Levein’s time is up...

[Hectormasson]

1 hour ago, 1874robbo said:

He has one of the safest jobs in football!! He’s going nowhere soon.

Correct fab !!!

[BarneyBattles44]

1 hour ago, SectionN said:

How do we get rid of him? He has to go before things get worse.

 

My solution is surreal

[BarneyBattles44]

1 hour ago, ZanderMIM said:

I remember when people were saying give Craig the benefit of the doubt when we had the delay with the stand and had to play at murrayfield.. this was TWO full seasons ago? Not much has changed. Then we had the injuries last season so he got another chance. It’s like he’s untouchable because of his relationship with Ann, worrying IMO.

 

First game 0-0 Murrayfield . same as yesterday .? Legendary draw specialist.

[John mcCartney]

1 hour ago, 1874robbo said:

He has one of the safest jobs in football!! He’s going nowhere soon.

ive been reading this type of ****ing post for too long on here
weak and an acceptance of subordination

 

[Nookie Bear]

On 23/02/2019 at 16:55, Heartsofgold said:

There is no excuse, none, for that performance today. Once again too many loose passes no one making runs to create space for others. There comes a time when the number of individual errors mount up till they are no longer individual and are systemic instead. 

 

I think the OP’s point still stands, 6 months on. 

 

There is no indication things will change for the better. 

[Deviskan]

I suggest you all should read the first couple of pages of this thread...see what posters were saying 6 months ago.

 

Whats changed in that time?

 

Absolutely nothing...our team has stagnated under Craig, there’s been absolutely no progression on the pitch.

 

The tactics have been godawful since promotion, playing the same eye-bleedingly boring football even before Craig ‘officially’ became Manager...he’s the one constant.

[Captain Canada]

I think our next home league match will be his last in charge. I really hope I'm wrong but I can't see us doing anything positive against Motherwell or Celtic. 

 

Allowing Ross County to have 15 shots against us at home is really worrying. 

[Thomaso]

5 hours ago, Boab said:

 

Yip. A move upstairs and a bump up for someone like MacPhee would have the support in a lather !

Surely they wouldn’t consider such a thing ?

 

 

Wanna bet!!  Levein will cling on to power for all he’s worth!

[afanderson33]

3 hours ago, luckydug said:

Your last paragraph ?

Are you saying that Michael Smith actually said the players didn't try their best yesterday  ?

 

Yes, they weren't giving it their best efforts

[Romulus]

Cut all ties, now. Before all the good work fans have contributed to starts to fade.

 

The blame for Cathro and the whole scenario lied at Leveins door step. He should have been let go then, never mind given a 3 year deal after a farce of an “interview” process.

 

2nd December 2016 was the date Neilson left the club and we have regressed on the park even since. All of it lies with Levein. 

 

We really deserve to know why why he hasn’t been removed yet. 

[tntjambo]

3 hours ago, Deviskan said:

I suggest you all should read the first couple of pages of this thread...see what posters were saying 6 months ago.

 

Whats changed in that time?

 

Absolutely nothing...our team has stagnated under Craig, there’s been absolutely no progression on the pitch.

 

The tactics have been godawful since promotion, playing the same eye-bleedingly boring football even before Craig ‘officially’ became Manager...he’s the one constant.

 

Agreed and its getting worse

[VALDOS']

Far too many pant wetters scared of change, that's ultimately the problem at board level. 

[Gnjambo16]

9 hours ago, merseyjambo said:

Craig Levein in his playing career and in his time at the club has done a lot of good things. He was so unlucky in his career that the injury he had probably robbed him

of a move to the top level. His partnership with my favourite all time Jambo, Sandy Jardine, was without doubt the classiest central defensive pairing we have had in my lifetime. 

 

His tenure in the football department should have ended several times before now. He was responsible for the Cathro debacle and he should have taken responsibility for it. 5-0 at Livi would have got rid of most, the poor run last season should have done it. The easiest cup run ever and half decent performance against what was an unusually poor Celtic kept him in a job. 

 

This season has started  how the last one ended except people can’t use the excuses of injuries to key players. The simple truth is that he is a poor manager. We have a team with really good attacking talent that are never allowed off the leash. We’ve been pursuing 2 more defensively minded midfielders. We’ve got one, why does he continue to say that he is hopeful Whelan is coming. Do we need him or should we be looking for someone who we can get that would offer us something different. 

 

Modern football has passed his tactics and ideas by. We can’t turn back the clock but as a club we need to move forward and adapt, something our manager can’t do. What he’s doing now is not only damaging the way that people who remember him as a player consider him but is now pulling the owner into it. He has blinded her in her tenure with his ‘ideas’ that he is some sort of footballing messiah. Unless she takes her blinkers off, her stewardship will have her failure to act on this as her legacy. Arsene Wenger should have left Arsenal before the fans turned on him and what they thought of him. CL needs to do the same if he cares for the club.

 

I would keep CL at the club in a figurehead role when trying to attract young players to the club, selling them on us giving youth a chance and what it means to play for this great club, but that’s it. His footballing ideas are done and his army of coaches are not up to the task

A great post let’s hope he reads it 

[Cruyff Turn]

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

[GorgieRules22]

1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

It’s already gone on too long so I have to disagree with you. 

[Away up in Gorgie]

9 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

It’s already gone on too long so I have to disagree with you. 

 

Whilst there are some valid points scattered within the post he completely loses all credibility in the final paragraph when saying “nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either”!!! As you say that ship has sailed long long ago. He shouldn’t even be getting the cup game on Friday, all of them should be out the door. It’s simply putting off the inevitable now regardless of a result here or there. 

[It should have been ten]

1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

 

Good post, well put. 

[Class of 75]

Heard that Michael Smith has been quoted as saying there are serious issues at the club. Must be the way in which Levein has involved himself in all areas of the football club and the negative influence he has. 

[jambogaza]

45 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Heard that Michael Smith has been quoted as saying there are serious issues at the club. Must be the way in which Levein has involved himself in all areas of the football club and the negative influence he has. 

 

Where has this been sourced from?

[merseyjambo]

3 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

 

Theres a lot of points in there that are well put but I disagree about a bandwagon jumping lynch mob. 

 

Its been clear over last 6 months that CL has our support as fractured as the Tory Party were over Brexit with That harridan of a woman. It still is, as are we. 

 

He he still has some support among the fans but even that is dwindling among the more moderate fans. 

 

There has been and always has a section of the support who have been against the appointment from the start for various reasons. Probably judging by polls when he was appointed it was between 30%-40%. Each will have their own reason why. My personal one is that he should have gone after the Cathro debacle. It was reinforced by the list of candidates for the manager. Billy Davies was never going to get that job. He was there purely as a ringer in order for a ‘puppet’ to be employed. Neither Pressley or Hartley had great managerial stats while Daly should never have even got to the shortlist. If people think this was the best from the list of quality candidates our owner said had applied then I’m sorry there’s something very wrong.

 

Since then we’ve had the excuses from a section of our support - it’s not his team, it’s the injuries, he’s going to turn it around, he just needs time. 

 

We’re 2 years on from the removal of Cathro yet on the playing front the club have stagnated. We’ve had. 2 sixth place finishes in that period where he has been in charge. Yes there has been a cup final appearance but let’s be honest, that cup run involved is getting the lowest ranked team in the draw on 3 occasions. 

 

The football all in that time has been for the most part turgid and dour. He’s not fixed our attacking midfield problem in 5 transfer windows (I’m including the one when he was appointed because he had the best part of a month in his role as DoF to utilise the window after IC was punted). He appears to have no other game plan for the most part other than keep possession until the opposition can get players behind the ball and be difficult to break down then when they are all in position we launch the ball up to Uche. When we play a pressing game we are better because we are quicker with the ball but we can really only do that against teams like Celtic or Rangers as for the most part we are playing  against teams who do not have their quality of attacking football. 

 

Moving CL back into the DoF role is only going to lead to more of the same where he is still going to have some sort of level of control of the footballing side of the club. Any manager worth his salt is not going to come in to work under those types of restrictions. A DoF role where he has involvement in transfer negotiations and contracts is acceptable if the negotiations are based on agreement with the manager about the type of player he wants not let’s bring in this player because CL thinks he would do a job. That wouldn’t work. It would all depend on whether CL could work under those conditions. 

 

He was a fantastic player but he is not some sort of footballing guru who knows it all. His ideas and tactics are archaic. Football has moved on and as a club we need to do the same. I think we have a great squad, certainly one that is more than capable of matching Aberdeen but it’s being utilised in the wrong way. We have players who are capable of really hurting teams who don’t get game time. With the squad we have, personally I think we are two players short. A midfielder with drive who can transition the game from defence to attack such as Paul Hartley and a penalty box poacher. 

 

While we are not at crisis stage, it’s worrying that things don’t appear to be changing But unfortunately it’s too late to get someone in to help us in this transfer window. While at the moment a heavy loss at Parkhead appears to be on the cards, Motherwell on Friday is a game that he needs to win. The longer nothing is done about this the more support he loses and the more it starts to tarnish our owner because at the moment she is playing Nero while Rome is starting to burn all around her.

Edited August 12, 2019 by merseyjambo

[Coco]

7 hours ago, VALDOS' said:

Far too many pant wetters scared of change, that's ultimately the problem at board level. 

 

Will be interesting to see if any of the other Board members are willing to go against Ann Budge and Levein.  Obviously that can't be expected of Eric Hogg or the enjoying the position too much FOH guy but what about some of the others?

[A_A wehatethehibs]

15 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

Where has this been sourced from?

 

It was on the match thread, i don’t remember it sourced but Smith apparently something like the “mentality needs to change” maybe gave a bit too much info

 

No source & no reason to believe it, however the players don’t look happy on the pitch so something is obviously wrong.

Edited August 12, 2019 by A_A wehatethehibs

[1971fozzy]

I’m really hoping to read he’s away by tea time today. 

 

[heartandsoul]

4 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

I’m really hoping to read he’s away by tea time today. 

 

No chance....that would be far too sensible.

[SectionN]

42 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 

It was on the match thread, i don’t remember it sourced but Smith apparently something like the “mentality needs to change” maybe gave a bit too much info

 

No source & no reason to believe it, however the players don’t look happy on the pitch so something is obviously wrong.

After the final whistle, Smith didn’t shake hands with the county players and was straight down the tunnel. Looked furious.

[Bellion]

4 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

Good post and that’s pretty much where I am too. 

[busby1985]

4 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I actually got fed up of it last season. I was pretty much Levein out, (true, check my posts), but I said at the end of last season I’d give him the summer and the first round of league games to change it. I’m pretty sure a lot of us said the same thing and that in truth, was because we made a cup final and performed well in the final. Had we been pumped, it probably was game over and I’m sure most would have agreed.

 

Now, I don’t think he should get the first round of games. That’s too many because we have performed so poorly in the LC group and at home to Ross County, which was as bad as we have been. He should imo get until Motherwell game at home, providing we perform vs Motherwell on Friday. If we do not, then he’d need to beat or draw with Celtic at Parkhead, which is highly unlikely. Defeats in those games and the next game v Hamilton at home will be a horrible atmosphere. Another poor performance vs Motherwell on Friday and we should start the process of looking for a new manager immediately and put someone incharge in the interim. 

 

If we beat Motherwell in the LC, put in a decent performance at Darkheid, win our home games v Hamilton and Motherwell, I think the pressure is relieved on him and the players, and hopefully that can allow us to gain some momentum. That isn’t a huge ask imo, that’s pretty much a standard expectation of the squad we have and where we should be. 3 wins in the next 4 is what is needed.

 

If CL fails to turn us around and does step down from the dugout, I personally believe he should retain the DoF position. The new manager however should probably be someone out with the current setup. 

 

To Folk calling others happy clappers, Levein fanboys etc and venting their spleen every other thread. I don’t believe that there is one Hearts supporter among us who would put Levein above our club. The club is more important and bigger than anyone of us. 

 

In the present however the fans need to get behind the manager and the players and not “hope” that we lose games or, try to create a negative atmosphere just because they personally do not like Levein and want rid. If he makes it past the Motherwell game in September and things do turnaround, folk should support him and the players instead of waiting to pounce on the next bad result. 

 

I have faith that Ann and the board will make the right decision at the right time and will be pragmatic enough to take all things considered into account. I don’t think she will be cowed into pulling the trigger by some bandwagon jumping Lynch mob, nor allow it to go on too long due to sentiment either. That is why, imo, all these levels of hyperbolic hysteria need to be brought down a notch and folk just need to chill out and let things run its course. 

Pretty fair assessment. 

 

I also think Friday is the point of no return. I expect to see a change in shape to address the balance of the side, a major problem for us this far. The personnel playing in positions they are meant to and can effect the game. Us to play with tempo and a clear game plan. I expect us to address everything we saw on Saturday as Saturday was miles below what we expect to see. If we have addressed none of that then it’ll be clear the manager and coaches don’t see or don’t know how to fix. Major problems if either are true. 

 

The fan boy stuff I am guilty off but that’s cause am sick of the same guys refusing to see what’s happening. No one wants this but the boys referred to as “fan boys” literally won’t hear a bad word said. 4 wins in 2019 and they drop the bar for what we should expect week after week. Blind faith. 

[Paisley Jambo]

9 hours ago, Mort said:

 

2nd December 2016 was the date Neilson left the club and we have regressed on the park even since. All of it lies with Levein.

Couldn’t agree more.

[JI TEES]

Get him out now! Teams sussed out how to play us at Tynecastle last season, pack the middle of the park and leave the wings free as we have no width... And we still have no quality in the wide areas...aimless punts and just kicking it into space! Levein only now targeting a new keeper and midfielders after bleating on about how we only needed 2 or 3 players. All the supporters with any footballing knowledge seen the areas needing strengthened months ago! Levein and the management team are clueless and need to go now before it's too late.

Edited August 12, 2019 by JI TEES
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[jambopilms]

Who job is it to install confidence, hard work and a game plan into the team?

[We_are_the_Hearts]

The sarcarstic happy clappers who thought they were so clever and would round on folk on here seem to have disappeared? 

Edited August 12, 2019 by We_are_the_Hearts

[Romulus]

I'm just not seeing the benefit of having Levein move back to DOF role or any other role within the club for that matter. Him being DOF would potentially put off other possible managerial candidates. We often hear of the work going on in the academy but we can surely recruit in that field if required.

 

He has had his shot. Time to go.

[Shooter McGavin]

We were 2nd in the league when Neilson was hounded out.

 

And yet people still think Levein should stay...

Edited August 12, 2019 by Shooter McGavin

[eyes open]

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

[Libertarian]

19 hours ago, merseyjambo said:

Craig Levein in his playing career and in his time at the club has done a lot of good things. He was so unlucky in his career that the injury he had probably robbed him

of a move to the top level. His partnership with my favourite all time Jambo, Sandy Jardine, was without doubt the classiest central defensive pairing we have had in my lifetime. 

 

His tenure in the football department should have ended several times before now. He was responsible for the Cathro debacle and he should have taken responsibility for it. 5-0 at Livi would have got rid of most, the poor run last season should have done it. The easiest cup run ever and half decent performance against what was an unusually poor Celtic kept him in a job. 

 

This season has started  how the last one ended except people can’t use the excuses of injuries to key players. The simple truth is that he is a poor manager. We have a team with really good attacking talent that are never allowed off the leash. We’ve been pursuing 2 more defensively minded midfielders. We’ve got one, why does he continue to say that he is hopeful Whelan is coming. Do we need him or should we be looking for someone who we can get that would offer us something different. 

 

Modern football has passed his tactics and ideas by. We can’t turn back the clock but as a club we need to move forward and adapt, something our manager can’t do. What he’s doing now is not only damaging the way that people who remember him as a player consider him but is now pulling the owner into it. He has blinded her in her tenure with his ‘ideas’ that he is some sort of footballing messiah. Unless she takes her blinkers off, her stewardship will have her failure to act on this as her legacy. Arsene Wenger should have left Arsenal before the fans turned on him and what they thought of him. CL needs to do the same if he cares for the club.

 

I would keep CL at the club in a figurehead role when trying to attract young players to the club, selling them on us giving youth a chance and what it means to play for this great club, but that’s it. His footballing ideas are done and his army of coaches are not up to the task

Agree with every word written here. I was Levein's greatest admirer when he was a player and he has been a wonderful servant to the club but I really thought that he would go after the cup final last season. If he doesn't go soon he will lose any goodwill that is left for him with the fans.

[heartandsoul]

6 minutes ago, eyes open said:

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

You should post more often. Excellent stuff and agree with every word.

[Gambo]

14 minutes ago, eyes open said:

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

Excellent post.

[tolcross lad]

9 minutes ago, eyes open said:

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

 

10 minutes ago, eyes open said:

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

 

Well put.I agree with you.

[bobskeldon]

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Edited August 12, 2019 by bobskeldon

[siegementality]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/all-is-not-necessarily-lost-at-hearts-but-support-is-sick-of-waiting-for-jam-tomorrow-1-4981346

 

Crazy to think we are in this position.

Edited August 12, 2019 by siegementality

[Clerry Jambo]

1 hour ago, We_are_the_Hearts said:

The sarcarstic happy clappers who thought they were so clever and would round on folk on here seem to have disappeared? 

[Clerry Jambo]

24 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Thousands agree with you Bob

[Walter Bishop]

26 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Well said. Its a sad day when you cant bring yourself to go and watch hearts, i know exactly how you feel.

[Walter Bishop]

46 minutes ago, eyes open said:

I don't normally post my opinions , But after a weekend of Girrning and being so down about the whole situation I just had to add my voice to the clamour for Leveins head . 

 I wouldn't give him the Motherwell game as a game to keep his job , He is the Director of football at the club and has overseen a complete disaster .Look at our stats they don't lie it's a results based business and our results are terrible. 

Since winning promotion our results have been on a downward spiral after signing nearly 100 players all he does is firefight a good coach should be able to get more from the resources he has , Steve Clark for example . All he does is discard players and look for an easy solution . 

The great idea of our club playing a certain brand of football is non existent ,If asked how do hearts play I honestly couldn't say . We are appalling, that a team with such little resources like Ross county (No disrespect because they were magnificent on Saturday primarily because we were so bad !  ) Can come to Tynecastle and go away disappointed they only got a draw sums it up .

We need a new management team and an admission by the board that they got it wrong and a entirely new direction football wise has to be implemented .

No other manager would have been given the amount of time he has , His attitude is appalling and surely rubs off on the players .

He dismissed the poor results in the league cup , he more or less shrugged his shoulders regarding the poor results saying things would get better , what message does that send out.

As much as I despise them we as a club should be like the Old Firm they don't play friendlies , they don't take second best every game matters and when they do slip up there is hell to pay , we seem to just accept our lot we have had three years of this mediocrity, It's a mess it really is  I don't even look forward to going to Tynecastle anymore the atmosphere is terrible because we are all fed up and the football is archaic .

Levein was quoted before as saying historically fifth place is where Hearts are found in the league anything above that is a bonus .. That is his mentality he's won nothing in his career he's been punted everywhere he's been and when he has gone the clubs have gone on to better things . Worryingly Ann Budge says he should be left in place to see things through this time Really C'mon this needs to be dealt with before our season is over before it begins . 

He should be removed from the club entirely that would allow a freshness and new approach to come into the club unhindered . And people shouldn't feel sorry for him quoting he was a great player , loves the club etc.. We all love the club but are watching it slowly stagnate get rid of him and his philosophy 

After all that's what he himself wanted when he came in ie; Gary  Locke and the rest .. So you live by the sword you die by the sword he should not be treated any differently , The club and the fans should always come first.!! 

And yeah it was a rant but I feel better now bring on the Celtic... 

Great post, and regardless of the "polls" on here im certain this is how the majority of Hearts fans feel right now. 

[The Old Tolbooth]

29 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

 

When fans like yourself are turning away from the game, then Budge needs to sit up and take notice, because the drop off of 2,0000 fans on Saturday is just the beginning, this will become less and less the longer this continues. 

[Beast Boy]

Merge

[Getintaethem]

The club is in the healthiest financial position it's ever been in, yet on the pitch we're an absolute shambles.  That's criminal.

 

  We've signed a massive amount of players since we came out of administration, yet can't put a fit starting eleven on the pitch.  That's a disgrace.

 

  The much vaunted youth academy, which we have pumped in excess of £4m into since administration, has produced nothing of note.  It's a myth that it's successful.  Other clubs smaller than our own have produced better quality players in that time.  I can't think of one youngster who has consistently held down a first team place.  That's wasteful.

 

  The bottom line is the five year plan has failed, Levien has failed.  

 

Time for a change of footballing management and a new direction.

[The Real Maroonblood]

57 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Excellent post.

[The Real Maroonblood]

57 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Excellent post.

[The Real Maroonblood]

57 minutes ago, bobskeldon said:

After having watched Hearts home, away and in Europe since 1961, I handed back my season ticket the day CL got the job. However, after missing a season and a half (and being bored on a Sat afternoon) I returned midway through last season and witnessed  more of the dull, insipid and boring football that has been on show since we secured the Championship so once again I have decided I will not be back until this charlatan goes. For the record, anyone who knows me will know that I desperately want to watch my team every Saturday, home and away and I will at some point in the future, but not until AB grows a pair and does what she should have done much, much sooner! We all know what the solution is, if AB is not part of the solution, she IS part of the problem.

 

Excellent post.