Even More SNP Nonsense

[ArcticJambo]

18 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Exactly, and it works.

take- out tax?

dead easy

 

Our economy would collapse!

[Iconic Idiot]

Any savings to the health service from people being healthier would be eaten up by the fact they'll live longer and the pension fund would get blootered.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Iconic Idiot said:

Any savings to the health service from people being healthier would be eaten up by the fact they'll live longer and the pension fund would get blootered.

 

 

Yeh, the perfect citizen as far as the government is concerned, is the one who works & pays tax straight after leaving school and then drops dead a week before they retire, sadly knew someone who did that, keeled over 3 days before he due to retire.

 

But you are correct about the state pensions, it would bankrupt the UK, not just that, but we are already hearing from NHS bodies that people are living longer, but more and more of them are also living longer with complex & or multiple conditions which are putting even more pressure on the NHS.

 

 

 

[Iconic Idiot]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, the perfect citizen as far as the government is concerned, is the one who works & pays tax straight after leaving school and then drops dead a week before they retire, sadly knew someone who did that, keeled over 3 days before he due to retire.

 

But you are correct about the state pensions, it would bankrupt the UK, not just that, but we are already hearing from NHS bodies that people are living longer, but more and more of them are also living longer with complex & or multiple conditions which are putting even more pressure on the NHS.

 

 

 

My dad started work at 15 and died age 60. Paid in and got nowt back save 3 months of treatment for cancer.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Iconic Idiot said:

My dad started work at 15 and died age 60. Paid in and got nowt back save 3 months of treatment for cancer.

 

Sorry to hear that, unfortunately it isn't a rare occurance either.

 

As I said knew one guy who died 3 days before he was due to retire, but I've also lost count of the number who have retired and lasted less than a year or two, still if they keep raising the retirement age it won't matter to most, as they'll just work till they drop, maybe that's the plan all along.

[jack D and coke]

11 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Sorry to hear that, unfortunately it isn't a rare occurance either.

 

As I said knew one guy who died 3 days before he was due to retire, but I've also lost count of the number who have retired and lasted less than a year or two, still if they keep raising the retirement age it won't matter to most, as they'll just work till they drop, maybe that's the plan all along.

Don’t think there’s any doubt about that. 
Pay in all your days and drop dead before you can take anything out is the perfect scenario. 

[doctor jambo]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Don’t think there’s any doubt about that. 
Pay in all your days and drop dead before you can take anything out is the perfect scenario. 

I no longer pay into a pension.

If they try to work me until I'm 67 I'll be dead anyway.

By that time the pension will have been slashed, all "freebies " stopped, and the electoral bribes to pensioners over the next 2 decades will make the state pension survivable on.

It also means I wont need to fund my own care in my dotage as I'll retire broke

[Phil Dunphy]

Interesting to see Chris Law asking people to crowdfund his campaign for election in Dundee. 
 

A man who owns a £600,000 castle and a £140,000 car wants you to give him your money. A real man of the people here. 
 

Filth. 

[Adam Murray]

41 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

Interesting to see Chris Law asking people to crowdfund his campaign for election in Dundee. 
 

A man who owns a £600,000 castle and a £140,000 car wants you to give him your money. A real man of the people here. 
 

Filth. 

 

Is this a new thing by MP's, who let's face it, are not short of a bob or two?

 

Are they able to claim back election campaign materials on expenses?

 

I see the humble crofter also has a crowdfunder

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-ian-blackford-snp-ross-skye-lochaber-2

 

Along with Joanna Cherry QC

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/joannacherry

 

And also Tommy Sheppard, asking his constituents in Niddrie, Craigmillar and Greendykes to give him their cash

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-tommy-sheppard-1

 

 

[Phil Dunphy]

10 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 

Is this a new thing by MP's, who let's face it, are not short of a bob or two?

 

Are they able to claim back election campaign materials on expenses?

 

I see the humble crofter also has a crowdfunder

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-ian-blackford-snp-ross-skye-lochaber-2

 

Along with Joanna Cherry QC

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/joannacherry

 

And also Tommy Sheppard, asking his constituents in Niddrie, Craigmillar and Greendykes to give him their cash

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-tommy-sheppard-1

 

 

“Pay me for the privilege to vote for me” seems to be the mantra for a number of politicians now. 
 

The Chris Law one is particularly funny, because nothing screams “Stronger For Scotland” than an embezzlement probe.  

[Jambo-Jimbo]

14 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

 

Is this a new thing by MP's, who let's face it, are not short of a bob or two?

 

Are they able to claim back election campaign materials on expenses?

 

I see the humble crofter also has a crowdfunder

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-ian-blackford-snp-ross-skye-lochaber-2

 

Along with Joanna Cherry QC

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/joannacherry

 

And also Tommy Sheppard, asking his constituents in Niddrie, Craigmillar and Greendykes to give him their cash

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-tommy-sheppard-1

 

 

 

Could it be a way of getting around party spending limits?  I don't know.

 

Is it just the SNP or do other parties do this, either way it doesn't sit that well with me tbh.

[Auld Reekin']

Crowdfunding by political parties and for political causes has been around for years and is by no means a tool used exclusively by the SNP. See the BBC article from 2017, below:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39732104

[ri Alban]

48 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

“Pay me for the privilege to vote for me” seems to be the mantra for a number of politicians now. 
 

The Chris Law one is particularly funny, because nothing screams “Stronger For Scotland” than an embezzlement probe.  

Any DJs running marathons for the Tories these days.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

6 minutes ago, Auld Reekin' said:

Crowdfunding by political parties and for political causes has been around for years and is by no means a tool used exclusively by the SNP. See the BBC article from 2017, below:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39732104

 

Well you learn something new everyday.

 

One thing that stands out, to me at any rate, is this.

Do the candidates know who has donated and where the money has come from, because if not, then the potential of some of it being dirty or foreign money has to be a distinct possibility, certainly can't be ruled out.

[Phil Dunphy]

14 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Any DJs running marathons for the Tories these days.

Anyone who donates money to an already wealthy political candidate is paying an idiot tax. 

[dobmisterdobster]

11 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

Anyone who donates money to an already wealthy political candidate is paying an idiot tax. 

Joanna Cherry has plenty of money. She just wants her pay-pig supporters to foot the bill for her campaign.

[Phil Dunphy]

1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Joanna Cherry has plenty of money. She just wants her pay-pig supporters to foot the bill for her campaign.

Further proof that no-one gets into politics to improve the quality of anything other than their bank balances. 

[Deevers]

3 hours ago, Adam Murray said:

 

Is this a new thing by MP's, who let's face it, are not short of a bob or two?

 

Are they able to claim back election campaign materials on expenses?

 

I see the humble crofter also has a crowdfunder

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-ian-blackford-snp-ross-skye-lochaber-2

 

Along with Joanna Cherry QC

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/joannacherry

 

And also Tommy Sheppard, asking his constituents in Niddrie, Craigmillar and Greendykes to give him their cash

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/re-elect-tommy-sheppard-1

 

 

The sad thing is that the terminally thick will hand over their cash to these chancers.

[Pans Jambo]

2 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said:

Anyone who donates money to an already wealthy political candidate is paying an idiot tax. 

Aye, getting more like the USA every week it seems. Whats next, mandatory private healthcare insurance!

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Aye, getting more like the USA every week it seems. Whats next, mandatory private healthcare insurance!

 

Better get used to it as it's coming in one form or another, might not be for another 10 or 20 years, but it is coming.

 

[Pans Jambo]

20 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Better get used to it as it's coming in one form or another, might not be for another 10 or 20 years, but it is coming.

 

Who would have the balls to implement that...other than the nasty party?

[Auld Reekin']

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Better get used to it as it's coming in one form or another, might not be for another 10 or 20 years, but it is coming.

 

 

Yes, if Bo-Jo and the Old Etonians have their way and more than likely if Brexit happens at all.

Edited November 6 by Auld Reekin'

[Jambo-Jimbo]

29 minutes ago, Auld Reekin' said:

 

Yes, if Bo-Jo and the Old Etonians have their way and more than likely if Brexit happens at all.

 

If there's money to be made, well do I need to say anymore.

 

[Auld Reekin']

6 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

If there's money to be made, well do I need to say anymore.

 

 

Absolutely not, old boy: mum's the word...

 

[Pans Jambo]

Give this 10 question quiz a try and tell me Scotland is a poor country that needs Westminster!!!

 

https://www.businessforscotland.com/take-the-scotland-the-brief-quiz/?fbclid=IwAR1qgHxhw2TU6YRhEgXJmNZFg3rRwP9s-TokAJ4G3BHr65ORfU4iKqWC2i8

 

Edited November 6 by Pans Jambo

[Zlatanable]

7 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Give this 10 question quiz a try and tell me Scotland is a poor country that needs Westminster!!!

 

https://www.businessforscotland.com/take-the-scotland-the-brief-quiz/?fbclid=IwAR1qgHxhw2TU6YRhEgXJmNZFg3rRwP9s-TokAJ4G3BHr65ORfU4iKqWC2i8

 

you mean give a haf aszed scot-nat madcap bunch of halfwits site a go?  

 

[Pans Jambo]

5 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

you mean give a haf aszed scot-nat madcap bunch of halfwits site a go?  

 

Its hard when the truth hurts but its OK to admit youve been backing the wrong horse. Its really OK. Your team has completely Hibsed it. Welcome to reality. 

[Roxy Hearts]

5 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

you mean give a haf aszed scot-nat madcap bunch of halfwits site a go?  

 

Debunk it then! 

[jack D and coke]

A former Tory coming round here. 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d23debca-00b1-11ea-ac10-05df8e730a81

[jack D and coke]

38 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Its hard when the truth hurts but its OK to admit youve been backing the wrong horse. Its really OK. Your team has completely Hibsed it. Welcome to reality. 

They’re mostly all absolutely raging when it looks like Scotland might not need propped up. 
It must be sort of “This can’t be right?!” “A Scot nazi wrote this” “Scotland is skint!” “We’re Greece/South Sudan/Zimbabwe etc” all flying around in their heads. 
Confusing when they read this tbf. 

 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

They’re mostly all absolutely raging when it looks like Scotland might not need propped up. 
It must be sort of “This can’t be right?!” “A Scot nazi wrote this” “Scotland is skint!” “We’re Greece/South Sudan/Zimbabwe etc” all flying around in their heads. 
Confusing when they read this tbf. 

 

Yip. All part of the “Scotland is shite” brigade (unless Scotland has Westminster to lord over it and protect it from hurting itself, then Scotland is Absolutely amazing and theyre all true Scots).

[Phil Dunphy]

I see a report from Professor Jim Scott is highlighting the current state of education in Scotland. 
 

Attainment in Scottish National qualification levels 3-5 in S4 pupils has dropped by at least 32.9% since the CfE was introduced in 2013. Higher passes in S5 have also dropped by 10% in the last 4 years. 

[Jambo_Gaz]

Alex Salmond's court date is today. 

 

Not that you would know it from the Scottish MSM. 

 

 

Edited November 21 by Jambo_Gaz

[Trapper John McIntyre]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18049421.alex-salmond-will-appear-court-today-charged-earlier-year-attempted-rape-sexual-assault-former-first-minister-due-high-court-edinburgh-preliminary-hearing-morning-mr-salmond-64-charged/

 

 

[Trapper John McIntyre]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/alex-salmond-due-in-court-in-edinburgh-1-5049781

[Trapper John McIntyre]

Not long now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Salmond due in court tomorrow on charges including attempted rape and sexual assault

ALEX Salmond is due in court tomorrow on charges including attempted rape and sexual assault. The ex-First Minister is expected to attend a preliminary hearing before a full trial, set to take plac…

thescottishsun.co.uk

[Trapper John McIntyre]

[JyTees]

On 07/11/2019 at 13:04, Phil Dunphy said:

I see a report from Professor Jim Scott is highlighting the current state of education in Scotland. 
 

Attainment in Scottish National qualification levels 3-5 in S4 pupils has dropped by at least 32.9% since the CfE was introduced in 2013. Higher passes in S5 have also dropped by 10% in the last 4 years. 

 

"Judge me on education"

 

What is it with Nats who refuse to judge their record on the facts? Mad cult!

[manaliveits105]

The Tories planned this 

 

[Mikey1874]

Accused of sexually assaulting 10 women. 

 

All the details of what he is accused of have been published.

Edited November 21 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

Trial to start 9 March 2020.

[manaliveits105]

FM will have resigned by then 

[Trapper John McIntyre]

What is Mr Salmond accused of?

The attempted rape is said to have happened in June 2014 at the first minister's official Bute House residence in Edinburgh. He is alleged to have pushed a woman against a wall and to have removed her clothes and his own, before pushing her onto a bed and lying naked on top of her.

The other 13 charges allege that the 64-year-old former SNP leader:

• Indecently assaulted a woman on a number of occasions in Glasgow in June and July 2008 by kissing her on the mouth and touching her buttocks and breasts with his hands over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman in December 2010 or December 2011 in the Ego nightclub in Edinburgh by touching her arms and hips with his hands over her clothing
• Indecently assaulted a woman in October or November 2010 at Bute House by repeatedly seizing her by the wrists and repeatedly pulling her towards him and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman in a car in Edinburgh in February 2011 by touching her leg with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted a woman on various occasions between 2011 and 2013 at Bute House, the Scottish Parliament and other locations by touching her buttocks with his hands over her clothing, stroking her arms, and touching and stroking her hair
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in October 2013 by removing her foot from her shoe, stroking her foot, lifting her foot towards his mouth and attempting to kiss her foot
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in November or December 2013 by kissing her on the mouth
• Intended to rape the same woman in December 2013 at Bute House by causing her to sit on a bed, lying on top of her, making sexual remarks to her, touching her buttocks, thighs and breasts over her clothing with his hands, repeatedly kissing her face, struggling with her and pulling up her dress
• Sexually assaulted a woman in 2012 at the Ubiquitous Chip restaurant in Glasgow by touching her buttocks with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman at Bute House in April 2014 by placing his arm around her, making sexual remarks to her and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in May 2014 by placing his arm around her body, placing his hand under her clothing and underwear and touching her breast, repeatedly kissing her on the face and neck and stroking her leg with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in September 2014 by seizing her by the shoulders, repeatedly kissing her on the face, attempting to kiss her on the lips and touching her leg and face with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Stirling Castle in November 2014 by touching her buttock with his hand over her clothing

Police began an investigation following a Scottish government inquiry into complaints of sexual harassment against Mr Salmond

[Trapper John McIntyre]

38 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

The Tories planned this 

 

 

Cunning linguists.

[Barack]

2 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

What is Mr Salmond accused of?

The attempted rape is said to have happened in June 2014 at the first minister's official Bute House residence in Edinburgh. He is alleged to have pushed a woman against a wall and to have removed her clothes and his own, before pushing her onto a bed and lying naked on top of her.

The other 13 charges allege that the 64-year-old former SNP leader:

• Indecently assaulted a woman on a number of occasions in Glasgow in June and July 2008 by kissing her on the mouth and touching her buttocks and breasts with his hands over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman in December 2010 or December 2011 in the Ego nightclub in Edinburgh by touching her arms and hips with his hands over her clothing
• Indecently assaulted a woman in October or November 2010 at Bute House by repeatedly seizing her by the wrists and repeatedly pulling her towards him and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman in a car in Edinburgh in February 2011 by touching her leg with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted a woman on various occasions between 2011 and 2013 at Bute House, the Scottish Parliament and other locations by touching her buttocks with his hands over her clothing, stroking her arms, and touching and stroking her hair
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in October 2013 by removing her foot from her shoe, stroking her foot, lifting her foot towards his mouth and attempting to kiss her foot
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in November or December 2013 by kissing her on the mouth
• Intended to rape the same woman in December 2013 at Bute House by causing her to sit on a bed, lying on top of her, making sexual remarks to her, touching her buttocks, thighs and breasts over her clothing with his hands, repeatedly kissing her face, struggling with her and pulling up her dress
• Sexually assaulted a woman in 2012 at the Ubiquitous Chip restaurant in Glasgow by touching her buttocks with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman at Bute House in April 2014 by placing his arm around her, making sexual remarks to her and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in May 2014 by placing his arm around her body, placing his hand under her clothing and underwear and touching her breast, repeatedly kissing her on the face and neck and stroking her leg with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in September 2014 by seizing her by the shoulders, repeatedly kissing her on the face, attempting to kiss her on the lips and touching her leg and face with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Stirling Castle in November 2014 by touching her buttock with his hand over her clothing

Police began an investigation following a Scottish government inquiry into complaints of sexual harassment against Mr Salmond

First I'd paid attention to this. That's...quite a list.

 

 

[hughesie27]

What are the chances any of these allegations can actually be proven assuming there is no CCTV or other evidence outside of the allegations?

[Pans Jambo]

11 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

What is Mr Salmond accused of?

The attempted rape is said to have happened in June 2014 at the first minister's official Bute House residence in Edinburgh. He is alleged to have pushed a woman against a wall and to have removed her clothes and his own, before pushing her onto a bed and lying naked on top of her.

The other 13 charges allege that the 64-year-old former SNP leader:

• Indecently assaulted a woman on a number of occasions in Glasgow in June and July 2008 by kissing her on the mouth and touching her buttocks and breasts with his hands over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman in December 2010 or December 2011 in the Ego nightclub in Edinburgh by touching her arms and hips with his hands over her clothing
• Indecently assaulted a woman in October or November 2010 at Bute House by repeatedly seizing her by the wrists and repeatedly pulling her towards him and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman in a car in Edinburgh in February 2011 by touching her leg with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted a woman on various occasions between 2011 and 2013 at Bute House, the Scottish Parliament and other locations by touching her buttocks with his hands over her clothing, stroking her arms, and touching and stroking her hair
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in October 2013 by removing her foot from her shoe, stroking her foot, lifting her foot towards his mouth and attempting to kiss her foot
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in November or December 2013 by kissing her on the mouth
• Intended to rape the same woman in December 2013 at Bute House by causing her to sit on a bed, lying on top of her, making sexual remarks to her, touching her buttocks, thighs and breasts over her clothing with his hands, repeatedly kissing her face, struggling with her and pulling up her dress
• Sexually assaulted a woman in 2012 at the Ubiquitous Chip restaurant in Glasgow by touching her buttocks with his hand over her clothing
• Sexually assaulted the same woman at Bute House in April 2014 by placing his arm around her, making sexual remarks to her and attempting to kiss her
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in May 2014 by placing his arm around her body, placing his hand under her clothing and underwear and touching her breast, repeatedly kissing her on the face and neck and stroking her leg with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Bute House in September 2014 by seizing her by the shoulders, repeatedly kissing her on the face, attempting to kiss her on the lips and touching her leg and face with his hand
• Sexually assaulted a woman at Stirling Castle in November 2014 by touching her buttock with his hand over her clothing

Police began an investigation following a Scottish government inquiry into complaints of sexual harassment against Mr Salmond

Reads like a Jimmy Saville charge sheet!

 

If he's found guilty of any of that I hope he gets the full weight of the law applied to him. No time for any of that shenanigans!

 

I'm going to vote for the SNP & Independence though regardless of what happens here.

 

& if its whatabootery yer after Trapper lets not go there as you well know what the Westminster mob have done over the years (& covered up INCLUDING a name I quoted above's activities). 

[AlphonseCapone]

Worthy of it's own thread surely.

[jack D and coke]

I’m pretty sceptical if I’m being totally honest. 
Im really not that bothered either. 
It reads like pretty much any other unionist garbage spouted by tripper. I dread to think how excited he’s getting over this tbh, the mind truly boggles. 
Sexually assaulted by touching her on the leg? Is this sexual assault? I’ve been molested, I’ve been raped and violated on dozens of occasions by women then. I’m sure most of us have worn a kilt. What a load of absolute shite  
Intended to rape?! Wtf does that even mean? Did he rape her? Honestly that’s an embarrassing charge sheet. Grasping at straws is the only way to describe it. 
Tbh I’d always got the impression Salmond was possibly a bit fruity so it’s a major surprise to see these. 
There won’t be a person alive who hasn’t experienced some of these things. Calling it sexual assault and attempted and intended rape? 
LOL


 

[JyTees]

21 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m pretty sceptical if I’m being totally honest. 
Im really not that bothered either. 
It reads like pretty much any other unionist garbage spouted by tripper. I dread to think how excited he’s getting over this tbh, the mind truly boggles. 
Sexually assaulted by touching her on the leg? Is this sexual assault? I’ve been molested, I’ve been raped and violated on dozens of occasions by women then. I’m sure most of us have worn a kilt. What a load of absolute shite  
Intended to rape?! Wtf does that even mean? Did he rape her? Honestly that’s an embarrassing charge sheet. Grasping at straws is the only way to describe it. 
Tbh I’d always got the impression Salmond was possibly a bit fruity so it’s a major surprise to see these. 
There won’t be a person alive who hasn’t experienced some of these things. Calling it sexual assault and attempted and intended rape? 
LOL


 

 

Conveniently leaving out the "other stuff".

 

Mad cult indeed.