doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Oh look, the Scottish Government never borrowed a penny in 2015, lived within its means. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34426237 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pedantry coming.......no they didn't - they spent every last penny they were given ( a disproportionately high figure) inc their share of UK borrowing ( again higher than any other part) Had they lived within their means they would have spent no more than the denizens of Scotland paid into the UK exchequer. They didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Pedantry coming.......no they didn't - they spent every last penny they were given ( a disproportionately high figure) inc their share of UK borrowing ( again higher than any other part) Had they lived within their means they would have spent no more than the denizens of Scotland paid into the UK exchequer. They didn't Yes the did. The figures state exactly what the got and spent. What you wont find in ANY figures is the billions squirreled away by the UK government taken from Scotland and dressed up as 'UK Income'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yes the did. The figures state exactly what the got and spent. What you wont find in ANY figures is the billions squirreled away by the UK government taken from Scotland and dressed up as 'UK Income'. You suggesting that Scotland is running at a budget surplus? Not even the SNP are claiming that one.......................................... The country is running at a deficit. The SNP could, so they choose, explain how post Indy, we would no longer be running at a deficit. If they did, I might vote for them But they cant. IN fact in the last ref they could not even tell me what currency I would have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) So there's about 180ish + independent countries in the world but Scotland cant be one because as has been argued on this very page, it cant afford it (But staying in a union that ?2Tn in debt is OK though). The country that gave the world: The Telephone The Flushing Toilet The Pedal Bycicle Whisky Television The Fax Machine The Pneumatic Tyre Radio Radar Penicilln The Hypodermic Needle Typhoid Vaccine Mammal Cloning (Dolly) Criminal Fingerprinting Colour Photography The Refrigerator Golf Tar Roads The Raincoat The US Navy and the BANK of ENGLAND This wee country, cannot be independent but over 180+ countries can be. Why is that exactly? Edited January 27, 2017 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 You suggesting that Scotland is running at a budget surplus? Not even the SNP are claiming that one.......................................... The country is running at a deficit. The SNP could, so they choose, explain how post Indy, we would no longer be running at a deficit. If they did, I might vote for them But they cant. IN fact in the last ref they could not even tell me what currency I would have Aye I agree with you on the currency thing. Salmond made a pigs ear of that one. He should have just said its the Scottish pound and that's that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 So there's about 180ish + independent countries in the world but Scotland cant be one because as has been argued on this very page, it cant afford it (But staying in a union that ?2Tn in debt is OK though). The country that gave the world: The Telephone The Flushing Toilet The Pedal Bycicle Whisky Television The Fax Machine The Pneumatic Tyre Radio Radar Penicilln The Hypodermic Needle Typhoid Vaccine Mammal Cloning (Dolly) Criminal Fingerprinting Colour Photography The Refrigerator Golf Tar Roads The Raincoat The US Navy and the BANK of ENGLAND This wee country, cannot be independent but over 180+ countries can be. Why is that exactly? I think the majority of No voters realise Scotland could go it alone but have no desire for it to do so. I certainly fall into that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 So there's about 180ish + independent countries in the world but Scotland cant be one because as has been argued on this very page, it cant afford it (But staying in a union that ?2Tn in debt is OK though). The country that gave the world: The Telephone The Flushing Toilet The Pedal Bycicle Whisky Television The Fax Machine The Pneumatic Tyre Radio Radar Penicilln The Hypodermic Needle Typhoid Vaccine Mammal Cloning (Dolly) Criminal Fingerprinting Colour Photography The Refrigerator Golf Tar Roads The Raincoat The US Navy and the BANK of ENGLAND This wee country, cannot be independent but over 180+ countries can be. Why is that exactly? We did all of those things as part of the Union. Certainly we could survive independently- of course we could- but it would be a real mess for a while, and I don't want that See how Brexit goes with the return of our fishing fleet and independent UK trade deals, and UK energy policy etc if it all goes wrong then yep Indy has my support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We did all of those things as part of the Union. Certainly we could survive independently- of course we could- but it would be a real mess for a while, and I don't want that See how Brexit goes with the return of our fishing fleet and independent UK trade deals, and UK energy policy etc if it all goes wrong then yep Indy has my support Oh it's going to wrong alright, most people wth a modicum of common sense can see that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Oh it's going to wrong alright, most people wth a modicum of common sense can see that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk so UK independence and UK nationalism = bad UK leaving a Union is REALLY bad but Scottish Nationalism= good Scotland leaving a Union= good Glad I don't have your level of common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Oh it's going to wrong alright, most people wth a modicum of common sense can see that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk How many points? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 so UK independence and UK nationalism = bad UK leaving a Union is REALLY bad but Scottish Nationalism= good Scotland leaving a Union= good Glad I don't have your level of common sense As far as I'm aware, the UK was pretty independent before Brexit. You just swallowed a load of Red White n Blue xenophobic bollocks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We did all of those things as part of the Union. Certainly we could survive independently- of course we could- but it would be a real mess for a while, and I don't want that See how Brexit goes with the return of our fishing fleet and independent UK trade deals, and UK energy policy etc if it all goes wrong then yep Indy has my support OK but which ones benefited from assistance from our overlords in London? The US Navy perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) so UK independence and UK nationalism = bad UK leaving a Union is REALLY bad but Scottish Nationalism= good Scotland leaving a Union= good Glad I don't have your level of common sense Well see theres another misconception from the No leaning folks. Scotland controls around 30% of itself and 70% is reserved to Westminster. As part of the EU, the UK balance of power is around 95% to the UK and only around 5% to the EU Scotland is not in a union or an equal partner at only 30% is it? The brexit vote was due to Xenophobia and lies. Theres no way we will have ?30Million extra a day (or whatever the figure was claimed to be during the run up to the Brexit vote) to spend on the NHS (in any case the Tories are trying their best to privatise it anyway) It was all a load of pish and England sucked it up. Edited January 27, 2017 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The Yoonys on here have been into "alternative facts" well before that blonde bird in the US coined the phrase. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Well see theres another misconception from the No leaning folks. Scotland controls around 30% of itself and 70% is reserved to Westminster. As part of the EU, the UK balance of power is around 95% to the UK and only around 5% to the EU Scotland is not in a union or an equal partner at only 30% is it? The brexit vote was due to Xenophobia and lies. Theres no way we will have ?30Million extra a day (or whatever the figure was claimed to be during the run up to the Brexit vote) to spend on the NHS (in any case the Tories are trying their best to privatise it anyway) It was all a load of pish and England sucked it up. British Nationalism= BAD English Nationalism = BAD American Nationalism= BAD French Nationalism =BAD Italian Nationalism = BAD Greek Nationalism - BAD Irish Nationalism- incredibly BAD German Nationalism = BAD Russian Nationalism = BAD Scottish Nationalism - Good So when UK votes for independence its based on xenophobia and lies, but the SNP campaign was run on honey and pixie dust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Well see theres another misconception from the No leaning folks. Scotland controls around 30% of itself and 70% is reserved to Westminster. As part of the EU, the UK balance of power is around 95% to the UK and only around 5% to the EU Scotland is not in a union or an equal partner at only 30% is it? The brexit vote was due to Xenophobia and lies. Theres no way we will have ?30Million extra a day (or whatever the figure was claimed to be during the run up to the Brexit vote) to spend on the NHS (in any case the Tories are trying their best to privatise it anyway) It was all a load of pish and England sucked it up. And those who voted Remain (not just English, but a lot of Scots) presumably sucked up the prediction that a Leave vote would plunge us into immediate recession and new austerity measures, with accompanying rise in unemployment and everyone being thousands of pounds worse off. You can make up stuff about the Leave vote for as long as you like, but Leave won. Get over it. And the great hope (that had Salmond purring and smugly grinning after the result) that it would boost support for Scottish independence has simply not materialised. Edited January 27, 2017 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 British Nationalism= AWESOME English Nationalism = GOOD American Nationalism= GOOD French Nationalism =GOOD Italian Nationalism = GOOD Greek Nationalism - GOOD Irish Nationalism- incredibly GOOD German Nationalism = GOOD Russian Nationalism = GOOD Scottish Nationalism - EXTREMELY BAD!!! So when UK votes for independence its based on xenophobia and lies, but the SNP campaign was run on honey and pixie dust Oh come on DJ! You know as well as I do the leave campaign for the Brexit vote was wholly negative and was only granted because UKIP and Farrage badgered the Tory back benchers with their poison about immigration and folk stealing all the jobs etc. Then they blatantly lied about the amounts of money we were supposedly send to the EU and what we would spend it on when we stop sending it. The whole thing was based on immigration and free movement across Europe. The Syrian refugee crisis only added fuel to the fire. You know this to be true. It was based on xenophobia and fear. The Indy referendum was completely different. The Yes campaign was (on the whole) a positive message whereby (IMO) the No campaign was negative and was rightly called out for what it was. Fear-mongering and to be fair, it had the desired effect as folk sucked it up. Lies too, the Vow, the only way to remain in the EU is to vote no etc. And by the way, I have fixed your post above to reflect a more accurate truth for you No voters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 And those who voted Remain (not just English, but a lot of Scots) presumably sucked up the prediction that a Leave vote would plunge us into immediate recession, with accompanying rise in unemployment and everyone being thousands of pounds worse off. You can make up stuff about the Leave vote for as long as you like, but Leave won. Get over it. I havent made up anything. Not sure what you are referring to FA. Yes, I'm aware leave won and to be honest, I couldnt give a shit. We haven't actually left yet so that recession may still happen in a couple of years who knows. Sterling took a tanking overnight after the vote and I left for Florida the week after so it had a direct affect on me I can tell you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I havent made up anything. Not sure what you are referring to FA. Yes, I'm aware leave won and to be honest, I couldnt give a shit. We haven't actually left yet so that recession may still happen in a couple of years who knows. Sterling took a tanking overnight after the vote and I left for Florida the week after so it had a direct affect on me I can tell you that. You made up the "facts" that Brexit won because of lies and xenophobia, that believing in controlling borders equates to xenophobia, and that the Brexit campaign lied and misled leading to Brexit votes while the Remain campaign's lies and misleading forecasts didn't attract Remain votes. I was in the States at the time of the vote and took an immediate hit to my pocket - so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 You made up the "facts" that Brexit won because of lies and xenophobia, that believing in controlling borders equates to xenophobia, and that the Brexit campaign lied and misled leading to Brexit votes while the Remain campaign's lies and misleading forecasts didn't attract Remain votes. I was in the States at the time of the vote and took an immediate hit to my pocket - so what? Wait, are you saying the leave campaign was accurate? Even Boris was embarrassed. I only mentioned Sterling because you said I thought there may be a recession which hasn't happened (yet). Anyway, as I said, I'm really not bothered about the whole EU thing to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wait, are you saying the leave campaign was accurate? Even Boris was embarrassed. I only mentioned Sterling because you said I thought there may be a recession which hasn't happened (yet). Anyway, as I said, I'm really not bothered about the whole EU thing to be honest. I was saying both campaigns (as with every campaign and increasingly so) were misleading and inaccurate, based on simplistic propaganda not argument, analysis or fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Yes campaign positive yes but based on a brigadoon utopia. 600 page White paper that spelled economic disaster for Scotland and no realistic proposals for a currency once we were on our own. ps - sorry but I haven't had the opportunity to check if W H Smith are now stocking Scottish spring water. Edited January 27, 2017 by Stuart Lyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yes campaign positive yes but based on a brigadoon utopia. 600 page White paper that spelled economic disaster for Scotland and no realistic proposals for a currency once we were on our own. ps - sorry but I haven't had the opportunity to check if W H Smith are now stocking Scottish spring water. The currency this was folly as I said in an earlier post above but can you elaborate on the 600 pages and why it spelled an economic disaster? Not sure that can be qualified. More like an opinion. Anyway, that was the SNP's vision which a lot of folk disagreed with and maybe would not have been policy if Yes had won and they were not returned to power in an Indy Scotland. We will not know until the next referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wait, are you saying the leave campaign was accurate? Even Boris was embarrassed. I only mentioned Sterling because you said I thought there may be a recession which hasn't happened (yet). Anyway, as I said, I'm really not bothered about the whole EU thing to be honest. All the campaigns were packed with lies and mistruths. Both sides were horrific Both lacked vision Both used intimidation I don't believe any of the feckers As soon as I see someone with a real vision- a currency and a viable plan, I'll vote for them. Brexit saddens me- I see myself as European- I love France, Italy, Spain, Germany and so on- but Europe is a mess, the Euro is a mess that has made my trips to these places so much more expensive Immigration is a real issue there. Its a tinderbox, and has been since 2008 Independence for Scotland at present would mean shackling ourselves to the Italian banks and the German economy. No ta. If its indy- its full indy- our own currency , outside the EU, and a Republic to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 All the campaigns were packed with lies and mistruths. Both sides were horrific Both lacked vision Both used intimidation I don't believe any of the feckers As soon as I see someone with a real vision- a currency and a viable plan, I'll vote for them. Brexit saddens me- I see myself as European- I love France, Italy, Spain, Germany and so on- but Europe is a mess, the Euro is a mess that has made my trips to these places so much more expensive Immigration is a real issue there. Its a tinderbox, and has been since 2008 Independence for Scotland at present would mean shackling ourselves to the Italian banks and the German economy. No ta. If its indy- its full indy- our own currency , outside the EU, and a Republic to boot. Not a lot there to argue against to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 All the campaigns were packed with lies and mistruths. Both sides were horrific Both lacked vision Both used intimidation I don't believe any of the feckers As soon as I see someone with a real vision- a currency and a viable plan, I'll vote for them. Brexit saddens me- I see myself as European- I love France, Italy, Spain, Germany and so on- but Europe is a mess, the Euro is a mess that has made my trips to these places so much more expensive Immigration is a real issue there. Its a tinderbox, and has been since 2008 Independence for Scotland at present would mean shackling ourselves to the Italian banks and the German economy. No ta. If its indy- its full indy- our own currency , outside the EU, and a Republic to boot. Spot on, if we go for Independence we go for full Independence, anything less isn't real Independence. If Scotland could survive outside of the UK as many on here believe we can, then we as sure as hell can survive outside the EU as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Pedantry coming.......no they didn't - they spent every last penny they were given ( a disproportionately high figure) inc their share of UK borrowing ( again higher than any other part) Had they lived within their means they would have spent no more than the denizens of Scotland paid into the UK exchequer. They didnt The Scottish government budget is one third of Scottish revenue, the rest is spent by WM. Usually to fund tax cuts.The Scottish government doesn't decide on the economy, its job is health, education, agriculture and justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Sorry if im mistaken but dont you take skiing classes? Sorry if im mistaken but dont you take skiing classes? Yes I do, but not sure what that has to do with my assertion that the "we hate Tory Toffs" banners were used in the areas coined by Brian Cox (not me) as the Schemes. Both Eck and Nicola were filmed standing on front of the banners. Those on this thread will deny that happened of course, but there you go. It was a crass attempt to influence those in predominantly DE areas to vote based on hatred of Tories instead of a positive campaign on the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Hate to say it but this thread is a waste of time. The following can safely be said 1) Posters such as Space M and others who support the SNP will never change their opinion and will back the SNP regardless of what they actually achieve or fail to achieve. 2) Posters such as Mars P and Deeside will never support the SNP and will never change their opinion regardless of what they actually achieve or fail to achieve. 3) aussieh will continue to post utter drivel that would embarrass a 5 year old and make up words. When he dies, he can have mintit inscribed on his tombstone. No-one will understand what it means. Brexit is that a made up word, if people did make up words we'd be, let me see what's the word for it. Dumb.Any way, Mintit, sortit, merrit ur aw guid Scots wurds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Brexit is that a made up word, if people did make up words we'd be, let me see what's the word for it. Dumb. Any way, Mintit, sortit, merrit ur aw guid Scots wurds. You made up the word Britland so what does that make you? Dumber? Edited January 27, 2017 by Mister T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Oh the irony. You made up the word Britland so what does that make you? Dumber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yes I do, but not sure what that has to do with my assertion that the "we hate Tory Toffs" banners were used in the areas coined by Brian Cox (not me) as the Schemes. Both Eck and Nicola were filmed standing on front of the banners. Those on this thread will deny that happened of course, but there you go. It was a crass attempt to influence those in predominantly DE areas to vote based on hatred of Tories instead of a positive campaign on the issues. By your own admission, you are a bit of a Tory toff are you not? Saying that street urchins are poorer skiing learners than the bairns from Fettes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 You made up the word Britland so what does that make you? Dumber?I did, but I pity the fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 You made up the word Britland so what does that make you? Dumber?It should've read didn't, is that ok, I made a mistake. Shit, more proof Scots can't do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Brexit is that a made up word, if people didn't make up words we'd be, let me see what's the word for it. Dumb. Any way, Mintit, sortit, merrit ur aw guid Scots wurds. sortit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 By your own admission, you are a bit of a Tory toff are you not? Saying that street urchins are poorer skiing learners than the bairns from Fettes. Here SM, did u see this, me neither.More lies, fake news, propaganda. Show us the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Here SM, did u see this, me neither. More lies, fake news, propaganda. Show us the photos. This has been doing the rounds on social media right now. How apt. https://digitalsynopsis.com/inspiration/privileged-kids-on-a-plate-pencilsword-toby-morris/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I don't really get what your trying to say. For a start not everyone from those countries views themselves as whatever country you listed off. Whilst, you have no point surely we all want the best whether that is Edinburgh, Scotland, European or world. You are viewing at nationalistic as your driver is Scotland only. You jump immediately to country; not political, social, economic but straght to country to create your divide. I'm surprised you don't view yourself as nationalistic. Granted a football forum, is a nonsense to make an informed opinion, but you appear very nationalistic. That's not a criticism just an observation. As for snp or anyone else can't blame someone else if info occurs. You do understand one of the basic principals of politics. Blame someone else! Do you seriously think standards would improve as Westminster wasn't to blame? Your being very niave imo. Why will standards improve? Will politicians work harder? Will they become smarter? Will become more in tune with constinancy. How do they suddenly jump to an improved level? They will still be held accountable by the same peopl, their constituency, indi or not. Youve missed the point completely about austerity. Countries survive very differently from these things and putting yourself into a pearloid economic situation, voluntary, never good. You can never predict the future but you can way up probability. To be honest, I've read the last few pages of this thread and remember why don't comment much here now. I respect your opinion, but I doubt very little we're going to change each other's opinion. I think our political views are probably quite wide apart but ultimately I think out view of utopia (if can call it that) would be very similar. Just different ways going about it guess. Take it easy I've read this 4 times and have no idea what you're trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've read this 4 times and have no idea what you're trying to say. That's a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 By your own admission, you are a bit of a Tory toff are you not? Saying that street urchins are poorer skiing learners than the bairns from Fettes. Voting Tory once in my life, and that was a tactical vote to try and boot the SNP from my seat will hardly describe me as a Tory Toff. So you talk garbage again. And yes, I'm out in the Alps teaching again and its the same story. Note I never mentioned Private schools, you did. I have one decent state school from Wolverhampton and one from Newcastle. The difference in behaviour is easy to recognise. The Wolverhampton kids are in general on time and attentive. A fair percentage of the Newcastle kids don't bother turning up. This behaviour is noted by all the instructors, not just me. And to respond to another poster - I may one day vote for independence if I feel it is right for my family. But at the moment it is driven by grievance politics of hatred of Tories and the English. That approach I despise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/why-have-polls-not-shown-shift-towards-scottish-in/ Mintit? Tick-tock? And I forgot - execute all No voters and the Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Spot on, if we go for Independence we go for full Independence, anything less isn't real Independence. If Scotland could survive outside of the UK as many on here believe we can, then we as sure as hell can survive outside the EU as well. Very curious as to why the pro-independence posters haven't replied to your point on full independence ( it might be you're on their ignore list ) Got to say in amongst the cat fights there are some excellent arguments being made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/358555/exclusive-dundee-mp-chris-law-cleared-financial-wrongdoing-four-month-police-probe/ Cleared of all wrongdoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/358555/exclusive-dundee-mp-chris-law-cleared-financial-wrongdoing-four-month-police-probe/ Cleared of all wrongdoing. Not a lot of these MP's and MSP's have ended up in court, none I can think of. Sounds like a load of made up nonsense and an organised smear campaign by the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Voting Tory once in my life, and that was a tactical vote to try and boot the SNP from my seat will hardly describe me as a Tory Toff. So you talk garbage again. And yes, I'm out in the Alps teaching again and its the same story. Note I never mentioned Private schools, you did. I have one decent state school from Wolverhampton and one from Newcastle. The difference in behaviour is easy to recognise. The Wolverhampton kids are in general on time and attentive. A fair percentage of the Newcastle kids don't bother turning up. This behaviour is noted by all the instructors, not just me. And to respond to another poster - I may one day vote for independence if I feel it is right for my family. But at the moment it is driven by grievance politics of hatred of Tories and the English. That approach I despise. I've yet to see an anti English post on this thread apart from aussie who I believe is winding yous up and you bite. I follow loads of social media pro Independent pages on FB and never see any either, in fact, it's usually a Yoony coming on and doing all the WJK and to poor, too wee, too stupid comments. Just read one now on the Nationals page, who was quickly shot down by someone saying grow up and engage in debate. And as for kids from Newcastle not turning up, maybe re-evaluate your teaching methods, get a bit more hip and down with them. I've skied since I was 12, some of these instructors are a bit posh and snobby if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Oh dear,New Liebour donates their hard earned pennies towards UKIP,whatever next,eh? http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0245093 Roll on Independence Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Oh dear,New Liebour donates their hard earned pennies towards UKIP,whatever next,eh? http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0245093 Roll on Independence Day. Labour are utterly finished up here now. They are going to be annihilated at the next local elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I've yet to see an anti English post on this thread apart from aussie who I believe is winding yous up and you bite. I follow loads of social media pro Independent pages on FB and never see any either, in fact, it's usually a Yoony coming on and doing all the WJK and to poor, too wee, too stupid comments. Just read one now on the Nationals page, who was quickly shot down by someone saying grow up and engage in debate. And as for kids from Newcastle not turning up, maybe re-evaluate your teaching methods, get a bit more hip and down with them. I've skied since I was 12, some of these instructors are a bit posh and snobby if you ask me. You again assume incorrectly. I am teaching the Wolverhampton kids and it's 5 other Instructurs doing Newcastle. As for Ski Instructors being posh well I grew up in a Council House in Methil and most of the other instructors are smelly scumbags like me. But you are right that it's Aussie who trolls on the Kill The English mandate. But the "We will not be ruled by Tory Toffs" banners were displayed in the Schemes to promote hatred and grievance which is why I respond in the way I do. I detest that approach. Mintit. Tick-Tock etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Labour are utterly finished up here now. They are going to be annihilated at the next local elections. Not only up here. They will get pummelled down south as well as UKIP move in to capture the votes in the industrial heartlands. UKIP are excellent campaigners and I think they will lose votes back to the Tories but gain from Labour if they play it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Labour are utterly finished up here now. They are going to be annihilated at the next local elections.Yep,another win for us.Kilmarnock East & Hurlford (East Ayshire) result: 25/1/17. SNP: 48.7% (+2.1) LAB: 29.4% (-16.6) CON: 20.1% (+12.7) LBT: 1.8% (+1.8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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