Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 28/09/2019 at 18:18, soonbe110 said: Where was Clevid today when he was needed? Levein dropped him from the squad, or was he injured, Levein flu perhaps 🤷🏾♂️? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Levein dropped him from the squad, or was he injured, Levein flu perhaps 🤷🏾♂️? Didn't want two CBs on the bench? Edited September 30, 2019 by Bunny Munro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 28/09/2019 at 20:38, Cruyff Turn said: I don’t think so. Actually have a look at the injuries we have had. Bar Garuccio’s & Harings, they have all happened during matches having fell or landed awkwardly, or as the result of a challenge vs an opponent. Even Ben’s injury was the result of twisting his knee during a training game. Haring’s is a problem which he has been carrying before he even came to Hearts as the result of alignment in his pelvis or hips or something which was causing a hernia in his groin. You can go all all the way back to Djoum and Souttar exploding their Achilles away at Ross County & Celtic. Paterson doing his cruciate at Tynie. Souttar has had a couple of OP’s on his hips since and did his knee v Aberdeen at the start of the season. Berra slipped and landed funny during a match at Tynie resulting in his hamstring being ripped off the bone. Uche breaks a toe in a 50 - 50 at Motherwell. Naismiths injury was the result of landing awkwardly v Dundee away. Then he came back and had a recurrence of that same knee injury and has since had niggling injuries due to being out for such a long time. Walker fractures his leg making a tackle. Washington does his hammy stretching for a ball. This is probably the only injury that may or could have been avoided, but then again, maybe not. And today Halkett’s twisted his knee in a challenge resulting in most probably, medial ligament damage. Tell me how that is anything but freak incidents? You can’t legislate late for those injuries, they just happen. Unfortunately, it seems they happen to us more than anyone else. You forgot Smith playing when he had a tight hamstring all week. Waahington was on the bench because he was feeling his back, an injury when he went away with NI. Uche was injured by a defender standing on his foot, the physio diagnoses the injury and was ignored until a second specialist was asked, not by the 50/50 with Carson. Levein played him at Ibrox with the injury, did it make it worse? Signing injury prone players is also part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: Didn't want two CBs on the bench? Indeed, I was answering the question of where he was when we needed him. Considering we had two fullbacks as centre backs and wingers as fullbacks it might’ve been a better idea to play people in their proper positions or have another CB on the bench instead of 3 guys who can play Centre midfield? Dikamona seems to be paying for his mistake up at Pittodrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, I was answering the question of where he was when we needed him. Considering we had two fullbacks as centre backs and wingers as fullbacks it might’ve been a better idea to play people in their proper positions or have another CB on the bench instead of 3 guys who can play Centre midfield? Dikamona seems to be paying for his mistake up at Pittodrie. Ah, sorry I misunderstood. The problem with Dikamona is that CL gave him close to zero minutes during preseason and the league cup games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: Ah, sorry I misunderstood. The problem with Dikamona is that CL gave him close to zero minutes during preseason and the league cup games. He’s hardly played and reserve games either,White/Naismith/Whelan/Damour/Morrison didn’t get much either and are thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Dikamoma has always seemed decent to me but was also surprised he didn't get much game time early in the season although when I said that on here some of the JKB experts said he shouldn't play as he's not good enough Looks like he will have to step in now so hopefully he is fit Losing Halkett is a huge loss because the boy plays like a winner as opposed to most of the others who seem to have been dragged down into a lack of confidence / loser mentality since last October Just have to hope Haring, Souttar and Naismith come back soon fighting fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 56 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: The difference being as soon as Perriera was injured they took him straight back down the road. In his first spell Mitchell was playing with an injury, walked off in disgust after aggravating it whilst we were beating St Johnstone, left us with ten men. Levein said he would play the following weekend, Utd took him back and he was operated on before our next game. He then got the same injury in his second spell. Is it just luck? Don't remember Mitchell "walking off in disgust" Or have you just said that to make it sound more dramatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Don't remember Mitchell "walking off in disgust" Or have you just said that to make it sound more dramatic Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. Possibly in pain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. So you are the only one who states this happened..perhaps you could post us pictures of the 'look' you describe Like your other posts on this topic utter tosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. Why did he re-sign for us then? If he was that disgusted with the treatment he received why come back? It's clear you hold the club responsible for all the injuries, but hyperbole isn't going to help your side of the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. Don't think many players going off with an injury would have a big smile on their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: Levein dropped him from the squad, or was he injured, Levein flu perhaps 🤷🏾♂️? No idea, strange one considering he came on as a sub on Wednesday. Must have been ill or injured I’d think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Nope it was right in front of me in the main stand, looked completely pissed off. Most players going off injured don't tend to stop for selfies and sign autographs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Smithee said: Possibly in pain? Yes probably, and maybe pissed off because he knew he wasn’t right and shouldn’t be playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, CJGJ said: So you are the only one who states this happened..perhaps you could post us pictures of the 'look' you describe Like your other posts on this topic utter tosh Utter tosh 😃, no pics I’m afraid I can’t find any. Just bad luck though eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said: Why did he re-sign for us then? If he was that disgusted with the treatment he received why come back? It's clear you hold the club responsible for all the injuries, but hyperbole isn't going to help your side of the debate. Did he have any choice? Nobody else wanted him, is he out on loan now? Not all injuries but they can’t possibly all be bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Don't think many players going off with an injury would have a big smile on their face. Indeed, he probably shouldn’t have been playing though as he was operated on days later after struggling for three games with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: No idea, strange one considering he came on as a sub on Wednesday. Must have been ill or injured I’d think. I think it was just that Berra was on the bench, but 3 Cm were there too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, he probably shouldn’t have been playing though as he was operated on days later after struggling for three games with it. My apologies, I had no idea you had such extensive medical training and that the club kept you fully informed regarding the fitness of the players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Most players going off injured don't tend to stop for selfies and sign autographs How original, players who are being pressured into playing don’t look that happy either when they go off injured as Smith was at Celtic last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, The Treasurer said: My apologies, I had no idea you had such extensive medical training and that the club kept you fully informed regarding the fitness of the players It was all in the press, no need to apologise though 🙈. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Pasquale for King said: How original, players who are being pressured into playing don’t look that happy either when they go off injured as Smith was at Celtic last month. How do you know they were pressured into playing? I suggest you know nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Notts1874 said: How do you know they were pressured into playing? I suggest you know nothing. Quite a few on here have said that Smith himself wasn’t happy about playing at Celtic Park as he knew he wasn’t ready. Did someone also not say the ref told them Clare was told to stay on at East Fife with a tight hamstring? No proof of course, do you any that they weren’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 So why are we getting all these injuries, far more than any other club it seems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: It was all in the press, no need to apologise though 🙈. So the press knew the extent of his injury and knew that he was pissed off by playing with that injury. You keep peddling this line if you want, I think I'll go with the reasoning that a club like Man Utd will be keeping close enough tabs on their players to know if they should be playing or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: So why are we getting all these injuries, far more than any other club it seems? What could the club have done differently to avoid the injuries to Halkett, Walker, Souttar and probably Washington.? Naismith came back from injury but picked up a different, unrelated injury which often happens when players have been out for a while. Haring took a gamble to play in the Cup Final, hindsight maybe says he shouldn't have, but both he and the club thought it was a risk worth taking Smith at Parkhead is maybe questionable, I'll give you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: So the press knew the extent of his injury and knew that he was pissed off by playing with that injury. You keep peddling this line if you want, I think I'll go with the reasoning that a club like Man Utd will be keeping close enough tabs on their players to know if they should be playing or not Did I say that? The injury was well publicised. His attitude when he went down and walked off looked to me as someone who didn’t feel like he was fit enough, i could well be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Quite a few on here have said that Smith himself wasn’t happy about playing at Celtic Park as he knew he wasn’t ready. Did someone also not say the ref told them Clare was told to stay on at East Fife with a tight hamstring? No proof of course, do you any that they weren’t? You are just making stuff up now to try and fit in with your argument. Quit while your behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: What could the club have done differently to avoid the injuries to Halkett, Walker, Souttar and probably Washington.? Naismith came back from injury but picked up a different, unrelated injury which often happens when players have been out for a while. Haring took a gamble to play in the Cup Final, hindsight maybe says he shouldn't have, but both he and the club thought it was a risk worth taking Smith at Parkhead is maybe questionable, I'll give you that To nit-pick in the extreme not many number 10s pick up Injuries defending on their 18 yard line in open play as Walker did, that’s the way CL wants the team to play. Washington went to NI with a back complaint, that’s why he only played 85 minutes and started on the bench for us. Naismith was only fit enough to play 25 minutes at Aberdeen, he couldn’t have possibly been fit enough to start against Ross County 6 days later. He is our most important player and should be wrapped in cotton wool as much as possible if we want to get the best out of him over the next four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Notts1874 said: You are just making stuff up now to try and fit in with your argument. Quit while your behind. Not at all, sorry if you missed it. Any proof I’m wrong? You didn’t answer last time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: not many number 10s pick up Injuries defending on their 18 yard line in open play as Walker did, that’s the way CL wants the team to play. Proof please. So you don't want players tracking back now?? You are an utter slaver. 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Naismith was only fit enough to play 25 minutes at Aberdeen, he couldn’t have possibly been fit enough to start against Ross County 6 days later. Once again. Proof please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Not at all, sorry if you missed it. Any proof I’m wrong? You didn’t answer last time? That's not how it works im afraid pal. You are making the claims. Back them up with proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Proof please. So you don't want players tracking back now?? You are an utter slaver. Once again. Proof please. As I said it was nitpicking, he was in own box and not many number tens do that in open play. My point is neither of us have proof but somehow you’re right 🤷🏾♂️😃? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Proof please. So you don't want players tracking back now?? You are an utter slaver. Once again. Proof please. He hadn’t had a pre season, has only played 25 minutes of football in 7 months. He couldn’t possibly be fully fit to start that game 6 days after only being fit enough to play 25 minutes, and has only played ten minutes since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: As I said it was nitpicking, he was in own box and not many number tens do that in open play. My point is neither of us have proof but somehow you’re right 🤷🏾♂️😃? Lots of No.10's defend their own box. I'm not the one making stuff up, that's you I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: He couldn’t possibly be fully fit Still no proof. Only opinion and going by your other posts i would say it's worth taking with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shed1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I believe or my opinion regarding some injuries are based around playing under stress out of position. Players are being asked to cover areas they have struggles adapting to game - game. Its arse to elbow casualty's building up their replacements wonder who's next. A nightmare for any squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Still no proof. Only opinion and going by your other posts i would say it's worth taking with a pinch of salt. Nobody who knows anything about football would say you can only be fit for 25 minutes after 7 months out without a proper preseason and be fully fit 6 days later 😆🤣😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Pasquale for King said: Nobody who knows anything about football would say you can only be fit for 25 minutes after 7 months out without a proper preseason and be fully fit 6 days later 😆🤣😂. Going by your posts im not sure you fall into the category of "Knowing anything about football" Anyway you keep up the good fight slagging off the club at any opportunity. I'm sure it fills your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: To nit-pick in the extreme not many number 10s pick up Injuries defending on their 18 yard line in open play as Walker did, that’s the way CL wants the team to play. Washington went to NI with a back complaint, that’s why he only played 85 minutes and started on the bench for us. Naismith was only fit enough to play 25 minutes at Aberdeen, he couldn’t have possibly been fit enough to start against Ross County 6 days later. He is our most important player and should be wrapped in cotton wool as much as possible if we want to get the best out of him over the next four years. So Walker should have just let the player have a free shot at goal ??? Washington overstretched for the ball and did his hamstring, what has that got to do with a back problem (which was so bad he could only play 85 minutes of an international match) !!! Naismth had a run out at Aberdeen, felt fine but picked up a different injury the following week, which as I said, happens all the time. The more y reply the more you are shooting down your own argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: Going by your posts im not sure you fall into the category of "Knowing anything about football" Anyway you keep up the good fight slagging off the club at any opportunity. I'm sure it fills your day. Not at all, if they deserve slagged they get it and also praised when it’s due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: As I said it was nitpicking, he was in own box and not many number tens do that in open play. My point is neither of us have proof but somehow you’re right 🤷🏾♂️😃? He wasnt playing no 10 position that match. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: So Walker should have just let the player have a free shot at goal ??? Washington overstretched for the ball and did his hamstring, what has that got to do with a back problem (which was so bad he could only play 85 minutes of an international match) !!! Naismth had a run out at Aberdeen, felt fine but picked up a different injury the following week, which as I said, happens all the time. The more y reply the more you are shooting down your own argument No the point I made was that not many number tens have to defend in their own box during open play. It’s hypercritical to say it though. Washington would’ve started if he was fit enough, so there was obviously a problem. The back is very much attached to the hamstring and if either is right over stretching due to that can cause problems. Naismiths knee is fine, starting a game when not fully fit seems to have caused the hamstring problems and really wasn’t worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Reserve team seem to avoid injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheBigO said: He wasnt playing no 10 position that match. Sorry. He was playing behind Washington, Clare was right and Mulraney left? Maclean replaced him and played in the same position. It was in the middle of the box where he got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Vlad Magic said: Reserve team seem to avoid injuries? Every player for the last two seasons have been injured at some point during the season, I can only remember Morrison getting injured whilst playing in the reserves though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Pasquale for King said: Every player for the last two seasons have been injured at some point during the season, I can only remember Morrison getting injured whilst playing in the reserves though. I assume the reserves train, play and generally follow the same routines as the first team so with such an obvious difference between injured players we can deduce it is purely bad luck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: The difference being as soon as Perriera was injured they took him straight back down the road. In his first spell Mitchell was playing with an injury, walked off in disgust after aggravating it whilst we were beating St Johnstone, left us with ten men. Levein said he would play the following weekend, Utd took him back and he was operated on before our next game. He then got the same injury in his second spell. Is it just luck? If what you are saying to true then Man United would never have agreed to loan us another player never mind let the same player come back again post injury. They never leave any details to chance. Likewise we had that left back from Man City who got injured early doors and never played but still Man City sent us a second player this summer. I simply don’t believe these top EPL clubs would let their young talent come here repeatedly if there was a chance our medical practices but them at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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