Injuries

[EIEIO]

Our treatment room is bigger than our trophy room, sadly.

[Seymour M Hersh]

26 minutes ago, jake said:

Is this another sign if another was needed that Levein has lost the dressing room.

 

I'm trying to remember which manager it was who cleared the treatment room on his arrival.(not Hearts).

 

 

 

George Graham when he arrived at Spurs. Made the injured players come in at 8am so they would have to travel through London's rush hour. Soon reduced the numbers to the genuinely injured. 

 

Absolute shite that injured players is somehow a sign that he's lost the dressing room btw. 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

19 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

It will be interesting to watch our next game with Washington, Walker, Halkett and Souttar all playing on crutches.  Levein should get them out of the treatment room asap.

Our training must be looked at 

[jake]

5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

George Graham when he arrived at Spurs. Made the injured players come in at 8am so they would have to travel through London's rush hour. Soon reduced the numbers to the genuinely injured. 

 

Absolute shite that injured players is somehow a sign that he's lost the dressing room btw. 

Maybe.

I suppose all the other signs are indication enough.

[7628mm]

10 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

Our treatment room is bigger than our trophy room, sadly.

Do we have a "Trophy Room" in our new Stand? If so perhaps it is in the unused 3rd floor

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 minutes ago, jake said:

Maybe.

I suppose all the other signs are indication enough.

 

What signs are those? 

[jake]

6 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

What signs are those? 

Results.

Performances.

Effort.

Looking for the ball.

Tracking back.

Scoring.

 

Hes lost the dressing room and if as some still wish to cling to Naismith then that is a real pointer.

That he can organise and cajole a better reaction than Levein when he plays.

[Seymour M Hersh]

17 minutes ago, jake said:

Results.

Performances.

Effort.

Looking for the ball.

Tracking back.

Scoring.

 

Hes lost the dressing room and if as some still wish to cling to Naismith then that is a real pointer.

That he can organise and cajole a better reaction than Levein when he plays.

 

Well you can believe this list if you want. We're shite just now but I really don't think he as lost the players. Not yet anyway. 

[jake]

11 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Well you can believe this list if you want. We're shite just now but I really don't think he as lost the players. Not yet anyway. 

The list I gave isn't up for debate .

That's the reality.

Levein has failed to even get them to battle .

 

The dressing room is lost to Levein .

I take no pleasure in that.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Natural Orders said:

Our training must be looked at 

According to CL, it already has been.

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, jake said:

The list I gave isn't up for debate .

That's the reality.

Levein has failed to even get them to battle .

 

The dressing room is lost to Levein .

I take no pleasure in that.

 

I'm sorry but I disagree. 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

2 hours ago, JamboAl said:

According to CL, it already has been.

And we believe him now?

[jake]

2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I'm sorry but I disagree. 

That's allowed buddy

[Jim Panzee]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Can’t be that great if none of them diagnosed it.

Operating was obviously the last option, but at least they found out the problem. Another freak injury. The club will never have an injury free season, especially when we sign so many injury prone players. Wolves had 5 injuries last season, any chance our DoF could ask his wee pal for some advice, he’s due us a favour.

So, how many specialists do you recommend the club turn to before you then have another go at the club for wasting money on obtaining specialist advice?

 

as you yourself say - another freak injury.

 

similar to Uche’s foot injury last year which could only be diagnosed when scanned / x-rayed when he was asked to put weight on it & twist.

 

[CJGJ]

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

[Jim Panzee]

11 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

Yeap. It's not great but we have to suck it up. Decent analagy re: Man City - 8 points behind Liverpool. 

[JamboAl]

2 hours ago, CJGJ said:

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

Excellent post.

 

[pettigrewsstylist]

7 hours ago, Horatio Caine said:

Biggest room at Riccarton

Jammed in like happy hour 😁

[Bauld]

3 hours ago, CJGJ said:

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

 

[S Form]

3 hours ago, CJGJ said:

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

It’s now gone beyond the point of discussion about the reasons behind our injury list. We won’t see Souttar and Halkett back until January at the earliest. Naismith will be back in, pick up another injury and then be out again. Washington’s out for weeks, God knows when we will see Walker and Haring back. It’s more than likely the players we’ve got available now will be the ones that will see us through the bulk of the season. If Levein can’t get them organised and performing we are in deep shit.

[Pasquale for King]

8 hours ago, Jim Panzee said:

So, how many specialists do you recommend the club turn to before you then have another go at the club for wasting money on obtaining specialist advice?

 

as you yourself say - another freak injury.

 

similar to Uche’s foot injury last year which could only be diagnosed when scanned / x-rayed when he was asked to put weight on it & twist.

 

Well that’s the question, if two specialists can’t diagnose it then it would appear you need to operate to find out.

I’m glad you mentioned Uche, the physio diagnosed his injury and was discounted, then a second specialist diagnosed after the first one didn’t, and Levein forced him to train and play, something he apologised for after. Freak injuries can be diagnosed sometimes.

[Pasquale for King]

4 hours ago, S Form said:

It’s now gone beyond the point of discussion about the reasons behind our injury list. We won’t see Souttar and Halkett back until January at the earliest. Naismith will be back in, pick up another injury and then be out again. Washington’s out for weeks, God knows when we will see Walker and Haring back. It’s more than likely the players we’ve got available now will be the ones that will see us through the bulk of the season. If Levein can’t get them organised and performing we are in deep shit.

All true, but the manager said yesterday that we would get a load of players back shortly and those playing would be dropped. Who knows who these players are?

[Pasquale for King]

8 hours ago, CJGJ said:

People are frustrated and I get that but the constant fantasy posts about reasons behind the injuries are just stupid

 

Even Manchester City are having problems and it is reflected in their results so why it should not impact us in the eyes of some is just amazing..oh and they I would imagine have the best medical experts yet still get issues

 

  'Nevertheless, without Kevin de Bruyne and Leroy Sane, they are being robbed of creativity and the absence of central defenders Aymeric Laporte and John Stones denies them continuity. It already feels as though the problems they face in this title battle are insurmountable.

Cancelo's selection at left-back meant Guardiola had picked four different players in that single position in the last four games. One of them, Benjamin Mendy, has not started back-to-back Premier League games for 11 months and is facing another spell on the sidelines after suffering a hamstring injury in training.'

 

We are playing with at times less than half of what would be our first choice 11 and as a result we are not performing as well as we had hoped.

It really is that simple

 

These injury 'experts' that post are just frustrated fans who are looking to blame anyone and anything

 

But then again they know more than Manchester City's medical team, Norwich City's medical team Aberdeen's medical team for example (and many others who have major injury problems) so perhaps medical training is not really that important when it comes to the prevention and treatment of injuries..just a mouth and an ability to moan on social media is all that is required for some

 

 

Ooh all your pals are patting you on the back 👍🏽.

Have these clubs had these injury problems for over two years?

Has anyone on here said they  know better than those clubs medical departments?

Levein has played Smith/Hickey/White/Mulraney at LB/LWB this season, that’s four too. Has Pep played 7 at CH(Berra/Hickey/Halkett/Smith/Dikamona/Souttar) and 6 (Clare/Dikamona/Smith/Hickey/Brandon/Morrison) at RB/RWB? It’s barely into October.

City are behind this season but win it last season when they were behind too, it might not be possible though but you can’t compare with our position.

Can you honestly say that you believe that every single thing that could be done has been and that every injury has been treated well ,and players haven’t been rushed back or played with injuries that have then broken down?

You're damned right folk are frustrated and that’s why they are looking for someone to blame.

[baron of ness]

Get Romanovs, golden stick,we will be fine.

As long as we are above the vermin come the end of the season .

[Swanny17]

Walker back for the Huns game according to the BBC. 

 

 

[The Mercer Takeover]

If you assume we had a full squad of uninjured players to choose from, what would be the difference from Saturdays line-up:

 

Levein has employed an extraordinary number of defenders, however they are not all going to get a game, even when everyone is fit. This suggests we will see a limited benefit from having the all back anyway. We will certainly be playing 3 centre backs every week, no matter whether they are required not. At the weekend, I thought Dikamona had yet another solid defensive game and is currently at least as good as Berra just now. There is a reality here though, there is no way Halkett, Souttar or Berra are going to be dropped if available. We only really have one right sided defender/wing back in Smith, as Brandon isn't fit for purpose. Assuming White was fully fit, he is probably still a class above Hickey at this stage in his development but either would make an excellent left sided defender.    

 

Levein always plays with a safety first mindset, so we are always likely to have two holding midfielders. Wheelan looks to be a player and perhaps Damour could be dropped for Haring. Haring does at least pop up with the occasional goal I suppose and Damour has utterly failed to impress so far.

 

Naismith is always going to make the team if he's ever fit again, although Levein does not like to play him up front on his own. Washington may look lively on the pitch but he is yet another Levein forward who doesn't score goals. Not sure about his long term future. Uche has looked reasonable recently to be fair and can hold the ball up for the likes of Naismith around him. The downside for this is of course that we revert to hoofball, which all the other teams have sussed. The jury is still out on Meshino but in flashes he does look the business. Don't know what the deal is with Man City but I suspect we will have to play him whenever possible. Who then provides the ammunition. It would have to be Walker for me and the likes of Mulraney & Morrison etc should frankly never play again.

 

So looking at the possible strongest team, Levein's mindset and those who are probably undroppable, we would get something like a 3:2:2:3 or a 3:7 formation.

 

                    Pereira   

      Halkett Soutter Berra

Smith                                 White

            Haring Wheelan

Walker      Naismith      Meshino

 

When teams are dug in at Tynecastle, I'm not sure our defensive minded manager and team formation are ever going to break them down.

 

Of course we will probably never have a fully fit squad, especially when we actively look for injured players, such as White.

In my opinion, all clubs get injuries and we will probably never have a fully fit squad anyway. Aberdeen are plagued with them just now and are still 4th in the league.   

Our football club is broken and we need an urgent managerial reboot.

 

[Hampden Demolition]

We’ve been using the injury excuse for the last 3 seasons and it’s tiresome. 

[been here before]

How many times can the same thread be rehashed?

[whyskey]

On 06/10/2019 at 14:03, jake said:

Is this another sign if another was needed that Levein has lost the dressing room.

 

I'm trying to remember which manager it was who cleared the treatment room on his arrival.(not Hearts).

 

 

george graham at spurs

[thewiseone]

With the emphasis at Hearts being directed so much towards community initiatives and welfare issues isn't it ironic how the CEO has failed to address the issues under which she has direct influence and control -the safety and well being of her employees.

This would mean taking charge, leadership  and responsibility 3 things which appear to be off the menu  at the club.

 

[Unknown user]

52 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

With the emphasis at Hearts being directed so much towards community initiatives and welfare issues isn't it ironic how the CEO has failed to address the issues under which she has direct influence and control -the safety and well being of her employees.

This would mean taking charge, leadership  and responsibility 3 things which appear to be off the menu  at the club.

 

 

Must be their programming. 

[milky_26]

its hard to keep up what players do we have out injured? i have

 

naismith

washington

uche - was it just the one game he was going to miss?

souttar

halkett

damour?

haring

walker

 

anyone else?

Edited October 7, 2019 by milky_26

[Guest ToqueJambo]

3 hours ago, The Mercer Takeover said:

If you assume we had a full squad of uninjured players to choose from, what would be the difference from Saturdays line-up:

 

Levein has employed an extraordinary number of defenders, however they are not all going to get a game, even when everyone is fit. This suggests we will see a limited benefit from having the all back anyway. We will certainly be playing 3 centre backs every week, no matter whether they are required not. At the weekend, I thought Dikamona had yet another solid defensive game and is currently at least as good as Berra just now. There is a reality here though, there is no way Halkett, Souttar or Berra are going to be dropped if available. We only really have one right sided defender/wing back in Smith, as Brandon isn't fit for purpose. Assuming White was fully fit, he is probably still a class above Hickey at this stage in his development but either would make an excellent left sided defender.    

 

Levein always plays with a safety first mindset, so we are always likely to have two holding midfielders. Wheelan looks to be a player and perhaps Damour could be dropped for Haring. Haring does at least pop up with the occasional goal I suppose and Damour has utterly failed to impress so far.

 

Naismith is always going to make the team if he's ever fit again, although Levein does not like to play him up front on his own. Washington may look lively on the pitch but he is yet another Levein forward who doesn't score goals. Not sure about his long term future. Uche has looked reasonable recently to be fair and can hold the ball up for the likes of Naismith around him. The downside for this is of course that we revert to hoofball, which all the other teams have sussed. The jury is still out on Meshino but in flashes he does look the business. Don't know what the deal is with Man City but I suspect we will have to play him whenever possible. Who then provides the ammunition. It would have to be Walker for me and the likes of Mulraney & Morrison etc should frankly never play again.

 

So looking at the possible strongest team, Levein's mindset and those who are probably undroppable, we would get something like a 3:2:2:3 or a 3:7 formation.

 

                    Pereira   

      Halkett Soutter Berra

Smith                                 White

            Haring Wheelan

Walker      Naismith      Meshino

 

When teams are dug in at Tynecastle, I'm not sure our defensive minded manager and team formation are ever going to break them down.

 

Of course we will probably never have a fully fit squad, especially when we actively look for injured players, such as White.

In my opinion, all clubs get injuries and we will probably never have a fully fit squad anyway. Aberdeen are plagued with them just now and are still 4th in the league.   

Our football club is broken and we need an urgent managerial reboot.

 

 

Where's Hickey?

 

Our best team and formation, and I have no doubt Levein would play something like this, is that team but a back 4 with Berra and White out and Hickey in, and Washington or Uche brought in up front. Half of them are injured is our main problem. Motivating and managing the replacements seems to be our major problem that maybe could be fixed by a manager change.

 

Aberdeen do have injuries but not to all their key players like we do. They still have Cosgrove, Ferguson, Lewis, Logan and McGinn who have been key players for a while. Of their new signings, Hedges, Main and Gallagher are fit, while we lost Walker and Washington.

Edited October 7, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[GinRummy]

How’s Jamie Walker anyway? Been any updates?

[GorgieRules22]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

How’s Jamie Walker anyway? Been any updates?

Back for Rangers

[GinRummy]

Just now, GorgieRules22 said:

Back for Rangers

 

Is that right. Great news. Someone who knows where the back of the net is.

[Rudy T]

Just now, GinRummy said:

 

Is that right. Great news. Someone who knows where the back of the net is.

 

Only for 15 mins though, his hamstring will go about then.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

On 06/10/2019 at 06:39, 7628mm said:

Do we have a "Trophy Room" in our new Stand? If so perhaps it is in the unused 3rd floor

 

Bizarre thing for a Hearts fan to say. Did you miss the two cup wins in 6 years? Oh you think that's the norm? Haha, good luck with that.

[GinRummy]

So Haring, Walker, Naismith and Uche all maybe back to play der hun?

 

 

[1874robbo]

It’s going to be amazing against rangers with all these previously injured players returning!!!

first game back in a high tempo game.

what could possibly go wrong?

[GorgieRules22]

3 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

It’s going to be amazing against rangers with all these previously injured players returning!!!

first game back in a high tempo game.

what could possibly go wrong?

To be fair the position we find ourselves in all games should be high tempo.

[1874robbo]

4 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

To be fair the position we find ourselves in all games should be high tempo.

Well according to the manager Saturday we were going to come out the Traps and go at them!!

it sounded good in his head anyway 

then he woke up and had shit the bed as per so went defensive!!!

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Well according to the manager Saturday we were going to come out the Traps and go at them!!

it sounded good in his head anyway 

then he woke up and had shit the bed as per so went defensive!!!

Caught between 2 stools in the first half. Wanted to lure them out, but they had no intention of doing so. 

With the personnel available he wanted to play on the break but Kilmarnock were never having that. 0 0 would have suited them fine, always knowing we would either make an error or eventually be pressured by the home crowd into committing bodies forward. 

Saturday was always likely to end badly.

[1874robbo]

6 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Caught between 2 stools in the first half. Wanted to lure them out, but they had no intention of doing so. 

With the personnel available he wanted to play on the break but Kilmarnock were never having that. 0 0 would have suited them fine, always knowing we would either make an error or eventually be pressured by the home crowd into committing bodies forward. 

Saturday was always likely to end badly.

Here’s a novel idea, see if you play a high tempo against a team and create chances and score that’s the way you lure them out.

we score first and they then commit bodies.

why are we playing defensively against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle?

[innerjambo]

32 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

It’s going to be amazing against rangers with all these previously injured players returning!!!

first game back in a high tempo game.

what could possibly go wrong?

 

3 new injuries, and 2 red cards?

Edited October 7, 2019 by innerjambo

[1874robbo]

Just now, innerjambo said:

 

3 new injuries?

Another ready made excuse for him and all his backers then.

[Rudy T]

15 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Caught between 2 stools in the first half. Wanted to lure them out, but they had no intention of doing so. 

With the personnel available he wanted to play on the break but Kilmarnock were never having that. 0 0 would have suited them fine, always knowing we would either make an error or eventually be pressured by the home crowd into committing bodies forward. 

Saturday was always likely to end badly.

 

While your spot on... we knew this before the game so why play right into their hands with that set up... it made no sense and I’m sure Kilmarnock couldn’t believe their luck. 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

2 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Here’s a novel idea, see if you play a high tempo against a team and create chances and score that’s the way you lure them out.

we score first and they then commit bodies.

why are we playing defensively against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle?

Suspect his own mind is muddled and he felt that the personnel he had were  better placed for counter attacks. 

 

I couldn't argue with that in theory,  but the talk was of the fast start,  momentum. 

 

If it was by design,  it apparently destroyed momentum,  confidence and handed the initiative to Killie 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Suspect his own mind is muddled and he felt that the personnel he had were  better placed for counter attacks. 

 

I couldn't argue with that in theory,  but the talk was of the fast start,  momentum. 

 

If it was by design,  it apparently destroyed momentum,  confidence and handed the initiative to Killie 

 

2 hours ago, Rudy T said:

 

While your spot on... we knew this before the game so why play right into their hands with that set up... it made no sense and I’m sure Kilmarnock couldn’t believe their luck. 

As above 

Edited October 7, 2019 by Sir Gio

[Rudy T]

17 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Suspect his own mind is muddled and he felt that the personnel he had were  better placed for counter attacks. 

 

I couldn't argue with that in theory,  but the talk was of the fast start,  momentum. 

 

If it was by design,  it apparently destroyed momentum,  confidence and handed the initiative to Killie 

 

Which is exactly why this coaching model doesn’t work. With a Houston type assistant beside him he would’ve been questioned, all he has round him now are yes men!