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1 minute ago, periodictabledancer said:

How can you put fuel in a car that doesn't need it ? 

 

Don't need to fill because they are not going to be using the car, they could have waited, didn't need filled up today.

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What a summation from the man who won the deal. 
 

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My Secret Brexit Diary by Michel Barnier review — ‘I still don’t understand what the point of Brexit is’

The EU’s chief negotiator gives his account of wrangling with “exasperating” Brits and Boris Johnson’s “madman strategy”. Review by Charles Bremner

September 23 2021, The Times

On the day Britain finally left the EU, Michel Barnier, the Frenchman who led the European negotiations to unravel more than four decades of British membership, admitted that he did not get it. “I still don’t understand what the point of it is, even from the perspective of the British national interest,” he wrote.

Barnier’s view of Brexit in January 2020 as irrational and self-damaging, an opinion shared by the continental establishment, had not changed over the four years of tortuous wrangling that led to the withdrawal and the trade pact last Christmas. Yet there is admiration for Britain in Barnier’s Secret Brexit Diary, a blow-by-blow account of the marathon dance that he performed with a succession of British ministers and two prime ministers, all of whose behaviour he found exasperating. Ending his inside tale of the divorce, subtitled A Glorious Illusion, Barnier wishes the best for “a great people” who have given much to the world. He also predicts that les Anglais will soon be back to their usual tricks and trying to undermine their deal.

Far from the tabloid caricature of Barnier as a hardline Anglophobe, his diary portrays him as a fair-minded broker and steady hand who put himself in British shoes and was bent on a deal. “Keep calm and negotiate” was inscribed on mugs in his office. In the face of walkout threats from emotional Britons, he repeatedly pulled the talks back from the brink.

Barnier, 70, a former conservative foreign minister and European commissioner, was a good choice by Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission president in 2016. A politician long known as thorough, courteous and a little dull, he cultivated the support of the member states, visiting everyone from the Baltics to Ireland and Malta, ensuring he thwarted Britain’s non-stop campaign to split the front of the 27.

A master of detail, Barnier is impressed by the “dignified, competent and lucid” British civil servants, led by Olly Robbins, Theresa May’s adviser and Brexit negotiator. He is amazed by the insouciance of the politician negotiators, from David Davis through Dominic Raab to David Frost. Though Davis refused to engage in detail, he liked him. He was startled by Raab’s “messianic glow in the eye” and incredulous when the Briton said he had only just discovered that “we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing”. Relations with Lord Frost ended poorly after the “masquerade” of Britain’s endgame last winter with squabbling over fishing and rules for the “level playing field” in trade.

At the outset Barnier is astounded by the way that May lays down British red lines, thus closing doors. Yet he admires her as a courageous, “strong and elegant woman but with a certain rigidity in her physical and mental attitude”. He adds: “As I greet her, I can’t help but glance at her shoes . . . her zebra and leopard print pumps.” He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged when he adopts a “madman strategy” in the closing phase of the trade negotiations, walking away, saying Britain would be happy with no deal. To understand Britain’s aversion to Brussels, Barnier says he began by reading The Commissioner, a 1987 novel by Stanley Johnson, the prime minister’s father.

The big frustration for Barnier and Sabine Weyand, his German deputy until 2019,was what he calls the refusal of British leaders to assume the consequences of a referendum that the “morally outrageous” Brexiteers never thought through. There was a failure to grasp everything from the economic damage to the implications for Ireland and the Good Friday agreement, he writes.

While bickering over the Irish backstop in late 2018, he writes: “It is now almost two and a half years since a majority of British people voted for Brexit under the leadership of politicians like Dominic Raab and every passing day shows that they have not realised the consequences of what is truly at stake here.”

The chaotic British conduct stemmed from the way the government failed to grasp that it held few cards while Brussels held most of them. When Davis likened the negotiation to buying a house, Barnier corrected him. “It is not a question of bargaining” because Europe was selling nothing.

Until the end, the British tried to cherry-pick from the single market and the customs union while insisting on independence from EU rules, Barnier says. On fish, the sole area in which Britain held an advantage, the Brussels team deployed figures to scotch Johnson’s demand to exclude EU boats from its plentiful waters. All by itself, the connection to continental electricity that Britain wanted was worth up to two billion euros a year, far more than the value of all the fish that Europeans catch in British waters, Barnier told Frost. “There is no reason why you should get access to our electricity market and at the same time deny our fishermen access to your waters.”

He clinched the final deal thanks to unerring support from Europe’s leaders, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mark Rutte of the Netherlands and Ursula von der Leyen, the new Commission president. Merkel telephoned Barnier in his car with encouragement for the final sessions. Emmanuel Macron also helped to make sure there was no EU wobble in the face of les Anglais.

The journals of Adrian Mole or Mr Pooter come to mind with the bland digressions that the ever polite Barnier makes about his grandchildren, chers collègues and his wanderings around Europe. Stockholm, he tells us, is “a beautiful cold but sunny city in the heart of Sweden”. In a preface to the English translation, Barnier blames the 2016 vote on delusions of British superiority and contempt for the EU fed by decades of press denigration. Britain’s departure was a big loss and a failure for the EU as well as Britain, he says.

The Savoy-born politician who was always deemed an outsider by the Paris elite, remains a believer in the European project but he acknowledges flaws in a machine run by bureaucrats who have often lost touch with the people. The EU has discredited itself lately by failing to protect citizens from the rigours of globalisation and control the flow of migrants across its external borders, he says.

These are the themes that Barnier has surprisingly struck up this month in his campaign for the Republican Party’s candidacy for April’s presidential elections. Barnier’s old sparring partners across the Channel must be amused to see this champion of EU orthodoxy now promising to put French sovereignty above the rulings of the European Court of Justice.

My Secret Brexit Diary by Michel Barnier review — ‘I still don’t understand what the point of Brexit is’

The EU’s chief negotiator gives his account of wrangling with “exasperating” Brits and Boris Johnson’s “madman strategy”. Review by Charles Bremner

September 23 2021, The Times

On the day Britain finally left the EU, Michel Barnier, the Frenchman who led the European negotiations to unravel more than four decades of British membership, admitted that he did not get it. “I still don’t understand what the point of it is, even from the perspective of the British national interest,” he wrote.

Barnier’s view of Brexit in January 2020 as irrational and self-damaging, an opinion shared by the continental establishment, had not changed over the four years of tortuous wrangling that led to the withdrawal and the trade pact last Christmas. Yet there is admiration for Britain in Barnier’s Secret Brexit Diary, a blow-by-blow account of the marathon dance that he performed with a succession of British ministers and two prime ministers, all of whose behaviour he found exasperating. Ending his inside tale of the divorce, subtitled A Glorious Illusion, Barnier wishes the best for “a great people” who have given much to the world. He also predicts that les Anglais will soon be back to their usual tricks and trying to undermine their deal.

Far from the tabloid caricature of Barnier as a hardline Anglophobe, his diary portrays him as a fair-minded broker and steady hand who put himself in British shoes and was bent on a deal. “Keep calm and negotiate” was inscribed on mugs in his office. In the face of walkout threats from emotional Britons, he repeatedly pulled the talks back from the brink.

Barnier, 70, a former conservative foreign minister and European commissioner, was a good choice by Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission president in 2016. A politician long known as thorough, courteous and a little dull, he cultivated the support of the member states, visiting everyone from the Baltics to Ireland and Malta, ensuring he thwarted Britain’s non-stop campaign to split the front of the 27.

A master of detail, Barnier is impressed by the “dignified, competent and lucid” British civil servants, led by Olly Robbins, Theresa May’s adviser and Brexit negotiator. He is amazed by the insouciance of the politician negotiators, from David Davis through Dominic Raab to David Frost. Though Davis refused to engage in detail, he liked him. He was startled by Raab’s “messianic glow in the eye” and incredulous when the Briton said he had only just discovered that “we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing”. Relations with Lord Frost ended poorly after the “masquerade” of Britain’s endgame last winter with squabbling over fishing and rules for the “level playing field” in trade.

At the outset Barnier is astounded by the way that May lays down British red lines, thus closing doors. Yet he admires her as a courageous, “strong and elegant woman but with a certain rigidity in her physical and mental attitude”. He adds: “As I greet her, I can’t help but glance at her shoes . . . her zebra and leopard print pumps.” He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged when he adopts a “madman strategy” in the closing phase of the trade negotiations, walking away, saying Britain would be happy with no deal. To understand Britain’s aversion to Brussels, Barnier says he began by reading The Commissioner, a 1987 novel by Stanley Johnson, the prime minister’s father.

The big frustration for Barnier and Sabine Weyand, his German deputy until 2019,was what he calls the refusal of British leaders to assume the consequences of a referendum that the “morally outrageous” Brexiteers never thought through. There was a failure to grasp everything from the economic damage to the implications for Ireland and the Good Friday agreement, he writes.

While bickering over the Irish backstop in late 2018, he writes: “It is now almost two and a half years since a majority of British people voted for Brexit under the leadership of politicians like Dominic Raab and every passing day shows that they have not realised the consequences of what is truly at stake here.”

The chaotic British conduct stemmed from the way the government failed to grasp that it held few cards while Brussels held most of them. When Davis likened the negotiation to buying a house, Barnier corrected him. “It is not a question of bargaining” because Europe was selling nothing.

Until the end, the British tried to cherry-pick from the single market and the customs union while insisting on independence from EU rules, Barnier says. On fish, the sole area in which Britain held an advantage, the Brussels team deployed figures to scotch Johnson’s demand to exclude EU boats from its plentiful waters. All by itself, the connection to continental electricity that Britain wanted was worth up to two billion euros a year, far more than the value of all the fish that Europeans catch in British waters, Barnier told Frost. “There is no reason why you should get access to our electricity market and at the same time deny our fishermen access to your waters.”

He clinched the final deal thanks to unerring support from Europe’s leaders, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mark Rutte of the Netherlands and Ursula von der Leyen, the new Commission president. Merkel telephoned Barnier in his car with encouragement for the final sessions. Emmanuel Macron also helped to make sure there was no EU wobble in the face of les Anglais.

The journals of Adrian Mole or Mr Pooter come to mind with the bland digressions that the ever polite Barnier makes about his grandchildren, chers collègues and his wanderings around Europe. Stockholm, he tells us, is “a beautiful cold but sunny city in the heart of Sweden”. In a preface to the English translation, Barnier blames the 2016 vote on delusions of British superiority and contempt for the EU fed by decades of press denigration. Britain’s departure was a big loss and a failure for the EU as well as Britain, he says.

The Savoy-born politician who was always deemed an outsider by the Paris elite, remains a believer in the European project but he acknowledges flaws in a machine run by bureaucrats who have often lost touch with the people. The EU has discredited itself lately by failing to protect citizens from the rigours of globalisation and control the flow of migrants across its external borders, he says.

These are the themes that Barnier has surprisingly struck up this month in his campaign for the Republican Party’s candidacy for April’s presidential elections. Barnier’s old sparring partners across the Channel must be amused to see this champion of EU orthodoxy now promising to put French sovereignty above the rulings of the European Court of Justice.
 

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5 hours ago, Deke Thornton said:

Millions of EU citizens have elected to remain in the UK post-brexit. Strange that the ones who cleared off all seem to have been lorry drivers and fruit pickers.

:interehjrling:

 

 

It's like the old joke about why is it that the best qualified people to run the country are all driving taxis.

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4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

No gas crisis in Germany, I'm sure that'll come as a real comfort to the 300K+ German households which have just seen an 11.5% increase in their bills.  https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-households-face-115-rise-gas-bills-2021-09-20/

 

 

What an oddball article.  There are over 40 million households in Germany.  Why a news story about a price rise affecting less than 1% of them?

 

But in any case, gas prices in Europe, including the UK, fell sharply from the end of 2018 through to the pandemic.  They've recovered now that economies are re-opening, but they're going beyond that because producers are either controlling supply to fix prices or (more likely) having difficulty keeping up with improving demand.

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3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Some retweets from the Irish on that above

 

'Yes longest lockdown in Europe and a very ineffective health system despite Ireland spending at EU averages for years now. But the thicko EU serfs would love to blame everything on Brexit'

 

'A lot of EU builders left Ireland because of Varadkars govt extended lockdown and those builder aren't coming back'

 

:rofl:

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50 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

What a summation from the man who won the deal. 
 

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My Secret Brexit Diary by Michel Barnier review
 

 

None of that surprises me, including the fact that his own diary of events is likely to (a) paint himself in a favourable light and (b) support his politics.

 

It would be potentially much more insightful to read the thoughts of Sabine Weyand on the talks process, although given that she is a career civil servant (and an ambitious one) we'll probably have to wait.

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59 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged when he adopts a “madman strategy” in the closing phase of the trade negotiations, walking away, saying Britain would be happy with no deal. 

@Ulysses   He has Johnson down to a tee! 

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The Mighty Thor
5 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

In fairness, Johnson can be summed up in the words "grossly unfit for the job".

Johnson's school master at Eaton had him sussed at a very early age. 

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10 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

Anybody wondering why BP happened to mention something of no apparent  significance to govt/ the media ? 

🤔

If you’re a cynic you could say it was a way of re-introducing foreign drivers through a visa scheme to stop a serious food on the shelves crisis, leading up to Christmas.

Using the petrol ruse is better than supermarkets going to Def Con 3 with dafties !

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I see on the news that the queues at the petrol stations have started again, certainly in London they have, seen photos from 4am and there were queues, with some folks filling up petrol cans now.

 

Little wonder now there is real shortages starting to appear in some places.

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4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

I see on the news that the queues at the petrol stations have started again, certainly in London they have, seen photos from 4am and there were queues, with some folks filling up petrol cans now.

 

Little wonder now there is real shortages starting to appear in some places.

Tesco Corstorphine petrol station this morning was exceptionally busy.

Absolute bonkers.

 

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45 minutes ago, Boab said:

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If you’re a cynic you could say it was a way of re-introducing foreign drivers through a visa scheme to stop a serious food on the shelves crisis, leading up to Christmas.

Using the petrol ruse is better than supermarkets going to Def Con 3 with dafties !

 

So despite saying the problem wasn't to do with Brexit (yesterday morning) the Government has been waiting for an excuse? Can believe that.

 

But yesterday the Government did say Poland and Germany had shortages of drivers too so it wasn't to do with Brexit. And it does seem as in other work areas, people are leaving the industry. Are we just going to make the problem worse in other countries by taking their drivers.

 

And on Thursday on a phone in, someone working in the industry said the problem is more the wait for DVLA(S) to process driving licenses for the very successful new training of new drivers. 

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14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So despite saying the problem wasn't to do with Brexit (yesterday morning) the Government has been waiting for an excuse? Can believe that.

 

But yesterday the Government did say Poland and Germany had shortages of drivers too so it wasn't to do with Brexit. And it does seem as in other work areas, people are leaving the industry. Are we just going to make the problem worse in other countries by taking their drivers.

 

And on Thursday on a phone in, someone working in the industry said the problem is more the wait for DVLA(S) to process driving licenses for the very successful new training of new drivers. 

Get yer glass hammers, 2 for a tenner.

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33 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

I see on the news that the queues at the petrol stations have started again, certainly in London they have, seen photos from 4am and there were queues, with some folks filling up petrol cans now.

 

Little wonder now there is real shortages starting to appear in some places.

I hate people. I really do. 

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The way to go about it is to fill up your car as soon as you even hear a sniff of petrol supply problems, like I did. That way you can avoid the panic buying.

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It's always been a big limitation of vehicles. That you don't get longer for the fuel. 

 

If you were starting from scratch, surely you would want longer. Same for electric vehicles. 

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11 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

What a summation from the man who won the deal. 
 

https://apple.news/AdDbhWfVeQxOz6owDzmFmSQ

 

My Secret Brexit Diary by Michel Barnier review — ‘I still don’t understand what the point of Brexit is’

The EU’s chief negotiator gives his account of wrangling with “exasperating” Brits and Boris Johnson’s “madman strategy”. Review by Charles Bremner

September 23 2021, The Times

On the day Britain finally left the EU, Michel Barnier, the Frenchman who led the European negotiations to unravel more than four decades of British membership, admitted that he did not get it. “I still don’t understand what the point of it is, even from the perspective of the British national interest,” he wrote.

Barnier’s view of Brexit in January 2020 as irrational and self-damaging, an opinion shared by the continental establishment, had not changed over the four years of tortuous wrangling that led to the withdrawal and the trade pact last Christmas. Yet there is admiration for Britain in Barnier’s Secret Brexit Diary, a blow-by-blow account of the marathon dance that he performed with a succession of British ministers and two prime ministers, all of whose behaviour he found exasperating. Ending his inside tale of the divorce, subtitled A Glorious Illusion, Barnier wishes the best for “a great people” who have given much to the world. He also predicts that les Anglais will soon be back to their usual tricks and trying to undermine their deal.

Far from the tabloid caricature of Barnier as a hardline Anglophobe, his diary portrays him as a fair-minded broker and steady hand who put himself in British shoes and was bent on a deal. “Keep calm and negotiate” was inscribed on mugs in his office. In the face of walkout threats from emotional Britons, he repeatedly pulled the talks back from the brink.

Barnier, 70, a former conservative foreign minister and European commissioner, was a good choice by Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission president in 2016. A politician long known as thorough, courteous and a little dull, he cultivated the support of the member states, visiting everyone from the Baltics to Ireland and Malta, ensuring he thwarted Britain’s non-stop campaign to split the front of the 27.

A master of detail, Barnier is impressed by the “dignified, competent and lucid” British civil servants, led by Olly Robbins, Theresa May’s adviser and Brexit negotiator. He is amazed by the insouciance of the politician negotiators, from David Davis through Dominic Raab to David Frost. Though Davis refused to engage in detail, he liked him. He was startled by Raab’s “messianic glow in the eye” and incredulous when the Briton said he had only just discovered that “we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing”. Relations with Lord Frost ended poorly after the “masquerade” of Britain’s endgame last winter with squabbling over fishing and rules for the “level playing field” in trade.

At the outset Barnier is astounded by the way that May lays down British red lines, thus closing doors. Yet he admires her as a courageous, “strong and elegant woman but with a certain rigidity in her physical and mental attitude”. He adds: “As I greet her, I can’t help but glance at her shoes . . . her zebra and leopard print pumps.” He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged when he adopts a “madman strategy” in the closing phase of the trade negotiations, walking away, saying Britain would be happy with no deal. To understand Britain’s aversion to Brussels, Barnier says he began by reading The Commissioner, a 1987 novel by Stanley Johnson, the prime minister’s father.

The big frustration for Barnier and Sabine Weyand, his German deputy until 2019,was what he calls the refusal of British leaders to assume the consequences of a referendum that the “morally outrageous” Brexiteers never thought through. There was a failure to grasp everything from the economic damage to the implications for Ireland and the Good Friday agreement, he writes.

While bickering over the Irish backstop in late 2018, he writes: “It is now almost two and a half years since a majority of British people voted for Brexit under the leadership of politicians like Dominic Raab and every passing day shows that they have not realised the consequences of what is truly at stake here.”

The chaotic British conduct stemmed from the way the government failed to grasp that it held few cards while Brussels held most of them. When Davis likened the negotiation to buying a house, Barnier corrected him. “It is not a question of bargaining” because Europe was selling nothing.

Until the end, the British tried to cherry-pick from the single market and the customs union while insisting on independence from EU rules, Barnier says. On fish, the sole area in which Britain held an advantage, the Brussels team deployed figures to scotch Johnson’s demand to exclude EU boats from its plentiful waters. All by itself, the connection to continental electricity that Britain wanted was worth up to two billion euros a year, far more than the value of all the fish that Europeans catch in British waters, Barnier told Frost. “There is no reason why you should get access to our electricity market and at the same time deny our fishermen access to your waters.”

He clinched the final deal thanks to unerring support from Europe’s leaders, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mark Rutte of the Netherlands and Ursula von der Leyen, the new Commission president. Merkel telephoned Barnier in his car with encouragement for the final sessions. Emmanuel Macron also helped to make sure there was no EU wobble in the face of les Anglais.

The journals of Adrian Mole or Mr Pooter come to mind with the bland digressions that the ever polite Barnier makes about his grandchildren, chers collègues and his wanderings around Europe. Stockholm, he tells us, is “a beautiful cold but sunny city in the heart of Sweden”. In a preface to the English translation, Barnier blames the 2016 vote on delusions of British superiority and contempt for the EU fed by decades of press denigration. Britain’s departure was a big loss and a failure for the EU as well as Britain, he says.

The Savoy-born politician who was always deemed an outsider by the Paris elite, remains a believer in the European project but he acknowledges flaws in a machine run by bureaucrats who have often lost touch with the people. The EU has discredited itself lately by failing to protect citizens from the rigours of globalisation and control the flow of migrants across its external borders, he says.

These are the themes that Barnier has surprisingly struck up this month in his campaign for the Republican Party’s candidacy for April’s presidential elections. Barnier’s old sparring partners across the Channel must be amused to see this champion of EU orthodoxy now promising to put French sovereignty above the rulings of the European Court of Justice.

My Secret Brexit Diary by Michel Barnier review — ‘I still don’t understand what the point of Brexit is’

The EU’s chief negotiator gives his account of wrangling with “exasperating” Brits and Boris Johnson’s “madman strategy”. Review by Charles Bremner

September 23 2021, The Times

On the day Britain finally left the EU, Michel Barnier, the Frenchman who led the European negotiations to unravel more than four decades of British membership, admitted that he did not get it. “I still don’t understand what the point of it is, even from the perspective of the British national interest,” he wrote.

Barnier’s view of Brexit in January 2020 as irrational and self-damaging, an opinion shared by the continental establishment, had not changed over the four years of tortuous wrangling that led to the withdrawal and the trade pact last Christmas. Yet there is admiration for Britain in Barnier’s Secret Brexit Diary, a blow-by-blow account of the marathon dance that he performed with a succession of British ministers and two prime ministers, all of whose behaviour he found exasperating. Ending his inside tale of the divorce, subtitled A Glorious Illusion, Barnier wishes the best for “a great people” who have given much to the world. He also predicts that les Anglais will soon be back to their usual tricks and trying to undermine their deal.

Far from the tabloid caricature of Barnier as a hardline Anglophobe, his diary portrays him as a fair-minded broker and steady hand who put himself in British shoes and was bent on a deal. “Keep calm and negotiate” was inscribed on mugs in his office. In the face of walkout threats from emotional Britons, he repeatedly pulled the talks back from the brink.

Barnier, 70, a former conservative foreign minister and European commissioner, was a good choice by Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission president in 2016. A politician long known as thorough, courteous and a little dull, he cultivated the support of the member states, visiting everyone from the Baltics to Ireland and Malta, ensuring he thwarted Britain’s non-stop campaign to split the front of the 27.

A master of detail, Barnier is impressed by the “dignified, competent and lucid” British civil servants, led by Olly Robbins, Theresa May’s adviser and Brexit negotiator. He is amazed by the insouciance of the politician negotiators, from David Davis through Dominic Raab to David Frost. Though Davis refused to engage in detail, he liked him. He was startled by Raab’s “messianic glow in the eye” and incredulous when the Briton said he had only just discovered that “we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing”. Relations with Lord Frost ended poorly after the “masquerade” of Britain’s endgame last winter with squabbling over fishing and rules for the “level playing field” in trade.

At the outset Barnier is astounded by the way that May lays down British red lines, thus closing doors. Yet he admires her as a courageous, “strong and elegant woman but with a certain rigidity in her physical and mental attitude”. He adds: “As I greet her, I can’t help but glance at her shoes . . . her zebra and leopard print pumps.” He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged when he adopts a “madman strategy” in the closing phase of the trade negotiations, walking away, saying Britain would be happy with no deal. To understand Britain’s aversion to Brussels, Barnier says he began by reading The Commissioner, a 1987 novel by Stanley Johnson, the prime minister’s father.

The big frustration for Barnier and Sabine Weyand, his German deputy until 2019,was what he calls the refusal of British leaders to assume the consequences of a referendum that the “morally outrageous” Brexiteers never thought through. There was a failure to grasp everything from the economic damage to the implications for Ireland and the Good Friday agreement, he writes.

While bickering over the Irish backstop in late 2018, he writes: “It is now almost two and a half years since a majority of British people voted for Brexit under the leadership of politicians like Dominic Raab and every passing day shows that they have not realised the consequences of what is truly at stake here.”

The chaotic British conduct stemmed from the way the government failed to grasp that it held few cards while Brussels held most of them. When Davis likened the negotiation to buying a house, Barnier corrected him. “It is not a question of bargaining” because Europe was selling nothing.

Until the end, the British tried to cherry-pick from the single market and the customs union while insisting on independence from EU rules, Barnier says. On fish, the sole area in which Britain held an advantage, the Brussels team deployed figures to scotch Johnson’s demand to exclude EU boats from its plentiful waters. All by itself, the connection to continental electricity that Britain wanted was worth up to two billion euros a year, far more than the value of all the fish that Europeans catch in British waters, Barnier told Frost. “There is no reason why you should get access to our electricity market and at the same time deny our fishermen access to your waters.”

He clinched the final deal thanks to unerring support from Europe’s leaders, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mark Rutte of the Netherlands and Ursula von der Leyen, the new Commission president. Merkel telephoned Barnier in his car with encouragement for the final sessions. Emmanuel Macron also helped to make sure there was no EU wobble in the face of les Anglais.

The journals of Adrian Mole or Mr Pooter come to mind with the bland digressions that the ever polite Barnier makes about his grandchildren, chers collègues and his wanderings around Europe. Stockholm, he tells us, is “a beautiful cold but sunny city in the heart of Sweden”. In a preface to the English translation, Barnier blames the 2016 vote on delusions of British superiority and contempt for the EU fed by decades of press denigration. Britain’s departure was a big loss and a failure for the EU as well as Britain, he says.

The Savoy-born politician who was always deemed an outsider by the Paris elite, remains a believer in the European project but he acknowledges flaws in a machine run by bureaucrats who have often lost touch with the people. The EU has discredited itself lately by failing to protect citizens from the rigours of globalisation and control the flow of migrants across its external borders, he says.

These are the themes that Barnier has surprisingly struck up this month in his campaign for the Republican Party’s candidacy for April’s presidential elections. Barnier’s old sparring partners across the Channel must be amused to see this champion of EU orthodoxy now promising to put French sovereignty above the rulings of the European Court of Justice.
 

What a read, in years to come I wonder what people will say about brexit.. Will they blame the politicians for lying, the public for being thick, will history be twisted and the Europeans or migration be blamed? 

 

I thought this explains a lot - He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged -

 

 

Just unbelievable isn't it, what's just f-ing nuts is there are still people convinced brexit is/was a good idea and the UK is benefiting from it.  

 

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3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Johnson's school master at Eaton had him sussed at a very early age. 

Him and Cameron highlight what wrong with the public school system and its hold on our society. 

They've been competing with each other from primary school to Westminster.   

Can't the book I read about them, but they can take it to the level of being prime minister because of the hold their background has on everything. 

Cameron's last cabinet had something like 16 members who went to the same school as him.

Nothing's really changed in Westminster for centuries. 

How anyone is happy to be governed by a system that allows this is baffling.  

 

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3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Johnson's school master at Eaton had him sussed at a very early age. 

So did one of his early mothers-in-law. Quote…….

 

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39 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The way to go about it is to fill up your car as soon as you even hear a sniff of petrol supply problems, like I did. That way you can avoid the panic buying.

 

Or if the car isn't going to used for the next few days just leave it sitting on the drive and wait for the panic to subside, like what we'll do.

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

I do believe that point of Barnier was the most important. The Brexiteers didn't understand what Brexit meant in practice. 

 

Yep, and wilful ignorance throughout, from top to bottom. Boorish, sabre rattling ignorance, go Brexit!

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45 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I hate people. I really do. 

 

The lesson here, is that society, well in Britain anyway, is on a knife edge all the time, all it takes is a hint of shortages and the panic sets in.

 

We seen it during the brexit negotiations whenever it grew near a deadline and a hard brexit was likely, people started to panic buy, then the pandemic same thing, now petrol, and in every incidence there was no actual need to panic as there was/is plenty of supplies.

 

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18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

I do believe that point of Barnier was the most important. The Brexiteers didn't understand what Brexit meant in practice. 

TBF to Leavers, nobody knew what type of Brexit they were ultimately going to get. “Brexit Means Brexit” was the well-worn phrase, but that meant so many different things to so many different people. Which was utterly brilliant because it ensured you garnered support for something that it turned out, was NOT what people voted for or were promised or were expecting (e.g. fishermen, farmers, replaced EU subsidies for Wales, Cornwall etc etc).

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12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The lesson here, is that society, well in Britain anyway, is on a knife edge all the time, all it takes is a hint of shortages and the panic sets in.

 

We seen it during the brexit negotiations whenever it grew near a deadline and a hard brexit was likely, people started to panic buy, then the pandemic same thing, now petrol, and in every incidence there was no actual need to panic as there was/is plenty of supplies.

 

What is the matter with people though? I’ve never panic bought it’s horrendous behaviour. Wait till there is an actual emergency with this stuff people will be scrapping in shops for bog rolls. 
 

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29 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

I do believe that point of Barnier was the most important. The Brexiteers didn't understand what Brexit meant in practice. 

 

BREXIT MEANS BREXIT

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7 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

What is the matter with people though? I’ve never panic bought it’s horrendous behaviour. Wait till there is an actual emergency with this stuff people will be scrapping in shops for bog rolls. 
 

Some people call animals dumb.

That’s laughable.

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5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Some people call animals dumb.

That’s laughable.

If we discovered animals behaving this way wed study them to find out what was the **** was the matter with them. 
I despise people. 

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2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

If we discovered animals behaving this way wed study them to find out what was the **** was the matter with them. 
I despise people. 

This.

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1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Tesco Corstorphine petrol station this morning was exceptionally busy.

Absolute bonkers.

 

I really detest those type of people . I really do . 🤕 there was a moron interviewed on channel 4 news . He was in his car , middle aged , bald head , tats on arms ( I’m really making no assumptions 😂) but was waiting to fill his car up to the max “ Just in case “ ! Arghhh 

1 hour ago, HartleyLegend3 said:

What a read, in years to come I wonder what people will say about brexit.. Will they blame the politicians for lying, the public for being thick, will history be twisted and the Europeans or migration be blamed? 

 

I thought this explains a lot - He rather likes Boris Johnson but finds him frivolous, unbriefed and almost unhinged -

 

 

Just unbelievable isn't it, what's just f-ing nuts is there are still people convinced brexit is/was a good idea and the UK is benefiting from it.  

 

The Europe question as others have noted was mainly related to internal ideology of the Tories . It created so much infighting and famously took a few decent scalps along the way ( Thatcher being one so not all bad !) and then Major and then Cameron . The old saying “ be careful what you wish for “ comes to mind now 

46 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

I do believe that point of Barnier was the most important. The Brexiteers didn't understand what Brexit meant in practice. 

Oh they did . They knew that when we were out we were out . They weren’t all daft . 

20 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

TBF to Leavers, nobody knew what type of Brexit they were ultimately going to get. “Brexit Means Brexit” was the well-worn phrase, but that meant so many different things to so many different people. Which was utterly brilliant because it ensured you garnered support for something that it turned out, was NOT what people voted for or were promised or were expecting (e.g. fishermen, farmers, replaced EU subsidies for Wales, Cornwall etc etc).

I disagree . I think people did know that trade etc would be affected but still voted for it . It was mainly about immigration . Simple as that . “ no more brown people “ or “ poles” coming to U.K. 

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1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The way to go about it is to fill up your car as soon as you even hear a sniff of petrol supply problems, like I did. That way you can avoid the panic buying.

But you then have to use it and you're back to square one when you need petrol again

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1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

What is the matter with people though? I’ve never panic bought it’s horrendous behaviour. Wait till there is an actual emergency with this stuff people will be scrapping in shops for bog rolls. 
 

Unfortunately basic economics I think.  People's wants outweigh their needs.  Stuff is king in this day and age.  When there was a limited amount of stuff people only wanted what was available however now there is so much stuff people seem to want to have more of it regardless of their need.

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1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

What is the matter with people though? I’ve never panic bought it’s horrendous behaviour. Wait till there is an actual emergency with this stuff people will be scrapping in shops for bog rolls. 
 

 

That's already happened and not just in the UK, but also in Australia & the USA, people fighting over bog rolls.

I remember footage from a supermarket CCTV showing a woman walking past an old man standing in an aisle and stealing a 4 pack of bog rolls out of the mans trolley.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Deke Thornton said:

Apparently 17 million+ ignorant racist thickos voted to leave the EU. (PS: I wasn’t one of them.)

If only there had been more enlightened and intellectually superior types like you.

 

I wouldn’t say they were all mad racists. Maybe a large number believed BJ and Co.

Let’s call them naive !

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4 minutes ago, Boab said:

BJ and Co

 Are like the Del Boys down in a London Market selling shit knocked of gear to gullible thick punters who think theve bought a bargain. 

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Unless folk were completely and utterly thick as mince they new their would be change.  I bet we get back to Brexit light when the Tory schoolboys in Westminster finally see we have no labour readily available in numerous sectors and just offer to let everyone back in that left.  Of course the problem then will be up yours you did not want me then so you can bog off now.

 

5000 short term visas for drivers.  Aye very good let's see how many apply.  They will not come back to low paid jobs now in that sector. 

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Passed a BP petrol station this morning and they were charging 1.45 a litre. There was only 1 car there right enough. 

Total profiteering.

A deliberate ploy by the boss of BP to go greeting to the media?

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24 minutes ago, Deke Thornton said:

Apparently 17 million+ ignorant racist thickos voted to leave the EU. (PS: I wasn’t one of them.)

If only there had been more enlightened and intellectually superior types like you.

 

 

I didn't say everyone, I said throughout.

 

The information was out there, the government's own reports said what would happen, many enlightened and intellectually superior types like me tried to point it out but they were shouted down.

 

If only there were more like me indeed.

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2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Passed a BP petrol station this morning and they were charging 1.45 a litre. There was only 1 car there right enough. 

Total profiteering.

A deliberate ploy by the boss of BP to go greeting to the media?

 

Last year when everyone was taking the first lockdown seriously I was working nights. The roads were deserted, it was brilliant.

Anyway, I mind pulling in to Tesco at Dulloch in Dunfermline to see unleaded at 99.7.

Aaah happy memories!

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5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Last year when everyone was taking the first lockdown seriously I was working nights. The roads were deserted, it was brilliant.

Anyway, I mind pulling in to Tesco at Dulloch in Dunfermline to see unleaded at 99.7.

Aaah happy memories!

Ha ha ripped off, it was 95p in Leven at that time 😀

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27 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

What England needs is a revolution.

 

The only revolution in England is the constant U-turns by this Government of shitebags.
They're more or less just doing donuts now.

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5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

I do believe that point of Barnier was the most important. The Brexiteers didn't understand what Brexit meant in practice. 

 

5 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

Yep, and wilful ignorance throughout, from top to bottom. Boorish, sabre rattling ignorance, go Brexit!

 

5 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

TBF to Leavers, nobody knew what type of Brexit they were ultimately going to get. “Brexit Means Brexit” was the well-worn phrase, but that meant so many different things to so many different people. Which was utterly brilliant because it ensured you garnered support for something that it turned out, was NOT what people voted for or were promised or were expecting (e.g. fishermen, farmers, replaced EU subsidies for Wales, Cornwall etc etc).

Y'all are missing the point spectacularly. 

It's about money. Pure and simple. 

Disaster capitalists filling their boots at all our expense. 

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