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BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, DH1986 said: He would instantly be the best keeper at the club by a mile...... And for that simple fact alone we should sign him, He’s currently not considered better than Scott Bain, we don’t know what his current ability level actually is. Although keepers can have longer careers, like other players they still don’t get better with age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 hours ago, jamborich said: Eh what makes you think he can't play the bosses way, you miss the fundamental part of goalkeeping which is shot stopping Craig Gordon is miles better than what we have at the moment Brendan Rodgers stopped playing him because of his inability to play from the back. On that basis, Perreira would be first choice here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 We need a keeper that is quick off his line and can play football. The way we play he would either get caught out in no mans land or be faced with alot of one on ones when someone slips in the back of hallett and souttar and he wouldn't cope. He might pull off better saves but I think were stronger as a whole with Joel in the goal because he fits into our style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: Folk on here are crazy man, he’s average with the ball at his feet, but exceptional in every other way.. You need to use the past tense, not present. He was exception, but I am not sure he still is. But I am sure that he’d struggle behind a high defensive line. Under the previous style of play, he would’ve been a very good choice, but I’m not convinced he’d work in the team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, BackOfTheNet said: He’s currently not considered better than Scott Bain, we don’t know what his current ability level actually is. Although keepers can have longer careers, like other players they still don’t get better with age. You even questioning if CG is better than JP, ZZ or CD is quite frankly laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Peebo said: Correct. Still a massive upgrade on our other options, at present. Joel is better at the things I mentioned. Which is what we need in our style. No denying Craig is a better shot stopper. In the summer Stendel will get a better keeper than what we have that fits his style. If Craig wants to come and warm the bench on the cheap for a couple years as a back up keeper, I wouldn't have an issue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 File under S for sentimental sh*te Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Nut uhd rather huv Boaby n Peeiera likesy ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dallas Green said: Joel is better at the things I mentioned. Which is what we need in our style. No denying Craig is a better shot stopper. In the summer Stendel will get a better keeper than what we have that fits his style. If Craig wants to come and warm the bench on the cheap for a couple years as a back up keeper, I wouldn't have an issue with that. Pereira is. I’m not considering him to be a current option, if we are talking about Gordon joining in the summer (when Pereira will be back at his own club). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) No, going backwards is not an option. Only for 6 months at the most if we did take him. Would be waste of a wage. Edited January 29, 2020 by johnking123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, DH1986 said: You even questioning if CG is better than JP, ZZ or CD is quite frankly laughable. How do you know what ability Gordon is at? He’s not been playing and hasn’t been playing regularly enough for 2-3 years to make a proper judgement of his ability. For all we know his reflexes have slowed down, which is what made him a great shot stopper. We all called him Dracula because he was afraid of crosses, he’s not improved on that in his career and as someone else pointed out his distribution ability is why he was dropped at Celtic. You need to stop comparing Gordon of 10-15 years ago with our current keepers. He’s not that player any more and his strongest skill - shot stopping - is down to reflexes which as I’ve pointed out don’t get better with age, quite the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, BackOfTheNet said: How do you know what ability Gordon is at? He’s not been playing and hasn’t been playing regularly enough for 2-3 years to make a proper judgement of his ability. For all we know his reflexes have slowed down, which is what made him a great shot stopper. We all called him Dracula because he was afraid of crosses, he’s not improved on that in his career and as someone else pointed out his distribution ability is why he was dropped at Celtic. You need to stop comparing Gordon of 10-15 years ago with our current keepers. He’s not that player any more and his strongest skill - shot stopping - is down to reflexes which as I’ve pointed out don’t get better with age, quite the opposite. Let me simplify it for you..... Neil Lennon has open,y said he doesn’t want Gordon to go. Why ? Do you think Neil Lennon would hang on to any of out GK’s ? The quick answer is no. Neil Lennon knows more than you or me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Craig Gordon played in 34 matches last season..... Which is probably more than any of ours will play this season. Yet he’s finished........ Edited January 29, 2020 by DH1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, DH1986 said: Let me simplify it for you..... Neil Lennon has open,y said he doesn’t want Gordon to go. Why ? Do you think Neil Lennon would hang on to any of out GK’s ? The quick answer is no. Neil Lennon knows more than you or me. Neil Lennon has Craig Gordon as 3rd choice but his 2nd choice is injured. That’s why he won’t let him go as he would have no senior back up. That simplified enough for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, BackOfTheNet said: Neil Lennon has Craig Gordon as 3rd choice but his 2nd choice is injured. That’s why he won’t let him go as he would have no senior back up. That simplified enough for you? You think our current GK’s are better than Craig Gordon..... Yet he played 30 games for the best team in the country last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 As a keeper he is better than all 3 of ours but stendel does seem to use the keeper for possession. Gordon dId improve under Rodgers kicking wise and 1 of the main reasons Lennon brought Forster back that he just wanted a keeper who played it simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 He wasn't begging to come to us a few years ago. If he's begging now it's because he thinks we are he best option for a decent contract, not because he is desperate to play. No more OAPs needing a pension top up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2014/15 = 55 matches 2015/16 = 53 matches 2016/17 = 58 matches 2017/18 = 50 matches 2018/19 = 34 matches Seems injury prone though......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Let’s stick with Joely the goalie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DH1986 said: You think our current GK’s are better than Craig Gordon..... Yet he played 30 games for the best team in the country last season. Now you’re simplifying things too much. Define better. Better overall keeper, or better for Stendel’s style of play? Is Berra a better defender than Dikamona? Comparing the two players as individuals Berra is obviously better. But Dikamona is clearly more suited to Stendel’s style as proven by Berra being with the reserves and Dikamona playing instead of him. I like Craig Gordon, I’m not saying he’s crap. I’m just saying signing him would make no sense as we’d be spending money on wages (not cheap) for a player that does not suit our style and has very little time left in his career at this level when we can use Pereira until the end of season and Stendel can get a young keeper more suited to his style in the summer that has years left in him. So in that sense Pereira is better suited than Gordon to Stendel’s Hearts at the moment. That doesn’t mean he’s a better keeper when compared one on one with Gordon. Should also add that playing in goals for Celtic is not exactly the most demanding of tasks and abilities are not tested as they would be at a club in our predicament. Edited January 29, 2020 by BackOfTheNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 If we sign Gordon it's not because Stendel wants him. Massive waste of a wage unless he is happy to be backup on a small contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parttimer1874 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, DH1986 said: 2014/15 = 55 matches 2015/16 = 53 matches 2016/17 = 58 matches 2017/18 = 50 matches 2018/19 = 34 matches Seems injury prone though......... You his da or something? His distribution has and always will be pish. We need someone comfortable with the ball has his feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Would he have been able to get to, let alone head clear the Defoe chance on Sunday? If not we wouldn’t have won at the weekend. Edited January 29, 2020 by Ibrahim Tall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Newton51 said: Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Parttimer1874 said: You his da or something? His distribution has and always will be pish. We need someone comfortable with the ball has his feet. You Pep fi Man City or something ? You don’t play that many games for Celtic and Scotland if you’re distribution is pish..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Would he have been able to get to, let alone head clear the Defoe chance on Sunday? If not we wouldn’t have won at the weekend. What a weird statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Levein would have given him a 12 year deal and he’d just have turned into another Berra. The press are dying for us to take any old firm shite as they fear Danny will pull another master stroke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parttimer1874 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, DH1986 said: What a weird statement. Why? It’s a perfectly legitimate question. A keeper playing the way DS wants to needs to be ready to charge out and do that - you reckon Gordon would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DH1986 said: You Pep fi Man City or something ? You don’t play that many games for Celtic and Scotland if you’re distribution is pish..... No he's not however our manager is Daniel Stendel. Stendel requires a sweeper keeper just like Pep Guardiola. Craig Gordon is not a sweeper keeper. The end. Edited January 29, 2020 by Bring Back Paulo Sergio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) If Craig Gordon was good enough for Brendan Rodger's side when they were at their very best, then he is good enough for Hearts. Pereira is not very good I am afraid and and will cost us goals. Edited January 29, 2020 by jambogaza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Folk on here are crazy man, he’s average with the ball at his feet, but exceptional in every other way.. a huge upgrade on Joel, and quite capable of pulling of saves which will keep us in this league.. I wonder if sundays win has caused us to get ahead of ourselves.. we can worry about the long term later, will we stand a better chance of avoiding relegation with Craig Gordon in the team.. without any question yes! Would question if he really wanted back but if he did, this post, all day long Joel has improved the last few games but no question, Gordon is a better shot stopper and that might just be the difference that we need and at this point in the season when we have mammoth games to come he could end up being the difference Certainly wouldn’t be adverse to it if Stendel went for him (can’t see it though in all honesty) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Parttimer1874 said: Why? It’s a perfectly legitimate question. A keeper playing the way DS wants to needs to be ready to charge out and do that - you reckon Gordon would? You reckon Defoe would have scored ? He had a few other opportunities but didn’t take them.....but this time he scores an imaginary goal and we don’t win. Best to stick to facts and reality and the realist is Craig Gordon has played about 200 games in 5 seasons for the best team in the country and is better than what we have. If Stendel wants him then I’m delighted. Edited January 29, 2020 by DH1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: No he's not however our manager is Daniel Stendel. Stendel requires a sweeper keeper just like Pep Guardiola. Craig Gordon is not a sweeper keeper. The end. So if DS wants him we’ll all be happy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parttimer1874 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 How many saves did Pereira have to make against the second best team in the league? Shot stopping is all well and good but tbh probably now not as key as being able to play from the back confidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron79 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 For Gordon to even be considered we would need to shift Bobby and/or Doyle. Cant see it happening. Anyways I seen a picture of him in a sumo suit once so his weight issues would be a major problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, DH1986 said: So if DS wants him we’ll all be happy ? Have you seen what's required from our goal keeper? You think Gordon would be even half the distrubuter of Pereira? Gordon is a better shot stopper than him and that's where it ends. If we had Levein in charger then I eould say Gordon is an upgrade. Under Stendel it would reduce the effectiveness of our style. You think Gordon is good enought to act as an 11th outfield player? No chance. Don't believe for a second stendel wants him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just cant see Stendel wanting him. He would play for 6 months , then be sitting on the bench. Maybe a loan, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 There’s an entire thread for Gordon, I’d say let’s keep that chat there as I highly doubt he’ll be at the club come the end of the window. Here’s hoping today’s the day that the “at least 1 more in” arrives, and here’s hoping it’s Mamadou Thiam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 59 minutes ago, DH1986 said: He would instantly be the best keeper at the club by a mile...... And for that simple fact alone we should sign him, This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just naw. Stop looking backwards. Thats not where we’re going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Reddington Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I have no doubt if Levein was still in charge Gordon would be our number 1 by now. I know it was a long time ago, however i remember him being a good keeper one on one? Which is something a keeper has to be good at also with a high defensive line. See the Oribo chance on sunday. Sometimes you need a shot stopper Celtic would not have won the cup if not for Foster. Question is, is Gordon still capable of that type of performance. We also have to keep in mind Harry Stone we will need to make room for him at some point in the future. Personally would prefer Jon McLaughlin back if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: Have you seen what's required from our goal keeper? You think Gordon would be even half the distrubuter of Pereira? Gordon is a better shot stopper than him and that's where it ends. If we had Levein in charger then I eould say Gordon is an upgrade. Under Stendel it would reduce the effectiveness of our style. You think Gordon is good enought to act as an 11th outfield player? No chance. Don't believe for a second stendel wants him. But if DS wants him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Reddington Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 EEN stating Sibbock is open to staying, however no agreed fee as part of the agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Parttimer1874 said: How many saves did Pereira have to make against the second best team in the league? Shot stopping is all well and good but tbh probably now not as key as being able to play from the back confidently. Precisely this. I’m genuinely flabbergasted as to how many folk don’t get the high press system. The key to it is winning back and retaining possession. The supposed weakness of the system is a long ball over the top can catch the defence out, which is why Stendel has said he needs maybe two or three times a match the defenders to run back quickly to stop an attack or his keeper to cut it out. If we play with the high press Gordon will be left with one on ones, he’s a shot stopper not a one on one specialist. And Pereira only had to face that long ball over less than a handful of times because Rangers weren’t allowed the possession or the time in possession to pick out a pass. That was in no small part down to Pereira’s confidence in taking in the ball and his distribution. Worse distribution from a keeper means more possession for the other team and will mean more chances, meaning higher probability of conceding. I don’t get why people, especially those who attend games and witness the style, cannot see this. Edited January 29, 2020 by BackOfTheNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, DH1986 said: But if DS wants him ? If Stendel wants any player then I'm happy with his choice. I don't believe for one second that Stendel has went to the board and requested we sign Gordon though. He doesn't fit his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said: Precisely this. I’m genuinely flabbergasted as to how many folk don’t get the high press system. The key to it is winning back and retaining possession. The supposed weakness of the system is a long ball over the top can catch the defence out, which is why Stendel has said he needs may’ve two or three times a match the defenders to run back quickly to stop an attack or his keeper to cut it out. If we play with the high press Gordon will be left with one on ones, he’s a shot stopper not a one on one specialist. And Pereira only had to face that long ball over less than a handful of times because Rangers weren’t allowed the possession or the time in possession to pick out a pass. That was in no small part down to Pereira’s confidence in taking in the ball and his distribution. Worse distribution from a keeper means more possession for the other team and will mean more chances, meaning higher probability of conceding. I don’t get why people, especially those who attend games and witness the style, cannot see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: If Stendel wants any player then I'm happy with his choice. I don't believe for one second that Stendel has went to the board and requested we sign Gordon though. He doesn't fit his system. The second part of your post is just a guess...... Edited January 29, 2020 by DH1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Raymond Reddington said: EEN stating Sibbock is open to staying, however no agreed fee as part of the agreement. Boo. Thought Bongo hinted in the Sibbick thread that there might be an option to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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