, I'd take a hose and foot bump if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Victorian said: That was a hard hour viewing of C4 news. Magnificent and comprehensive coverage but what a grim picture. You don't get the true picture from the BBC. It was fun watching them doing damage control over President Trump's increasing approval rating. Gotta protect the narrative at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, milky_26 said: so the fact jambo-jimbo isn't saying what you want to hear it is whatever. that is a dangerous attitude to take when it is people lives that are on the line. and their is no guarantee that the dyson one will get approval. Dyson? Has his plans not been approved before manufacturing? Surely he has a prototype, or has he been handed a blank cheque. Edited April 1, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 14 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: Of course they are. Short of a miracle vaccine in record time it's probably the only realistic way out. They're just trying to spread out the pain as best they can. We're already getting used to seeing the horrific death toll rolling in from here and other countries. It's becoming normalised. Strap yersels in, folks. Only problem is that it is not known if people who have had it mildly are immune or not...A larger viral load or a mutated strain which comes about from allowing so many people to be infected could result in reinfection or worse variant. Herd immunity is callous and inhumane but it is also one hell of a gamble... If the idiots had just tried to contain it when they could...We're an island, we had a better chance than any country with land borders but our Govt effed it up royally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Jesus. That recording on the BBC news of the old man in Belfast not able to go to his wife’s funeral as he’s in hospital with it as well was absolutely heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJAC? Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Things could be getting interesting politically. Both the Daily Mail and The Telegraph beginning to lay into Boris Johnston & Co with regards to the testing shambles. Thought I'd never see it tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said: Things could be getting interesting politically. Both the Daily Mail and The Telegraph beginning to lay into Boris Johnston & Co with regards to the testing shambles. Thought I'd never see it tbh. A shock but maybe not so much when you think on it, the vast majority of fatalities are impacting their core audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, vegas-voss said: Lots of simple options to help save lives.The F1 one is a fairly simple ( but effective ) looking device. It is, I use one for my Sleep Apnoea. Not sure how many are kicking about already though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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