frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said: I liked Michelle Thomson. Found guilty of nowt. Are we not capitalists? That may be the case but the SNP binned her and we were left with no MP to do constituency work in effect. Lib Dems put much more effort into the local politics with regular newsletters through the door, and Christine Jardine helped me resolve a financial dispute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, frankblack said: That may be the case but the SNP binned her and we were left with no MP to do constituency work in effect. Lib Dems put much more effort into the local politics with regular newsletters through the door, and Christine Jardine helped me resolve a financial dispute. She'll be re-elected in about a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: She'll be re-elected in about a month. Pretty safe Lib Dem seat mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, frankblack said: Pretty safe Lib Dem seat mate. 1 minute ago, Gorgiewave said: I've no idea what that means, sorry. Just wondering why. Might just be my phone. Nothing sinister, just asking. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: Just wondering why. Might just be my phone. Nothing sinister, just asking. 👍 I can see it on my computer as well but I've no idea what's caused it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Just wondering why. Might just be my phone. Nothing sinister, just asking. 👍 It's the same for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, frankblack said: That may be the case but the SNP binned her and we were left with no MP to do constituency work in effect. Lib Dems put much more effort into the local politics with regular newsletters through the door, and Christine Jardine helped me resolve a financial dispute. Fair enough fb. Good to know an MP doing their job although Jardine comes across as sneaky wee snake. Hope Michelle gets back into politics though. Fed up with their leaflets and empty rhetoric, they think we're as dumb as them! They certainly have some loathsome characters. With Labour and Tories you sort of know what you'll get but that lot? Swinson is a poor leader and don't know where to start with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, frankblack said: Customs Union is tied to freedom of movement and effectively no Brexit. How is it no Brexit? Britain leaves the EU, make all it's own laws and can maintain it's full economic relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Fair enough fb. Good to know an MP doing their job although Jardine comes across as sneaky wee snake. Hope Michelle gets back into politics though. Fed up with their leaflets and empty rhetoric, they think we're as dumb as them! They certainly have some loathsome characters. With Labour and Tories you sort of know what you'll get but that lot? Swinson is a poor leader and don't know where to start with her. Cheers. I had a lot of sympathy for Michelle and felt her party let her down to avoid being associated if charges did get pressed. Can't stand Swinson TBH but they will soak up a lot of Labour voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Two dozen balding white gentlemen are standing outside a Wetherspoons in central London, singing about Boris, Trump and Tommy Robinson, throwing seig heils and having a wonderful time. About three times their number of police officers have them kettled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: How is it no Brexit? Britain leaves the EU, make all it's own laws and can maintain it's full economic relationships. Its quite simple - they can't control immigration, which is one of the primary factors in Brexit so is a red line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, Cade said: Two dozen balding white gentlemen are standing outside a Wetherspoons in central London, singing about Boris, Trump and Tommy Robinson, throwing seig heils and having a wonderful time. About three times their number of police officers have them kettled. It seems that all the loonies from all sides are out in force intimidating the MPs they don't like according to BBC news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its quite simple - they can't control immigration, which is one of the primary factors in Brexit so is a red line. Worth a read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/britain-take-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: It seems that all the loonies from all sides are out in force intimidating the MPs they don't like according to BBC news. I seen those halfwits hounding Leadsome. They should be buckled for that sort of behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, frankblack said: Cheers. I had a lot of sympathy for Michelle and felt her party let her down to avoid being associated if charges did get pressed. Can't stand Swinson TBH but they will soak up a lot of Labour voters. I think you're correct about Michelle as the SNP get a bad enough press as it is so she was sacrificed, IMO. Labour vote probably split between the 2 main protagonists. Edinburgh West has always had Lib tinge since I've been here. Best mate voted for them in the past but SNP now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cade said: Two dozen balding white gentlemen are standing outside a Wetherspoons in central London, singing about Boris, Trump and Tommy Robinson, throwing seig heils and having a wonderful time. About three times their number of police officers have them kettled. PHM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: PHM. Polis have now moved on them and confiscated all their booze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cade said: Polis have now moved on them and confiscated all their booze. I'd have hoped that the seig heils would be enough for a collaring and perhaps a wee fall down the stairs at the station. Edited October 19, 2019 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham 12m We have instructed Kenny McBrearty QC to draft civil contempt proceedings against the Prime Minister if he does not send the Benn Act letter. We plan to issue these on Monday, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) If Boris attempts to resubmit the withdrawal bill on Monday or Tuesday, then Letwin will be free to submit an amendment similar to today's. Based on the vote for the Letwin amemdment and as much as I don't like it, I think Boris has the numbers he needs to get the main bill over the line. I think he is playing silly buggers just now and would be as well sending the letter, then getting the deal voted through after the pre-requisite legislation is passed in two / three / four weeks time. Edited October 19, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 People backed Letwin because they want to make sure that if they vote for The Deal, it actually sticks and the ERG maniacs and Boris can't then drop it and force No-Deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: If Boris attempts to resubmit the withdrawal bill on Monday or Tuesday, then Letwin will be free to submit an amendment similar to today's. Based on the vote for the Letwin amemdment and as much as I don't like it, I think Boris has the numbers he needs to get the main bill over the line. I think he is playing silly buggers just now and would be as well sending the letter, then getting the deal voted through after the pre-requisite legislation is passed in two / three / four weeks time. Said on TV that 7 MP's who voted for the Letwin amendment have stated that they will vote for Boris' deal, the Letwin vote won by 16, so if 7 switch then that's only 2 more votes Johnson needs for his deal to pass, looks like it's gonna be close, very close. I have no doubts that an extension letter will be sent to the EU tonight, whether by Johnson himself or by someone else in the government, folks getting all worked up (not you) over what Johnson said in the commons, remember it's politicians we're dealing with and it's all a play on words. Boris Johnson can apply for an extension, he just doesn't need to negotiate how long the extension is for, thereby abiding by the law and also sticking to what he said in the commons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Said on TV that 7 MP's who voted for the Letwin amendment have stated that they will vote for Boris' deal, the Letwin vote won by 16, so if 7 switch then that's only 2 more votes Johnson needs for his deal to pass, looks like it's gonna be close, very close. I have no doubts that an extension letter will be sent to the EU tonight, whether by Johnson himself or by someone else in the government, folks getting all worked up (not you) over what Johnson said in the commons, remember it's politicians we're dealing with and it's all a play on words. Boris Johnson can apply for an extension, he just doesn't need to negotiate how long the extension is for, thereby abiding by the law and also sticking to what he said in the commons. The Benn Act already states the extension date to be requested as 31 January 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, RobboM said: The Benn Act already states the extension date to be requested as 31 January 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, RobboM said: The Benn Act already states the extension date to be requested as 31 January 2020 Then all Johnson needs to do is say that he's applying for an extension under the terms of the Benn Act, which means he still doesn't need to negotiate anything as the date is already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Sturgeon will cry hard about no deal when she is the reason it happened. Go figure that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Then all Johnson needs to do is say that he's applying for an extension under the terms of the Benn Act, which means he still doesn't need to negotiate anything as the date is already there. Johnson is not to be trusted hence the pre-prepared letter just need a signature from the man described as slippery as a "greased pig" by both David Cameron AND Jennifer Arcuri 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Rumours that dup will vote in favour of another referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeon will cry hard about no deal when she is the reason it happened. Go figure that. Must be fun trying to come up with new ways to get a reaction from people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeon will cry hard about no deal when she is the reason it happened. Go figure that. 😂😂 Wtf?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeon will cry hard about no deal when she is the reason it happened. Go figure that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 The cult of Sturgeon doesn't apply to me. I see through her charade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, RobboM said: Johnson is not to be trusted hence the pre-prepared letter just need a signature from the man described as slippery as a "greased pig" by both David Cameron AND Jennifer Arcuri 😁 He's a politician, therefore by definition he can't be trusted, in saying that, there are some politicians who tell smallish fibs, and then there are others who tell bigger porkies, then you have the premier league, who, are on an altogether different level, needless to say Mr. Johnson is in the top division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said: Rumours that dup will vote in favour of another referendum DUP have gone full circle now - the deal could potentially limit their ability to control the future of Northern Ireland so when cornered come out guns a blazing against the people forcing their hand. They're ready to knife Boris in order to remain relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Sturgeon will cry hard about no deal when she is the reason it happened. Go figure that. Jesus, it's just random spoutings from you. You seem to hate everyone and everything. As Trump would say: So Sad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: He's a politician, therefore by definition he can't be trusted, in saying that, there are some politicians who tell smallish fibs, and then there are others who tell bigger porkies, then you have the premier league, who, are on an altogether different level, needless to say Mr. Johnson is in the top division. His propensity for telling fibs long predates his time as a politician. He did it when he was a journo to generate headlines. Serial philanderer too. He's inherently untrustworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 If the DUP is saying that then it's an empty or desperate threat to try to force no deal. A party that has acted like the DUP would normally face total obliteration in a democracy. But they exist in a place where people vote along sectarian lines. They might know that the DUP don't represent their interests but they don't care. Voting for the DUP is set in stone to counter the other community voting for their party. Rancid little cesspit that it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, frankblack said: Its quite simple - they can't control immigration, which is one of the primary factors in Brexit so is a red line. Britain could already control its immigration in the EU and certainly could in the outline agreement that would be agreed between EU and a Labour Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, frankblack said: Its quite simple - they can't control immigration, which is one of the primary factors in Brexit so is a red line. But it's still Brecit Your approach risks Brexit not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, Taffin said: 😂😂 Wtf?!? This. I mean we all have our own political outlook, but that is just bizarre, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: If Boris attempts to resubmit the withdrawal bill on Monday or Tuesday, then Letwin will be free to submit an amendment similar to today's. Based on the vote for the Letwin amemdment and as much as I don't like it, I think Boris has the numbers he needs to get the main bill over the line. I think he is playing silly buggers just now and would be as well sending the letter, then getting the deal voted through after the pre-requisite legislation is passed in two / three / four weeks time. Probably just politics. Making a division between delivering Brexit (him) and stopping it (everyone else). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: His propensity for telling fibs long predates his time as a politician. He did it when he was a journo to generate headlines. Serial philanderer too. He's inherently untrustworthy. Then by being a politician he has truely found his calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Curious that it refers to BST when we'll be back to GMT by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Bercow has warned Moggy that he is unlikely to allow Boris to bring his deal back on monday as it is only being brought back in order to disrupt and stymie what Parliament voted for today. As I said earlier, he's also said that HE will send the extension letter on monday, if instructed to by the Scottish court or if MPs in the commons ask him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: He's a politician, therefore by definition he can't be trusted, in saying that, there are some politicians who tell smallish fibs, and then there are others who tell bigger porkies, then you have the premier league, who, are on an altogether different level, needless to say Mr. Johnson is in the top division. it's worn like a badge of honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Then by being a politician he has truely found his calling. Donald Tusk now saying he's waiting for a letter requesting an extension. All brinkmanship... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Can someone tell me if it’s true that certain Tories and others in power will benefit financially if there is an EU Exit on or before 31st January 2020 due to new EU tax laws being brought in with regards to off-shore investments/accounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 EU remains a single bloc singing from the same hymn sheet. The UK is fractured into shards. Tories and Labour are not only fighting among themselves but their factions are also fighting within each other. We're weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cade said: Bercow has warned Moggy that he is unlikely to allow Boris to bring his deal back on monday as it is only being brought back in order to disrupt and stymie what Parliament voted for today. As I said earlier, he's also said that HE will send the extension letter on monday, if instructed to by the Scottish court or if MPs in the commons ask him to. Does the Speaker have the authority to send a letter on behalf of the government? Just curious if it would actually be legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Swanny17 said: Can someone tell me if it’s true that certain Tories and others in power will benefit financially if there is an EU Exit on or before 31st January 2020 due to new EU tax laws being brought in with regards to off-shore investments/accounts? True. Also true that many tory donors have sunk hundreds of millions into bets shorting the pound. Actually betting against britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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