Tommy Robinson

[shaun.lawson]

12 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Great, now look what you've all done

 

 

[ROCK LOBSTER]

1 minute ago, haveyouheard 22 said:

That wont happen at all sadly  well imho 

I agree, very similar to northern Ireland where paramilitaries ruled by fear.

[ri Alban]

Just now, ROCK LOBSTER said:

There lies the problem, people won't speak out because of political correctness, I don't agree with neo nazi rantings but if I speak out against muslim grooming gangs or child abuse in the Catholic church then I'm a racist and a bigot and this applies to the police, media and political parties.

I suppose it would depend on how you did it.   I'd be quite willing to classed a bigot to take on these people. 

Everyone is now aware of what's been going on, so we now send in the dogs on whoever is committing these crimes. 

[shaun.lawson]

12 minutes ago, ROCK LOBSTER said:

There lies the problem, people won't speak out because of political correctness, I don't agree with neo nazi rantings but if I speak out against muslim grooming gangs or child abuse in the Catholic church then I'm a racist and a bigot and this applies to the police, media and political parties.

 

A week or two back, Tommy Robinson made exactly the sort of claim you just have. At an impromptu rally outside the High Court in front of the media, he complained he had been 'silenced' (most people who have been silenced give such rallies: all perfectly normal) before being ushered off to a dinner in his honour at the House of Lords. Poor Tommy.  Such a man of the people.

 

Incidentally: my name is Shaun, and I don't agree with grooming gangs or child abuse. I'm waiting for all those awful politically correct folk to rush in and 'silence' me now. It can't be long, surely? 

Edited November 17, 2018 by shaun.lawson

[Sir Vladimir of Romanov]

54 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

High praise from someone like you. 

 

Someone like me, please do elaborate. 

[ROCK LOBSTER]

No political correctness here. Made some major **** ups back in the day but due to ignorance not malice and got them cast up many a time. And admit still have the odd outburst when we play Celtic 

[ROCK LOBSTER]

12 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

A week or two back, Tommy Robinson made exactly the sort of claim you just have. At an impromptu rally outside the High Court in front of the media, he complained he had been 'silenced' (most people who have been silenced give such rallies: all perfectly normal) before being ushered off to a dinner in his honour at the House of Lords. Poor Tommy.  Such a man of the people.

 

Incidentally: my name is Shaun, and I don't agree with grooming gangs or child abuse. I'm waiting for all those awful politically correct folk to rush in and 'silence' me now. It can't be long, surely? 

I would be more concerned if you did agree with grooming gangs and child abuse. 

[shaun.lawson]

10 minutes ago, ROCK LOBSTER said:

I would be more concerned if you did agree with grooming gangs and child abuse. 

 

Pro tip: literally nobody except grooming gangs or child abusers do.

[MacDonald Jardine]

54 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

 

However...

 

For many years, Hearts' approach to the sacrifice of McCrae's Battalion was exactly correct. Quiet, dignified, never ever turning it all into some awful points-scoring exercise.

 

In recent years, though, paralleling wider society's alarming US-style appropriation of the Great War for militaristic, tub-thumping reasons, Hearts have stopped behaving in such a dignified way. Instead, that sacrifice has been commercialised, apparently for the sole benefit of the club. When other fans - either of Hearts or other clubs - call attention to this, they have a point.

 

Such has been the extent of Hearts' behaviour in recent years, it should hardly come as some earth-shattering shock that far right racists, however relatively few, have attached themselves to the club. It's pretty much an inevitable consequence. If people are appalled by this (as most fully paid-up members of the human race hopefully are), the club should stop droning on and on about the war, and seeking to exploit what happened to those poor men at every turn.

Don't agree with this at all.

I think there has been a change in how sections of the support react to Remembrance.  The club's part in that has been negligible to non existent. 

Similarly small groups of the far right within the support has been a recurring issue for as long as I can remember. 

[i8hibsh]

2 hours ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said:

 

Someone like me, please do elaborate. 

 

Clearly a racist SVoR. Get with the times man.

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

Far right wing views aren't inclusive. That is why they are far right. 

 

If his views were inclusive, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

 

A wee bit naughty in his youth? Cast your mind back to a Griffiths debate we had. Don't think you thought that/ think that about him. 

 

 

 

 

 

No view on Earth is inclusive.

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Sorry seen this on Twitter had to post  

 

 

 

 

Have you had the Ronnie Corbett one yet? 

[jake]

2 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Pro tip: literally nobody except grooming gangs or child abusers do.

Pro tip.

But everybody turned a blind eye .

Everybody .

And allowed children to be abused on an industrial scale.

It's also worth remembering that these children were passed about and sold to other men from the same community.

 

It's always interesting the vitriol that Robinson evokes compared to the Crimes that he has highlighted.

 

As for leaving this to the authorities.

Don't make me laugh.

There are still men who have yet to be sentenced for widely know sexual trafficking and rape of children.

From over 30 years ago.

Wonder if Robinson was Pakistani complaining about white men grooming Pakistani children and raping and selling them how many would change their tune.

 

Pathetic doesn't cover it.

 

Anyway hello Shaun

Edited November 17, 2018 by jake

[Rudy T]

5 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

 

However...

 

For many years, Hearts' approach to the sacrifice of McCrae's Battalion was exactly correct. Quiet, dignified, never ever turning it all into some awful points-scoring exercise.

 

In recent years, though, paralleling wider society's alarming US-style appropriation of the Great War for militaristic, tub-thumping reasons, Hearts have stopped behaving in such a dignified way. Instead, that sacrifice has been commercialised, apparently for the sole benefit of the club. When other fans - either of Hearts or other clubs - call attention to this, they have a point.

 

Such has been the extent of Hearts' behaviour in recent years, it should hardly come as some earth-shattering shock that far right racists, however relatively few, have attached themselves to the club. It's pretty much an inevitable consequence. If people are appalled by this (as most fully paid-up members of the human race hopefully are), the club should stop droning on and on about the war, and seeking to exploit what happened to those poor men at every turn.

 

How would you know? You clearly read that on Hibs.net. It’s made up nonsense, what commercial gain have the club made? 

[Hearts Against Racism]

On 15/11/2018 at 22:43, Forever Hearts said:

Nah. It'll be full of leftie, hand wringing fascists telling us how much they hate fascism. Basically people who can't handle anybody having a different opinion from them. 

Obviously not the page for you then.  Only left wing hand wringing fascists allowed.  ?.    Clown. 

[jake]

37 minutes ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

Obviously not the page for you then.  Only left wing hand wringing fascists allowed.  ?.    Clown. 

Are you part of any anti racist organisations?

[Governor Tarkin]

7 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

 

 

?

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, Rudy T said:

 

How would you know? You clearly read that on Hibs.net. It’s made up nonsense, what commercial gain have the club made? 

 

He probably read it on another Hearts forum, mate.

[Governor Tarkin]

8 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Sorry seen this on Twitter had to post  

 

That's pretty good tbf. 

[Sir Vladimir of Romanov]

38 minutes ago, jake said:

Are you part of any anti racist organisations?

 

He is better that that, he has a twitter page to signal his virtue. 

 

? 

[MacDonald Jardine]

1 hour ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

Obviously not the page for you then.  Only left wing hand wringing fascists allowed.  ?.    Clown. 

Is the Hearts Lads and Lasses against Fascism Facebook page yours too?

Apparently MacCrae's Battallion were also fighting fascism

Talk about co- opting for political ends.

[Hearts Against Racism]

40 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

Is the Hearts Lads and Lasses against Fascism Facebook page yours too?

Apparently MacCrae's Battallion were also fighting fascism

Talk about co- opting for political ends.

Nope, different guy. 

[Hearts Against Racism]

50 minutes ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said:

 

He is better that that, he has a twitter page to signal his virtue. 

 

?

It's not about virtue signalling mate.  It's about empowering people to call out unacceptable behaviour.   I don't know about you, but it depresses me when fellow hearts fans sing about 'Jews and *******' when we have Jewish and Pakistani supporters.  

 

I'd rather be seen as a so called 'virtue signaller' than a apologist for racism. 

[MacDonald Jardine]

1 minute ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

It's not about virtue signalling mate.  It's about empowering people to call out unacceptable behaviour.   I don't know about you, but it depresses me when fellow hearts fans sing about 'Jews and *******' when we have Jewish and Pakistani supporters.  

 

I'd rather be seen as a so called 'virtue signaller' than a apologist for racism. 

It's a disgusting song but how often do you hear it?

The odd couple of folk in a pub is my experience.

[MacDonald Jardine]

8 minutes ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

Nope, different guy. 

Right. There isn't much on it.

[Hearts Against Racism]

7 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

It's a disgusting song but how often do you hear it?

The odd couple of folk in a pub is my experience.

Well, I can tell you I heard it on the concourse at Motherwell away. 

[Hearts Against Racism]

1 hour ago, jake said:

Are you part of any anti racist organisations?

I'm not a member of any official  organisations. Why do you ask? 

[Unknown user]

16 minutes ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

It's not about virtue signalling mate.  It's about empowering people to call out unacceptable behaviour.   I don't know about you, but it depresses me when fellow hearts fans sing about 'Jews and *******' when we have Jewish and Pakistani supporters.  

 

I'd rather be seen as a so called 'virtue signaller' than a apologist for racism. 

I don't really get the term virtue signalling as an insult anyway it seems a pretty weak thing to attack- being virtuous and daring to voice their opinion. 

I'd rather be accused of virtue signalling than the **** signalling we see more and more of on this site and beyond. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Smithee

[jake]

13 minutes ago, Hearts Against Racism said:

I'm not a member of any official  organisations. Why do you ask? 

Just your username .

 

But if you were I had a few questions.

 

 

[Inchgarvie]

10 hours ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

It's a disgusting song but how often do you hear it?

The odd couple of folk in a pub is my experience.

 

Thats ok then? Just a few daft laddies, so no problem?

 

[MacDonald Jardine]

1 hour ago, Inchgarvie said:

 

Thats ok then? Just a few daft laddies, so no problem?

 

Small problem. 

[haveyouheard 22]

If I have a few Jars in me I'll sing any Hearts song but dont live and breathe it,leave it in the ground or pub..I know thats a bit naughty but you are what you are 

[ri Alban]

On his way to meet up with his followers and attend a game. No doubt with a few FLA members. Great! 

[chuck berrys hairline]

On 17/11/2018 at 23:14, Hearts Against Racism said:

It's not about virtue signalling mate.  It's about empowering people to call out unacceptable behaviour.   I don't know about you, but it depresses me when fellow hearts fans sing about 'Jews and *******' when we have Jewish and Pakistani supporters.  

 

Highly doubt it ?

 

[ri Alban]

13 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said:

 

Doubt what? 

[i8hibsh]

20 hours ago, haveyouheard 22 said:

If I have a few Jars in me I'll sing any Hearts song but dont live and breathe it,leave it in the ground or pub..I know thats a bit naughty but you are what you are 

 

 

Absolutely no room for honesty on here get away with you. I probably have sang most in my younget days but nowadays just the 'good ones', although very rare for me to sing at all. Although, maybe I should belt a few out just to give certain people actual reason to call me racist instead of just falsely accusing and assuming because I see things differently and don't live on planet unicorn with generation snowflake.

Edited November 19, 2018 by i8hibsh

[fast_blood]

5 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Absolutely no room for honesty on here get away with you. I probably have sang most in my younget days but nowadays just the 'good ones', although very rare for me to sing at all. Although, maybe I should belt a few out just to give certain people actual reason to call me racist instead of just falsely accusing and assuming because I see things differently and don't live on planet unicorn with generation snowflake.

 

I don't know you at all, and I don't get offended very easily at all but I generally find that the folk that use the term "snowflake" are people who like to cause offence on purpose and use the word as  some sort of get out of jail free card. 

 

That's how you come across in the world of kickback. Who knows, you might be sound in real life. 

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, fast_blood said:

 

I don't know you at all, and I don't get offended very easily at all but I generally find that the folk that use the term "snowflake" are people who like to cause offence on purpose and use the word as  some sort of get out of jail free card. 

 

That's how you come across in the world of kickback. Who knows, you might be sound in real life. 

 

I am sound in real life, and I happen to think quite sound on here (or at least have my moments).

 

I can think of no better term than "snowflake" to sum up  many of the left.  Is there anything more delicate than a snowflake?

 

But if that is what you are taking issue with on this thread I'd be worried.  Calling someone a “snowflake” may irritate someone but it is not exactly a reputation damaging accusation.  A certain poster on here seems to think calling me a “racist scumbag” with not one shred of proof of any sort of racists belief or action is acceptable.

[fast_blood]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I am sound in real life, and I happen to think quite sound on here (or at least have my moments).

 

I can think of no better term than "snowflake" to sum up  many of the left.  Is there anything more delicate than a snowflake?

 

But if that is what you are taking issue with on this thread I'd be worried.  Calling someone a “snowflake” may irritate someone but it is not exactly a reputation damaging accusation.  A certain poster on here seems to think calling me a “racist scumbag” with not one shred of proof of any sort of racists belief or action is acceptable.

 

It's easy for someone to call you that if you agree with Tommy Robinson I guess!! His followers generally are of that ilk to be honest, like it or not. 

 

I don't agree with him. I noticed a few Facebook friends liking his page, which is entirely their choice but those friends are generally not the sharpest. 

 

I wouldn't want him near Tynecastle due to the idiots that would be attracted by his presence and the negative light it would bring on Hearts. Doesn't take much for the press, or other fans, to get our back. 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, fast_blood said:

 

It's easy for someone to call you that if you agree with Tommy Robinson I guess!! His followers generally are of that ilk to be honest, like it or not. 

 

I don't agree with him. I noticed a few Facebook friends liking his page, which is entirely their choice but those friends are generally not the sharpest. 

 

I wouldn't want him near Tynecastle due to the idiots that would be attracted by his presence and the negative light it would bring on Hearts. Doesn't take much for the press, or other fans, to get our back. 

 

 

But there is absolutely nothing racist about being against mass immigration, not wanting open borders and being against religion.  Not one country on the planet has open borders (forgive me if I am wrong here).  

[ri Alban]

8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

But there is absolutely nothing racist about being against mass immigration, not wanting open borders and being against religion.  Not one country on the planet has open borders (forgive me if I am wrong here).  

The UK does. But I'll dispute it's claim to be a nation. 

[i8hibsh]

Just now, ri Alban said:

The UK does. But I'll dispute it's claim to be a nation. 

 

 

External open borders?

[ri Alban]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

External open borders?

Still open with Ireland. 

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

External open borders?

San Marino Italy Vatican. 

 Monaco  France. 

[fast_blood]

12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

But there is absolutely nothing racist about being against mass immigration, not wanting open borders and being against religion.  Not one country on the planet has open borders (forgive me if I am wrong here).  

 

Maybe not individually however all 3 together could be construed in that manner. 

 

The issue is Tommy Robinson does not distance himself from the racist angle. He doesnt act in a responsible manner. He singles out Islam etc. 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, fast_blood said:

 

Maybe not individually however all 3 together could be construed in that manner. 

 

The issue is Tommy Robinson does not distance himself from the racist angle. He doesnt act in a responsible manner. He singles out Islam etc. 

 

 

By people who don't understand what racism is then yes probably.

[fast_blood]

12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

By people who don't understand what racism is then yes probably.

 

Agreed, you could argue that many people's understanding of the term "racism" is incorrect. 

 

Unfortunately though, most of Tommy Robinson's followers are lacking in the ability to think for themselves and don't have any understanding of anything other than hatred.

[luckyBatistuta]

On 17/11/2018 at 23:18, MacDonald Jardine said:

It's a disgusting song but how often do you hear it?

The odd couple of folk in a pub is my experience.

 

There was a numptie in front of us, who was probably about 30yr old and sang this almost the entire game at Murrayfield. 

[doctor jambo]

22 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

By people who don't understand what racism is then yes probably.

I suspect the people who don't understand what racism is, are the ones claiming that Robinson is not racist.

 

He clearly is.

 

 

 

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, fast_blood said:

 

Agreed, you could argue that many people's understanding of the term "racism" is incorrect. 

 

Unfortunately though, most of Tommy Robinson's followers are lacking in the ability to think for themselves and don't have any understanding of anything other than hatred.

 

I’ve not done a survey but I certainly agree TR has some unsavoury racists who follow him but I know many ‘decent’ people who agree with a lot TR says.  He is winning popularity as he is shooting form the hip which is rare (look no further than JKB).  The ‘I’ word is one so many are desperate to discuss but it is a taboo subject.   Wanting to know who is moving in next door and where your hard earned taxes are going to – there is absolutely nothing racist about this.  Being against Islam is not racist, if it were then I am a racist.  Quite frankly anyone in favour of the teaching of Islam is someone I’d give a wide berth to.