Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Brighton Jambo]

Saying on BBC news that they are clearly positioning this to be unconstitutional and so won’t be put forward for royal assent so won’t be law.  

Edited September 3, 2019 by Brighton Jambo

[Costanza]

It's funny reading the logistical handstands of those criticising Tories for supporting the anti no deal bill but not the Tories who voted against Theresa May's bill preventing a Brexit deal.

 

 

Almost as funny as anyone believing the current government is serious about negotiating a deal

 

 

[dobmisterdobster]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Saying on BBC news that they are clearly positioning this to be unconstitutional and so won’t be put forward for royal assent so won’t be law.  No deal it is then.  

I knew it!

They want to force the PM to ask for an extension and accept it while blocking an election.

Not going to happen.

[Cade]

Okay then Moggy, if it's all a matter of what is and is not constitutional, we'll put everything on hold and let the courts decide matters, shall we?

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Okay then Moggy, if it's all a matter of what is and is not constitutional, we'll put everything on hold and let the courts decide matters, shall we?

 

 

Rats in a sack.

[CJGJ]

17 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I have to say I thought this was a fairly masterful performance from JRM.  He’s a Baffoon but whatever they chuck at him he had a smooth response particularly on the procedural issues.  

 

He is quite hypnotic to watch, almost literally like a snake .  

Good troll

 

He's a joke, was a joke and will continue to be a joke

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Sound like this time it could be for real.  They will be loosely aligned in that they would both be conservative in nature but they would not take direction from WM and would set own direction on all policies.  I really hope they do it this time.  

So a Caledonian DUP. Great...

 

No wonder Davidson resigned. Leader in name only. Her Scottish MPs didn’t give a hoot about her or the party in Scotland as they are supping from Westminster’s teat. Not dissimilar to labour mps attitudes to their msp compatriots back in the day.

[dobmisterdobster]

3 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Good troll

 

He's a joke, was a joke and will continue to be a joke

Can't clog the Mogg

[SE16 3LN]

35 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

If you mean the dispatch box, I believe they have to be MPs, so not Farage.

😂😂

[Craig_]

Blackford just said the tories were acting like a cult. Think I might have misheard...

[Mikey1874]

Boris reported to be open to agreeing to this

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49566657

 

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Mikey1874

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

Boris reported to be open to agreeing to this

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49566657

 

 

Which would give norn iron different status to other parts of the UK which would merely move the problem. 

[dobmisterdobster]

2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

You did, he actually admitted the SNP are a cult, I think. 

I'm not saying he's wrong there.

[LeftBack]

Ken Clarke outstanding as usual. Imo

[AlphonseCapone]

6 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Surely there must be some worry that the 'London HQ' line of argument, wonderfully expressed by your good self as 'supping from Westminster's teat', disappears. 

 

Two ways to look at it; removes the "branch party" criticism but it's also another crack in the link between Scotland and RUK. 

[gashauskis9]

8 minutes ago, LeftBack said:

Ken Clarke outstanding as usual. Imo

This.  Great man and servant.  Not many left like him on that side of the house.

 

Meanwhile, Raffles the Gentleman thug is having a wee lie down on the front bench 😡

Edited September 3, 2019 by Gashauskis9

[redjambo]

37 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

oh no, Ian Blackford. Mutes.

 

That's what I thought too, but he was actually quite good.

[pharmaceutical01]

On 02/09/2019 at 18:59, Victorian said:

Johnson is trying to snake a new mandate on the back of Brexit Party votes.    The Brexit Party menaced him by threatening direct opposition in every seat at any upcoming election if he didn't proceed to a no-deal exit.     The implication is that if he delivers a no-deal then they'll stand aside.     The vote share of those not voting for the Tories will be split,    therefore maximising the Tories' chances of retaining power and getting a parliamentary majority.    

 

This election is not an election.     It's a referendum tribute act.     Up for grabs are all the usual general election goodies.

Healthcare is devolved so would make this doubly difficult 

[Brighton Jambo]

33 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Good troll

 

He's a joke, was a joke and will continue to be a joke

I enjoy watching him. I don’t agree with anything the cones out of his mouth but he is pure theatre when he speaks.  

[Don Dan]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Tories in open civil war.  

Opposition benches just have to sit there and watch them tear each other to pieces.

 

The Labour Party are at sixes and sevens as well. Jeremy wants an election but others want to hold off. They are not at all happy with Jeremy. 

This Bill when is passed will trigger an election called by Johnson. It will be interesting how Jeremy responds when Johnson calls for one.

 

[Mikey1874]

28 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Which would give norn iron different status to other parts of the UK which would merely move the problem. 

 

Which was the original problem.

 

DUP refused to accept May's original proposal of N.Ireland only arrangement. 

[pharmaceutical01]

Thought Nick Boles spoke from the heart especially when talking about being taken from the hospital ward to vote for article 50

[AlphonseCapone]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Which was the original problem.

 

DUP refused to accept May's original proposal of N.Ireland only arrangement. 

 

Thing is, there are already examples of it now with animals. So this rhetoric about borders in the Irish Sea is already a reality. And most of the supporters of the DUP probably don't even know any better because it makes zero difference to the radges in the Shankhill.

 

Most of the backstop arrangements would be the same but they've whipped up such a frenzy now and made it a "battle for the union".

[LeftBack]

Wonder if David Cameron is watching. 

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Thing is, there are already examples of it now with animals. So this rhetoric about borders in the Irish Sea is already a reality. And most of the supporters of the DUP probably don't even know any better because it makes zero difference to the radges in the Shankhill.

 

Most of the backstop arrangements would be the same but they've whipped up such a frenzy now and made it a "battle for the union".

 

DUP just, I believe wish to undermine the peace agreement 

[Ibrahim Tall]

17 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Equally, could be viewed as strengthening the UK. 

 

 

Hardly, it would makes ‘Scottish’ votes even more irrelevant than they are currently. As the only two possible parties electable as a U.K. government would be reduced to one(labour).

 

At least at the moment the U.K. wide party has to at least pretend it gives a shit about Scotland, an ‘English’ Conservative party wouldn’t have to fulfil the same criteria.

[DETTY29]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The key thing to watch is and count the number of Tories speaking in favour of the motion  and so against the Government.

 

Farage is too busy earning money from the EU. 

And Aaron Banks

[Mikey1874]

These guys are the serious Labour Brexiteers 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

And so it goes

 

 

[Don Dan]

General Election to be called by Johnson is more real now however will the Labour Party and the opposing parties endorse it, if not what next for this Government or indeed the Parliament. It’s not even a Mexican Stand off in fact I’ve no idea how you would describe this situation other than shambolic.

[Ibrahim Tall]

11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

These guys are the serious Labour Brexiteers 

 

 

 

4th time lucky...

 

Kinnock trying to be an eternal loser like his father?

[Cruyff Turn]

That horrible creature Kate Hoey going to vote against it. 

[jake]

6 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

General Election to be called by Johnson is more real now however will the Labour Party and the opposing parties endorse it, if not what next for this Government or indeed the Parliament. It’s not even a Mexican Stand off in fact I’ve no idea how you would describe this situation other than shambolic.

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

[Don Dan]

11 minutes ago, jake said:

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

 

That claim, statement, has been made often in tonight’s debate. 

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Zlatanable said:

Surely there must be some worry that the 'London HQ' line of argument, wonderfully expressed by your good self as 'supping from Westminster's teat', disappears. 

 

Not really. As much as they may cry their (ironic) independence, they'll never bite the hand that feeds.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Boris

[Francis Albert]

7 minutes ago, jake said:

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

 

7 minutes ago, jake said:

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

Quite. I think Parliament voted by a majority of 348 0r so to invoke Article 15 to leave the EU. Parliament has since spent nearly 3 years trying to avoid leaving the EU on any terms. 

[Cade]

[Costanza]

14 minutes ago, jake said:

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

Presumably you wanted the whip taken off Jacob Rees Mogg when he voted against the Withdrawal Agreement?

[AlimOzturk]

1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

That claim, statement, has been made often in tonight’s debate. 

 

13 minutes ago, jake said:

It's called you are not allowed to leave the EU.

 

More to do with intelligent folk know that leaving the EU without a deal is suicidal for the UK's economy.  Many unionists will also feel that the current course of action will more less guarantee the break up of the UK. 

 

The SNP have a whole new agenda  because of Brexit 

 

[Victorian]

Kate Hoey is a mad,  psychotic,  pretend Blairite who has never accepted that the Labour Party moved on from Ed Milliband.        Thankfully not long for politics.

 

Mogg has made an utter arse of himself tonight.      Sprawled across the benches like a tired dog.

[Hasselhoff]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

He is brilliantly polite.

 

He deserves a knighthood for that. 

 

Jacob Reese Mogg isn't polite enough to sit up straight in his seat. Has been slouched, almost horizontal for a while now during the care tonight. Sit up FFS. 

[Boris]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

 

Quite. I think Parliament voted by a majority of 348 0r so to invoke Article 15 to leave the EU. Parliament has since spent nearly 3 years trying to avoid leaving the EU on any terms. 

 

Id say the blame for us not having left is down to the Tory govt.

 

Had we said EEA/EFTA arrangement, it might just have got through. But May had her red lines, in part to placate the ERG, in part the DUP. This shambles is due to appeasing these trumpets, and now they are at the wheel.

 

Imo, of course.

[Brighton Jambo]

31 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

And so it goes

 

 

The idea of him expelling the likes of Ken Clarke will backfire so spectacularly.  I would love Ken Clarke to stand as an independent amongside all the other deselected MPs.  The Lib Dem’s have already offered not to stand in those seats to give the chance for more remain/deal MP’s to be successful.  

[Mikey1874]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

The idea of him expelling the likes of Ken Clarke will backfire so spectacularly.  I would love Ken Clarke to stand as an independent amongside all the other deselected MPs.  The Lib Dem’s have already offered not to stand in those seats to give the chance for more remain/deal MP’s to be successful.  

 

 

[Victorian]

John Baron still spouting the tired old bogus theory about no deal and negotiating positions.    It doesn't apply in this instance as it does in a basic business deal.     A wholly bogus premise pushed by maniacs.

[Cruyff Turn]

6 minutes ago, Cade said:

He got slaughtered for that by Caroline Lucas.

[Cruyff Turn]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Kate Hoey is a mad,  psychotic,  pretend Blairite who has never accepted that the Labour Party moved on from Ed Milliband.        Thankfully not long for politics.

 

Mogg has made an utter arse of himself tonight.      Sprawled across the benches like a tired dog.

Kate Hoey is never a Labour supporter. She’s more, DUP.

[Costanza]

Bang on this tweet

 

 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Zlatanable said:

Equally, could be viewed as strengthening the UK. 

The UK system of government works. The Devolved governments are more representative of their place, opens a new perspective on the East (West) Lothian question. 

It means a UK Gov has a less centralised reality in Govt, with more of an unwritten constitution way, of achieving a sort of federal UK. 

Bit of a stretch IMO but I get your point. 

[Don Dan]

2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

 

More to do with intelligent folk know that leaving the EU without a deal is suicidal for the UK's economy.  Many unionists will also feel that the current course of action will more less guarantee the break up of the UK. 

 

The SNP have a whole new agenda  because of Brexit 

 

 

If no Deal is taken of the table the EU will continue to stick. The only deal we will get is the one we don’t want. 

Now whether or not you believe Johnson wants to leave without one the fact you remove the availability of a hard ball threat is in itself suicidal. 

I want to remain and I hope we do but watching this lot in Parliament  in action 

is laughable lots of intelligence but no common sense.

 

The other observation from tonight is the sheer discourteousness of MPs in the chamber continually talking when someone has the floor. Is it deliberate who knows but it’s totally disrespectful especially to the likes of me who are hoping that they are listening just in case there is epiphany moment (one can only hope🤪)