frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed it should, is it though? Levein said in November he had plans afoot to sign a striker, and didn’t. Maybe because we couldn't acquire anyone within our budget who would improve us? The January window has far fewer opportunities than the summer one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Even though I don't yet agree with it, I understand why people want a change.. But when you start making stuff up, simply to justify your view and promote the outcome you desire.. Your credibility and your opinion no longer has any value. The club, previous managers Neilson and Cathro have been on record many times as to how the relationship worked with levein as DOF, they'e. been on record as to how certain players were identified and signed. some of the manipulation of fact on here is pretty embarassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Well he signed Naismith.. Who is a striker.. But that load of shit aside.. He did want another.. But clearly none were available within our price range who would have improved the squad.. Unless your advocating just getting someone for the sake of it It was certainly exciting to see the Naismith deal concluded. Its been increasingly bizarre how Levein has used him however given we have been entirely lacking a cutting edge in the final 3rd of the park. Personally I'd go as far to say Levein has completely wasted the Naismith loan deal. Given he's been totally restricted by Levein's tactics the biggest plus of having a professional of Naismith's calibre in our squad is hopefully what the young guys have picked up from him with regards desire and work rate etc. It's pretty disappointing that his influence on the pitch has been so limited but I don't blame him one jot for that, he's been given no opportunity to form a partnership with Lafferty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: made up nonsense Just because you don’t know it doesn’t make it lies. Do you think Neilson wanted Swanson? Do you think Cathro had ever heard about of Leonard Sowah? I will hopefully find the articles where Neilson said he asked for a 6’2” midfielder and got Djoum,and where Cathro asked for a dead ball specialist and got Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: No the best thing could happen to Hibs is that CL gets a full transfer window to get the players in he wants to allow him to get back to pissing all over them again like he has done throughout his career. Despite what some on here would have you believe Hibs don't hate CL because he has a poor record against them. Yeah that’s why they want him to stay isn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Well he signed Naismith.. Who is a striker.. But that load of shit aside.. He did want another.. But clearly none were available within our price range who would have improved the squad.. Unless your advocating just getting someone for the sake of it Playing as a midfielder though. Not quite the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Naismith isn’t a striker and is way out our wage structure at £10k a week. Are Hibs paying Maclaren more than we can afford? We made £700k in January whilst freeing up 5 sets of wages. Maclaren is shite.. We chose Naismith over him.. Not a single poster on here who given the choice between those 2 would have chosen maclaren.. Not one.. And I still don't think its wrong.. What wrong is midfield isn't strong enough given the injuries to Davie and Djoum to support laff and Naismith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, frankblack said: Celtic worked because they went all out attack on us and left their defence wide open. Other teams are more defensive and try and counter attack you so those tactics don't work. Stop believing what you see in Championship Manager. We don't have the players to go on the front foot, and the time to get those players was last summer. Levein had one week of that window. Never been on championship manager thanks. I just go by what I know and what I see. Aberdeen pressed Hibs and hammered them. Do Rangers know how to defend? Do other pressing teams change when they play teams that are defensive or play long balls! The idea is to hound teams into giving you the ball back, that can be done in any game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Just because you don’t know it doesn’t make it lies. Do you think Neilson wanted Swanson? Do you think Cathro had ever heard about of Leonard Sowah? I will hopefully find the articles where Neilson said he asked for a 6’2” midfielder and got Djoum,and where Cathro asked for a dead ball specialist and got Martin. You are right to ask who exactly put forward player recommendations under the model, which was one of its flaws. However, there is no doubt in accountability now and Levein's track record in that regard is a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said: Where can I get a CL cuddly toy ? In losersville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, frankblack said: Maybe because we couldn't acquire anyone within our budget who would improve us? The January window has far fewer opportunities than the summer one. Everyone else did, were Flamberi and Maclaren our our wage structure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Hendricks said: I’m going to bookmark this post for when we are hearing all the usual platitudes having seen the season start but the window still open and us being miles away from having made the necessary signings! There is nothing surer than we will still be trying to secure numerous deals rather than learning from past mistakes and doing all (or the vast majority) of our business early. I’m quite sure Budge will already be thinking about how to best implement some marketing techniques designed to convince our fan base to part with their hard earned for ST’s again so I wouldn’t be worrying about that too much. I’d fully anticipate the usual promises about expectations, targets and exciting times ahead in an attempt to guilt trip those swithering. I think her legacy is at stake if she sticks with Levein and we sleep walk through another season and for her sake I hope she knows what she’s doing. Please explain how this contradicts my earlier statement that he has to get a significant improvement over the summer or be judged by October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Everyone else did, were Flamberi and Maclaren our our wage structure? The latter turned us down, and never heard of the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Everyone else did, were Flamberi and Maclaren our our wage structure? Obviously, if we signed Naismith. So what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: You are right to ask who exactly put forward player recommendations under the model, which was one of its flaws. However, there is no doubt in accountability now and Levein's track record in that regard is a good one. Are you sure? It was before but recently it’s been ok but over 60 players he’s responsible for in 4 years isn’t great. McLaughlin,Milinkovic(hardly plays him)Adao,Mitchell and Naismith have been a success. Callachan and Amankwaa not so much. Funny how there’s less gambles when it’s his team on the park though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, frankblack said: Please explain how this contradicts my earlier statement that he has to get a significant improvement over the summer or be judged by October? I wasn't responding to your "earlier statements"! I was responding to your assertion that Hearts will be organized and that they will already be making signings! We need a massive number of (quality) players especially given a number of our better players, with us on loans, will be returning to their parent club. I have absolutely no confidence that we will get the required work done before we start playing games again so will bring this back up given its your reason for Levein being given more time. You are suggesting ST sales are tied to the work that will be done before the season commences, we shall see! Edited March 14, 2018 by Hendricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: The latter turned us down, and never heard of the former. Kamberi sorry, it was the club that turned Hearts down as we didn’t offer the same as Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Obviously, if we signed Naismith. So what? Maclaren signed for Hibs after they outbid us, we had months to sign someone but failed miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolcross lad Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Even though I don't yet agree with it, I understand why people want a change.. But when you start making stuff up, simply to justify your view and promote the outcome you desire.. Your credibility and your opinion no longer has any value. The club, previous managers Neilson and Cathro have been on record many times as to how the relationship worked with levein as DOF, they'e. been on record as to how certain players were identified and signed. some of the manipulation of fact on here is pretty embarassing. If Levein was allowing a complete novice like Cathro to decide on 3 1/2 year contracts to duds then he should be shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hendricks said: I wasn't responding to your "earlier statements"! I was responding to your assertion that Hearst will be organized and that they will already be making signings! We need a massive number of (quality) players especially given a number of our better players, with us on loans, will be returning to their parent club. I have absolutely no confidence that we will get the required work done before we start playing games again so will bring this back up given its your reason for Levein being given more time. You are suggesting ST sales are tied to the work that will be done before the season commences, we shall see! I agree but still laughed as you misspelt Hearts before saying organised. We sold plenty Season tickets last season with Levein’s wee pal in charge, that might’ve had something to do with Berra/Lafferty and the new stand. We will need some good early signings to sell as many seasons tickets this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Maclaren is shite.. We chose Naismith over him.. Not a single poster on here who given the choice between those 2 would have chosen maclaren.. Not one.. And I still don't think its wrong.. What wrong is midfield isn't strong enough given the injuries to Davie and Djoum to support laff and Naismith He looked ok the other night to be honest. So what’s been the problem when Djoum and Milinkovic have played together? We’ve won 9 league games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadJock Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, tolcross lad said: If Levein was allowing a complete novice like Cathro to decide on 3 1/2 year contracts to duds then he should be shot. Thats a bit of an step up from shown the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Maclaren signed for Hibs after they outbid us, we had months to sign someone but failed miserably. So we sign any old players for the sake of it or try and get improvements? You are both criticising us for the signings we made and also for not signing players. Make your mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, amadjambo said: Actually, the vast majority of posters on here don’t regularly go to away games. And it’s our performances away from home that are causing the most problems. Oh right. Sorry Amadjambo. I missed the away games poll. Cheers. Edited March 14, 2018 by Ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolcross lad Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, MadJock said: Thats a bit of an step up from shown the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Yeah that’s why they want him to stay isn’t it? I don't know one hibby who is happy he is in our dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: So we sign any old players for the sake of it or try and get improvements? You are both criticising us for the signings we made and also for not signing players. Make your mind up. Yeah I feel it’s ok to criticise signing guys like Gryzelak and not signing Maclaren who would’ve been an asset, it wasn’t him or Naismith as we trying to get a striker right up until the window closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Maclaren signed for Hibs after they outbid us, we had months to sign someone but failed miserably. We didn't follow up our interest.. Because Naismith was available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I don't know one hibby who is happy he is in our dugout. I do. I don’t know these guys but they seem happy with him. Just because you don’t any means it’s all lies? https://twitter.com/edinburghsport/status/973885573667672064?s=21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: We didn't follow up our interest.. Because Naismith was available One is a striker, the other isn’t. We were after a striker since November and didn’t get one, we chased them right up until the end of Janiary so it wasn’t between Naismith or Maclaren we wanted both. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2063838/hibs-jamie-maclaren-hearts-sv-darmstadt/ Edited March 14, 2018 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Yeah I feel it’s ok to criticise signing guys like Gryzelak and not signing Maclaren who would’ve been an asset, it wasn’t him or Naismith as we trying to get a striker right up until the window closed. McLaren would have been an asset? Most Hibbies I know reckon the guy's a waste of space. A goal against us doesn't make him a world beater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ...a bit disco said: McLaren would have been an asset? Most Hibbies I know reckon the guy's a waste of space. A goal against us doesn't make him a world beater. Compared to the options of Lafferty and, eh nobody else yes and asset i would say. They way he made Berra and Souttar look like amateurs the other night when he hit the bar then scored would prove that. Can’t trust Hibs fans about football mate they’re not renowned for spotting a player are they? But if he’s crap why did Levein want him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazbo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: McLaren would have been an asset? Most Hibbies I know reckon the guy's a waste of space. A goal against us doesn't make him a world beater. Most hibbies I know are delighted with him and hope they can keep him and that kamberi for next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm not going to quote the vermin in PfK post but personally I'm more inclined to believe that the 'all out attack' on CL from vermin to try and create unrest are far better gauge of what they really want than short lived bravado from followers of the shite that he posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 14 hours ago, Greedy_Jambo said: Someone on radio Scotland said we are paying 8K a week for Naismith. Not facts but more reliable than jkb I would say. It isn't a big difference but I believe it is actually about £7.5k per week. I think his actual salary is around £37.5k per week, but Norwich are still shelling out the vast majority of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: I'm not going to quote the vermin in PfK post but personally I'm more inclined to believe that the 'all out attack' on CL from vermin to try and create unrest are far better gauge of what they really want than short lived bravado from followers of the shite that he posted What would make Hibs fans worry about Levein? What happened 15 years ago or 30? I’m pretty sure that going on this seasons efforts against them and in general they’re not lying awake at night worrying about Levein restoring Natural Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Not half bigging up Hibs at the expense of Hearts around here these days. A great time to be alive...or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PnG Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 He should go. Things playing out as i thought they would since he took over. Terrible football and terrible results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 13/03/2018 at 13:09, Matty said: Gets a summer window for me Yip in my mind. Pressure is on and if he ****s up there will be no excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocam2325 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Escobar PHM said: Of course. No brainer. To me supporting the club largely regardless of who is on the park or in charge off it is the no brainer. I struggled through Romanov years, hating the way our club was seen in the press and to the rest of the game. Cathro was brutal. I still went. I support Hearts and will continue to go and trust and hope that Levein wants the same as us supporters and hope he achieves it. Each to their own though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Gambo said: I hear what you are saying, I think all Hearts fans hope Levein can change if left in charge but I would ask if there is anything you have seen on the pitch or in signings in the last 7months that gives you/us a glimour of hope that he will change? The one game change was forced upon him we beat Celtic.......nothing was learned. You say you voted stay as it would cost us to get rid, I would ask if it will cost us to keep him. Sorry for the delay in replying Gambo, been involved in something else on the internet trying to track down names of former members of PHSC. If I'm honest I've not got any real, if any, confidence that Craig Levein is likely to change the way we play to any real extent. My only thoughts were really set on hope I think, and the thought of not having to make a pay off if it wasn't necessary. It is when you happen to be present at a game like the one against Celtic, and see what your team can do, and how the fans react, that you just get a great hope that things will expand on something like that. But I agree with you totally, it does seem to have been a one off. i don't want to go down the route that some have gone down, i.e. that we didn't really play well, for me it was more a case of we really did play well, and in the process made Celtic look shit. However, it does look as if will have to be forgotten as a one off with, as you say, absolutely nothing learned from that game. The one thing i would add is that if Levein was to leave I wouldn't have a clue who we could or would get in as his replacement. I'm probably more worried that if he were to admit it just wasn't working out for him and he was offered the chance to just go back upstairs that he would then look to replace himself with Jon Daly. I have absolutely nothing against Jon but if we were to replace Craig it has to be with an experienced coach, who can bring out the best in what we have, get them fully believing in themselves while playing more on the front foot. While I will sign up for my ST for next season again I'm not so sure that all those who presently hold ST's will do so. And to get the maximum from the stadium, including the increased facilities within the new main stand (whenever they become available) we actually need to be attracting additional fans in. And the only way to do that is with something on the park that people, outwith the core, who will turn up in both good times and bad, feel is worth shelling out money to come along and watch. At the moment we are a good bit away from that although may have the core of players, if not the manager, to make it work. Edited March 14, 2018 by portobellojambo1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Oliver Twist said: Where can I get a CL cuddly toy ? Get me one too please while you're there. Cash waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Even though I don't yet agree with it, I understand why people want a change.. But when you start making stuff up, simply to justify your view and promote the outcome you desire.. Your credibility and your opinion no longer has any value. The club, previous managers Neilson and Cathro have been on record many times as to how the relationship worked with levein as DOF, they'e. been on record as to how certain players were identified and signed. some of the manipulation of fact on here is pretty embarassing. I know what I read and what I’ve said reflects that. If the DoF has little to do with signings he’s not doing his job, which is to take pressure of the young head coach and let them get on wit training the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, frankblack said: We were bottom of the form table from Cathro's time. Our momentum was on a downhill trajectory with a manager completely lost, whereas Killie were rebuilding. I get fed up pointing out facts to you and your bitter chums. Injuries, no home games until the end of the year, and reduced budget due to the stand are significant. However, it's much more convenient for you to blame Levein. Absolutely this! Just wasting your time and energy mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, PnG said: He should go. Things playing out as i thought they would since he took over. Terrible football and terrible results. Thankfully you are in a minority of Hearts fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, BigDave'sHeed said: Surely supporting the club through thick and thin, not acting like a wee bitch and not having a personal agenda against one of their longest serving staff is part of a fans remit? Sorry, that is being a Hearts fan. No point using that against some of the roasters on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eusabio Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 There is no doubt in my mind that Craig was a great player who, but for injuries could have played in any league in the world , however great players are not usually great managers and Craig is a mediocre manager. Imo he is Scotland's Tony Pullis/Sam Allerdyce/Alan Pardew/Mark Hughes, guys who will keep you in the top league, but barring a really good lucky run will not win anything. The difference between Craig and these other guys is that they usually get moved on at the end of the season. I am at a loss to understand the number of posters who will not hear a word of criticism against him when every other manager on the planet no matter how good they may be gets some criticism at some time or another. Those who do not support him are told not to criticise our own, but if he is performing poorly he or anyone else deserves to be criticised, and Ian Cathro certainly got his share. If Craig is still in post this time next year, I think that we will be in exactly the same position leaguewise , somewhere between 5th and 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Meh Edited March 14, 2018 by Ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, XB52 said: Thankfully you are in a minority of Hearts fans You heard the booing at Motherwell ? That wasn't a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: They weren’t managers though, they’re title was Head Coach with responsibility for the team they had. Neilson and Cathro both indicated they asked for a certain type of player and Murray/Levein chose them. So when Levein tells us Cathro picked the players he signed that was a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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