Spencer Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, redm said: Why look at other teams over 29/30 and insist on looking at our record over 50 when it doesn’t reflect Levein’s tenure as manager - the subject of this thread? That’s not a fair comparison. We’ve won 9 in 30. Which is absolutely horrendous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Am I missing out on a PM circle or summat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, redm said: Why look at other teams over 29/30 and insist on looking at our record over 50 when it doesn’t reflect Levein’s tenure as manager - the subject of this thread? That’s not a fair comparison. We’ve won 9 in 30. Not the best defense for Craig, I'll be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Ryder said: I’ve obviously caught you in a bit of a bad mood. Disappointed at the replies. I’ll just leave you to it mate. ? Cheers mate. Take it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, deejtee said: He has had to play too many youngsters too early. It was his decision to play Henderson at Ibrox and start Moore - who hadnt had a look in for weeks - at Easter rd, when he didn't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Beats said: In my opinion Stockton would have done more of a job than Henderson at this stage. Henderson has the excuse of being young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Henderson has the excuse of being young. That's not the point I was making Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ministry said: When it boils down to it the only stat that matters is points on the board. Regardless of whether the points are made up of x amount of draws, or away wins etc. Point totals matter most if you’re discussing league placing but this discussion is more forensic than that so I thought it was also important to look at where we’ve lost or dropped points. Especially when there’s also parallel themes of injury, unsettled squad, youth/inexperience etc. The number of draws is significant I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Beats said: That's not the point I was making Dave. What was the point then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Spencer said: Which is absolutely horrendous It’s not great, no. It’s not quite the end of the world either though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, redm said: Point totals matter most if you’re discussing league placing but this discussion is more forensic than that so I thought it was also important to look at where we’ve lost or dropped points. Especially when there’s also parallel themes of injury, unsettled squad, youth/inexperience etc. The number of draws is significant I think. As I said to you yesterday. You play to the strengths you have. One midfielder on the park against Hibs when Cochrane went off isn't playing to your strengths! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: What was the point then? Why let Stockton leave? He is clearly a better option than Henderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: But again, you have no proof that he had anything to do with the signings...so surely for arguments sake, it will be a list of players that you know for certain that Levein signed He cannot be held accountable for signings that other people made - otherwise we might as well start holding Billy the boot cleaner accountable too. His job was branched into different aspects of the club and transfer policies will not have been one of them. He may well of seen who we wanted to sign, but given the fact he wasn't the manager, he cannot be held responsible Levein has been a scapegoat for too long on things. A lot of fans have been hoping he messes up ever since he took over. First of all Neilson and Cathro werent Managers. Both are on record as saying they asked for certain styles of players and the DoF (whose job is most certainly to do with transfers amongst other things) went and got them. Neilson asked for a 6’2” midfielder and got Djoum, Cathro asked for a dead ball specialist and got Martin. Do you think Neilson wanted Swanson or Novak because he certainly never played them. Out of Leveins permanent signings since becoming manager this season McLaughlin is a success, Callachan not great and Amankwaa it’s hard to say. I would imagine there will be less gambles like Gryzelak and more sure things like Lafferty now he’s responsible for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, redm said: It’s not great, no. It’s not quite the end of the world either though. Given the teams we have played it's awful. Just not sure we will move forward in the summer and could be sitting somewhere similar this time next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Beats said: Not the best defense for Craig, I'll be honest. In a season with first umpteen games played away from home and a makeshift squad, part of me thinks it could’ve all been worse tbh, regardless of who was in the dugout. I didn’t expect much from this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Ryder said: Not making any assumptions at all about how much money you put in. As you rightly point out, it’s none of my business. I’m sure you do what you can and that’s all any real fan does. I was just curious as to how you felt you could speak with such authority about what season ticket holders would vote... seeing as how the majority who voted in this poll probably are season ticket holders. As I said its my personal opinion. As you say most who have voted on the poll are likely to be ST holders so given the current % I am of the opinion that if reflective you are looking at 3500 plus supporters that would likely want to see a change in the Head Coach hotseat. I can also speak of my own experience with friends and family, all of who are massively loyal and longtime ST holders and virtually all of whom are increasingly pissed off given the phenomenal backing they have given the club. Some can't afford to have done what they have for Hearts and frankly I think they are completely mad to be continually dragging themselves around Scotland in shite conditions to watch the garbage that they and our away support are subjected. In my younger days I traveled everywhere watching varying degrees of Hearts sides in terms of how good or bad we were so I get it but wild horses couldn't drag me to anytime but big away games under the current regime. These are the type of people who when you hear them considering their options you know that mass discontent isn't far behind and in my opinion that should be concerning to Budge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beats said: Why let Stockton leave? He is clearly a better option than Henderson. They thought they were signing a striker but it fell thru at the last minute isthe general consensus. I don’t think we miss Stockton at all anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Beats said: Why let Stockton leave? He is clearly a better option than Henderson. Begs the question if the squad was stripped back to the bone in January out of financial necessity Naismith is probably costing us £500k for 6 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol1874 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Have to say I’m surprised that 3/4 of Hearts fans would vote to have CL in place next season. Our football is boring, really, really boring and our away form/performance is nothing short of disgraceful. Had CL come in from somewhere else after Cathro, I’d be minded to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the simple facts of the matter are that he is the ultimate architect of the situation we find ourselves in. I hope to be proved completely wrong if he stays, but at this time my vote goes to removing him and those coaches involved at first team level. Edited March 13, 2018 by Pistol1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 In the stay camp BUT we need a good start to 2018/19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, redm said: In a season with first umpteen games played away from home and a makeshift squad, part of me thinks it could’ve all been worse tbh, regardless of who was in the dugout. I didn’t expect much from this season. Worse?? Really? It's been horrendous. Look at the quality we have in the squad. From the best keeper in Scotland to a front 2 of Lafferty and Goncalves and then Naismith. We have badly unperformed and it's mostly to do with tactics. Look at how we played against Celtic. We have it in us and Levein hasn't done the business. The attitude on here is unreal. Just accept it eh.**** sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Spencer said: Given the teams we have played it's awful. Just not sure we will move forward in the summer and could be sitting somewhere similar this time next year What do you mean? “Given the teams we have played?” The rest of the league? Aberdeen have a good settled squad that they’ve been patiently building over last few years, Lennon is doing well at Hibs whether we choose to acknowledge it or not and god knows what’s happening at Killie but their own fans don’t believe it’ll last so let’s hope it’s just a flash in the pan. Aberdeen and Hibs are in a different place than we are but there’s no reason to think we’ll get back to competing again once we sort the squad out. Ideally this summer. You see people asking why we’re not reaching 3rd like we did when we came up from the Championship but nobody mentions the teams we didn’t play that season ie Rangers and Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: okay I agree that it is slightly comical that Partick have a better scoring record recently because they have one of our players playing...that is quite funny We probably could do better - but in terms of getting a settled team and a team that is comfortable playing in a team with each other - we need continuity We cant keep chopping and changing things drastically when it gets tough or goes wrong. Folk are forgetting that Levein has done some pretty amazing things with this team this season...and I wont label them as "freak" or lucky results. I genuinely think games like the Celtic game showed us what Levein is capable with a comfortable, full and injury free team The team that beat Celtic was patched up with no Djoum, Hughes or Souttar. He showed in that gme that the tactics and formation used works but will only use it against them. For example Hibs worst result this season was against Aberdeen who pressed them the whole game. Even Cathro beat Rangers playing this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: They thought they were signing a striker but it fell thru at the last minute isthe general consensus. I don’t think we miss Stockton at all anyway. So we let someone go on the assumption we have someone else in the bag? More piss poor management then. Come on Dave you make sure you have the other player signed before getting shot of the one he is replacing. That's basic is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hendricks said: As I said its my personal opinion. As you say most who have voted on the poll are likely to be ST holders so given the current % I am of the opinion that if reflective you are looking at 3500 plus supporters that would likely want to see a change in the Head Coach hotseat. I can also speak of my own experience with friends and family, all of who are massively loyal and longtime ST holders and virtually all of whom are increasingly pissed off given the phenomenal backing they have given the club. Some can't afford to have done what they have for Hearts and frankly I think they are completely mad to be continually dragging themselves around Scotland in shite conditions to watch the garbage that they and our away support are subjected. In my younger days I traveled everywhere watching varying degrees of Hearts sides in terms of how good or bad we were so I get it but wild horses couldn't drag me to anytime but big away games under the current regime. These are the type of people who when you hear them considering their options you know that mass discontent isn't far behind and in my opinion that should be concerning to Budge. That’s great that you used to go to lots of games. When I was younger I used to as well. Nowadays a season ticket and a handful of away games is my limit. I have a young family and they come way before Hearts. Genuinely wouldn’t insult anyone for not making Hearts their priority over more important things in life. When we have another kid, I’ll probably have to give up my season ticket for a few seasons. That’s just the way it goes. I’ve had a s/t for over a decade in a row, and then some years I went home and away a lot, and further back runs of season tickets and picking and choosing. I am friends with s/t holders from a lot of different ages, and a quick calculation in my head would make 75% in favour just about right in my mind. As for the 3500 bit... that still leaves 10500 who are happy to let Levein get on with the job, so I don’t think she’ll be massively concerned atm. All imo of course. Edited March 13, 2018 by Ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Decision should be made at end of season. IMO the decision will be for him to go. I truly hope I'm wrong and the remainder of the season sees us greatly improved on the park and moved up the table. Unfortunately I can't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, redm said: Why look at other teams over 29/30 and insist on looking at our record over 50 when it doesn’t reflect Levein’s tenure as manager - the subject of this thread? That’s not a fair comparison. We’ve won 9 in 30. You want me to look at the rest of the top 6 last 50 games?? Lol, I'm sure the would reflect even worse on our abysmal efforts. But ok, as you pointed out we've won 9 in 30 or your bud Levein's stat, he's won 8 in 26.....really something to be proud of when you put it like that. I'd actually love to a FACTUAL stat that you would find unacceptable!!! I seem to remember you calling for more time in the Autumn of 2017 and again earlier this year and again when Levein was appointed and again in January. Hilarious stuff, mañana manana mañana!!! When will it end....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Beats said: Worse?? Really? It's been horrendous. Look at the quality we have in the squad. From the best keeper in Scotland to a front 2 of Lafferty and Goncalves and then Naismith. We have badly unperformed and it's mostly to do with tactics. Look at how we played against Celtic. We have it in us and Levein hasn't done the business. The attitude on here is unreal. Just accept it eh.**** sake. Far from it. I have much higher expectations for next season. Takes time to build these things. I’m not going anywhere so I can live with a failed experiment and a cruddy season. We are now building a side with quality throughout so it’ll be interesting to see where it goes. Also, I’m less fussed about the entertainment value of the football than I am about putting together a team that can win and perform consistently. Entertainment would be a bonus of course but last time I remember being properly entertained it was Burley era (we can’t really count Championship) so I’m not keen on setting myself up for predictable disappointment on that front either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ministry said: Doesn't go to games type post IMO. Tricky to go to games regularly from 3500 miles away but bash away if that makes me less of a supporter! Personally I'd suggest my over 900 games over the last 30+ years were more relevant but hey ho if thats what you get your kicks out of! Certainly over the last couple of seasons its the missing the social aspect of watching Hearts live that has been the hard part, certainly not the shite on the park. I feel for everyone of a Hearts persuasion who was at Fir Park and Easter Road recently, diabolical that's what our support are being put through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Beats said: So we let someone go on the assumption we have someone else in the bag? More piss poor management then. Come on Dave you make sure you have the other player signed before getting shot of the one he is replacing. That's basic is it not? Not if you need to free up money to make dealls hsppen. Try that approach nuying and selling your house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, redm said: Far from it. I have much higher expectations for next season. Takes time to build these things. I’m not going anywhere so I can live with a failed experiment and a cruddy season. We are now building a side with quality throughout so it’ll be interesting to see where it goes. Also, I’m less fussed about the entertainment value of the football than I am about putting together a team that can win and perform consistently. Entertainment would be a bonus of course but last time I remember being properly entertained it was Burley era (we can’t really count Championship) so I’m not keen on setting myself up for predictable disappointment on that front either. What quality do you know we will have next season? The keeper looks like he is gone. Mitchell will more than likely not be back. Adao? Naismith? The same as Mitchell. Sure I read we have 12 players signed up for next season. Sammon and Liam Smith are out on loan and are shite anyway. Djoum is injured. So where is this quality squad we are building? The squad that came out the championship would piss all over this lot we have just now. Jefferies squad was exciting with Temps flying and Kyle bullying defences. That was an exciting team for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hendricks said: You want me to look at the rest of the top 6 last 50 games?? Lol, I'm sure the would reflect even worse on our abysmal efforts. But ok, as you pointed out we've won 9 in 30 or your bud Levein's stat, he's won 8 in 26.....really something to be proud of when you put it like that. I'd actually love to a FACTUAL stat that you would find unacceptable!!! I seem to remember you calling for more time in the Autumn of 2017 and again earlier this year and again when Levein was appointed and again in January. Hilarious stuff, mañana manana mañana!!! When will it end....... Why 50 games when a good chunk aren’t Levein’s? I think that’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask when we’re talking stats. You tried to compare a stat out of 50 for us and stats just from this season for everyone else. It didn’t make any sense. I don’t know why you’re getting shirty either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, davemclaren said: Not if you need to free up money to make dealls hsppen. Try that approach nuying and selling your house. You are lucky if Stockton was on a grand a week. Letting him go was nothing to do with freeing up cash. As I said piss poor management yet again and you want him to get another window to sort this out? Baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Looks about right, tbh. The goers shout their mouths off a lot more than the stayers on here. But I bet a lot of us stayers would have voted for a "meh doesn't matter as he'll be here anyway" option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Beats said: You are lucky if Stockton was on a grand a week. Letting him go was nothing to do with freeing up cash. As I said piss poor management yet again and you want him to get another window to sort this out? Baffling. I have no idea how much Stockton was on, but I don’t miss him at all I would imagine Levein has a budget to witk within like every other manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, Spencer said: Begs the question if the squad was stripped back to the bone in January out of financial necessity Naismith is probably costing us £500k for 6 months So in other words you don't know and made up a figure to suit your agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, davemclaren said: I have no idea how much Stockton was on, but I don’t miss him at all I would imagine Levein has a budget to witk within like every other manager. He would have been on peanuts. Stockton would have been a better option than Henderson that's for sure. Not a slur against him but he clearly isn't ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I have no idea how much Stockton was on, but I don’t miss him at all I would imagine Levein has a budget to witk within like every other manager. Stockton never looked like scoring and a club came in to take him off the books without us having to pay him off. It would have been better if we had a replacement but we have been burned before signing unproven players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, redm said: Far from it. I have much higher expectations for next season. Takes time to build these things. I’m not going anywhere so I can live with a failed experiment and a cruddy season. We are now building a side with quality throughout so it’ll be interesting to see where it goes. Also, I’m less fussed about the entertainment value of the football than I am about putting together a team that can win and perform consistently. Entertainment would be a bonus of course but last time I remember being properly entertained it was Burley era (we can’t really count Championship) so I’m not keen on setting myself up for predictable disappointment on that front either. What side is being built? Out with Berra and Lafferty and the young lads (most of whom are playing too much too soon) any of the players we would want to keep are loans? The keeper, our most consistent performer beside the Captain is highly likely gone. Mitchell likely gone. Naismith likely gone. The experience of Hughes, past his best though he is, gone? Milinkovic and Adao? And thats without us possibly seeing bids for Souttar. So what exactly are we "building"? Back to the likes of Cowie Smith and Bauben, haud me back? No keeper, no left back, short of central defenders, still the mass issues in midfield both attacking and defensive and one senior striker in Lafferty!!! Its so far from being a "quality" side never mind squad its staggering. We need about a dozen players and if all the loans go we need most of them to be of that standard given how short we are now. Its completely pie in the sky to say anything is being built and its mind blowing that fans actually believe that and are going with that as their party line. After a brutal season we are back to square one in a couple of months time! Edited March 14, 2018 by Hendricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Big Slim Stylee said: Looks about right, tbh. The goers shout their mouths off a lot more than the stayers on here. But I bet a lot of us stayers would have voted for a "meh doesn't matter as he'll be here anyway" option. It is largely the same handful of "characters" from the other thread, copying and pasting their previous posts over here. At the end of the day the board won't give a toss what people post over here - they won't read it. Someday they will realise they are wasting their time and energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Beats said: He would have been on peanuts. Stockton would have been a better option than Henderson that's for sure. Not a slur against him but he clearly isn't ready. Stockton would not have moved here from England for peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, frankblack said: So in other words you don't know and made up a figure to suit your agenda. My "agenda" Okay bud. He will be costing us nothing of the sort. Norwich only paid £8.5M for him and reputedly paying him in the region of £50k pw. That's me put well in my place by another apologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, frankblack said: Stockton would not have moved here from England for peanuts. He moved from a non league club in England and has since moved to Carlisle I think? He would have been on a grand a week at most. He was pretty shite no denying that but my point to Dave was we should have kept him as he is a better option than Henderson at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Spencer said: My "agenda" Okay bud. He will be costing us nothing of the sort. Norwich only paid £8.5M for him and reputedly paying him in the region of £50k pw. That's me put well in my place by another apologist You are still making up figures and making a fool of yourself again. Unless you know the terms of his deal, which I expect is confidential, you are making unqualified guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, redm said: Why 50 games when a good chunk aren’t Levein’s? I think that’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask when we’re talking stats. You tried to compare a stat out of 50 for us and stats just from this season for everyone else. It didn’t make any sense. I don’t know why you’re getting shirty either. You think we all just started watching when Levein took over (aye right!) 26 games ago. The point I was making using a very round number (i.e. 50!!) is that this spiral we are in and being subjected to isn't a new one. In short Levein is changing **** all. The Hearts support is being made to look like complete mugs and many are happy to accept that and say more time needed. You don't think its unacceptable that we've won 14 games in the SPL in 50 matches? You certainly seem to think its acceptable ("because we've had 12 draws") to have won 9 in 30 this! Your prerogative but save us the "building a team" chat which is palpably nonsense as the regime move the goalposts and the grand old 5 year plans etc. By the way another reason for using 50 games was to compare the fact Hibs have won 14 SPL games this season whilst its taken us those 50 games to achieve that same total! Indefensible and Levein has been overseeing everything football at Hearts throughout it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, Spencer said: Begs the question if the squad was stripped back to the bone in January out of financial necessity Naismith is probably costing us £500k for 6 months £10,000 a week for 12 weeks mate, started well but has faded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Beats said: He moved from a non league club in England and has since moved to Carlisle I think? He would have been on a grand a week at most. He was pretty shite no denying that but my point to Dave was we should have kept him as he is a better option than Henderson at this time. Ideally we would have had a replacement but I think we gambled we could find one after getting him off the books. People would have complained about having another dud signing for another couple of years otherwise. Club is damned either way by people on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Ideally we would have had a replacement but I think we gambled we could find one after getting him off the books. People would have complained about having another dud signing for another couple of years otherwise. Club is damned either way by people on here. I don't think getting him off the books hindered us financially getting anyone else in to be honest. I take your point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden Gorgie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) We are approaching a crossroads, yes. I was willing to write this season off months ago because despite our half decent run we still looked vulnerable. But he has to get it right over the summer and early next season. I have a feeling he will though, so stay for me Edited March 14, 2018 by Maiden Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: £10,000 a week for 12 weeks mate, started well but has faded. Around 20% of his wedge presumably No loan fee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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