U.S. Politics megathread (merged)

[JackLadd]

1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Technically he's right.  There's no law in America that says colluding with someone is a crime.

 

But I believe that there are laws against accepting the help of a foreign power in an election.

 

Trump and his administration are terrified of the Mueller investigation.  Why is that, if Trump or someone close to him, hasn't broken any laws?

 

 

 

Obviously Mueller is uncovering more criminal activity by Trump than just conspiracy to collude. There is likely money laundering and other corruption. On collusion though, you might well see a billion dollar civil law suit on Donnie by the dems if it's deemed not a criminal matter. Trump will need another chapter 11.

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

Obviously Mueller is uncovering more criminal activity by Trump than just conspiracy to collude. There is likely money laundering and other corruption. On collusion though, you might well see a billion dollar civil law suit on Donnie by the dems if it's deemed not a criminal matter. Trump will need another chapter 11.

 

See, this is where I'm not so sure.  There has been talk over the months about a "golden shower" video, about dodgy financial deals in Russia, of money laundering, etc.  While any or all of them might be true, it's possible it's simpler than that.

 

It might be as simple as Trump knows that the Russians helped him get elected, and that raises doubts about the legitimacy of his Presidency.  He hates the fact that Hillary got more votes than he did.  He hates the fact that Obama got bigger crowds at his inauguration than he did.  It's all about Trump's ego.

 

Putin could pull the plug on him any time, by simply announcing that he helped Trump get elected because he disliked Clinton.  And that would make Trump look like a big stupid puppet, something Trump's ego can't handle. 

[Notts1874]

11 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

See, this is where I'm not so sure.  There has been talk over the months about a "golden shower" video, about dodgy financial deals in Russia, of money laundering, etc.  While any or all of them might be true, it's possible it's simpler than that.

 

It might be as simple as Trump knows that the Russians helped him get elected, and that raises doubts about the legitimacy of his Presidency.  He hates the fact that Hillary got more votes than he did.  He hates the fact that Obama got bigger crowds at his inauguration than he did.  It's all about Trump's ego.

 

Putin could pull the plug on him any time, by simply announcing that he helped Trump get elected because he disliked Clinton.  And that would make Trump look like a big stupid puppet, something Trump's ego can't handle. 

Its also interesting that the narrative has moved from their was no collusion to collusion isn't a crime.

 

Put that together with the personal attacks on Mueller.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

7 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

Its also interesting that the narrative has moved from their was no collusion to collusion isn't a crime.

 

Put that together with the personal attacks on Mueller.

 

Add in the whole fake news narrative and that Trump is now saying don't believe what you see or read in the media.

It's like the WH knows there may be some damning news to come out with regards to Trump and is doing all it can to try and soften it's impact.

 

[J.T.F.Robertson]

And still no tax returns. I wonder ..... 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

20 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

And still no tax returns. I wonder ..... 

 

 

By now they must have been subjected to the biggest greatest most tremendous audit in the entire history of the USA.

 

Yet another free ride this clown gets from the media, they should be asking him at every news conference where are his tax returns, what does he have to hide from the American people, you said they were being audited 2 years ago where are they, why don't you want the American people to see where your money is coming from?

 

So far it's a missed opportunity to put this charlatan under pressure, pressure which he can only deflect for so long before people start asking what do you have to hide in your tax returns Mr. President.

[Bindy Badgy]

35 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

By now they must have been subjected to the biggest greatest most tremendous audit in the entire history of the USA.

 

Yet another free ride this clown gets from the media, they should be asking him at every news conference where are his tax returns, what does he have to hide from the American people, you said they were being audited 2 years ago where are they, why don't you want the American people to see where your money is coming from?

 

So far it's a missed opportunity to put this charlatan under pressure, pressure which he can only deflect for so long before people start asking what do you have to hide in your tax returns Mr. President.

 

If Clinton had won the election and hadn't made her tax returns public you can guarantee that Fox would be banging this drum every single day.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

10 minutes ago, Stokesy said:

 

If Clinton had won the election and hadn't made her tax returns public you can guarantee that Fox would be banging this drum every single day.

 

As would Trump, the Republican party and all of their supporters.

 

In some ways this highlights the problems in the Democratic party, that here is the perfect stick to beat Trump with, but there isn't any coordinated attack or leadership on something such as his tax returns, something which Trump would very soon run out of excuses about and would force his hand into revealing something which he obviously doesn't want in the public domain, and yet we hear very little if anything about it in the media or from the Democrats.

 

The Democrats really need to get their act together and quickly or this buffon could luck his way into a second term.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

As would Trump, the Republican party and all of their supporters.

 

In some ways this highlights the problems in the Democratic party, that here is the perfect stick to beat Trump with, but there isn't any coordinated attack or leadership on something such as his tax returns, something which Trump would very soon run out of excuses about and would force his hand into revealing something which he obviously doesn't want in the public domain, and yet we hear very little if anything about it in the media or from the Democrats.

 

The Democrats really need to get their act together and quickly or this buffon could luck his way into a second term.

Of course they do, as do some Republicans who are serious about opposing Trump.

But not by banging on the same old themes of tax statements, Russian "interference" and sex workers' allegations and payings off. 

The majority of Trump  voters clearly don't give a shit about the "issues" that have dominated the Trump "opposition" since he was elected.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Sharpie]

I watched Fox news again last night, Tucker Carlson. He was talking about the immigration problem with a Democrat. He then went into a tirade about the Democrats and some Republicans blocking the Immigration Bill that Trump wants to go through, and then he asked why are they blocking the money for the wall we need a wall to stop all these bad people from entering the country.  I find it strange that being so knowledgeable and not fake news that the people who are holding back on the billions asked for are unlike Carlson remembering the strong, strong promises of candidate Trump that Mexico would pay for the wall. When elected President Trump again made that statement, and the Mexican President made it clear Mexico would not pay, and now the man whom everything he has done  is the greatest in history never been done before, was blocked in making true his biggest campaign promise by wee Mexico. A big useless bag o' wind.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

39 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Of course they do, as do some Republicans who are serious about opposing Trump.

But not by banging on the same old themes of tax statements, Russian "interference" and sex workers' allegations and payings off. 

The majority of Trump  voters clearly don't give a shit about the "issues" that have dominated the Trump "opposition" since he was elected.

 

Nor what he did before he was elected either, which kinda makes me believe it wouldn't matter what the man said or did, because for most of his ardent supporters the sun would still shine out his ****.

 

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Nor what he did before he was elected either, which kinda makes me believe it wouldn't matter what the man said or did, because for most of his ardent supporters the sun would still shine out his ****.

 

The problem in my view is that the attacks on Trump have played on a simplistic "reality TV" view of politics, playing into the hands of Trump.Try focusing on real trditional political issues and his opponents might just make some progress. Or is that too 

Idealistic in the twitter age?

Edited July 31, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Bindy Badgy]

11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The problem in my view is that the attacks on Trump have played on a simplistic "reality TV" view of politics, playing into the hands of Trump.Try focusing on real trditional political issues and his opponents might just make some progress. Or is that too 

Idealistic in the twitter age?

 

It probably is unfortunately. We're involved in a race to the bottom at the moment.

 

Quite how we get out of this rut is beyond me.

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Nor what he did before he was elected either, which kinda makes me believe it wouldn't matter what the man said or did, because for most of his ardent supporters the sun would still shine out his ****.

 

But you don't have to.appeal to his ardent supporters. You have to appeal to at most 5% of his least ardent. Unfortunately most opposition has focused on "fake issues" (ok perhaps not fake but in view of those who.might be swayed peripheral and witch hunting) that have no traction with those who might be swayed away from Trump.

[Maple Leaf]

5 hours ago, bobsharp said:

I watched Fox news again last night, Tucker Carlson. He was talking about the immigration problem with a Democrat. He then went into a tirade about the Democrats and some Republicans blocking the Immigration Bill that Trump wants to go through, and then he asked why are they blocking the money for the wall we need a wall to stop all these bad people from entering the country.  I find it strange that being so knowledgeable and not fake news that the people who are holding back on the billions asked for are unlike Carlson remembering the strong, strong promises of candidate Trump that Mexico would pay for the wall. When elected President Trump again made that statement, and the Mexican President made it clear Mexico would not pay, and now the man whom everything he has done  is the greatest in history never been done before, was blocked in making true his biggest campaign promise by wee Mexico. A big useless bag o' wind.

 

The Trump promise that Mexico would pay for the wall is being intentionally ignored by Trump and his supporters.  It's a campaign promise that will never be fulfilled, so they choose to ignore it.

 

What is also being ignored is that there are already about 600 miles of walls, fences, and "virtual walls" (sensors and cameras) running along the border from San Diego to El Paso Texas.  The many billions of dollars that Trump is demanding is mostly to build a wall between El Paso Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.  Inconveniently for Trump, the border there happens to be the Rio Grande river!  Once upon a time, Mexicans used to swim across the Rio Grande (hence the derogatory name "Wetbacks"), but that stopped a long time ago.  The international border is actually in the middle of the river, so what exactly is Trump proposing?  Build a wall in the middle of the river, or build it along the north bank of the river, thereby ceding US territory on the south side of the wall to Mexico?  The answer is, they haven't figured it out yet. 

 

It's all now become political posturing, but that stops people from talking about the Meuller investigation, right?

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

The Trump promise that Mexico would pay for the wall is being intentionally ignored by Trump and his supporters.  It's a campaign promise that will never be fulfilled, so they choose to ignore it.

 

What is also being ignored is that there are already about 600 miles of walls, fences, and "virtual walls" (sensors and cameras) running along the border from San Diego to El Paso Texas.  The many billions of dollars that Trump is demanding is mostly to build a wall between El Paso Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.  Inconveniently for Trump, the border there happens to be the Rio Grande river!  Once upon a time, Mexicans used to swim across the Rio Grande (hence the derogatory name "Wetbacks"), but that stopped a long time ago.  The international border is actually in the middle of the river, so what exactly is Trump proposing?  Build a wall in the middle of the river, or build it along the north bank of the river, thereby ceding US territory on the south side of the wall to Mexico?  The answer is, they haven't figured it out yet. 

 

It's all now become political posturing, but that stops people from talking about the Meuller investigation, right?

All of the current physical barriers between the US and Mexico existed before and were enforced before Trump became President. Yes even by .Saint Obama.

And your idea that protecting its borders by action on the north side of the Rio Grande would concede the mid-river to Mexico is ludicrous.

 

And no, it obviousjy does not stop people talking about the Mueller investigation as you have just proven.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

The problem in my view is that the attacks on Trump have played on a simplistic "reality TV" view of politics, playing into the hands of Trump.Try focusing on real trditional political issues and his opponents might just make some progress. Or is that too 

Idealistic in the twitter age?

 

You could be right,  just cast your mind back to the TV debates between Trump & Clinton, everyone thought she'd wipe the floor with him, especially when it came to policy detail, something which the Trump campaign lacked, they had plenty of rhetoric but short on actual policy details, but no she didn't land many if any blows on him, and like you say played straight into his hands.

 

And continue to do so.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Sharpie]

The Mueller investigation may take a back seat for a while effective september 11. Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has written a book titled Fear.  It is about Donald Trump business executive.  He had a propensity for recording all calls, and interviews. Woodward has obtained some handwritten notes by Trump, and statements from a number of executives who knowing of Trumps recording habits done some of their own. Bombshell is a word often used in pre selling books, but with Woodwards reputation and information it may be well suited to this particular piece of literature.

[Ulysses]

55 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

You could be right,  just cast your mind back to the TV debates between Trump & Clinton, everyone thought she'd wipe the floor with him, especially when it came to policy detail, something which the Trump campaign lacked, they had plenty of rhetoric but short on actual policy details, but no she didn't land many if any blows on him, and like you say played straight into his hands.

 

And continue to do so.

 

 

If Clinton offered any economic policies they were difficult to hear above the noises her campaign made about Trump's favourite campaign topic - Trump. 

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

All of the current physical barriers between the US and Mexico existed before and were enforced before Trump became President. Yes even by .Saint Obama.

And your idea that protecting its borders by action on the north side of the Rio Grande would concede the mid-river to Mexico is ludicrous.

 

And no, it obviousjy does not stop people talking about the Mueller investigation as you have just proven.

 

So where is Saint Trump going to build the wall?  

 

In the middle of the river?  On the north side of the river?  North of the flood plain?  Through private property or around it? Bisecting communities that sit on the river or around them?

 

If it isn't in the middle of the river, how does the US maintain sovereignty over American territory to the south of the wall?  

 

I don't expect you to know the answers to these questions, because the Americans themselves haven't figured it out yet.  Have you considered why Trump is demanding billions for a wall that he promised Mexico would pay for, and has no idea where to build?

[Francis Albert]

9 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

So where is Saint Trump going to build the wall?  

 

In the middle of the river?  On the north side of the river?  North of the flood plain?  Through private property or around it? Bisecting communities that sit on the river or around them?

 

If it isn't in the middle of the river, how does the US maintain sovereignty over American territory to the south of the wall?  

 

I don't expect you to know the answers to these questions, because the Americans themselves haven't figured it out yet.  Have you considered why Trump is demanding billions for a wall that he promised Mexico would pay for, and has no idea where to build?

Where are the existing fences located? On US land north of the border perhaps?

In practice I doubt there will be a wall or at any rate any significant addition to the existing physical barriers. 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Where are the existing fences located? On US land north of the border perhaps?

In practice I doubt there will be a wall or at any rate any significant addition to the existing physical barriers. 

 

In that case, if the Democrats had any sense they'd vote to give Trump the money to build the wall and when it doesn't appear it'll be all Trump's fault, nothing to do with the Democrats.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Trump calling on Sessions to end the Mueller investigation 'right now'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-calls-sessions-end-mueller-s-witch-hunt-n896481

 

Sounds awfully like, If Sessions refuses, Trump could fire Sessions and then fire Mueller, don't think either would be a good move for Trump.

Seems things might be coming to a head.

 

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Not pretty. 

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Not pretty. 

 

 

 

Yet I'd bet the very same people in that clip, will lap up every word the likes of Carlson, Hannity et al tell them, because it fits with the way they think.

 

Trump has to realise that his words carry a lot of weight with a lot of people, and we all know it's only a matter of time before some nutter with a gun...................well we know the rest.

 

[alwaysthereinspirit]

15 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Not pretty. 

 

 

Couldn't agree more. We shouldn't be treating people this way. Ever.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

He wouldn't survive that.

 

Trump is getting more and more desperate for the Mueller investigation to be stopped.

 

Just when there are court cases and questions about what actually happened at Trump Tower and Trump wants it all to be stopped. 

[alwaysthereinspirit]

4 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said:

Couldn't agree more. We shouldn't be treating people this way. Ever.

I inserted the wrong one the first time. Sorry for the confusion.

[Maple Leaf]

13 minutes ago, Barack said:

He wouldn't survive that.

 

If we'd dug Trump's grave every time someone said "he'll never survive this", we'd be halfway to China by now.

 

He'll survive anything as long as the Republicans control Congress.

[Bindy Badgy]

7 minutes ago, Barack said:

Not for long then...

 

Democrats 1.91 to gain control of Congress on Betfair https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.131974989

 

Good odds if you think it's a lock...

Edited August 1, 2018 by Stokesy

[Jambo-Jimbo]

12 minutes ago, Barack said:

Rudy's: "The President wasn't at a strategy meeting, before the meeting at Trump Towers, that wasn't a meeting" spiel; was really top notch too.

 

He'll have to treat himself as a hostile witness, if Mueller ever calls him too.

 

I honestly think he's got early Alzheimer's or something. He's even got FOX News Editor's scratching their heads, as to how to get the Host's to not ask incriminating questions.

 

Yeh, that was something, Giuliani answering questions which hadn't been asked yet, well maybe not in the public domain as yet.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Here's something though. Interesting, concerning...depends what side of the Mexican Border you're on about all this, I suppose. Below is an extract from CBS:

 

 

In a CBS News poll released earlier this week, 70% of Republicans described the Mueller probe as a "witch hunt." That same poll showed that more than nine in 10 "strong Trump supporters" trust Trump for "accurate information" as compared to 63% who trust "family and friends" and 11% who trust the "mainstream media."

Need more? In March, roughly three in 10 Republicans approved of Robert Mueller in CNN polling. By May, that number was down to 17% approval. That data is backed up by other polls. Last July, a Politico/Morning Consult survey showed that 27% of Republicans had an unfavorable view of Mueller. By this June, that number was 53%.

 

 

Trump won't be indicted, I think we know this. Seems like Mueller will give his report findings, & popular opinion will take its course. Though, as we see above; Giuliani's & Trump's PR mission(and that's all they can do, simply...) amongst his core vote, will not only stay strong, but it has become more malleable to Trump's constant Tweet rhetoric.

 

 

Hardened Trump supporters, trust his Tweets for accurate information, than their own families.

 

That's staggering.

 

Not only staggering but very very scary.

 

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

Here's something though. Interesting, concerning...depends what side of the Mexican Border you're on about all this, I suppose. Below is an extract from CBS:

 

 

In a CBS News poll released earlier this week, 70% of Republicans described the Mueller probe as a "witch hunt." That same poll showed that more than nine in 10 "strong Trump supporters" trust Trump for "accurate information" as compared to 63% who trust "family and friends" and 11% who trust the "mainstream media."

Need more? In March, roughly three in 10 Republicans approved of Robert Mueller in CNN polling. By May, that number was down to 17% approval. That data is backed up by other polls. Last July, a Politico/Morning Consult survey showed that 27% of Republicans had an unfavorable view of Mueller. By this June, that number was 53%.

 

 

Trump won't be indicted, I think we know this. Seems like Mueller will give his report findings, & popular opinion will take its course. Though, as we see above; Giuliani's & Trump's PR mission(and that's all they can do, simply...) amongst his core vote, will not only stay strong, but it has become more malleable to Trump's constant Tweet rhetoric.

 

 

Hardened Trump supporters, trust his Tweets for accurate information, than their own families.

 

That's staggering.

 

Incredible numbers. 

 

Those generally under-educated people have always been out there. Only now social media is giving them access to infinitely more misinformation than they had before. The staggering thing for me is just how unstoppable somebody who has cynically exploited all of this seems to be. 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

[Maple Leaf]

28 minutes ago, Barack said:

 "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

 

Abraham Lincoln.

 

 

 

 

He doesn't need to fool all of them.  He doesn't even need to fool half of them.  He only needs to fool 46% of the voters.  That's what he got in 2016. 

[ri Alban]

27 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

He doesn't need to fool all of them.  He doesn't even need to fool half of them.  He only needs to fool 46% of the voters.  That's what he got in 2016. 

Yet Hillary gained more votes. 

[Maple Leaf]

Just now, ri Alban said:

Yet Hillary gained more votes. 

 

Yes, she got 3 million more votes, roughly 2%, than Trump.  Those are what's called popular votes.  

 

Trump won the Electoral College votes, and that's what counts in Presidential elections.

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Yes, she got 3 million more votes, roughly 2%, than Trump.  Those are what's called popular votes.  

 

Trump won the Electoral College votes, and that's what counts in Presidential elections.

I know, democracy is fecked up. 

[Sharpie]

I watched Trump last night in Florida. The usual campaign rhetoric, fake news there, but they won't show the thousands and thousand outside who could not get into the arena, but they put up a big screen so they could watch. Even Fox news who were there did not and has not ever shown those thousands and thousands of people who were in the streets. What I did notice was that the same block of red shirted red cap people were there. As was the Blacks for America signs which are always present including one black guy who is at all the campaign locations.

 

Two protestors were removed from the crowd one seemed to be a female in Muslim type clothing, you would wonder why in the interests of her safety the security did not advise her that she would be better not coming in, of course she may have been attacked by the thousands and thousands outside. Trump suggested that although there was only one the fake news would say unruly mob removed. A cynic would suggest a set up as he has used this line under similar circumstances before.

 

 The President during his comedy act, sorry campaign spech, suggested that new voters registration cards with picture i.d. should be issued. He suggested that this was not unusual as picture i.d was required for everything including when you went shopping you were asked for picture i.d.  I guess he was confused and thinking about the golden shower retailers in Russia.

 

In disgust I changed channels I went to get some intelligent news at Fox. Tucker the f.....r, was on interviewing a woman about changes in legislation that would reduce the charges on simple possession of 10k or less of heroin. The subject was interesting the woman had points to make but Carlson as usual talked or more correctly shouted over her comments. I turned that off and went to the cartoon channel where animated characters made consideably more sense and indicated subtantially higher i.q's.  Of course the daftest of the lot is me who will be back doing it all again today.

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

6 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Yes, she got 3 million more votes, roughly 2%, than Trump.  Those are what's called popular votes.  

 

Trump won the Electoral College votes, and that's what counts in Presidential elections.

 

Weren't they all Illegal immigrants?  Sure I heard someone say that! 

You know Illegals who were unknown to the authorities, yet somehow had managed to obtain ID which allowed them to vote and every one of them just happened to vote for Hillary.

 

[CavySlaveJambo]

the more Trump denies collusion with Russia, especially with trying to demand the end of the investigation, to be the more I believe there is something there, that he does not want coming out. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by CavySlaveJambo

[Maple Leaf]

2 hours ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

the more Trump denies collusion with Russia, especially with trying to demand the end of the investigation, to be the more I believe there is something there, that he does not want coming out. 

 

That's the general consensus with everybody except Trump fans.

 

And, by extension, if he had nothing to hide, he would be encouraging the investigation as it would prove his innocence.

 

But if you shout or tweet "Witch hunt" often enough, people will start to believe it.  Gullible people, that is.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

6 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

That's the general consensus with everybody except Trump fans.

 

And, by extension, if he had nothing to hide, he would be encouraging the investigation as it would prove his innocence.

 

But if you shout or tweet "Witch hunt" often enough, people will start to believe it.  Gullible people, that is.

 

"Fake News Media"

"Witch Hunt"

"No Collusion"

 

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” Joseph Goebbels.

 

[Maple Leaf]

3 hours ago, Barack said:

 

Goes back to the quote from Lincoln.

 

Shows how wrong he was, & how right Göebbels was.

 

Sure Trump would outpoll Hitler too. If they'd been around at the same time. Like he did with Lincoln...what's that...polling numbers weren't brought in until 1860...? Even then not the official scientific ones. That was 1936.

 

Then he's the most popular Republican President in Modern History...sorry, what's that...he's not? 

 

 

"A year and a half into his Presidency, George W. Bush had a 96% approval rating among the Republican party (July 2002). His approval took a huge leap after 9/11, giving him his highest rating among his own party through his two terms -- 98% in October 2001.

In July 1990, President George H.W. Bush received an 83% approval rating. Granted, that's lower than Trump's right now, but if we're going by highest achieved approval rating at this point in his presidency, he received 94% only months earlier in January."

 

 

And....

 

 

"President

Highest approval rating among Republicans through July 29 of second year

Donald Trump

90 percent

George W. Bush

99 percent

George H.W. Bush

94 percent

Ronald Reagan

92 percent

Gerald Ford

77 percent

Richard Nixon

90 percent

Dwight Eisenhower

92 percent

 

By this measure, Trump actually ties for the second-worst of any post-World War II Republican president, surpassing only Ford."

 

 

Good old Joseph...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Extracts courtesy of CNN (boo...hiss...etc!) & politifact.com.

 

Tied with Richard Nixon, a President who left office in disgrace, because impeachment was looming.

 

Nice work, Donald.

[Justin Z]

It's too bad the President cannot be sued for similar reasons.

 

Alex Jones's Attorneys Argue That No Reasonable Person Would Believe What He Says

 

Jones’s brand is built upon the idea that he’s a lone crusader against the mainstream media, telling his audience bold truths about a world that he claims lies to them constantly. . . . His influence grew after the election of Obama in 2008, as “patriot” groups and militias took hold around the country, and Jones’s theories and aesthetic found a much larger constituency. . . . Trump, during the 2016 presidential campaign, appeared on Infowars to gush to the host about his “amazing” reputation.

. . .

A motion to dismiss the suit filed by Jones’s attorney argues [that] "no reasonable reader or listener would interpret Mr. Jones’ statements regarding the possibility of a ‘blue-screen’ being used as a verifiably false statement of fact, and even if it is verifiable as false, the entire context in which it was made discloses that the statements are mere opinions 'masquerading as a fact.' "

 

Much more at the link. As ever, those outlets shouting "fake news" are the fake news, and I hope a little bit of comeuppance will finally result here.

[Sharpie]

Yesterday they listed the lies he has told, he makes statement that are just not true, picture id for shopping, he surrounded himself with people with questionable characters, he has admitted to behaviour the pussy grabbing that other men are being fired from their jobs, he is a lifetime racist, yet supplicant blacks attend campaign stops with Trump for Blacks placards, he is a philandering adulterer with even porn stars, yet there are women with signs stating Women for Trump. He is encouraging supporters to abuse the media, sure they have their faults but he cannot complain he has his sychophants like Hannity, Carlson and the other lesser knowns or watched. He treats the Presidency like a regular job, every weekend off to golf, except those where he is meeting such worthies as Putin and Kim, both of whom are still doing what he promised to stop. He and his acolytes conveniently forget promises he made, and go on that the Democrats are deliberately obstructing. The greatest example when did he or his minions mention Mexico paying for the Wall. When will there be attcks on his new proposed income tax bill that will offer billions to the rich.

 

Ask people the things that would stop them voting for a President and Trump would qualify in every one, he didn't win election he was seen by some as the better choice of the two candidates neither of whom a majority of voters probably wanted but you had to vote for someone, the decing process of election popular and College in some ways proves this.

Edited August 2, 2018 by bobsharp

[Jambo-Jimbo]

35 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

Yesterday they listed the lies he has told, he makes statement that are just not true, picture id for shopping, he surrounded himself with people with questionable characters, he has admitted to behaviour the pussy grabbing that other men are being fired from their jobs, he is a lifetime racist, yet supplicant blacks attend campaign stops with Trump for Blacks placards, he is a philandering adulterer with even porn stars, yet there are women with signs stating Women for Trump. He is encouraging supporters to abuse the media, sure they have their faults but he cannot complain he has his sychophants like Hannity, Carlson and the other lesser knowns or watched. He treats the Presidency like a regular job, every weekend off to golf, except those where he is meeting such worthies as Putin and Kim, both of whom are still doing what he promised to stop. He and his acolytes conveniently forget promises he made, and go on that the Democrats are deliberately obstructing. The greatest example when did he or his minions mention Mexico paying for the Wall. When will there be attcks on his new proposed income tax bill that will offer billions to the rich.

 

Ask people the things that would stop them voting for a President and Trump would qualify in every one, he didn't win election he was seen by some as the better choice of the two candidates neither of whom a majority of voters probably wanted but you had to vote for someone, the decing process of election popular and College in some ways proves this.

 

I wonder how many of the folks in this group still believe they made the right choice between voting for Trump instead of Clinton, and vice versa?

 

[Maple Leaf]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I wonder how many of the folks in this group still believe they made the right choice between voting for Trump instead of Clinton, and vice versa?

 

 

I don't know about the vice versa part, but the polls I've read suggest that most people who voted for Trump think he's doing a good job.  iirc, it's in the 80%-90% range.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

17 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I don't know about the vice versa part, but the polls I've read suggest that most people who voted for Trump think he's doing a good job.  iirc, it's in the 80%-90% range.

 

The group of people I was refering to were the middle voters so to speak, not Republican nor Democrats, but the 20% or so who are waiverers and voted for whom they thought was the better choice between Trump & Clinton, I would be shocked, genuinely shocked if 80%-90% of them thought he was doing a good job.

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The group of people I was refering to were the middle voters so to speak, not Republican nor Democrats, but the 20% or so who are waiverers and voted for whom they thought was the better choice between Trump & Clinton, I would be shocked, genuinely shocked if 80%-90% of them thought he was doing a good job.

 

Ah, gotcha.  I haven't seen any stats on those people.  

 

There's no doubt that many people decided to vote for Trump after Comey announced, in the last week of the election campaign, that he was re-opening the investigation of Clinton.  That announcement tipped the scales in Trump's favour.  I've read somewhere that a mere 70,000 votes in four key swing states decided who was going to be President ... 70k out of about 130 million! 

 

I wouldn't doubt that there is widespread 'buyer's remorse' among those people now that they've seen Trump in action, but who knows.

[jake]

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