Guffers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I get where Graygo is coming from Some fans, maybe particularly on jkb,, are just never happy, never patient, never see the.bigger picture. If I’m honest though, we are miles and miles past pandering to that minority. I think most hearts fans will put up with a lot if they see light at the end of the tunnel. Absolutely mate.. Light at the end of tunnel.. i remember going to brockville when JJ arrived in 95 and getting beat and dropping to bottom of league (i think?) - big davie weir scored against us! - but i clearly remember there was a belief that we had the right man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Exactly and who even cares that we had shit teams 30 + years ago. Who gives a shit about our history? History gives us our grounding and our perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: And is there light at the end of this tunnel? It’ll be shining like a Belisha Beacon at 5am on a December morning as soon as CL and his coaches are shown the door,. Edited October 25, 2019 by GinRummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Spoleto said: Who gives a shit about our history? History gives us our grounding and our perspective. Which is why I didn’t say ‘who gives a shit about history’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said: You & Luckydug : what a load of utter garbage. Hey! What about me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: It’ll be shining like a Belisha Beacon at 5am on a December morning as soon as CL and his coaches are shown the door,. Do you actually see that happening?he will get till his contract runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spoleto said: Who gives a shit about our history? History gives us our grounding and our perspective. Also something some clubs don't have. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, graygo said: Makes you wonder what given time actually means then, is it 4 games? 3? Less? Obviously I'm being a bit facetious here so you don't need to reply. I think you will always get a section of the support who are so knee jerk that even two games into a new managers tenure, there would be calls for his head. That’s just football fans for you though and during the early days of a new management team most supporters would understand that things take time. A few dissenting voices wouldn’t put off a football professional trying to manage a club like hearts either. Edited October 25, 2019 by GinRummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: And is there light at the end of this tunnel? Ask me in 9 days. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spoleto said: Who gives a shit about our history? History gives us our grounding and our perspective. I agree Spoleto but if we start to hold up the past and say “it was worse back then, we should think ourselves lucky now” that’s an absolute loser mentality for me.. (appreciate you are not saying that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Do you actually see that happening?he will get till his contract runs out. Unfortunately I think he will get till the end of his contract as well. Another season down the tubes. Next seasons not that far away though and who knows he might go sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Guffers said: Absolutely mate.. Light at the end of tunnel.. i remember going to brockville when JJ arrived in 95 and getting beat and dropping to bottom of league (i think?) - big davie weir scored against us! - but i clearly remember there was a belief that we had the right man! Exactly. Feels like we are near the end of something with Levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: Unfortunately I think he will get till the end of his contract as well. Another season down the tubes. Next seasons not that far away though and who knows he might go sooner. Here's hoping mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Spoleto said: Who gives a shit about our history? History gives us our grounding and our perspective. But there isn’t a valid comparison between those teams and this one is there? And you’ve still not explained how we can have in your opinion a great “squad” and a great manager at the same time and still be Tam kite? spoleto : injuries but our squad is great, lord levein has signed loads of great players ! shouldn’t we be able to win against the worst teams in the league without 2 or 3 key players spoleto : .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lazar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 It's pointless banging on about what happened decades ago, totally different circumstances to where we're at today. Think about all the money we've been plowing into the club recently, debt free, anonymous hand outs, the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said: But there isn’t a valid comparison between those teams and this one is there? And you’ve still not explained how we can have in your opinion a great “squad” and a great manager at the same time and still be Tam kite? spoleto : injuries but our squad is great, lord levein has signed loads of great players ! shouldn’t we be able to win against the worst teams in the league without 2 or 3 key players spoleto : .... How many times do you want the same answer? Key injured players ....... replaced by key injured players. The time to judge Levein is when he has the majority of his key players available for a sequence of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robert Lazar said: It's pointless banging on about what happened decades ago, totally different circumstances to where we're at today. Think about all the money we've been plowing into the club recently, debt free, anonymous hand outs, the lot. Yes, because things were MUCH worse in our history. How very convenient to choose to ignore that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Here's hoping mate. It’s all still sad as f****. This is Craig Levein.. one of our great players and someone who i have no doubt eats, sleeps and breathes Hearts like we do.. but it’s way beyond time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Also something some clubs don't have. . 😂😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Which is why I didn’t say ‘who gives a shit about history’. Both are equally relevant IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lazar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Spoleto said: Yes, because things were MUCH worse in our history. How very convenient to choose to ignore that. I don't get your point. Are you saying that because things were much worse before, we should accept the shit show that's happening just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, graygo said: And yet ....... How long was that? 6 maybe 7 months? Two thirds wanted him to stay in that poll, mate. The latest one was over 80% to go the last time I looked. He got time....nearly a year and a half more as it stands ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spoleto said: Yes, because things were MUCH worse in our history. How very convenient to choose to ignore that. Spoleto, **** off son and leave the adults to chat.. you’re just trying to be an antagonistic prick as per usual. It’s not opinion or debate it’s just wind up shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spoleto said: How many times do you want the same answer? Key injured players ....... replaced by key injured players. The time to judge Levein is when he has the majority of his key players available for a sequence of games. A manager needs to be judged on the players he has available. You can’t judge him on the players he doesn’t have available. Craig has failed and failed miserably with the players he has had available.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, GinRummy said: A manager needs to be judged on the players he has available. You can’t judge him on the players he doesn’t have available. Craig has failed and failed miserably with the players he has had available.. That sums it up for me.. totally get that with better players fit we’ll climb the table.. but we shouldn’t be this bad, set up this poorly in games, even with the players we have fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boab said: Two thirds wanted him to stay in that poll, mate. The latest one was over 80% to go the last time I looked. He got time....nearly a year and a half more as it stands ! I know, was just pointing out that time is not something we tend to give new managers before someone is shouting for their head. Absolutely nothing to do with the situation right now of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, GinRummy said: A manager needs to be judged on the players he has available. You can’t judge him on the players he doesn’t have available. Craig has failed and failed miserably with the players he has had available.. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Guffers said: That sums it up for me.. totally get that with better players fit we’ll climb the table.. but we shouldn’t be this bad, set up this poorly in games, even with the players we have fit. The mark of a shit coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Hopefully our drawn out agony doesn't last too much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, GinRummy said: Exactly and who even cares that we had shit teams 30 + years ago. I’d guess everyone who witnessed it. Hearts fans. You seem absolutely tumescent given your posts on this thread. Have you consulted a doctor recently. Over 4 hours is dangerous... apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Tasavallan said: 1976-77, 1978-79 and 1980-81 were far worse years than Hearts' record after 2012. I watched the poor sides under Hagart, Ormond and Moncur and they were far worse than what Levein is putting out now. You don't know what you've got 'til its gone. Your last line is suggesting that we should appreciate what we are watching because levein isn't as bad as the three you mentioned. So keep him here because it could be worse. Take the three you mentioned out of the equation and tell us what it is we've got with levein in charge just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Guffers said: Spoleto, **** off son and leave the adults to chat.. you’re just trying to be an antagonistic prick as per usual. It’s not opinion or debate it’s just wind up shite. Take your own advice "son". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, graygo said: So if a new manager comes in and lets say we lose 6 on the spin you don't think there would be calls for his head? Get a grip. No, I don't. This squad is garbage , like many before it. Getting rid of Levein and the other coaches will be a great start on a rocky road to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: I try to forget those years and you go and remind me. 🤷🏼♂️ Do you think we should keep on because he isn't as bad as Ormond etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, Robert Lazar said: I don't get your point. Are you saying that because things were much worse before, we should accept the shit show that's happening just now? No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you need to look at things in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, annushorribilis III said: Get a grip. No, I don't. This squad is garbage , like many before it. Getting rid of Levein and the other coaches will be a great start on a rocky road to rebuild. I disagree, the squad isn't shit. WHEN we get a fully fit squad back you will see a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Spoleto said: Take your own advice "son". Why should posters answer your questions when you have ignored the ones you've been asked. You were asked by a poster to give details and what was you last hearts game. Why did you ignore them and then expect others to respond to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: I’d guess everyone who witnessed it. Hearts fans. You seem absolutely tumescent given your posts on this thread. Have you consulted a doctor recently. Over 4 hours is dangerous... apparently. Thanks for the concern. Great banter by the way. No need to think up any new patter when you’ve got all that auld stuff to fall back on. Edited October 25, 2019 by GinRummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, graygo said: I know, was just pointing out that time is not something we tend to give new managers before someone is shouting for their head. Absolutely nothing to do with the situation right now of course. Garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: Why should posters answer your questions when you have ignored the ones you've been asked. You were asked by a poster to give details and what was you last hearts game. Why did you ignore them and then expect others to respond to you? This is his MO - ask a stupid/pointless/deflecting question and ignore everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, Spoleto said: How many times do you want the same answer? Key injured players ....... replaced by key injured players. The time to judge Levein is when he has the majority of his key players available for a sequence of games. our “squad” is great though, and clearly the teams who’ve pumped us don’t have any injuries at all when they rolled us over easily.. it boils down to this, We can’t win without Naismith, for every other position we have far more expensive options than the first picks for the other 75% of clubs in the league.. so either the rest of the squad are poor, or the manager is poor.. or more likely - a combination of both.. let’s face it, naisy does the coaching as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoleto said: Hey! What about me? There's something about this post that really sums you up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lazar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spoleto said: No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you need to look at things in perspective. I am, we've spent more than everyone other than the old firm and maybe Aberdeen and look at the nick of us. The football department is a mess and don't get me started on the injuries, something definitely isn't right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Spoleto said: No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you need to look at things in perspective. perspective, your using one of the worst periods in our history as a benchmark for this period - defeating your own point. it would be fairer to compare levein to George burley in terms of resources. Edited October 25, 2019 by kingantti1874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Thanks for the concern. Great banter by the way. No need to think up any new patter when you’ve got all that auld stuff to fall vacation on. You talk of patter then come out with “fall vacation”. I wonder if your patter lead to your need in creating a new username to continue your efforts at shouting louder than others. You seem intent to simply stick to your guns with no balance in your argument. On topic... we are stuck with CL until the seasons end. Hopefully we will then appoint a new manager who will take what is obviously a very good squad, add quality to it, then take us forward. This thread has run its course, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: Do you think we should keep on because he isn't as bad as Ormond etc? I don’t think that. I think it’s time for a change but that change regardless but that change might not happen until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said: Garbage. No he’s absolutely correct. You have zero interest in hearing another opinion or applying any balance. Football fans have a long and full history of demanding sackings early into managerial tenures. Some warranted, others not. Nothing he said was “garbage” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: Why should posters answer your questions when you have ignored the ones you've been asked. You were asked by a poster to give details and what was you last hearts game. Why did you ignore them and then expect others to respond to you? It' called free will Fruity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: I don’t think that. I think it’s time for a change but that change regardless but that change might not happen until the end of the season. All the more reason it should be forced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: I don’t think that. I think it’s time for a change but that change regardless but that change might not happen until the end of the season. You cant think he should be here until then? He has done nothing in the league to deserve to still be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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