cuddledoon Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: My expectations are that this club should be competing for 3rd spot in the league with a decent cup run or two. I recognise that we are pretty far removed from that but I have also seen this manager turn things around in one close season before. I am prepared to give him that. Well you have either changed your tune, matured, or are a hypocrite - because I well remember the abuse and criticism you gave Levein when he lost 6 goals at Motherwell and was turning things around then. Although you had little faith or confidence in him then, we finished third in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 We have won ONE league game more than Hamilton and Dundee, two clubs that have been fighting relegation all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Eazy-me said: Leveins turned us around since cathro but 1 loss isnt the end of the world Haha haha. The football is every bit as bad this season as it was last...and CL has had the benefit of Berra, Lafferty and Naismith. The axe has to fall before the end of the season to allow us to build again for August.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Leveins brand of football will never succeed in this league. Not that he has the players to execute his plans anyway.The problem is he cannot change his style and adapt to what is going on around him. All I see is a bunch of players running around like headless chickens, not really knowing what they're supposed to be doing, and, as a result, getting over run by very average teams at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 No difference from the last time he was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, innerjambo said: Leveins brand of football will never succeed in this league. Not that he has the players to execute his plans anyway.The problem is he cannot change his style and adapt to what is going on around him. All I see is a bunch of players running around like headless chickens, not really knowing what they're supposed to be doing, and, as a result, getting over run by very average teams at best. I think they are awash with instructions about 'shape' from tactics guru MacPhee. No spark, nothing off the cuff. Constant tinkering with the team in order to combat overanalysed opposition strengths or frailties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, amadjambo said: Surely he didn’t say he was pleased with the performance. Probably was. No shots on target, slower than a snail & letting the oppo have the ball virtually unhindered. The Craig Levein way. The guys 'tactics' are fecking laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Out Attack Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Coco said: I think they are awash with instructions about 'shape' from tactics guru MacPhee. No spark, nothing off the cuff. Constant tinkering with the team in order to combat overanalysed opposition strengths or frailties. I was thinking something similar regarding MacPhee and I'm not really sure the in depth analysis is doing us any favours. I have anyways believed in playing to your own strengths and not worring too much about the opposition. If and when Levein goes, I suspect all the coaching staff underneath him will go too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, cuddledoon said: Well you have either changed your tune, matured, or are a hypocrite - because I well remember the abuse and criticism you gave Levein when he lost 6 goals at Motherwell and was turning things around then. Although you had little faith or confidence in him then, we finished third in the league. I remember that night and I apologised for it a few weeks later. That was the night of David Dunn, IIRC. Never to be heard from again. Good to see someone from ye olde Kickback. Who were you then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie1980 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, innerjambo said: Leveins brand of football will never succeed in this league. Levein has been a success in this league, with two different clubs previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, davie1980 said: Levein has been a success in this league, with two different clubs previously. Which is a valid point and one that much be acknowledged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, davie1980 said: Levein has been a success in this league, with two different clubs previously. Depends how you measure success. Solely on league position? Cup performances? Euro qualifications? Apart from taking Utd to a LC final I can’t recall another significant cup run he’s had in his managerial career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Nelly Terraces said: Probably was. No shots on target, slower than a snail & letting the oppo have the ball virtually unhindered. The Craig Levein way. The guys 'tactics' are fecking laughable. Agree,more tears though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, amadjambo said: Depends how you measure success. Solely on league position? Cup performances? Euro qualifications? Apart from taking Utd to a LC final I can’t recall another significant cup run he’s had in his managerial career. 53 years of age. Involved in football for 35 years and won absolutely nowt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie1980 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, amadjambo said: Depends how you measure success. Solely on league position? Cup performances? Euro qualifications? Apart from taking Utd to a LC final I can’t recall another significant cup run he’s had in his managerial career. League position? Cup performances? Euro qualification? He ticks 2 out of 3 boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, davie1980 said: League position? Cup performances? Euro qualification? He ticks 2 out of 3 boxes. I wasn’t suggesting a tick box checklist. For me it’s all about League position and cup success. He ticks one, many years ago, and certainly isn’t ticking it right now. The other, he’s achieved zilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, amadjambo said: Depends how you measure success. Solely on league position? Cup performances? Euro qualifications? Apart from taking Utd to a LC final I can’t recall another significant cup run he’s had in his managerial career. Quite an obtuse and churlish guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world_3 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 All we need now is some arsehole to trawl through all the posts from two or three months ago praising Levein, then repost them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The fact he thinks we played well is very worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I’ve watched Hearts get dominated for long spells in matches against teams like Ross County. It’s just not good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 hours ago, world_3 said: All we need now is some arsehole to trawl through all the posts from two or three months ago praising Levein, then repost them all... Ha, is very tempting to drag out the threads where people were DEMANDING apologies from anyone who dared to criticise Levein for our form earlier in the season. But things change in football, and so do people’s beliefs, so not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Spencer said: 53 years of age. Involved in football for 35 years and won absolutely nowt Unless you have an old firm conection, it’s probably unlikely you have many medals (if any) It isn’t really a true indicator of talent imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Spencer said: 53 years of age. Involved in football for 35 years and won absolutely nowt What a terrible post. So very very Hibs. ‘Show us yer medals Craig’... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Spencer said: 53 years of age. Involved in football for 35 years and won absolutely nowt Ooft, getting put out the cup by the famous seriously hurt you mob didn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadJock Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said: Unless you have an old firm conection, it’s probably unlikely you have many medals (if any) It isn’t really a true indicator of talent imo The post was not about talent though it was about success, which as someone has already said everyone measures diffrently. If getting a team to a final or into europe a decade ago is how folks are judging him then fine (lots of managers have done that though), me i am judging him on this season and its been shocking. I do not care about his past record with us or with Dundee Utd, i care that with the resouces he has at his disposal (the FoH donate more money to this club than some of the lessers clubs we have drawn with have to run there club) we are going backwards. Reguardless of who's actual fault you think it is, players, coaches or managers, CL is still the DoF - his job is to oversee ALL footballing matters so he has to take a HUGE part of the blame for this mess. He never learns, he is way to arrogant for that, the lets bring our next head coach up through the ranks is still HIS (and therefore AB's) vision / experiment and I reaslly don't think thats going to be a success and more than the lets give the job to my friend IC experiment was. As football fans we all like our History, but letting someone stay in a job (which they didn't want) for another year because they were "succssesful" in getting us to europe a while back. Oh and to the folks who say he has turned it around after Cathro, most of the posters on this board could have did that, its not a measure of hos great a manager CL is because cathro was so bad anyone was an improvement. MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, MadJock said: The post was not about talent though it was about success, which as someone has already said everyone measures diffrently. If getting a team to a final or into europe a decade ago is how folks are judging him then fine (lots of managers have done that though), me i am judging him on this season and its been shocking. I do not care about his past record with us or with Dundee Utd, i care that with the resouces he has at his disposal (the FoH donate more money to this club than some of the lessers clubs we have drawn with have to run there club) we are going backwards. Reguardless of who's actual fault you think it is, players, coaches or managers, CL is still the DoF - his job is to oversee ALL footballing matters so he has to take a HUGE part of the blame for this mess. He never learns, he is way to arrogant for that, the lets bring our next head coach up through the ranks is still HIS (and therefore AB's) vision / experiment and I reaslly don't think thats going to be a success and more than the lets give the job to my friend IC experiment was. As football fans we all like our History, but letting someone stay in a job (which they didn't want) for another year because they were "succssesful" in getting us to europe a while back. Oh and to the folks who say he has turned it around after Cathro, most of the posters on this board could have did that, its not a measure of hos great a manager CL is because cathro was so bad anyone was an improvement. MJ I am not disagreeing with you , except that quite a few folk point to his lack of medals as a point against him. For me, his first stint as manager is irrelevant right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Finlay James said: Ooft, getting put out the cup by the famous seriously hurt you mob didn't it. C’mon, are we seriously going to trot this out every time someone is negative, even excessively so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, MadJock said: The post was not about talent though it was about success, which as someone has already said everyone measures diffrently. If getting a team to a final or into europe a decade ago is how folks are judging him then fine (lots of managers have done that though), me i am judging him on this season and its been shocking. I do not care about his past record with us or with Dundee Utd, i care that with the resouces he has at his disposal (the FoH donate more money to this club than some of the lessers clubs we have drawn with have to run there club) we are going backwards. Reguardless of who's actual fault you think it is, players, coaches or managers, CL is still the DoF - his job is to oversee ALL footballing matters so he has to take a HUGE part of the blame for this mess. He never learns, he is way to arrogant for that, the lets bring our next head coach up through the ranks is still HIS (and therefore AB's) vision / experiment and I reaslly don't think thats going to be a success and more than the lets give the job to my friend IC experiment was. As football fans we all like our History, but letting someone stay in a job (which they didn't want) for another year because they were "succssesful" in getting us to europe a while back. Oh and to the folks who say he has turned it around after Cathro, most of the posters on this board could have did that, its not a measure of hos great a manager CL is because cathro was so bad anyone was an improvement. MJ Nobody should disagree with what your saying,the truth hurts sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Finlay James said: Ooft, getting put out the cup by the famous seriously hurt you mob didn't it. Hurt me last Sunday pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Levien is a Loooooser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Ryder said: Quite an obtuse and churlish guy. He has irked you, as I have, due to stating the inconvenient truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Unless you have an old firm conection, it’s probably unlikely you have many medals (if any) It isn’t really a true indicator of talent imo There’s maybe merit in having a manager with an old firm connection. They tend to have a winning mentality, expect to win 3 points away from home, and are used to pressure. Lennon and Mcinnes aren’t doing too badly, and Macdonald/Jardine did very well for us many years ago. Like everything, there are exceptions though. And I can’t think of anyone that would be suitable or in our price range right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, MadJock said: The post was not about talent though it was about success, which as someone has already said everyone measures diffrently. If getting a team to a final or into europe a decade ago is how folks are judging him then fine (lots of managers have done that though), me i am judging him on this season and its been shocking. I do not care about his past record with us or with Dundee Utd, i care that with the resouces he has at his disposal (the FoH donate more money to this club than some of the lessers clubs we have drawn with have to run there club) we are going backwards. Reguardless of who's actual fault you think it is, players, coaches or managers, CL is still the DoF - his job is to oversee ALL footballing matters so he has to take a HUGE part of the blame for this mess. He never learns, he is way to arrogant for that, the lets bring our next head coach up through the ranks is still HIS (and therefore AB's) vision / experiment and I reaslly don't think thats going to be a success and more than the lets give the job to my friend IC experiment was. As football fans we all like our History, but letting someone stay in a job (which they didn't want) for another year because they were "succssesful" in getting us to europe a while back. Oh and to the folks who say he has turned it around after Cathro, most of the posters on this board could have did that, its not a measure of hos great a manager CL is because cathro was so bad anyone was an improvement. MJ Any honest Hearts fan should find this post difficult to disagree with. Clearly some will though because some just don't like the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 13 hours ago, davie1980 said: Levein has been a success in this league, with two different clubs previously. And that was years ago. He's out of touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, Spencer said: Any honest Hearts fan should find this post difficult to disagree with. Clearly some will though because some just don't like the truth You and Mitch should meet up since you both often claim to own ‘the truth’. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: You and Mitch should meet up since you both often claim to own ‘the truth’. ? Dave. Where are you with Levein just now? Would you make a change in the summer and if so who realistically would you bring in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Where I am at is that I was happy with progress up until the winter break. We then went on to beat Hibs first game back and had made some good signings. However, since then ( barring the cup defeat of Saints ) we seem to have regressed a bit. Disappointed in that and we need to see improvement between now and the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Beats said: Dave. Where are you with Levein just now? Would you make a change in the summer and if so who realistically would you bring in? Replied on that prior to you posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: Replied on that prior to you posting. Thanks Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Beats said: Thanks Dave. If we don’t see some improvement by season end then Craig could be on a shoogly peg. I was never convinced, at the time, of the solidity of his three year contract and suspect he might only be in post on an interim basis. I could be totally wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: If we don’t see some improvement by season end then Craig could be on a shoogly peg. I was never convinced, at the time, of the solidity of his three year contract and suspect he might only be in post on an interim basis. I could be totally wrong though. I have a feeling he will be gone in the summer. My worry is he goes back to this director of football role. I feel we need a clean break. We don't need a DOF. If he is going to stay make him academy director. I think that is maybe where he would be best utilised but as I said I think a clean break best all round. Who do we approach? The obvious answer is Steve Clarke but I think he will be snapped up from a club down South. He's done a great job with Killie. Jack Ross wouldn't be a bad shout. Doing a good job and appears to have his head screwed on. Not taking that job he was offered down South was a good sign. See what happens D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, davemclaren said: You and Mitch should meet up since you both often claim to own ‘the truth’. ? I claim nothing of the sort. I do believe some fans, many of whom are active on here, struggle to accept what is laid bare before them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5698 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 18 hours ago, amadjambo said: We have won ONE league game more than Hamilton and Dundee, two clubs that have been fighting relegation all season. Hamilton have lost 14 games this season, Dundee 17, we have lost 9. It is the 12 draws that have killed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5698 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Ryder said: What a terrible post. So very very Hibs. ‘Show us yer medals Craig’... Did you hear Lennon's interview before the game on Friday, he had a dig at the lack of trophies Craig Levein had won after he discussed Levein's dominance in the fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, john5698 said: Hamilton have lost 14 games this season, Dundee 17, we have lost 9. It is the 12 draws that have killed us. Yep. We don’t score enough goals. Despite this we sold a goalscoring striker without replacing him, and hardly for big bucks either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadJock Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Beats said: I have a feeling he will be gone in the summer. My worry is he goes back to this director of football role. I feel we need a clean break. We don't need a DOF. If he is going to stay make him academy director. I think that is maybe where he would be best utilised but as I said I think a clean break best all round. Who do we approach? The obvious answer is Steve Clarke but I think he will be snapped up from a club down South. He's done a great job with Killie. Jack Ross wouldn't be a bad shout. Doing a good job and appears to have his head screwed on. Not taking that job he was offered down South was a good sign. See what happens D. Thats my biggest worry because no established manager is going to touch the job if CL is interfeering from above. The academy director would be a great position to reward someone who has been a loyal servant to the club although presonally i would prefer a clean start which means him and the coaching staff are gone. This is purely down to me believing (rightly or wrongly) that he would still want to interferer. Anyone coming in is a risk, thats the same with any club getting new mangement staff. Steve Clarke would also be my first choice, again though would he work under CL ? I stating that as i do not believe CL is going anywhere anytime soon and i think thats always going to limit who comes in if CL can be moved away from head coach / managers role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, john5698 said: Did you hear Lennon's interview before the game on Friday, he had a dig at the lack of trophies Craig Levein had won after he discussed Levein's dominance in the fixture. Lennon is a horrible guy but he is a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, amadjambo said: Yep. We don’t score enough goals. Despite this we sold a goalscoring striker without replacing him, and hardly for big bucks either. Most seemed please he had left though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, amadjambo said: Yep. We don’t score enough goals. Despite this we sold a goalscoring striker without replacing him, and hardly for big bucks either. 6 months for Steven Naismith will probably take up the lions share of the fees received for Goncalves and Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadJock Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, davemclaren said: Most seemed please he had left though. Yeah we a fickle lot us footi fans thats for sure, hate someone one week, love them the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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