Injuries

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Just now, Rudy T said:

 

Which is exactly why this coaching model doesn’t work. With a Houston type assistant beside him he would’ve been questioned, all he has round him now are yes men!

I really do agree with that. Huge problem.

[CJGJ]

Some of you medical experts be prepared. Pochettino is trying to contact you for advice about Hugo Lloris and his injury...he's been reading the thread and is so impressed by the expertise shown that rather than try specialists in London he'll come here to be told exactly how bad diet, poor training and poor backroom staff have contributed to his fall and subsequent dislocated elbow.

It may have been that extra cup of pre match coffee that caused his fall but no doubt you can let them know

 

A decision has been made not to operate but of course we know you'll advise the operation as it's clear there is no need to waste 3 months before getting the operation you would clearly advise him to have for what do experts know

[Jambof3tornado]

3 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

It’s going to be amazing against rangers with all these previously injured players returning!!!

first game back in a high tempo game.

what could possibly go wrong?

Not a chance of more than 1 of them even starting imo.

 

Levein bullshit on overdrive.

[davie1980]

Is it possibly worth leaving all these returning players out for the Rangers game and taking our hiding and bring them back after that?

 

The reality is we could bring one or more into the side, risk them hobbling straight back to the treatment table and we still get turned over anyway

[Romulus]

2 minutes ago, davie1980 said:

Is it possibly worth leaving all these returning players out for the Rangers game and taking our hiding and bring them back after that?

 

The reality is we could bring one or more into the side, risk them hobbling straight back to the treatment table and we still get turned over anyway

It’s irrelevant anyway as Levein is incapable of picking the same team every week. Guaranteed changes every game and moving players out of position for no reason. 

[pettigrewsstylist]

Anyone know the state of play with Wighton and his injury ?I dont seem to hear much abut this lad.

 

[pettigrewsstylist]

6 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Not a chance of more than 1 of them even starting imo.

 

Levein bullshit on overdrive.

Procuring minutes of free oxygen strategy.

[pettigrewsstylist]

9 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Here’s a novel idea, see if you play a high tempo against a team and create chances and score that’s the way you lure them out.

we score first and they then commit bodies.

why are we playing defensively against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle?

Because our mgmt team is unable to mentor them and motivate them via inspired leadership.

Suspect over complicating simple stuff also having an effect.

Result. Confused, poorly motivated, unconfident indivuliduals in self survival mode.

[pettigrewsstylist]

10 hours ago, GorgieRules22 said:

Back for Rangers

Hope not. Let him rest another week.

[pettigrewsstylist]

13 hours ago, Hampden Demolition said:

We’ve been using the injury excuse for the last 3 seasons and it’s tiresome. 

 

11 hours ago, weehammy said:

Never mind. Vanacek will be here in January.

What’s that? He arrived last January!

Apologies, Must’ve missed that.

Bought somebody 6mths breathing space tho. Tommorrow chaps, it be better tommorrow.

[Bazzas right boot]

11 hours ago, GinRummy said:

So Haring, Walker, Naismith and Uche all maybe back to play der hun?

 

 

 

 

Just hope they aren't rushed back...... 😭

 

Make a big difference tho. 🙄

 

[jambogaza]

CL said at the agm last year that once key players returned he expected us to go on a decent run again. Also felt vanacek would make a huge difference. We all know how that went. 

 

I like Levein but I'm afraid his judgement is all over the place. I could accept him going back to DOF until the end of the season, any change is welcome right now. We desperately need it. 

[vegas-voss]

11 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Here’s a novel idea, see if you play a high tempo against a team and create chances and score that’s the way you lure them out.

we score first and they then commit bodies.

why are we playing defensively against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle?

Cause Austin's computer analysis says we should and the tit Levein goes along with it.

[EIEIO]

Aidey White, what the latest with him is he injured or just another failed high risk signing? 

[TheBigO]

2 hours ago, EIEIO said:

Aidey White, what the latest with him is he injured or just another failed high risk signing? 

Been on bench last two games. If fit, you'd assume a better lwb than Mulraney if we insist on that forsaken formation.

 

Who knows.

[EIEIO]

10 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Been on bench last two games. If fit, you'd assume a better lwb than Mulraney if we insist on that forsaken formation.

 

Who knows.

Thanks didn't spot he was on the bench on Saturday.

[JamboAl]

4 hours ago, EIEIO said:

Aidey White, what the latest with him is he injured or just another failed high risk signing? 

Are you actually concerned or just wishing to have a pop?

[EIEIO]

6 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Are you actually concerned or just wishing to have a pop?

I'm concerned seemed a high risk signing as he hadn't played for the best part of 2 years when we already have a well documented year long injury crisis in our squad. However, in his brief number of appearances he has shown flashes of ability particularly going forward.  Levein thinks playing Mulraney at wing back is the better option though. 

[GinRummy]

2 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Been on bench last two games. If fit, you'd assume a better lwb than Mulraney if we insist on that forsaken formation.

 

Who knows.

 

Agreed  From the little I've seen of him LWB seems his best position.

[We_are_the_Hearts]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

 

Agreed  From the little I've seen of him LWB seems his best position.

Problem is he can't last 90 minutes. And when he does he looks knackered! Just another cog in the shambles.

[sandyk]

4 hours ago, EIEIO said:

Aidey White, what the latest with him is he injured or just another failed high risk signing? 

He has started the reserve match away v Dundee Utd this afternoon

 

Be good for him to get a full 90 mins. 

[MarkDevriesScores4]

I’ll be honest, many of you will no doubt disagree but even with our first choice team, we would be tactically inept and lacking in creativity because of the current set up and dugout.

 At best, we’ll finish 6th again. Not because of injuries but because of the management.

 

Im beyond frustrated now, in a land of extreme apathy. 

[AlimOzturk]

6 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

I’ll be honest, many of you will no doubt disagree but even with our first choice team, we would be tactically inept and lacking in creativity because of the current set up and dugout.

 At best, we’ll finish 6th again. Not because of injuries but because of the management.

 

Im beyond frustrated now, in a land of extreme apathy. 

 

When we had a full team at the start of last season we looked a team Tbh. The injuries ARE a contributing factor to the crisis we are in there urely can be no denying that. Losing Naismith, Soutar, Walker, Harring and other highly inuries would cripple most teams at our level. 

[Adam_the_legend]

9 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

When we had a full team at the start of last season we looked a team Tbh. The injuries ARE a contributing factor to the crisis we are in there urely can be no denying that. Losing Naismith, Soutar, Walker, Harring and other highly inuries would cripple most teams at our level. 

nevermind. Misread your post. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Adam_the_legend
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[MarkDevriesScores4]

1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

When we had a full team at the start of last season we looked a team Tbh. The injuries ARE a contributing factor to the crisis we are in there urely can be no denying that. Losing Naismith, Soutar, Walker, Harring and other highly inuries would cripple most teams at our level. 

When at the beginning of the season did we look like “a team”? Asking for a friend. Haven’t looked like a team in over a year

[EIEIO]

18 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

When at the beginning of the season did we look like “a team”? Asking for a friend. Haven’t looked like a team in over a year

He said beginning of last season. For me this season only good v Motherwell away in the League Cup. 

[Beave1874]

2 hours ago, sandyk said:

He has started the reserve match away v Dundee Utd this afternoon

 

Be good for him to get a full 90 mins. 

Played the whole game and looked totally fine. But again it was Dundee Utd reserves. 

[Robbo-Jambo]

5 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Been on bench last two games. If fit, you'd assume a better lwb than Mulraney if we insist on that forsaken formation.

 

Who knows.

Obviously scared to start him with his injury record.

 

If that is the case why give him a 2 year deal

 

 

[sandyk]

40 minutes ago, Beave1874 said:

Played the whole game and looked totally fine. But again it was Dundee Utd reserves. 

Good that he got the full 90 mins. 👍

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Good that he got the full 90 mins. 👍

 

Yep. Think he. Could do very well if he gets up to speed. Big if but here’s hoping.

[pettigrewsstylist]

10 hours ago, EIEIO said:

Aidey White, what the latest with him is he injured or just another failed high risk signing? 

Someone in Roseburn tutted at him,.left the boys confidence shattered. Should be okay tho and return to form 2021.

[Pasquale for King]

On 08/10/2019 at 14:48, AlimOzturk said:

 

When we had a full team at the start of last season we looked a team Tbh. The injuries ARE a contributing factor to the crisis we are in there urely can be no denying that. Losing Naismith, Soutar, Walker, Harring and other highly inuries would cripple most teams at our level. 

We didn’t have a fully fit team though, Djoum was out, the Berra, then Uche, then Souttar, then most importantly Naismith. Naismith makes the team tick, he’s our only regular goal scorer, he does the coaches job for them, we were still top of the league when he was fit, when he got injured NOBODY had a clue how to reverse the decline that’s still happening nearly a year later. No wonder they were so desperate to rush him back.

[JamboAl]

40 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

We didn’t have a fully fit team though, Djoum was out, the Berra, then Uche, then Souttar, then most importantly Naismith. Naismith makes the team tick, he’s our only regular goal scorer, he does the coaches job for them, we were still top of the league when he was fit, when he got injured NOBODY had a clue how to reverse the decline that’s still happening nearly a year later. No wonder they were so desperate to rush him back.

Naismith is without doubt a key man but do you not think it was the cumulative effect that ultimately knackered us?

Soapy, Uche and Berra were all playing well at the time and the latter's absence was covered reasonably well by Jimmy Dunne.  Indeed Uche and Berra are only now getting back to some level of match fitness while Naisy, Haring, Wighton and Soapy are currently missing from last season's squad.

In the summer, we signed several players to help prevent a repeat of last season's crisis but lo and behold even Walker, Washington and Halkett were struck down with longish-term injuries while Perreira, Damour, Morrison and Keena have had to miss games and the season has only just started.  We are continuously working with half a team, or less!

I think it's time some people got a grip of reality and started to actually back the team.

[upgotheheads]

Jamie Walker has been out for around 2 months with a BROKEN LEG. Seriously,what kind of leg break could it have been, any medics out there able to say?

[Captain Canada]

On 07/10/2019 at 22:56, davie1980 said:

Is it possibly worth leaving all these returning players out for the Rangers game and taking our hiding and bring them back after that?

 

The reality is we could bring one or more into the side, risk them hobbling straight back to the treatment table and we still get turned over anyway

That's what I've been thinking. The games against Livi and St. J are far more important and winnable. 

 

We have an awful track record for bringing players back too quickly from injury though so it's almost inevitable one or more will get crocked again against Sevco. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by Captain Canada

[milky_26]

16 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

Jamie Walker has been out for around 2 months with a BROKEN LEG. Seriously,what kind of leg break could it have been, any medics out there able to say?

he is weak, should have run it off

[OTT]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dele-alli-hires-nutritionist-cuts-20538908

 

worth making a note of this. Sounds like hamstrings are pretty much down to how well the player takes care of himself.

 

Interesting thing to check actually, 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/francesco-totti/verletzungen/spieler/5958

 

Totti, retired at 40 with 1 hamstring injury recorded. 

 

I wonder if the blame for some of this lies entirely with the players. I recall Walker making some comment back in 2014(?) about how since he stopped eating sweets his performances have improved... wonder if the club needs to seriously look at the players diets and start coming down hard like Gerrard and his fat camp at the huns ? 

[soonbe110]

56 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

he is weak, should have run it off

It was a fracture. Not as bad as broken. 

[upgotheheads]

23 hours ago, milky_26 said:

he is weak, should have run it off

In the he context of apparently being possibly fit to play against Der Hun. Surely any kind of fracture would take much longer to recover from.

[hearts00]

Quite clear from his comments in the Evening News today that we’ll be lucky to have anyone but Naismith back for the Rangers game. And he clearly won’t be match fit. 
 

Lots of chat about Walker being fit soon, no indication of that from Levein. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Does any club in the world moan about injuries as much as us

[DG_HMFC]

9 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Does any club in the world moan about injuries as much as us

 

If any team in world football had injuries to pretty much guaranteed starters, then yes, I'd think they'd be bitchin' as much as us.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

1 minute ago, DG_HMFC said:

 

If any team in world football had injuries to pretty much guaranteed starters, then yes, I'd think they'd be bitchin' as much as us.

 

We’ve started using it as an excuse for everything I’m afraid. It’s pathetic.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Does any club in the world moan about injuries as much as us

I doubt it.

I also doubt that any club in the world has had the level of serious longish-term injuries we have had so there is less need for others to moan.

Is there any club's fans who moan as much as ours even when they know we're injury stricken?

BTW, it's not an excuse; it's a reason.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

I doubt it.

I also doubt that any club in the world has had the level of serious longish-term injuries we have had so there is less need for others to moan.

Is there any club's fans who moan as much as ours even when they know we're injury stricken?

BTW, it's not an excuse; it's a reason.

 

It’s a reason which is doubling as an excuse for all our inadequacies, particularly those of our head coach and ‘backroom team’ if I can even call them that.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

It’s a reason which is doubling as an excuse for all our inadequacies, particularly those of our head coach and ‘backroom team’ if I can even call them that.

It's good that you accept it as a reason whether it doubles or trebles for anything.

While not suggesting anything one way or another re the backroom team,  we were top of the league before the injuries impacted last season,

That is a fact.

Edited October 10, 2019 by JamboAl

[Doc Rob]

On 09/10/2019 at 18:37, soonbe110 said:

It was a fracture. Not as bad as broken. 

I really hope you’re joking. It’s the exact same thing.

 

A broken leg would generally be in plaster for about 12 weeks. I think Walker broke his fibula, which isn’t weight-bearing, so it might be a bit less.

[Doc Rob]

Also saw a report today suggesting that Halkett’s injury wasn’t as bad as was feared, and he might be back in early December.

[Pasquale for King]

On 09/10/2019 at 18:36, OTT said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dele-alli-hires-nutritionist-cuts-20538908

 

worth making a note of this. Sounds like hamstrings are pretty much down to how well the player takes care of himself.

 

Interesting thing to check actually, 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/francesco-totti/verletzungen/spieler/5958

 

Totti, retired at 40 with 1 hamstring injury recorded. 

 

I wonder if the blame for some of this lies entirely with the players. I recall Walker making some comment back in 2014(?) about how since he stopped eating sweets his performances have improved... wonder if the club needs to seriously look at the players diets and start coming down hard like Gerrard and his fat camp at the huns ? 

Definitely, diet/rehydration/training schedules etc all play their part. 

[Pasquale for King]

Interesting that Alexis Sanchez isn’t going back to Utd to be treated for an injury that’s likely to keep him out for three months. We’re we not told it’s standard protocol?