Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

No they aren't

 

There was no majority voting in favour of this hardest of Brexits,  none. Nobody voted for this shit show,  nobody.

 

If anyone on here says that they did they are lying, trolling or **** stupid.

 

There was nothing on the ballet paper saying what kind of Brexit you were voting for 

 

No point in greeting and getting angry now though.

 

 

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

No they aren't

 

There was no majority voting in favour of this hardest of Brexits,  none. Nobody voted for this shit show,  nobody.

 

If anyone on here says that they did they are lying, trolling or **** stupid.

 

 

This Brexit was always an option wasn't it? We didn't vote on what Brexit would look like so anyone who voted for it was assumably happy this may be the outcome.

[Savage Vince]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m not gloating in any way but if these things had been caused by say Scottish Indy lots of people would be losing their shit. 

 

I love gloating to the plebs about Brexit. Its one of my favourite pastimes. They deserve full contempt for their stupidly and if they can't afford to not freeze to death this winter then I won't be losing a moments sleep. **** them. 😉

[Savage Vince]

11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

 

 

No point in greeting and getting angry now though.

 

 

 

Why? 

[Konrad von Carstein]

11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There was nothing on the ballet paper saying what kind of Brexit you were voting for 

 

No point in greeting and getting angry now though.

 

 

Greeting? No. Angry, you bet.

[Konrad von Carstein]

10 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

This Brexit was always an option wasn't it? We didn't vote on what Brexit would look like so anyone who voted for it was assumably happy this may be the outcome.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

 

 

Why is that funny? 

 

I don't remember it being detailed what Brexit would look like, I may be wrong though, which is why I asked.

 

Certainly lots of Brexiteers did want this, so I'm assuming they must have believed it was on the table when they voted for it.

[Nucky Thompson]

5 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Why? 

Because it's not going to change anything 

[Savage Vince]

15 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Because it's not going to change anything 

 

People getting angry with their government is exactly what changes things. 

[Beni]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Why is that funny? 

 

I don't remember it being detailed what Brexit would look like, I may be wrong though, which is why I asked.

 

Certainly lots of Brexiteers did want this, so I'm assuming they must have believed it was on the table when they voted for it.

 

It's hard to square what some of Brexit's leading proponents said about a hard Brexit before and after the vote.

A cynic might conclude that they are a bunch of lying charlatans. 

 

 

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

It's hard to square what some of Brexit's leading proponents said about a hard Brexit before and after the vote.

A cynic might conclude that they are a bunch of lying charlatans. 

 

 

 

Never mind a cynic, anyone with a brain can recognise that. They were a bunch of lying charlatans then, as they are now. This vision of Brexit was never, ever off the table (from memory), despite how they may have spun it in interviews. Voting for it was imo always opening up the opportunity for where we are today. Farage and his ilk never for a second wanted us to be like Norway or Switzerland imo. Whilst people didn't necessarily vote for it, they didn't vote against it...unless they voted remain. Unfortunately not enough people did.

[JudyJudyJudy]

49 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There was nothing on the ballet paper saying what kind of Brexit you were voting for 

 

No point in greeting and getting angry now though.

 

 

Brexit meant Brexit . All out . Simple as that . No agreements etc on anything . On our own . That’s how I read it and voted No to it . You’d be surprised how many people did want a full brexit 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh well no use crying over spilt milk now . It was a democratic decision . Least everything is going really well here in Scotland 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Never mind a cynic, anyone with a brain can recognise that. They were a bunch of lying charlatans then, as they are now. This vision of Brexit was never, ever off the table (from memory), despite how they may have spun it in interviews. Voting for it was imo always opening up the opportunity for where we are today. Farage and his ilk never for a second wanted us to be like Norway or Switzerland imo. Whilst people didn't necessarily vote for it, they didn't vote against it...unless they voted remain. Unfortunately not enough people did.

Correct 

[jack D and coke]

12 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

It's hard to square what some of Brexit's leading proponents said about a hard Brexit before and after the vote.

A cynic might conclude that they are a bunch of lying charlatans. 

 

 

Farage still gets airtime…incredible. 
I seen him ripping into Scotland on that toy town TV station he’s on the other day. 
I wish it was more mainstream tbh. We need people like him to fire us up.
Get the big bag of chips on our shoulders☺️

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Farage still gets airtime…incredible. 
I seen him ripping into Scotland on that toy town TV station he’s on the other day. 
I wish it was more mainstream tbh. We need people like him to fire us up.
Get the big bag of chips on our shoulders☺️

Just have the same rules as the EUref. English, Irish and Welsh can do what the Polish, French, Germans and other EU citizens had to do when the UK barred them from voting. Sit and watch as Scots take back Power.

 

 

 

Tick Tick!

[Konrad von Carstein]

48 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Why is that funny? 

 

I don't remember it being detailed what Brexit would look like, I may be wrong though, which is why I asked.

 

Certainly lots of Brexiteers did want this, so I'm assuming they must have believed it was on the table when they voted for it.

Subsequent posts explain my, angst ridden, hilarity

[Victorian]

By the time it became apparent that it would be better to define the nature of Brexit we would have,  it wasn't too late to slow down and perform a definition of the kind of Brexit we should have.  Not cancel it.  Not revisit the vote.  To amplify on the outcome of the vote.  There was time and space to do it.  But the Brexit vandals wouldn't have it.  It was all about getting the win.  Getting the 'W' in sporting vernacular.  The realisation of zealotry,  obsession and personal political gain.

[jack D and coke]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Just have the same rules as the EUref. English, Irish and Welsh can do what the Polish, French, Germans and other EU citizens had to do when the UK barred them from voting. Sit and watch as Scots take back Power.

 

 

 

Tick Tick!

[jambo89]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

No they aren't

 

There was no majority voting in favour of this hardest of Brexits,  none. Nobody voted for this shit show,  nobody.

 

If anyone on here says that they did they are lying, trolling or **** stupid.

 

 

I did. One of the main reasons I voted for Brexit was that I believed it would bring Scottish independence closer. The messier the Brexit, the better in my opinion. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

No they aren't

 

There was no majority voting in favour of this hardest of Brexits,  none. Nobody voted for this shit show,  nobody.

 

If anyone on here says that they did they are lying, trolling or **** stupid.

 

All of the above I think. 
How anyone can defend this utter shit show is beyond belief.

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

 

I did. One of the main reasons I voted for Brexit was that I believed it would bring Scottish independence closer. The messier the Brexit, the better in my opinion. 

I voted to remain but when the vote came in I realised it had opened the door further for Independence. Unfortunately things have had to get this bad, and will get worse but will see us achieve our ultimate goal. People have to now realise there’s a better way to run our country. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

 

I did. One of the main reasons I voted for Brexit was that I believed it would bring Scottish independence closer. The messier the Brexit, the better in my opinion. 

 

[Ked]

2 hours ago, Smithee said:

Maybe, but I fear that, like the Trumpets in America, the arseholes of the UK will just keep doubling down and doubling down, blaming the EU, Sturgeon, socialism and Corbyn

Your fear is well founded.

 

[Savage Vince]

25 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

All of the above I think. 
How anyone can defend this utter shit show is beyond belief.

 

I think they've moved on from defending it to saying 'och well, it's done now.' 🙄😁

[Beni]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Never mind a cynic, anyone with a brain can recognise that. They were a bunch of lying charlatans then, as they are now. This vision of Brexit was never, ever off the table (from memory), despite how they may have spun it in interviews. Voting for it was imo always opening up the opportunity for where we are today. Farage and his ilk never for a second wanted us to be like Norway or Switzerland imo. Whilst people didn't necessarily vote for it, they didn't vote against it...unless they voted remain. Unfortunately not enough people did.

 

It's true that this (or any) version of Brexit was never off the table, but I think it's useful to remember that what was said by Brexiteers during the campaign bears no resemblance to what they said in the aftermath of the vote.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by Beni

[Taffin]

14 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

It's true that this (or any) version of Brexit was never off the table, but I think it's useful to remember that what was said during the campaign bears no resemblance to what was said in the aftermath of the vote.

 

It bears a reasonable resemblance to what those campaigning against said would (or could) happen.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nawo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Britain-Stronger-In-Europe-Key-Briefings.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjbsL_BzY3zAhWJERQKHazBAykQFnoECFYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw03yNRIRIYv0Si4T3uW55xE

 

The idea that people were misled and it wasn't their fault is a fallacy imo, they just chose to believe the wrong people...those with a track record of lying. It was unsailed waters and the idea that it was all going to be rainbows and union flags whilst we were taking back control but remaining Swiss-style best friends with the EU was just never going to happen. People either knew that and didn't care or where unbelievably naive/stupid. 

 

Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm absolutely giving no inch of leeway to people who voted for this mess. Whether it's what they wanted or they believed they were getting something else makes them no less cretinous for me.

 

 

Edit: and yes, it still makes me angry 😂

Edited September 20, 2021 by Taffin

[Des Lynam]

2 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

I love gloating to the plebs about Brexit. Its one of my favourite pastimes. They deserve full contempt for their stupidly and if they can't afford to not freeze to death this winter then I won't be losing a moments sleep. **** them. 😉

In fairness there is utter plebs on both sides. Imagine having this representing you in Europe. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Savage Vince]

4 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

In fairness there is utter plebs on both sides. Imagine having this representing you in Europe. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I got as far as the guy accusing her of scaremongering regarding all the things that are actually happening now and getting worse?

Edited September 20, 2021 by Savage Vince

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

In fairness there is utter plebs on both sides. Imagine having this representing you in Europe. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

That's aged well. Glad there's no disruption to our transport.

 

"How?"

[Des Lynam]

4 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Sorry, I got as far as the guy accusing her of scaremongering regarding all the things that are actually happening now and getting worse?

I was meaning the fact she hadn’t even read the white paper on it. I’ll admit I’ve made an arse of that! 

[Don Dan]

Brexiteers are like householders whole house has demolished in a storm and are clutching to their insurance policy in the belief it is covered. They are in for shock when the agent tells them they are not covered and have lost everything. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Savage Vince said:

 

I think they've moved on from defending it to saying 'och well, it's done now.' 🙄😁

🙈

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Des Lynam said:

In fairness there is utter plebs on both sides. Imagine having this representing you in Europe. 
 

 

 

 

 

Can’t stand the Lib Dema but she’s spot on here. 

[WorldChampions1902]

47 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Brexiteers are like householders whole house has demolished in a storm and are clutching to their insurance policy in the belief it is covered. They are in for shock when the agent tells them they are not covered and have lost everything. 

I preferred this quote:-

 

[WorldChampions1902]

October 2016 article. And they shouted, “Project Fear!”

 

[Nucky Thompson]

23 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

October 2016 article. And they shouted, “Project Fear!”

 

If only we had stayed in the EU 

 

Europe faces a winter energy crisis years in the making (worldoil.com)

 

 

 

 

[Ked]

5 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

I love gloating to the plebs about Brexit. Its one of my favourite pastimes. They deserve full contempt for their stupidly and if they can't afford to not freeze to death this winter then I won't be losing a moments sleep. **** them. 😉

Again it's not quite as simple as brexit for the rise in fuel costs .

But enjoy your peaceful sleep.

 

[Pans Jambo]

Boris’s Brexit promises:

 

£350million for the NHS - Lie! ❌
No food shortages - Lie! ❌
Food will be cheaper - Lie! ❌
No barriers to trade - Lie! ❌
Manufacturing safe - Lie! ❌
No regression on rights - Lie! ❌
No tax rises - Lie! ❌
Pensions triple locked - Lie! ❌
40 new hospitals - Lie! ❌

 

And last but not least…

Cheaper gas bills - Lie! ❌

 

[ri Alban]

No gas to keep food safe or kill livestock humanely (Whatever that means).

 

 

Again, Scotland produces more than enough to supply it's population, yet we're gonnae be transported back to the 70s with power cuts and working days cut.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

21 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

 

Scotland produces more than enough to supply it's population, yet we're gonnae be transported back to the 70s with power cuts and working days cut.

 

 

 

I'd be up for that if it also meant terracing and unsavory songs back at Tynecastle.

[ri Alban]

Only thread I can put this. Can't seem to access the others. 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I'd be up for that if it also meant terracing and unsavory songs back at Tynecastle.

Terracing is on its way 👍 Can't say the same for the songs, tho .

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I'd be up for that if it also meant terracing and unsavory songs back at Tynecastle.

 

If everyone wore masks we'd be halfway there

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

If only we had stayed in the EU 

 

Europe faces a winter energy crisis years in the making (worldoil.com)

 

 

 

 

 

Yip, there are many things which you could argue that brexit has had an impact on, but the World wide rise in gas prices isn't one of them I'm afraid.  And this is a World wide problem, it isn't just the UK facing problems over the price and or supply of gas.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Ulysses]

On 19/09/2021 at 10:49, Ked said:

Is it not a bit simplistic to blame brexit.

The UK has more dependency on renewables and far less coal usage.

Wind generated power downturn  along with gas price rises has contributed to recent rises is how I understood the current situation.

Is there something I've missed that would point the blame at brexit?

 

 

 

The UK's dependency on renewables is only slightly higher than the EU's.  The UK left the EU internal energy market.  A new electricity framework is to be set up during 2021 and come into effect in 2022, but in the meantime UK electricity providers who want to participate in the EU's wholesale markets have to register directly with EU regulatory authorities.  I've no idea how many did or didn't, but even if they did the fact that there are now two separate markets for bidding and offering prices on electricity would have to lead to a divergence.  How much of that can be attributed to Brexit and how much to the way the trade agreement was negotiated is a question for market experts.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Ulysses

[Roxy Hearts]

9 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

That's aged well. Glad there's no disruption to our transport.

 

"How?"

What a twat! Typical, parochial fool of Brit media.

[Don Dan]

Interesting off topic point about the EU. 
How will Poland react to this penalty and judgement? 
 

https://apple.news/Am80VSymPTk2Q2ARd-t466Q

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Poland will have to pay a 500,000 euro ($585,550) daily penalty to the European Commission for defying an earlier court order to halt operations at its Turow open-pit lignite mine, Europe’s top court said on Monday.

The order, which a Polish deputy minister called “aggression,” comes amid a dragging dispute between coal-reliant Poland and the Czech Republic.

The Czech government says the mine is damaging communities along its side of the border, and it subsequently took its grievance to the European Commission which last year started legal proceedings against Poland, saying Warsaw had breached EU law when extending the mine’s life.

The Czech Republic also took its case to the Luxembourg-based Court of Justice of the European Union, Europe’s highest, and won judges’ backing for a temporary order to Poland to stop Turow’s operations until a final judgment in the case - which Warsaw has rejected.

[Malinga the Swinga]

There are no Brexiteers or Remainers any more. It's done, gone and finished.

Doesn't matter if you voted stay, as I did, or leave.

All that matters is how we progress in future.

What's the point in gloating and point scoring cause it won't change anything.

[Taffin]

3 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

There are no Brexiteers or Remainers any more. It's done, gone and finished.

Doesn't matter if you voted stay, as I did, or leave.

All that matters is how we progress in future.

What's the point in gloating and point scoring cause it won't change anything.

 

Because it's a total mess and the people who caused it shouldn't be allowed to just shrug their shoulders and go "oops, let's just move on".

 

It matters massively how people voted.