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On 13/09/2021 at 12:06, WorldChampions1902 said:

The question was, “What laws were imposed on the UK by the EU?”.
 

You have replied by citing alleged examples of “hundreds” of EU court decisions, that overturned U.K. court decisions. However, the U.K. cast its votes on creating those EU laws. The U.K. DISAGREED with ONLY 2% of the laws that it voted on since 1999. 
 

We didn’t like the decisions of the ECJ and ECHR? Tough! That’s what happens in a democracy. 

 

Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.

 

 

 


 

 

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At the risk of going off topic, I'd be wary of trying to do a comparison of how democratic the EU is compared to any individual country.  The EU has to balance two sets of rights, and they play out differently in the different institutions.  Citizens of EU member countries have direct rights, and those are upheld in different ways by the directly elected parliament and by the ECJ.  However, the EU is a union of independent member countries, and each country itself has direct rights, which are upheld in different ways by the Council and the ECJ.  Finally, the Union itself has rights and authorities, and these are upheld in different ways by the ECJ and the Commission.  So it isn't as simple as saying the the EU is more democratic or less democratic than the UK, or Germany, or wherever.

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1 hour ago, XB52 said:

He never does. Just goes on to his next error strewn rant. 

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I see he's signed out after putting up another dismal showing. 

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9 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

At the risk of going off topic, I'd be wary of trying to do a comparison of how democratic the EU is compared to any individual country.  The EU has to balance two sets of rights, and they play out differently in the different institutions.  Citizens of EU member countries have direct rights, and those are upheld in different ways by the directly elected parliament and by the ECJ.  However, the EU is a union of independent member countries, and each country itself has direct rights, which are upheld in different ways by the Council and the ECJ.  Finally, the Union itself has rights and authorities, and these are upheld in different ways by the ECJ and the Commission.  So it isn't as simple as saying the the EU is more democratic or less democratic than the UK, or Germany, or wherever.

You are quite correct . My original response was intended to quash the oft-repeated BS from the Right wing media about “unelected EU bureaucrats” dictating U.K. laws etc. The same BS swallowed for decades by a certain segment of the populous and which was ultimately so decisive in swaying the final referendum outcome (along with the spurious immigration arguments that were spouted). To some Brits, the way the EU operates is a complete mystery (and it is a complex topic) with some taking the very simplistic and naive view that U.K. democracy is how “true democracy” works and as the EU does not operate the same way, it’s not democratic. IMHO, the EU is democratic but not perfect. The same applies to the U.K.  Sadly however, the weaknesses of the EU system were exaggerated and fully exploited to gain the end result.

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4 hours ago, Beni said:

Suddenly free trade isn't such a bad thing.

Who knew?

 

 

Boris falsely claiming he doesn't want to carry out checks (wasn't this about taking back control? ) when the reality is it was the UK who pushed this through, refusing any extension and then realising they got caught with their pants down when they realised there was zero space at Dover and Holyhead.  So there's no way they could ever get the checks done. And it's still the case - there is nowhere at these ports for checks to be done. 

 

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They're really pushing the "IT'S THE EU PUTTING BARRIERS UP" pish aren't they?

 

We chose to leave the single market.

Nations outside the single market have border checks.

It's our fault.

The EU hasn't changed anything to punish us.

This is just how things are when you're a 3rd nation.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Cade said:

They're really pushing the "IT'S THE EU PUTTING BARRIERS UP" pish aren't they?

 

We chose to leave the single market.

Nations outside the single market have border checks.

It's our fault.

The EU hasn't changed anything to punish us.

This is just how things are when you're a 3rd nation.

 

 

The government are being allowed to peddle the lie as none of the MSM have the cojones to call them out and people are too thick to figure it out for themselves so it becomes the perceived wisdom.

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21 hours ago, Ulysses said:

Either you are being hopelessly naive, or else you're at it.

 

 

:interehjrling:

 

 

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You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is you do it to yourself, just you
You and no one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourself

 

 

FYI the bloke at the end whispers "brexit means brexit"

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2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The government are being allowed to peddle the lie as none of the MSM have the cojones to call them out and people are too thick to figure it out for themselves so it becomes the perceived wisdom.

“Lies beget more lies”, is the well-worn phrase.
 

Brexit was built on a tissue of lies. The lies worked to con enough of the electorate to vote Leave. The assumption now is that further lies will cover-up the original lies.

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Nuclear powered subs. :yas:

 

AUKUS :rofl: We really are a bunch of aggressive *****. Terrorists some would say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

::facepaw:: Sick of this shit.

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M&S announce that they'll be shutting 11 stores they operate with a franchise partner in France.

 

Apparently they were having difficulty exporting M&S gear to France, seeing as we're no longer in the EU.

 

what's the chances?

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1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

M&S announce that they'll be shutting 11 stores they operate with a franchise partner in France.

 

Apparently they were having difficulty exporting M&S gear to France, seeing as we're no longer in the EU.

 

what's the chances?

 

Bloody EU :seething:

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5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

M&S announce that they'll be shutting 11 stores they operate with a franchise partner in France.

 

Apparently they were having difficulty exporting M&S gear to France, seeing as we're no longer in the EU.

 

what's the chances?

M&S have already announced there will a shortage of a lot of Xmas goods in their NI stores because their Chairman (Archie Norman  , ex Tory MP and brexiteer) can't be arsed with the red tape to bring it from the UK mainland. You couldn't make it up. 

 

Meanwhile Frost tells us today UK will have  a "world class border by 2025".  And no one even blinks. 

It's like Orwell wrote 1984 with brexit mind. 

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Talking to a small West coast shellfish producer who used to send 60% of his business to the EU.

 

Now it's Zero. He has picked up a few supermarket and food service contracts but not enough to replace his EU work.

 

Had to let 4 staff go out of 12.

 

The reason is not that he couldnt get orders/customers in the EU, its the paperwork, vets bills and shipping delays were too costly (apparently, he needed a Vet's certificate for every shipment to make sure his dead prawns were not being transported cruelly etc. so a Veterinarian had to physically visit his factory and check the boxes of shellfish - what a nonsense).

 

Boris is a cheeky wee scamp though eh?

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12 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Nuclear powered subs. :yas:

 

AUKUS :rofl: We really are a bunch of aggressive *****. Terrorists some would say.

 

 

 

Ah here.  Leaving aside the fact that this is for a different thread, the West needs to take measures to counter Chinese hostility and aggression in the Pacific.

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27 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Talking to a small West coast shellfish producer who used to send 60% of his business to the EU.

 

Now it's Zero. He has picked up a few supermarket and food service contracts but not enough to replace his EU work.

 

Had to let 4 staff go out of 12.

 

The reason is not that he couldnt get orders/customers in the EU, its the paperwork, vets bills and shipping delays were too costly (apparently, he needed a Vet's certificate for every shipment to make sure his dead prawns were not being transported cruelly etc. so a Veterinarian had to physically visit his factory and check the boxes of shellfish - what a nonsense).

 

Boris is a cheeky wee scamp though eh?

 

I wonder would it be worth his while to figure out a way to land some of his catch in NI and move it from there.

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6 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

I wonder would it be worth his while to figure out a way to land some of his catch in NI and move it from there.

Hope not. I’m trying to flog him some automation at his factory 😂

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2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Hope not. I’m trying to flog him some automation at his factory 😂

 

He could open a place in NI to process some of the seafood.  Nothing stopping a fella from supplying him there, although presumably he'd be putting whoever's doing the fishing under extra pressure.

 

I was talking to a car dealer whose used car trade is now more than double what it was in 2019.  Because of tax changes it's now too costly for us to buy used cars in GB.  Prices are still good in NI, but supplies are more limited.  His place sources cars from GB and sells them across the border, while also getting extra sales in NI as well.  He's taken on extra staff and seems to be a happy camper. 

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🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit

 

Via @thetimes

 

Who said there would be no Brexit benefits eh?

 

Mind you there will soon be **** all in the shops to measure in imperial but hey details shhmeeetails

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2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

 

I was talking to a car dealer whose used car trade is now more than double what it was in 2019.  Because of tax changes it's now too costly for us to buy used cars in GB.  Prices are still good in NI, but supplies are more limited.  His place sources cars from GB and sells them across the border, while also getting extra sales in NI as well.  He's taken on extra staff and seems to be a happy camper. 

It's certainly the business to be in now.

 

Used car prices skyrocket to all-time high | Auto Express

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit

 

Via @thetimes

 

Who said there would be no Brexit benefits eh?

 

Mind you there will soon be **** all in the shops to measure in imperial but hey details shhmeeetails

“A pund o mince” or “a quarter of humbugs” etc. Is this the Brexit Bounce we were promised at last???

 

Theres no a pund O Boris hanging the right way!!!

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Great news, the new almshouses can be built in imperial measurements, mead can be sold by the pint, wode garments by the yard, and the sheriff can evict you for not paying the window tax (in groats).

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2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit

 

Via @thetimes

 

Who said there would be no Brexit benefits eh?

 

Mind you there will soon be **** all in the shops to measure in imperial but hey details shhmeeetails

I'll be honest, I wouldn't have a ****ing clue what they were talking about, the only imperial I know is foot and inches. 

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2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit

 

Via @thetimes

 

Who said there would be no Brexit benefits eh?

 

Mind you there will soon be **** all in the shops to measure in imperial but hey details shhmeeetails

 

I won't be touching those places with a 3 metre barge pole.

 

I'm not learning a more complicated system and I'm not supporting gammon traders.

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The cost of implementing the imperial system will be colossal. It's all very well saying that we will now transfer to a different system but I doubt they have considered the recalibration of weighing instruments, the manufacture and calibration of new standards(weights, length and volume) which local authorities will have to bear(and the housing of these same articles) and the training of new Weights and Measures Inspectors who will ultimately have to advise and enforce the new regulations. Schools will have to re-educate kids in a system that was being withdrawn as far back as the mid-1800's in favour of the metric system. An utter waste of time and money. This makes me so angry as little englanders will lap it up

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Just more pathetic culture wars and "back to the good old days" pish which will likely never be used by 95% of traders.

 

Headline grabbing gobshite aimed at the auld dears that read the Mail and Express.

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Yet another, “Look there’s a squirrel” tactic to divert attention away from this mendacious government and its world-leading levels of incompetence. Imperial measures won’t happen, for 101 very good reasons.

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When I was at college in the late 60s we had to learn both imperial and metric and pass exams using both. There must now be an age group up to my age of 68 that never used or were tested on the imperial measurement system. Who is going to educate all these millions of people on how to work with it. 
It was fine back then when I learned both particularly the metric system which was easy as it was basically based on 10. To try now to revert back imperial is utter madness but then so was Brexit. We are of course run by mad lunatic MPs so it should not surprise us. 

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What’s next?

Back to £s, shillings and pence?

The people “running” the UK have taken leave of their senses. Having already cost businesses through their handing of the exit from the EU, they are now compounding their stupidity with nonsensical changes that are not remotely necessary, costing those businesses even more. 
 

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25 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

What’s next?

Back to £s, shillings and pence?

The people “running” the UK have taken leave of their senses. Having already cost businesses through their handing of the exit from the EU, they are now compounding their stupidity with nonsensical changes that are not remotely necessary, costing those businesses even more. 
 

 

Going back to old money would mean a Pound going from 100 pence to 240 pence.

 

More than doubling all of your money, instantly.

 

Economy saved.

 

Boris is a feckin genius.

 

:gok:

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15 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

Who’s going to invent a calculator that can add up in imperial measurements. 

It’s actually quite simple. You simply convert it to metric, do your calculations and convert it back to imperial. Much more convenient than just using metric in the first place. :smug: 

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2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Yet another, “Look there’s a squirrel” tactic to divert attention away from this mendacious government and its world-leading levels of incompetence. Imperial measures won’t happen, for 101 very good reasons.

 

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

 

Going back to old money would mean a Pound going from 100 pence to 240 pence.

 

More than doubling all of your money, instantly.

 

Economy saved.

 

Boris is a feckin genius.

 

:gok:

So Scotland will be using a different currency, after all.

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Cow with BSE dies in Somerset.

 

Another Brexit bonus. Thank god we're free of all those regulations.

Another total export ban will sort out all the chaos at the border.

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This woman was interviewed on BBC about business issues & escalating costs. When she mentioned "brexit" they edited out her comment.

Here's her reality in the UK today.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Auldbenches said:

Is there anyone on here who was pro Brexit and still thinks it's worth it? 

 

They could've left without the problems, but they tried to be Big Bosses with the EU and now they've fecked it up for the young team. It should've been different and it can, but not with these Bullies at the helm.

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New Foreign Secretary has vowed that this Autumn Global Britain (Great nation) will 'plant it's flag on the world stage'

 

Aye nae bother love. 

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

They could've left without the problems, but they tried to be Big Bosses with the EU and now they've fecked it up for the young team. It should've been different and it can, but not with these Bullies at the helm.

I'm not sure it could have been any different. To leave the EU in any real sense had to mean leaving the Single Market. If we remained in the Single Market it would have meant abiding by EU decisions rules and jurisdiciton without any say in the making or enforcing of those rules. When Farage and the ERG kept deriding negotiations as not really being "Brexit" this is what they meant. It was always going to end with a version close to the current shit show. "Brexit means Brexit" did mean something in the end and this mess is it.

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2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

New Foreign Secretary has vowed that this Autumn Global Britain (Great nation) will 'plant it's flag on the world stage'

 

Aye nae bother love. 

They really are obsessed with this Global Britain stuff. Just playing to the worst of the Rule Britannia mob and deflecting from the Brexit fallout. Every idea they come up with is "world leading" or "groundbreaking".

The French aren't as annoyed at Johnson as they are at Biden and Morrison, over the nuclear submarines, because they know that the UK was just doing as the US told them to do, again. Johnson trying to say it shows our influence in world affairs. 

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1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

They really are obsessed with this Global Britain stuff. Just playing to the worst of the Rule Britannia mob and deflecting from the Brexit fallout. Every idea they come up with is "world leading" or "groundbreaking".

It works though.

 

It plays to the core audience and they lap it up and believe that Britain is a major player.

 

Truss is all over the papers today with shite like 'freedoms need to be defended' whilst the reality of Global Britain (Great Nation) is that the supermarket shelves are empty, inflation is on the verge of exploding as utility prices are rocketing (because the Tories took us out the EU internal energy market, which regulates prices amongst members and guess what we're paying the highest in Europe now) and we're worried about puffing our chest out with the Billy Big Baws routine and weighing stuff in pounds and ounces.

 

The UK is on the bones of its arse economically, politically and morally.

 

 

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