Even More SNP Nonsense

[kingantti1874]

Yes yes pans we get it, the SNP like spending money they don't have to win votes - thanks for proving my point. ?15bn more per year at last count.

 

it's entirely irresponsible, completely unsustainable.. it's almost as if they've looking at the voting demographic and went .. right what do we have to spend to win this segment.

 

I love the way you say "the SNP did it though" as if sturgeon and salmon dipped into their personal piggy banks

[AlphonseCapone]

Yes yes pans we get it, the SNP like spending money they don't have to win votes - thanks for proving my point. ?15bn more per year at last count.

 

it's entirely irresponsible, completely unsustainable.. it's almost as if they've looking at the voting demographic and went .. right what do we have to spend to win this segment.

 

I love the way you say "the SNP did it though" as if sturgeon and salmon dipped into their personal piggy banks

Clearly weren't capable of disputing his points so took the easy way out here.

[Trapper John McIntyre]

So... whats the SNP done for us anyway???

 

In the beginning

 

Record funding for Scotland?s NHS, with the overall health budget at ?13 billion in 2016 ? over ?3.3 billion more than when the SNP first took office.

Free, high quality childcare is increased to 16 hours a week for all 3 and 4 year olds ? up from 12.5 hours in 2007, extended to 2 year olds from low income households too.

Employment at its highest ever level. Latest figures, 2,636,000 people in work.

Pupils are achieving more than ever with a reformed curriculum, record exam passes and 93% of school leavers now going on to work, training or education.

Council Tax frozen saving the average Band D household ?1,550 by April 2017.

1.3 million older and disabled people benefit from free public transport through the National Concessionary Bus Travel Scheme ? now extended to help disabled veterans.

Target to build 30,000 affordable homes exceeded, with an investment of ?1.7 billion.

Free tuition maintained, saving students up to ?27,000 compared to England.

Jobs and businesses protected from recession by cutting business rates for almost 100,000 small and medium-sized businesses.

78,000 elderly benefit from access to a wide range of personal care without charge.

Recorded crime in Scotland has reached its lowest level in 41 years.

Free prescriptions protected, saving people with chronic conditions over ?100 a year.

Road Equivalent Tariff rolled out to all ferry routes in the Clyde and Hebrides, cutting fares by around 40%.

178,000 low income households helped to buy essentials such as nappies, food and cookers through our Scottish Welfare Fund since it was established in 2013.

By keeping Scottish Water in public hands customers pay less for a better service ? charges for the average household bill are ?39 lower than in England and Wales.

A healthier Scotland

 

The number of nurses, doctors and dentists working in Scotland?s NHS increased.

NHS staffing is at record levels, up more than 11,200 under the current government.

Scotland?s A&E services are the best performing in the UK.

95% of hospital day case and inpatients seen within 12 weeks last year.

Healthcare kept local. A&E units saved, children?s cancer services and neurosurgery units protected, and maternity units kept open.

Over ?5 billion invested in Scotland?s health infrastructure since 2007, including the South Glasgow Hospitals and Emergency Care Centre in Aberdeen.

Pay rises for our NHS staff delivered.

Nursing staff up to ?714 a year better off than their counterparts in England.

Hospitals cleaner and safer. Cases of C. Diff and MRSA fall to lowest levels recorded.

Almost ?40 million invested to raise public awareness of cancer, and catch it earlier.

Risk of cervical cancer cut by providing HPV vaccine for girls in second year of school.

Scrapped parking charges at NHS-run hospital. Patients and staff save ?25 million.

Highest number of GPs per head of the population in the UK; more practices are now open in the evenings and at weekends.

Scotland first country in the UK to have a mental health waiting times target.

Over ?150 million invested next five years to improve mental health services.

2.2 million registered with an NHS dentist than when the SNP took office.

98% of primary and secondary schools providing two hours of physical education a week ? up from 10 per cent in 2005.

More funding provided to support carers and young carers; over 22,500 benefiting from the Short Breaks Fund.

Irresponsible alcohol discounts in supermarkets and off-licences banned.

Legal age for buying tobacco raised to 18.

Control of social care services budget through the Self-Directed Support Act.

Extra funding for Scotland?s veteran charities, ex-service men and women receive priority treatment in the NHS and other services.

A smarter Scotland

 

All children in primaries 1 to 3 ? around 135,000 pupils ? benefiting from free school meals, saving families around ?380 per child per year.

The ?160 million Attainment Scotland Fund improves literacy, numeracy and health and well-being for children in over 300 primary schools in the most deprived areas.

Spending per pupil is significantly higher here than south of the border ? 9% higher per pupil in primary at ?4,899, 12% higher per pupil in secondary at ?6,738.

Investment of ?1.8 billion and 607 school projects delivered.

4,020 school children able to learn in dedicated Gaelic medium language classes.

The Disabled Students Allowance in Scotland protected and bursaries for students maintained, while the Tories abolished both elsewhere in the UK.

Education Maintenance Allowance in Scotland expanded? scrapped in England ? to support 57,000 school pupils and college students from low income families.

Over 119,000 full-time equivalent college places provided ? exceeding 2011 manifesto commitment to maintain 116,000 places.

?530 million invested in college estates and state-of-the-art buildings in Glasgow, Kilmarnock and Inverness ? plus ?140 million for Fife and Forth Valley colleges.

Full-time college students benefit from the highest bursary of anywhere in the UK.

A record numbers of Scots supported into university. Young people from deprived areas more likely to study at university.

The poorest university students living at home benefit from a minimum income guarantee of ?7,625 per year ? the highest in the UK.

More women entering universities are choosing to study science, technology, engineering and maths subjects. They make up 48% of those gaining degrees.

A wealthier Scotland

 

Scotland has the highest employment rate of the four nations in the UK, women and youth employment rates exceed those of the UK.

Typical pay in Scotland is now, for the first time, higher than in England.

The Scottish economy has seen three years of growth up to the third quarter of 2015.

186,855 young people took the opportunity to undertake a modern apprenticeship since 2007, and by 2020 a further 30,000 opportunities will be available every year.

Around 20,000 families supported to buy their own home through home ownership schemes ? three quarters of them under the age of 35.

Councils enabled to build new homes? 5,292 council houses built since 2011.

15,500 social houses for rent safeguarded by ending Right to Buy.

?500 million invested to stimulate conomic growth in Glasgow and the Clyde Valley.

?125 million allocated to Aberdeen to stimulate economic growth in the city, plus an additional ?254 million for infrastructure projects in the North-east.

?60 million put towards a Town Centre Regeneration Fund.

?500 million spent on tackling fuel poverty, with one in three households helped to improve home energy efficiency.

Tax burden reduced on the sale of homes, with 93% of house buyers paying less than under UK stamp duty land tax or paying no tax at all.

The number of private sector businesses in Scotland at 361,345, the highest number recorded ? productivity is up 4.4% compared to 0.2 per cent in the UK.

International exports increased by 36%. (2007 to 2014) ?20.3 billion to ?27.5 billion.

Tourism healthier with 15.5 million tourists visiting in the year to September 2015.

Enterprise and development spending per head in Scotland is double that of the UK, and spending on research and development has increased by 44% since 2007.

A fairer Scotland

 

More than 80% of Scots paid the Living Wage of ?8.25 an hour.

In 2011, the first government in the UK to pay the Living Wage to our staff.

Poverty levels down. 260,000 fewer people in poverty in 2014 than in 2000.

Invested ?90 million to ensure that no-one in Scotland has to pay the Bedroom Tax, protecting up to 72,000 households from threat of eviction or becoming homeless.

Over half a million vulnerable households ? including over 200,000 pensioners and 86,000 single parents ? protected from UK Government cuts to Council Tax support.

Almost 3,000 disabled people supported through the Independent Living Fund Scotland, set up after the UK Government scrapped its support.

Over 200 companies signed the Scottish Business Pledge to boost productivity and increase diversity.

Number of days lost to industrial disputes down 84%, the lowest of any UK country.

Encouraging public, third, private sector companies to boardroom gender equality.

Nicola Sturgeon appointed first cabinet with an equal number of women and men.

Scotland is leading light on LGBTI equality, with progressive equal marriage laws.

Over ?75 million has been spent since 2007 to help some of the world?s poorest and most vulnerable people.

A safer Scotland

 

Violent crime down 55%, homicides 51%, weapons/knife crime two-thirds.

?216 million invested in the creation of the new national police service.

The new Scottish Crime Campus provides a focal point for excellence in intelligence-sharing, evidence gathering and forensic science to tackle serious organised crime.

Since 2007, 1,000 more police officers keeping our communities safe. By contrast, police numbers south of the border have fallen to their lowest level in 15 years.

Automatic early release ended: long-term prisoners will serve their sentence in full.

Reconviction rate reduced to its lowest level in 16 years.

?75 million seized from criminals reinvested in community projects for the young.

HMP Grampian opened in March 2014 and HMP Low Moss opened in March 2012, two major parts of the prison building programme.

Access to air weapons tightened.

A record ?33 million invested to tackle domestic violence against women and girls.

Access to justice for survivors of domestic abuse improved too.

Tackling sectarianism backed up with record investment.

The new Scottish Fire and Rescue Service created.

Scotland has the UK?s first national action plan on human rights.

Investing for the future

 

?1 billion invested annually in public and sustainable transport to encourage people out of cars. Spending for safer walking and cycling at a record high.

The ?1.4 billion Queensferry Crossing is on time and on budget.

Tolls on the Forth and Tay bridges abolished, commuters continue to save ?184 a year crossing the Tay, ?207 a year on crossing the Forth.

Borders Railway reopened, longest domestic railway built in Britain in over 100 years.

?742 million Edinburgh-Glasgow rail improvements; widespread electrification of the network between the two cities, and to Stirling and Dunblane.

?3 billion to create 80 miles of dual carriageway on the A9 Perth-Inverness, ?745 million to Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route, plus M8, M73 and M74 motorway.

?170 million Aberdeen Inverness rail upgrade; new stations at Dalcross and Kintore.

Contracts worth ?97 million will protect the 150-strong workforce and create 100 new jobs at the last commercial shipyard on the Clyde.

Prestwick Airport saved from closure, safeguarding around 1,350 jobs.

?500 million a year to deliver higher water quality, better environmental protection, and better service for customers. Scottish Water now UK?s most trusted utility.

?400 million to deliver superfast broadband to 95 per cent of properties across Scotland by the end of 2017.

Negotiating the renaissance of the UK?s only aluminium smelter in Lochaber, Fort William, creating over 600 new jobs, half in the smelter, half in services.

Empowering communities

 

The independence referendum was the biggest democratic exercise in our history.

The voting age for Scottish Parliament and local government elections permanently lowered to 16, starting from May 2016.

Local communities given a voice ? backed up with ?20 million funding ? in the planning and delivery of local services through the Community Empowerment Act.

?9 million Scottish Land Fund helped 52 communities across the country purchase land. Over 500,000 acres is now in community ownership ? benefiting 71,000 people.

The ambitious Land Reform Bill introduced to transform rules around the ownership, accessibility and benefits of land in Scotland. More reforms to come.

A greener Scotland

 

Renewable electricity output more than doubled since 2007, with renewables largest contributor to electricity generation in Scotland.

Our target to reduce energy consumption by 12% by 2020 exceeded, a 13.3% reduction between 2006 and 2013.

Scotland is on target to deliver world-leading climate reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by 42% by 2020.

Moratorium on underground coal gasification and fracking.

Household recycling at its highest ever levels. 43% of household waste recycled.

Carrier bag use reduced by 80%. Bag charge raised nearly ?7 million for good causes.

Investment in flood defences and new measures in the Flooding Act.

Scotland was one of the first countries in the world to sign up to the UN Sustainable Development Goals; established the world?s first Climate Justice Fund.

Scotland became the world?s second Fair Trade Nation in 2013.

Supporting rural communities

 

A record ?1 billion invested in vessels, ports and ferry services since 2007 as part of a commitment to the islands and remote communities.

Residents of Caithness and north-west Sutherland, Colonsay, Islay, Jura, Orkney, Shetland and the Western Isles are eligible for a 50% discount on air fares.

Created a key role in reforming EU fisheries policy to bring an end to the wasteful discarding of fish at sea.

With food and drink exports valued over ?5 billion, and new jobs created in the sector by 2020, continued support to promote Scotland?s top quality produce.

Fares on ferry services frozen until 2017 for passengers, cars, commercial vehicles.

Opting out of cultivation of genetically modified crops in Scotland.

Scotland?s first National Marine Plan to achieve sustainable development of our seas.

Enabling creativity and sport

 

Free access maintained to museums and galleries, with 27 million visits to Scotland?s world class national collections since 2007.

Government provided support for Scotland to welcome the world in 2014, with the staging of the Ryder Cup at Gleneagles and the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.

?162 million pumped into Scotland?s screen sector since 2007.

?130 million invested in our cultural infrastructure ? including revamped National Museum of Scotland, National Portrait Gallery, the palace at Stirling Castle.

?16 million direct investment in Edinburgh?s 12 major festivals since 2008.

?25 million for the Victoria and Albert Museum of Design in Dundee.

The new Bannockburn visitor centre which opened in February 2014, and the creation of the Robert Burns Birthplace Museum in Ayrshire which opened in December 2010.

1.5 million opportunities created for young people to take part in youth arts in 2015.

And finally

 

Scotland?s budget protected from a ?7 billion cut by the UK Treasury over the financial arrangements enabling new powers for our Parliament.

Where did you pull this pile of steaming shit from? Wings over Scotland?

 

And if you did, you left out one little point: All paid for by Barnet and the English tax-payer.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Trapper John McIntyre

[Adam Murray]

Clearly weren't capable of disputing his points so took the easy way out here.

 

 

Are they his points though, or is it just a copy and paste, which is pretty easy to do.

 

Broken promises

2011 manifesto

1. Improve educational performance in the PISA survey - performance in mathematics, science and reading has fallen

2. Introduce new guidelines and rules for the delivery of rural education - a consultation was held in 2013 but no legislation has followed

3. Reduce class sizes and improve pupil teacher ratios - the average primary class size increased 

4. Increase support for college bursaries - bursary support has been cut and the average payment has fallen 

5. Introduce 50 new Scottish science and engineering bursaries - no mention since 2011

6. End the postcode lottery of childcare services - only 15 per cent of councils have sufficient childcare available

7. Maintain waiting time standards - six out of eight waiting time targets missed in 2015

8. Increase the early detection of cancers by a quarter - early detection has increased by only eight per cent

9. Ring fence funding for drug treatment services - a real terms cut of ?300,000

10. Deliver the Forth Replacement Crossing on time and on budget - the bridge will be at least five months late

11. Build improvements to the A96 and A9 - the A96 improvements are yet to begin

12. Establish a Future Generations Fund - no mention since 2011

13. Reduce farming bureaucracy - the bungled IT system for subsidy payments increased red tape for farmers

14. Develop a new ?Scottish food fans? grading system - no mention since 2012

15. Introduce a ?1 million Great Scottish Food fund - no mention since 2011

16. Establish a national strategy for fishing dependent areas - no such strategy has been developed

17. Seek withdrawal from the Common Fisheries Policy - this will happen but only as a result of Brexit (which the SNP opposes)

18. Create 2,000 new jobs through Community Jobs Scotland - missed the target by 150 jobs

19. Have the highest rate of broadband uptake in UK - Scotland still has the UK's lowest rate of broadband uptake

20. Build 6,000 new socially rented houses each year - came close in the first year but has fallen well short ever since

21. Introduce a levy on long term empty houses - responsibility passed to councils

22. Devolve more powers to community councils - a working group was set up but the Scottish Government did not act on the recommendations

2007 manifesto

1. Scrap the current council tax system - council tax is to be revamped with wealthier households paying more

2. Introduce free bus travel for school pupils - scrapped within months 

3. Ban the sale of school playing fields - no such ban has been introduced

4. Introduce smaller class sizes in P1?P3 - class sizes are now larger than they were in 10 years ago

5. Create a support fund for children with additional support needs - responsibility passed to councils

6. Scrap the students loans system - ?490million of student loans granted last year

7. Remove the burden of debt repayments owed to Student Loans Company by resident graduates - the SNP Government holds student loans worth ?2.9billion

8. Introduce an 18 week maximum waiting time for treatment - in the last quarter, only 85 per cent of patients were seen within 18 weeks

9. Introduce direct elections to health boards - a pilot was held in Fife but Nicola Sturgeon said the idea was "massively unpopular"

10. Introduce a NHS Redress Bill - no such bill has been introduced, despite a consultation last year

11. Ring fence mental health funding to health boards and local authorities - this has been introduced in Wales but not in Scotland

12. Reduce the use of anti-depressants by 10 per cent by 2009 - the number of prescriptions is up 72 per cent over the decade

13. Introduce 'Life Begins' health checks for over-40s - a screening programme was introduced and then scrapped

14. Meet the two month waiting time for cancer treatment - in the last quarter, only 87 per cent of cancer patients began treatment within two months

15. Ring-fence funding for drugs education - responsibility passed to councils

16. Ensure adequate care homes places for those who need residential care - the number of care home places has fallen by four per cent

17. Double the number of school based nurses - school nurses increased by just seven per cent

18. Introduce annual health checks and individual health plans for every school pupil - pupils are checked on entry to primary school only

19. Introduce a ?10million new entrants scheme for farmers - despite promising annual funding, the ?10million was spread over several years

20. Reduce paperwork in CAP - the new IT system for CAP payments has been a disaster

21. Repatriate fishing powers to the Scottish Parliament - this will happen but only as a result of Brexit (which the SNP opposes)

22. Reduce regulation on farmers - ministers admit they have increased regulation

23. Seek withdrawal from the Common Fisheries Policy - this will happen but only as a result of Brexit (which the SNP opposes)

24. Reduce car ownership - car ownership has remained steady at 70 per cent

25. Increase the proportion of Gaelic speakers up to 2001 levels - the number of Gaelic speakers is down by 1.2 per cent to 58,000

26. Introduce a traffic light system for sex offenders - no progress after a limited pilot in 2007

27. Reinstate the Airborne Initiative - this successful young offenders scheme has been introduced in England but not in Scotland

28. Introduce a First Time Buyers? Grant of ?2,000 - a shared equity scheme has been brought in instead

29. Require a minimum of 25 per cent of all new house development for affordable housing - a guideline has been introduced with no legal backing

[AlphonseCapone]

Are they his points though, or is it just a copy and paste, which is pretty easy to do.

No idea if they are. But no one is interested in actually debating policy points on here in reality are they? It's all polarised one man up ship with plenty trolling.

 

The SNP have done good things, as have any Government, but folk can't acknowledge it because they are so biased.

 

In the same vein, they need their balls booted on education and the NHS. Unfortunately, the opposition are currently toothless. How they haven't made inroads into the SNP share of the vote is ridiculous, and it can't be blamed on fanatics as we know plenty more people vote SNP than support independence.

[kingantti1874]

Clearly weren't capable of disputing his points so took the easy way out here.

I'd suggest those points have been copied from some SNP fanpage .. and It was easy because it's factually correct.

 

Fact is - the SNP have taken the easy road to win the minds of the electorate .. that level spending could have happened outside of the UK could it..

 

Brussels have proven they are not willing to endlessly subsidise the profligacy of small nations haven't they. That also can't be disputed.

 

The SNP could have funded (partially) some of that excessive spending with their tax raising powers but CHOSE not to.. Why? Because it would highlighted their excesses and cost votes..

Edited January 8, 2017 by kingantti1874

[Pans Jambo]

Where did you pull this pile of steaming shit from? Wings over Scotland?

 

And if you did, you left out one little point: All paid for by Barnet and the English tax-payer.

Any points that you disagree with?

So you are saying we didnt contibute a single penny to our overlords coffers in Wastemonster?

Did they not borrow billions in our name and then saddle us with the interest payments?

Scotland runs about 35% of itself with 65% being administrred from London.

Get yer tounge oot their arse son. They are dry riding you.

[kingantti1874]

Any points that you disagree with?

So you are saying we didnt contibute a single penny to our overlords coffers in Wastemonster?

Did they not borrow billions in our name and then saddle us with the interest payments?

Scotland runs about 35% of itself with 65% being administrred from London.

Get yer tounge oot their arse son. They are dry riding you.

SNP logic right there

 

"They borrowed billions then left us with interest payments".. first of all, tou have just boasted about how the SNP have splurged a shit ton of money.. you can criticise Westminster for borrowing then praise the SNP for borrowing.. so which is it borrow or don't borrow..? or like he rest of the Nats do you just change your stance depending on the debate.. FFS

 

Then the use of the term "they" no mate - it was WE.. typical nationalist chip on that shoulder. As I pointed out earlier WE could quite easily have increased taxes to pay for our own excesses but chose not to.. why ?

 

And given the rest of the UK's current defecit is massively less than our own I'd suggest we are the ones doing the riding at the moment.

[Pans Jambo]

SNP logic right there

 

"They borrowed billions then left us with interest payments".. first of all, tou have just boasted about how the SNP have splurged a shit ton of money.. you can criticise Westminster for borrowing then praise the SNP for borrowing.. so which is it borrow or don't borrow..? or like he rest of the Nats do you just change your stance depending on the debate.. FFS

 

Then the use of the term "they" no mate - it was WE.. typical nationalist chip on that shoulder. As I pointed out earlier WE could quite easily have increased taxes to pay for our own excesses but chose not to.. why ?

 

And given the rest of the UK's current defecit is massively less than our own I'd suggest we are the ones doing the riding at the moment.

No, the point is we should be able to borrow ourselves (like any other nation on the planet) but we cant. They borrow on our behalf and then spend it on whatever they want like illeagal wars and Nuclear weapons etc. Then charge us for the interest. Im mot SNP mate but look at this thread title. Im just saying they have not been as bad as the Scottish MSM are painting them to be. I assume you live here too so you have also benefitted. Some folk on here truely believe that we only survive by the goodwill of the English tax payer. Im happy to have them cut is free to fend for ourselves but that point should probably be debated in an independence thread. The fact is the SNP are doing not too badly and the 'Yoons' dont like it!

Can you imagine what the brown noses would say if Scottish taxes were higher than the rUK's? Dinny kid yesel on mate.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Pans Jambo

[coconut doug]

Your only repeating SNP propaganda which is entirely baseless..

 

you won't get to decide for yourself. Brussels or(the Germans) by their real name will dictate.. (see the Irish corp tax arguement with apple) we would have no voice whatsoever in Europe.. and this is all before we get to basic discussions like how would the monstrous defecit be resolved without crippling cuts and tax hikes. It would be economic suicide

 

You guys really need to realise this is never ever going to happen and start focusing on how to improve the country alongside our English, Welsh and northern Irish brothers and sisters.. turkeys do not vote for Christmas.

Would you like to tell me where the propaganda is in my statement. I don't think you are able to because everything I said is true. Which part of what I have said is "entirely baseless"?

 

How utterly surprising to see Unionists debase the debate by once again going on about nationality and ethnicity. Fraternity for the English, Welsh and Northern Irish but derision for Europeans and Germans in particular. It's not Germans who are dictating as you put it. Most Germans are liberal, inclusive and tolerant. Germany is amongst the most socially advanced and cohesive societies on the planet and it is an aversion to this way of living that has prompted our impending departure from the EU. We can't compete with Germany because we don't invest in our people or support our industry and commerce as much as they do. Much easier though to ignore our inherent, deep-seated problems and blame everything on shallow thinking nationalists and  foreigners of one sort or another.

 

You are the propagandist. You say we would have no voice whatsoever in Europe but we would have representatives to speak for Scotland in European institutions and we would have the right of veto.

 

If once again you feel the need to talk about the deficit you should learn to spell the word. We had this conversation before. Scotland does not have a deficit. Why is it that conservatives find it so difficult to assimilate even the smallest pieces of information. You seem to be decrying Scotland for being dependent on the Barnett formula but calling the SNP a joke for making the most of it. It seems you are calling us scroungers but want to deny us the opportunity to stand on our own two feet. Absolutely bizarre imo.

[Thunderstruck]

Where did you pull this pile of steaming shit from? Wings over Scotland?

 

And if you did, you left out one little point: All paid for by Barnet and the English tax-payer.

Quite right and don't forget the ?15bn deficit. They have no answer as to how we would be paying for all of this if they had "Yes" won in 2014.

 

The deluded legion of cutters and pasters lap up such lists as they all seem devoid of any critical faculty.

 

The list started badly with the NHS Budget and went downhill rapidly. Claiming one year out of 10 when they actually spent all of the Barnett allocation on NHS Scotland. In earlier years, at least ?2bn per annum was diverted to other parts of the budget. Before any of the uber-Nats get an aneurysm, that is from Audit Scotland data.

 

Later we read of investment in vessels AND the rescue of the Port Glasgow Yard. Hilarious doesn't come close as, apart from a couple of tiddlers, these vessels were built in Gdansk or Willemshavn. Perhaps, if they had built these in Scotland, the need for a rescue (with much razzmatazz on the eve of the Referendum) could have been avoided.

 

Let's not forget the "Health Tax" levied on Supermarkets selling booze and fags. An opportunity to do good although not a penny saw its way to Health Projects and the question yet to be answered is whether the Independence White Paper and campaign were the beneficiaries.

 

I suppose all of the almost daily tales of woe in NHS, Education, Local Government funding, Policing and Transport are inventions of the nasty MSM. Far better to concentrate on getting air-miles chatting to anyone who might have a spare 5 minutes (including, embarrassingly, Mr Trump) rather than actually run the country. #tenwastedyears

 

 

Oh, nearly forgot, we are getting a new bridge (or "Crossing") - woo-hoo!!

[coconut doug]

I'd suggest those points have been copied from some SNP fanpage .. and It was easy because it's factually correct.

 

Fact is - the SNP have taken the easy road to win the minds of the electorate .. that level spending could have happened outside of the UK could it..

 

Brussels have proven they are not willing to endlessly subsidise the profligacy of small nations haven't they. That also can't be disputed.

 

The SNP could have funded (partially) some of that excessive spending with their tax raising powers but CHOSE not to.. Why? Because it would highlighted their excesses and cost votes..

Which tax raising powers are those?  Are you telling us that Scotland is an inherently profligate nation?  Where are the SNP excesses?

[Trapper John McIntyre]

Any points that you disagree with?

So you are saying we didnt contibute a single penny to our overlords coffers in Wastemonster?

Did they not borrow billions in our name and then saddle us with the interest payments?

Scotland runs about 35% of itself with 65% being administrred from London.

Get yer tounge oot their arse son. They are dry riding you.

If anyone is being fist-fecked its useful idiots like you.

 

Overlords? Feck me. Pretty benign lot if they are. Who else but the English would tolerate *****'s like us?

 

You explain what Scotlands currency will be post Indy. You explain how to deal with the ?15bn deficit. You explain how we source the Scottish NHS. You explain what replaces oil. You explain what happens when Spain and others blackball us from the EU.

 

Get my drift?

[coconut doug]

Quite right and don't forget the ?15bn deficit. They have no answer as to how we would be paying for all of this if they had "Yes" won in 2014.

 

The deluded legion of cutters and pasters lap up such lists as they all seem devoid of any critical faculty.

 

The list started badly with the NHS Budget and went downhill rapidly. Claiming one year out of 10 when they actually spent all of the Barnett allocation on NHS Scotland. In earlier years, at least ?2bn per annum was diverted to other parts of the budget. Before any of the uber-Nats get an aneurysm, that is from Audit Scotland data.

 

Later we read of investment in vessels AND the rescue of the Port Glasgow Yard. Hilarious doesn't come close as, apart from a couple of tiddlers, these vessels were built in Gdansk or Willemshavn. Perhaps, if they had built these in Scotland, the need for a rescue (with much razzmatazz on the eve of the Referendum) could have been avoided.

 

Let's not forget the "Health Tax" levied on Supermarkets selling booze and fags. An opportunity to do good although not a penny saw its way to Health Projects and the question yet to be answered is whether the Independence White Paper and campaign were the beneficiaries.

 

I suppose all of the almost daily tales of woe in NHS, Education, Local Government funding, Policing and Transport are inventions of the nasty MSM. Far better to concentrate on getting air-miles chatting to anyone who might have a spare 5 minutes (including, embarrassingly, Mr Trump) rather than actually run the country. #tenwastedyears

 

 

Oh, nearly forgot, we are getting a new bridge (or "Crossing") - woo-hoo!!

Genuinely pleased to see that the long list of SNP achievements has inspired you to come on here with your usual catalogue of insults and made up nonsense.

[Thunderstruck]

Genuinely pleased to see that the long list of SNP achievements has inspired you to come on here with your usual catalogue of insults and made up nonsense.

Is that all you've got?

 

Is Audit Scotland now "making up nonsense?

 

Did Cal-Mac only dream that they had ships built in the Remontawa Yard in Gdansk?

 

Did Jim McCall only imagine that he snapped-up the Ferguson Yard in Sept 14?

 

Was the Health Supplement actually spent, as promised, on Health or Wellbeing or did Audit Scotland also "make that up"?

 

Are there no problems in NHS, Education, Local Government or Transport or are they all #westminsterbad?

 

Time to open your eyes and see these wreckers for what they are.

[Space Mackerel]

Is that all you've got?

 

Is Audit Scotland now "making up nonsense?

 

Did Cal-Mac only dream that they had ships built in the Remontawa Yard in Gdansk?

 

Did Jim McCall only imagine that he snapped-up the Ferguson Yard in Sept 14?

 

Was the Health Supplement actually spent, as promised, on Health or Wellbeing or did Audit Scotland also "make that up"?

 

Are there no problems in NHS, Education, Local Government or Transport or are they all #westminsterbad?

 

Time to open your eyes and see these wreckers for what they are.

 

Give up please.

 

[deesidejambo]

Got any examples or proof of this?

Try reading Aussies posts. And also the "We hate Toffs" mantra espoused by some on this forum.

Edited January 8, 2017 by deesidejambo

[Pans Jambo]

Is that all you've got?

 

Is Audit Scotland now "making up nonsense?

 

Did Cal-Mac only dream that they had ships built in the Remontawa Yard in Gdansk?

 

Did Jim McCall only imagine that he snapped-up the Ferguson Yard in Sept 14?

 

Was the Health Supplement actually spent, as promised, on Health or Wellbeing or did Audit Scotland also "make that up"?

 

Are there no problems in NHS, Education, Local Government or Transport or are they all #westminsterbad?

 

Time to open your eyes and see these wreckers for what they are.

You mention the NHS.

Scotlands paitients seen within 4hours at a&e is around 94%. In England its around 75% and they have to farm in the Red Cross to help cope.

The SNP is FAR from perfect but the list I posted is true and accurate and it must hurt you lot as much as the 5-1 hurts that lot. It does eh???

You dont like it but there it is. They are doing a decent job and I hope they will continue to do so.

[Trapper John McIntyre]

You mention the NHS.

Scotlands paitients seen within 4hours at a&e is around 94%. In England its around 75% and they have to farm in the Red Cross to help cope.

The SNP is FAR from perfect but the list I posted is true and accurate and it must hurt you lot as much as the 5-1 hurts that lot. It does eh???

You dont like it but there it is. They are doing a decent job and I hope they will continue to do so.

 

 

I suppose this is a made up story too?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/751464/SNP-cancer-treatment-crisis-thousands-delayed-care-Scotland-Nicola-Sturgeon

[Space Mackerel]

I suppose this is a made up story too?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/751464/SNP-cancer-treatment-crisis-thousands-delayed-care-Scotland-Nicola-Sturgeon

Imagine being so stupid to actually read, then believe the Daily Express?

[Trapper John McIntyre]

Imagine being so stupid to actually read, then believe the Daily Express?

Well, you can always try something like Bella Caledonia?

 

Oops! No you can't any longer, can you?

[Space Mackerel]

Well, you can always try something like Bella Caledonia?

 

Oops! No you can't any longer, can you?

The Daily Express ffs

 

It's got a wee picture of William the Conqueror or something in its masthead! What a rocket.

[Trapper John McIntyre]

The Daily Express ffs

 

It's got a wee picture of William the Conqueror or something in its masthead! What a rocket.

Here's a paper with another rocket on the cover:

 

[jake]

Here's a paper with another rocket on the cover:

 

 

But the narrative on it is true.

Although its the same narrative being used by the snp in relation to brexit.

[JKBMod 3]

Several members warned tonight. Please refrain from personal abuse. If you can't then you will be banned from the thread.

 

M3

[Trapper John McIntyre]

Several members warned tonight. Please refrain from personal abuse. If you can't then you will be banned from the thread.

 

M3

 Noted.

[Boris]

Regards this ?15bn deficit....I'm sure I read somewhere that Scotch Whisky exports are not included in Scotlands figures as they leave the UK from English ports etc.

 

If true, then that reduces this figure by (iirc) about ?3bn - OK, hardly cutting it massively, but it begs the question as to how accurate these figures are.

[aussieh]

Fanatics can only smell their own shit and little else.

 

Brexit killed Indy stone dead. Its now time for Westminster to stopped pandering to the Natz with more powers and give them absolutely nothing more. The Natz give nothing back in return. You'd think with 300 years of Union and the experience of running empires that they would know how to handle nationalist fanatics. Seems Westminster has lost its way in this regard.

 

Starve these feckers and kill the *******s and their absurd fantasies off for once and for all.

So I see.

Tick tock

 

What's under the stars? The royals? The Tories? Good you finally showed your rotten to the core loyalist hatred of Scots.

[SE16 3LN]

Regards this ?15bn deficit....I'm sure I read somewhere that Scotch Whisky exports are not included in Scotlands figures as they leave the UK from English ports etc.

 

If true, then that reduces this figure by (iirc) about ?3bn - OK, hardly cutting it massively, but it begs the question as to how accurate these figures are.

Well, if you're sure you read it somewhere I'll believe in its accuracy

[aussieh]

Well, if you're sure you read it somewhere I'll believe in its accuracy

I read voting no guaranteed EU membership, auch well.

[Boris]

Well, if you're sure you read it somewhere I'll believe in its accuracy

 

Very kind of you.  Granted, the source may have been a pro-indy one, but these are the sorts of things that need confirmed, either way.

 

Anyway, a quick internet search since, seems to suggest that the the idea that whisky revenues are NOT included is inaccurate.  But then that source is a pro-unionist one.  They do seem to back it up with HMRC evidence though.

 

So, on a brief look, the suggestion I originally posted looks like it is bollocks..

[aussieh]

Fanatics can only smell their own shit and little else.

 

Brexit killed Indy stone dead. Its now time for Westminster to stopped pandering to the Natz with more powers and give them absolutely nothing more. The Natz give nothing back in return. You'd think with 300 years of Union and the experience of running empires that they would know how to handle nationalist fanatics. Seems Westminster has lost its way in this regard.

 

Starve these feckers and kill the *******s and their absurd fantasies off for once and for all.

Wee Joe Stalin would be so proud, but for the fact he'd have the Queen and her inbred family exterminated like rats should be.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Regards this ?15bn deficit....I'm sure I read somewhere that Scotch Whisky exports are not included in Scotlands figures as they leave the UK from English ports etc.

 

If true, then that reduces this figure by (iirc) about ?3bn - OK, hardly cutting it massively, but it begs the question as to how accurate these figures are.

 

Is that like tax being levied against oil where it comes ashore? 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Here's a paper with another rocket on the cover:

 

 

She looks like writing might be quite difficult.

[AlphonseCapone]

She looks like writing might be quite difficult.

In what way?

[Don Dan]

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1377603-sturgeon-rules-out-holding-independence-referendum-in-2017/

 

BACK TO SLEEP.

[deesidejambo]

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1377603-sturgeon-rules-out-holding-independence-referendum-in-2017/

 

BACK TO SLEEP.

She knows she would get caned anyway so it's a good move. But it won't stop the dafties tick-tocking away.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1377603-sturgeon-rules-out-holding-independence-referendum-in-2017/

 

BACK TO SLEEP.

 

In July 2016 Sturgeon said that Scotland could possibly hold a referendum in 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/17/nicola-sturgeon-would-consider-2017-scottish-independence-referendum-brexit

 

Now she says no we won't, now I wonder what's changed her mind? 

 

Defeat is probably top of the list.

 

 

 

[Don Dan]

She knows she would get caned anyway so it's a good move. But it won't stop the dafties tick-tocking away.

In July 2016 Sturgeon said that Scotland could possibly hold a referendum in 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/17/nicola-sturgeon-would-consider-2017-scottish-independence-referendum-brexit

 

Now she says no we won't, now I wonder what's changed her mind? 

 

Defeat is probably top of the list.

The numbers just aren't there plus I think the realisation that it's impossible for iScotland to join the EU has finally sunk in.

[Space Mackerel]

Might be one in 2018 or 19.

 

Tick tock

[deesidejambo]

Might be one in 2018 or 19.

 

Tick tock

You may need a lot of batteries in yer clock for this one.

[Space Mackerel]

You may need a lot of batteries in yer clock for this one.

Over 50% of the electorate vote SNP. A lot of the younger generation pissed off with Brexit vote. As I've said before, a lot of the older No's will die off with natural causes.

 

Maggie May and co making a hash of said Brexit and about to get the boaby dry of Mrs Merkel and friends. About to become the laughing stock of Europe and the MSM.

 

Donald Trumpet in the White House in a week or sos time.

 

Hmmmmmmmmm...you sure?

[deesidejambo]

Over 50% of the electorate vote SNP. A lot of the younger generation pissed off with Brexit vote. As I've said before, a lot of the older No's will die off with natural causes.

 

Maggie May and co making a hash of said Brexit and about to get the boaby dry of Mrs Merkel and friends. About to become the laughing stock of Europe and the MSM.

 

Donald Trumpet in the White House in a week or sos time.

 

Hmmmmmmmmm...you sure?

You make one mistake that's been pointed out many times before.

 

50% indeed vote SNP for Westminster and Holyrood. But that is because they are happy for Scotland to be represented strongly in these fora.

 

But that doesn't mean they want independence, in fact the more people that are happy with SNP MPs representing them in Westminster the less likely it is they will see a need for Indy.

 

Case in point - my MP is Calum Mcaig. I like him and would be quite happy to vote for him at a GE as I think he represents my area reasonably well.

 

With that in mind why then would I want Indy?

 

Don't conflate having SNP representation in Parliament with wanting Indy. In fact the more voters who are happy with this situation the more likely they stick with it.

 

So at next GE I hope they get 60%

[Francis Albert]

Over 50% of the electorate vote SNP. A lot of the younger generation pissed off with Brexit vote. As I've said before, a lot of the older No's will die off with natural causes.

 

Maggie May and co making a hash of said Brexit and about to get the boaby dry of Mrs Merkel and friends. About to become the laughing stock of Europe and the MSM.

 

Donald Trumpet in the White House in a week or sos time.

 

Hmmmmmmmmm...you sure?

But less than 50% vote for independence, and the polls haven't shifted in favour of independence after the Brexit vote.

 

It's amusing to watch the Bremoaner media on Sturgeon. They just can't get enough of her. They headline gloatingly the risk of break up of the UK on the back of her threat of a second indy ref despite the fact that there is not a shred of evidence that a second indy ref would provide a result different from the first.

 

As for the old dying out - well they do, but that has never resulted in the usually predominant left/socialist ideals of the young translating into electoral success for the left and socialism. The old die. The young grow old.

[Space Mackerel]

But less than 50% vote for independence, and the polls haven't shifted in favour of independence after the Brexit vote.

 

It's amusing to watch the Bremoaner media on Sturgeon. They just can't get enough of her. They headline gloatingly the risk of break up of the UK on the back of her threat of a second indy ref despite the fact that there is not a shred of evidence that a second indy ref would provide a result different from the first.

 

As for the old dying out - well they do, but that has never resulted in the usually predominant left/socialist ideals of the young translating into electoral success for the left and socialism. The old die. The young grow old.

Not a shred of evidence? Herald had the support for indy at pretty much the same. Not this utter pish that it had fallen to 35%, released in St Andrews Day of all days.

 

People are waking up to the MSM guff, it's happened in 2014, Brexit and the US Elections now. So much so the MSM and Facebook are peddling the fake news now. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

Times up, independence will happen, probably in the next 10 years, maybe 15.

 

Oh, and oil is on the way up, BP heid honcho says North Sea has a rosey future the other day.

[Australis]

Yesterday she was "not bluffing", today its not this year. The cult followers want freeeeeeeeeeeeedum and nothing else.

 

Schools,police,education all failing badly under the SNP, they were going to cut school classes to 18 ten years ago and end poverty and foodbanks.

Cult followers dont care about that though.

I wonder if Eck will have to come back to the rescue. The cult supporters will not be happy promises all broken

 

Nicola has seen lots of Europe though, and keeping it a secret what the Europeans told her, I wonder why.

Oil earned us ?60 million last year and it will take ?24 billion to decommisson the oil rigs which are running dry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-decommissioning-north-sea-wipe-future-tax-revenues/

 

This on top of a 15 billion deficit last year from the Scottish Governments own Gers figures, and the end of the Barnett formula if they got indy. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

 

Still not telling us who our lender of last resort would be If not the Bank of England, or what currency we will use.

[Space Mackerel]

Oh, and another ?107m into local government today to provide elderly care at home.

 

http://news.gov.scot/news/gbp-107m-for-health-and-social-care-integration

 

Who is going to wipe your bum in old age down there in Laaandan FA? You're booting oot all the migrants who currently do it.

[Space Mackerel]

Yesterday she was "not bluffing", today its not this year. The cult followers want freeeeeeeeeeeeedum and nothing else.

 

Schools,police,education all failing badly under the SNP, they were going to cut school classes to 18 ten years ago and end poverty and foodbanks.

Cult followers dont care about that though.

I wonder if Eck will have to come back to the rescue. The cult supporters will not be happy promises all broken

 

Nicola has seen lots of Europe though, and keeping it a secret what the Europeans told her, I wonder why.

Oil earned us ?60 million last year and it will take ?24 billion to decommisson the oil rigs which are running dry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-decommissioning-north-sea-wipe-future-tax-revenues/

 

This on top of a 15 billion deficit last year from the Scottish Governments own Gers figures, and the end of the Barnett formula if they got indy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

 

Still not telling us who our lender of last resort would be If not the Bank of England, or what currency we will use.

Telegraph and we had some dafty with his Express links the other day too.

 

And the BBC are hardly the bastions of truth up here either.

One hour documentary on their propaganda up here. All backed up with facts.

 

[Arnold Rothstein]

As for the old dying out - well they do, but that has never resulted in the usually predominant left/socialist ideals of the young translating into electoral success for the left and socialism. The old die. The young grow old.

 

A point i've made to him in the past which he conveniently ignored. 

[Space Mackerel]

A point i've made to him in the past which he conveniently ignored.

What's your point Arnie?

 

The last bastions of Scottish Conservatism are dying off, they used to the dominant party up here until the 50-60's. Explain it to me.