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Maroon Sailor

It's all black in your world eh?

What did I say likes?

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That you would only vote SNP until Scotland gets Independence

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Space Mackerel

That you would only vote SNP until Scotland gets Independence

Yep. Dems the facts.

I doubt that Scotland would become the place you described, got any case studies that you could back up for reference?

 

 

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Bowmans_Boot

Makes no odds - they'll still be useless at the day job at Holyrood

Except they are far from useless. Hence people keep voting for them.

 

I find the media bias against the SNP: only interested in independence, havent done anything while in power etc etc, tired, false and insulting to the general public.

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Except they are far from useless. Hence people keep voting for them.

 

I find the media bias against the SNP: only interested in independence, havent done anything while in power etc etc, tired, false and insulting to the general public.

Paragraph 1 - a non sequitur.

 

Paragraph 2 - the defining purpose of the SNP is Independence and if you engage your critical faculties you will understand that aim to be the underpinning of everything they do.

 

Media bias - it's all about perspective. To many in Scotland, the SNP are the Celtic of politics - they get an easy ride from the media and seem to be immune from criticism.

 

They have achieved in power - they have managed to foster a mood of grievance by failing or refusing to mitigate the "excesses" of the Tory Government. Beyond that, they have done very little beyond what could have been achieved by the Regional Councils.

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Universalism is fine, as long as there is an endless stream of money to pay for it

It was that approach that meant when the big crash happened in 2008 there were no reserves left , no resilience.

everything should be means tested that comes from the tax pot so that it can  be targeted at those who need it

 

example- the free school meals for P1-3 at the moment in Scotland does not extend to private schools

This means that I (via taxation) am paying to feed the kids of other doctors who earn more than I do, who spend their money on holidays and cars instead of education.

 

That is the fallacy of "free"

 

Government does enough for private schools as it is, with their charitable status.

 

Apologies for being blunt, but that's a terrible argument.  It's your choice to send your kids to be privately educated and not the state's responsibility!

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Paragraph 1 - a non sequitur.

 

Paragraph 2 - the defining purpose of the SNP is Independence and if you engage your critical faculties you will understand that aim to be the underpinning of everything they do.

 

Media bias - it's all about perspective. To many in Scotland, the SNP are the Celtic of politics - they get an easy ride from the media and seem to be immune from criticism.

 

They have achieved in power - they have managed to foster a mood of grievance by failing or refusing to mitigate the "excesses" of the Tory Government. Beyond that, they have done very little beyond what could have been achieved by the Regional Councils.

The SNP do what is best for Scotland and the people of Scotland. That is why they are the most popular party and continue to be reelected.

 

The issue of independence is spoken about far more often by the Tories, Labour & Lib Dems than by the SNP. They try to make elections about this one issue, rather than about the other crucial issues.

 

There is a feeling of unfairness etc in the country, I agree, but the cause of that is the Tories, most definitely not the SNP.

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SwindonJambo

Government does enough for private schools as it is, with their charitable status.

 

Apologies for being blunt, but that's a terrible argument.  It's your choice to send your kids to be privately educated and not the state's responsibility!

As an aside Boris, I 100% agree that Private Schools' charitable status is an absolutely ludicrous anachronism. My brother is Bursar of one of the most expensive English ones and they are Commercial organisations in all but name.

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The SNP do what is best for Scotland and the people of Scotland. That is why they are the most popular party and continue to be reelected.

 

The issue of independence is spoken about far more often by the Tories, Labour & Lib Dems than by the SNP. They try to make elections about this one issue, rather than about the other crucial issues.

 

There is a feeling of unfairness etc in the country, I agree, but the cause of that is the Tories, most definitely not the SNP.

the SNP have done absolutely nothing, that is why there's the beginning of a down turn in their vote. no right minded scot would vote conservative but because of 10 years of inaction form the saviours of Scotland, SCOTS  are turning to the the ****in tories

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The SNP do what is best for Scotland and the people of Scotland. That is why they are the most popular party and continue to be reelected.

 

The issue of independence is spoken about far more often by the Tories, Labour & Lib Dems than by the SNP. They try to make elections about this one issue, rather than about the other crucial issues.

 

There is a feeling of unfairness etc in the country, I agree, but the cause of that is the Tories, most definitely not the SNP.

Clearly, then, their best is not good enough. That is a fact that they now grudgingly admit.

 

Anyone who would suggest that the SNP are not fixated on and endlessly mention IndyRef2 is not paying attention. Anyone who missed the grasping at any pretext to advance that cause is not paying attention.

Anyone who has missed the disproportionate amount of parliamentary time devoted to debating independence is not paying attention.

 

That the other parties mention it is the result of that, not some random references. These other parties are also representing the growing unease in the general population at the prospect of another divisive referendum when the there is no obvious benefit.

 

The Tories may be unpopular but they can be removed from power. Independence would be permanent - get that wrong and millions will be the poorer for it and for much longer than the life of a parliament.

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Radio Ga Ga

The SNP do what is best for Scotland and the people of Scotland. That is why they are the most popular party and continue to be reelected.

The issue of independence is spoken about far more often by the Tories, Labour & Lib Dems than by the SNP. They try to make elections about this one issue, rather than about the other crucial issues.

There is a feeling of unfairness etc in the country, I agree, but the cause of that is the Tories, most definitely not the SNP.

Instead of blaming the Tories for all our perceived woes, why does your party not use all of the power that have been passed to the Scottish Assembly?

 

Welfare, what have they done?

 

Income tax?

 

Council Tax, they wanted it to be progressive, what did they do? Tinkered with the top bands with no thought about ability to pay, someone in a Band H property on ?30k pa pays the same as a Millionaire, fair? It was on their manifesto in 2007 that the council tax would be scrapped and replaced with a progressive alternative, 10 years and they tinker with the four top bands, FFS it's almost as bad as the poll tax in unfairness!

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doctor jambo

Government does enough for private schools as it is, with their charitable status.

 

Apologies for being blunt, but that's a terrible argument. It's your choice to send your kids to be privately educated and not the state's responsibility!

So Boris is sitting at lunch in Costa, and a judge wanders over and insists you pay for his kids lunches - you have to- the state says so! So Boris pays up, judge leaves in his Porsche " same time tomorrow comrade !"

 

You ok with that?

Cos I ain't

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Instead of blaming the Tories for all our perceived woes, why does your party not use all of the power that have been passed to the Scottish Assembly?

 

Welfare, what have they done?

 

Income tax?

 

Council Tax, they wanted it to be progressive, what did they do? Tinkered with the top bands with no thought about ability to pay, someone in a Band H property on ?30k pa pays the same as a Millionaire, fair? It was on their manifesto in 2007 that the council tax would be scrapped and replaced with a progressive alternative, 10 years and they tinker with the four top bands, FFS it's almost as bad as the poll tax in unfairness!

Relating to welfare, only 2 days ago they announced ...

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance: "Increased Carer?s Allowance is an investment of more than ?30m a year" #scotsocialsecurity

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance: "We will deliver the new Funeral Expense Assistance by summer 2019" #scotsocialsecurity

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance announces delivery of Scotland?s first new benefit, the Best Start Grant #scotsocialsecurity

 

And are still consulting with various people/groups over the make up of Scotlands benefits agency

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Instead of blaming the Tories for all our perceived woes, why does your party not use all of the power that have been passed to the Scottish Assembly?

 

Welfare, what have they done?

 

Income tax?

 

Council Tax, they wanted it to be progressive, what did they do? Tinkered with the top bands with no thought about ability to pay, someone in a Band H property on ?30k pa pays the same as a Millionaire, fair? It was on their manifesto in 2007 that the council tax would be scrapped and replaced with a progressive alternative, 10 years and they tinker with the four top bands, FFS it's almost as bad as the poll tax in unfairness!

 

The woes are not perceived and are a direct result of Tory Westminster policy.

 

Off the top of my head, they have mitigated prescription charges and the bedroom tax.

 

Do you want the SNP to raise income tax in Scotland? Is that because you want to make sure than no-one earning ?30k per annum can move in next door and lower the tone of the area?

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SwindonJambo

Relating to welfare, only 2 days ago they announced ...

 

Scottish Government?Verified account @scotgov  May 30

 

 

More

 

 

 

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance: "Increased Carer?s Allowance is an investment of more than ?30m a year" #scotsocialsecurity

 

Scottish Government?Verified account @scotgov  May 30

 

 

More

 

 

 

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance: "We will deliver the new Funeral Expense Assistance by summer 2019" #scotsocialsecurity

 

Scottish Government?Verified account @scotgov  May 30

 

 

More

 

 

 

 

Cab Sec for Social Security Angela Constance announces delivery of Scotland?s first new benefit, the Best Start Grant #scotsocialsecurity

 

And are still consulting with various people/groups over the make up of Scotlands benefits agency

 

Great and very laudable. Only one problem - How is it going to be paid for ?

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ToadKiller Dog

Labour surging ahead in london

 

:pleasing:

Saw that labour on just above 50% Tory 33%

London always more Labour .

 

We are heading to hung parliament territory .

Tory spivs going all out to try and get the Ukippers vote with May sounding like Farage seems to be backfiring down south .

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Space Mackerel

So Boris is sitting at lunch in Costa, and a judge wanders over and insists you pay for his kids lunches - you have to- the state says so! So Boris pays up, judge leaves in his Porsche " same time tomorrow comrade !"

 

You ok with that?

Cos I ain't

 

Still waiting on your views on the Naylor Report for the NHS the Torys down South want to implement.

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SwindonJambo

Saw that labour on just above 50% Tory 33%

London always more Labour .

We are heading to hung parliament territory .

Tory spivs going all out to try and get the Ukippers vote with May sounding like Farage seems to be backfiring down south .

I can see either a hung parliament or a tight Tory majority. May has made a proper arse of this and she knows it. She doesn't look as self assured as she did. I still expect hers to be the biggest party but she has no obvious coalition partners if it is a hung parliament.

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So Boris is sitting at lunch in Costa, and a judge wanders over and insists you pay for his kids lunches - you have to- the state says so! So Boris pays up, judge leaves in his Porsche " same time tomorrow comrade !"

 

You ok with that?

Cos I ain't

 

 

Could you point me towards the means testing for large corporations tax breaks please? Also, if you wouldn't mind, the means testing for the inheritance tax dodging Duke of Westminster? 

 

Once you have done that we could maybe think about talking about why you seem desperate to introduce kids to discrimination at the earliest opportunity.

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So Boris is sitting at lunch in Costa, and a judge wanders over and insists you pay for his kids lunches - you have to- the state says so! So Boris pays up, judge leaves in his Porsche " same time tomorrow comrade !"

 

You ok with that?

Cos I ain't

 

BUt it doesn't work like that, and well you know it!

 

If as a proportion of the tax population and tax take, I would probably have to give the judge a ha'penny as my contribution!

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Massive change in the tory campaign today. No more strong and stable plastered everywhere, no more slagging Corbyn and Abbott. Scripted speech from May. They know they're in trouble.

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Next thursday is shaping up to be very interesting indeed.

Even though I'm expecting things to more or less end up where they are now, Kim Jong May has exposed how shoddy the Torie's future plans are and revitalised the (proper) left of politics.

The distance Corbyn has covered in the polls in only a few weeks is staggering.

 

All of this upheaval for next to no change.

A small Tory majority in Westminster and a massive 50-seat-plus landslide for the SNP up here.

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maroonlegions

Massive change in the tory campaign today. No more strong and stable plastered everywhere, no more slagging Corbyn and Abbott. Scripted speech from May. They know they're in trouble.

 Too little too late, they have been seen for what they are by large portions of the UK public.

 

U- turns, how many can these sleazy jokers manage.

 

Embarrassing.  :thumbsdown:

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Interesting...

 

'There was also a rare Scottish poll published on Wednesday afternoon. The SNP, on 43%, maintained the commanding lead that they've had throughout the campaign and for a long time before that. More interesting was that Labour and the Conservatives were on level pegging at 25%. That's the first time this year that the Conservatives haven't been in a clear second place.'

 

BBC

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Radio Ga Ga

The woes are not perceived and are a direct result of Tory Westminster policy.

 

Off the top of my head, they have mitigated prescription charges and the bedroom tax.

 

Do you want the SNP to raise income tax in Scotland? Is that because you want to make sure than no-one earning ?30k per annum can move in next door and lower the tone of the area?

 

Yes I do want them to use their income tax power, after all they moaned like feck for it to be dissolved to the Scottish Assembly, why won't they use local income tax the benefit of the country. They've got plenty of powers but fail to use them, can you advice me why, genuine question?

 

For the avoidance of doubt.

 

You are happy that a Millionaire gets treated the same as someone on ?30k and gets:-

 

Free prescriptions

Free eye tests

Free dental checks

Pays the same council tax (band specific and could actually pay less)

 

SNP - Tartan Tories in all but name.

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I'm not so sure he does know it. The TAX system appears to be a mystery to him and it is as if his tax alone pays for everything.

 

It has been explained to him and yet he still bangs on as if he is paying for everyone in Scotland's 'free' stuff.

Don't agree with the point he's making but there could be some merit to losing the "Free" label - these services do cost money and labelling them as "free" can lead to them being undervalued and as a result abused - for example patients not turning up for appointments with their GP. If people realised their appointment had a value of ?x they may be more inclined to re-schedule or cancel so someone else can utilise the slot and the ?x is no longer wasted.

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Pans Jambo

Yes I do want them to use their income tax power, after all they moaned like feck for it to be dissolved to the Scottish Assembly, why won't they use local income tax the benefit of the country. They've got plenty of powers but fail to use them, can you advice me why, genuine question?

 

For the avoidance of doubt.

 

You are happy that a Millionaire gets treated the same as someone on ?30k and gets:-

 

Free prescriptions

Free eye tests

Free dental checks

Pays the same council tax (band specific and could actually pay less)

 

SNP - Tartan Tories in all but name.

I am!

 

As long as you pay your share, you should be entitled to universal benefits such as NHS treatment, prescriptions etc as everyone else.

 

As long as the millionaires you mention pay their correct amount of tax and dont hide it in an offshore account.

 

Almost socialism  :D

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Radio Ga Ga

I am!

 

As long as you pay your share, you should be entitled to universal benefits such as NHS treatment, prescriptions etc as everyone else.

 

As long as the millionaires you mention pay their correct amount of tax and dont hide it in an offshore account.

 

Almost socialism  :D

But Pans, that's not progressive! The Nationalists have been harping on for years about how the believe in progressive taxation, however, with the powers to implement this, they fail to do so!?!

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"I want complete say over where every penny of my taxes are spent"

 

:rofl:

 

That fine. Your taxes wont be spent on childcare, but that will be balanced out by my taxes not being spent on trident and tax cuts for billionaires.

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niblick1874

Hold on folks. Shouldn't we wait till we see what comes out of the Bilderberg meeting before rushing to conclusions?

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maroonlegions

This articule and the questions poised by John Pilger are thought provoking to say the least.

 

What did May and her predecessors really know.

 

She should not be anywhere near number 10. 

 

 Mrs. May unquestionably has to provide answers to many things but one of the most important one required right now is for her to come clean and tell the country what she and our intelligence services actually knew about the young man who perpetrated the recent atrocity in Manchester. John Pilger is not the first journalist to bring up that Mrs. May was both implicit in inaction to apprehend the perpetrator and that he was involved with our intelligence service. The people of this country deserve to know the truth, and to know this before the GE on 8th June.

 

 

TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?
JOHNPILGER.COM
 
 
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Yes I do want them to use their income tax power, after all they moaned like feck for it to be dissolved to the Scottish Assembly, why won't they use local income tax the benefit of the country. They've got plenty of powers but fail to use them, can you advice me why, genuine question?

 

For the avoidance of doubt.

 

You are happy that a Millionaire gets treated the same as someone on ?30k and gets:-

 

Free prescriptions

Free eye tests

Free dental checks

Pays the same council tax (band specific and could actually pay less)

 

SNP - Tartan Tories in all but name.

 

If the millionaire and the person on ?30k per annum both pay their fare share of taxes and National Insurance to the state then of course they should receive the same benefits. We're talking Socialism not Eat the rich. Everybody pays their fare share and everybody benefits.

 

Your analogy is terrible as well, you want to further tax the person on ?30k with the big house making it even tougher for him to pay the council tax, or are people on ?30k with big houses exempt from your tax hike? Radio Ga Ga, Tartan Tory right enough.

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Radio Ga Ga

 

Your analogy is terrible as well, you want to further tax the person on ?30k with the big house making it even tougher for him to pay the council tax, or are people on ?30k with big houses exempt from your tax hike? Radio Ga Ga, Tartan Tory right enough.

Eh no!

 

The SNP's Idea was for local income tax was to REPLACE the council tax, i.e. It's progressive, the poorer in society pay less and the wealthy pay more, what part of that do you not understand? Jesus Wept, Alex Salmond was going on and on and on and on and on about the unfair CT and how a SNP government would abolish it (see SNP manifesto from 2007) and what did we get, a system that was unfair already now fundamentally even more unfair.

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Space Mackerel

Looks like Mays giving a body swerve tomorrow for Woman's Hour and sending Greening along instead according to Twatter.

 

Sure and stable keeking her breeks.

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May is making an epic ***** of this. The unmoving stance on Brexit will lose votes. An incredible Hibsing unfolding here.

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May is making an epic ***** of this. The unmoving stance on Brexit will lose votes. An incredible Hibsing unfolding here.

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The SNP use the phrase free at the point of delivery or scrapping charges, they do not usually describe them as free.

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Not trying to make a point in relation to any particular party - just in general the word "free" can lead to an undervaluing of the service provided.

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John Findlay

I think it has already been established that she was somewhat liberal with the truth. She must wish she had shut up now.

No she doesn't. Just another attention seeker.

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Seymour M Hersh

Maybe, maybe not MS. But this is a Westminster election.

 

And they'll still be utterly impotent there as well.

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And they'll still be utterly impotent there as well.

 

Unless the result is closer than HideaMay anticipated.

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Seymour M Hersh

Unless the result is closer than HideaMay anticipated.

 

Is that why nippy has lowered the bar on her "mandate" for indy ref 2 to just 30?

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Is that why nippy has lowered the bar on her "mandate" for indy ref 2 to just 30?

 

Possilbly.

 

But the SNP could be holding all the cards if it comes to a coalition.

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Space Mackerel

Angus Robertson MP and Foreign Secretary has a beeeeeeeeyoooooootiful ring to it.

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