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davemclaren

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Opened in 1969 at a cost of ?200k. Strongest thing I had in it was a bottle of Coca Cola bought by my old man as I was far to young to drink. [emoji1]

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Mr Sifter

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Opened in 1969 at a cost of ?200k. Strongest thing I had in it was a bottle of Coca Cola bought by my old man as I was far to young to drink. [emoji1]

Cheers for the pics. I take it that one is of the upstairs part of the building? With the windows on the lhs of the pic being those that face out onto the car park?

 

Amazing to think that the custodians of the club could **** up a revenue source in the way they seemingly did. It's like us building this new stand and not being able to make a profit on the beer we sell there...mental!!

 

How badly was the club being run when we had to sell this off to the council?

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Deodato

I can't wait to see Tynecastle completed; four steep stands towering over the pitch. It will look fantastic, our spiritual home, snuggled deep in the heart of our community, our streets, our pubs and our transport, a modern stadium surrounded by oldie-worldie tenements, unlike those soulless retail park stadia on the edge of nowhere with only Homebase and Frankie and Bennys to keep them company.  

 

 

From the plans, ours seems like two buildings. One, the stand itself, taking us up to 20,000, the other part at the front, a modern steel and glass block giving us all the space and facilities we require.

 

 

A new stand, a bigger stand,  a safe stand, a smarter stand, bigger capacity, higher attendances, proper facilities and money-spinning corporate and banqueting suites.

 

 

Add to that, the world-class facilities at Riccarton and the 'sell' to players of working and living in Edinburgh, we really will have everything we need.

 

Reading this is like drinking Kronenbourg lager on a hot summers day.

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Old Castle Rock

Reading this is like drinking Kronenbourg lager on a hot summers day.

Or a nice cuppa tea and a slice of chocolate cake on a cold winters day

Aahhh bisto, bring out the Branston

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farin

Great photos.

[emoji1303]

 

Cheers for the pics. I take it that one is of the upstairs part of the building? With the windows on the lhs of the pic being those that face out onto the car park?

 

Amazing to think that the custodians of the club could **** up a revenue source in the way they seemingly did. It's like us building this new stand and not being able to make a profit on the beer we sell there...mental!!

 

How badly was the club being run when we had to sell this off to the council?

Yep, the rosebery suite function hall was on the top floor & the ace of hearts club on the ground, the social work building was called the Midlothian club at the time too. 3 clubs/bars & it failed through mis-management.

 

Poor attendances & directors that weren't millionaires to prop the hearts up through the hard times were prob the main cause tbh. We just sank into a malaise of sorts ownership wise in the 70's.

 

Fans were told next to nothing back then unlike today too. We didn't have the internet to vent our spleen on after a bad result either.. [emoji1]

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Opened in 1969 at a cost of ?200k. Strongest thing I had in it was a bottle of Coca Cola bought by my old man as I was far to young to drink. [emoji1]

Bloody he'll that brings back loads of childhood memories. My old boy was a member . He always had a couple of pints after a game. We would see players in there and that was a huge thing.

My biggest memory though was they had a display when Willie Bauld passed away. His Scotland caps and strips etc was in a, glass case. Anyway the manager woman opened the cabinets and brought out the strips so I could touch them!!!

I still remember that heavily embroidered Scotland badge with gold stitching. Had his old heavy v neck proper maroon Hearts top in my hand. Amazing to think . Wouldn't get that nowadays. A memory I'll take with me forever.

The old ground holds so many memories for so many.

Edit to say I'd have been 8 or 9.

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jamboinglasgow

I can't wait to see Tynecastle completed; four steep stands towering over the pitch. It will look fantastic, our spiritual home, snuggled deep in the heart of our community, our streets, our pubs and our transport, a modern stadium surrounded by oldie-worldie tenements, unlike those soulless retail park stadia on the edge of nowhere with only Homebase and Frankie and Bennys to keep them company.  

 

 

From the plans, ours seems like two buildings. One, the stand itself, taking us up to 20,000, the other part at the front, a modern steel and glass block giving us all the space and facilities we require.

 

 

A new stand, a bigger stand,  a safe stand, a smarter stand, bigger capacity, higher attendances, proper facilities and money-spinning corporate and banqueting suites.

 

 

Add to that, the world-class facilities at Riccarton and the 'sell' to players of working and living in Edinburgh, we really will have everything we need.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

I find mad (in a good way) that thanks to the new stand being the same (pitch side) as the others then Tynecastle will be even more enclosed, which means greater atmosphere, more intimidating for the opposition and hopefully unique. Yet behind it has everything to take us forward and bring more revenue to improve the club. I just cant wait to see it up.

 

Plus, the way the construction goes, with the buildings behind the main stand knocked down first before work starts building, it gives the main stand one last chance to stand proud before its incorporated into a better structure. Plus how strange will it look when they put the truss above it (which appears to be the first thing they are planning to build.

 

As the for main stand, I can understand if some have no love for it or fondness. It is a run down building which has not kept with the times. But the memories that place have brought will live on, my first Hearts game, I was at the front of the main stand.

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3fingersreid

I vaguely recall my dad saying that the Merchiston Hearts were looking into moving into the area of the buildings around the 1950/60's

 

Have to say I'm taking in every little detail of the "Grand Old Lady" as I go to my seat at our home games and whilst I'll miss it ,it's time to move on.

I hope I get the chance to buy my seat tho as it would look good in the garden .

 

Got to say any time I hear the words , main stand and asbestos together it's usually in a disparaging way and used by a supporter of a certain championship team , just saying ;)

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Stephen Muddie

Now...... don't get me wrong........ this can only ever be seen as fantastic, so please don't take this the wrong way.

 

BUT............. despite wanting this new stand for as long as matters, I must confess to being a little bit sad now the the ball is finally rolling.

 

That old stand has been the one and only thing which has remained constant throughout my Hearts supporting life, and its going to be an emotional goodbye when it does finally come down.

 

Like I say, i'm in no way suggesting 'scrap the new stand, lets keep the old one' - but I do feel a whole lot more emotional at the prospect of losing the old stand than I ever thought I would.

I feel the same about that as redelopment happened not long supporting the club. I hoped the new stand would be a little bigger in capacity to stick out a bit as a main stand. Maybe it will. A mostly unused and out of sight 2nd tier or something I think I was hoping for, but happy enough and very excited looking at these photos.

 

It's going to be weird, it's going to be emotional. But it's going to be good.

 

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J.T.F.Robertson

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Opened in 1969 at a cost of ?200k. Strongest thing I had in it was a bottle of Coca Cola bought by my old man as I was far to young to drink. [emoji1]

Although I'm pretty much a lager guy, I seem to remember them having a decent pint of McEwan's Pale Ale.

I've no idea why that comes to mind if ever I think of The Ace of Hearts.

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jonnothejambo

I used to live at 10 McLeod Street, in one of the tenements that were demolished many years ago. Just up from where the new school is.

 

I lived there in the early to mid 1960's.

 

We used to play football on the shale area that was there and was replaced by the current building.

 

Round the perimeter there were trees and on occasions the players would have a kick about with us.

 

One of my abiding memories of Tynecastle and Gorgie.

 

Cannot wait to see the work in progress.

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Opened in 1969 at a cost of ?200k. Strongest thing I had in it was a bottle of Coca Cola bought by my old man as I was far to young to drink. [emoji1]

Great photos Farin.

 

That looks like The Midlothian club looking back from the dance floor/stage. The puggy machine was through the doors and back down the stairs where I used to head with my coke and a few 10ps to play the machine.

 

I think The Midlothian club might have closed later in the 70s as I seem to remember being there quite a lot growing up in the 70s.

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Clerry Jambo

Great photo of the old lounge, your good old 70's style room!!

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Wonfiveone

So which one seems like the likely scenario here?

Neither. Reading the earlier posts, if correct, then it sounds to me as if the club are going down a Construction Management, i.e. separate trades contracts procurement route, which only works if the right person or organisation is appointed as Construction Manager, in my experience.

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Ray has bus pass hooray

I used to live at 10 McLeod Street, in one of the tenements that were demolished many years ago. Just up from where the new school is.

 

I lived there in the early to mid 1960's.

 

We used to play football on the shale area that was there and was replaced by the current building.

 

Round the perimeter there were trees and on occasions the players would have a kick about with us.

 

One of my abiding memories of Tynecastle and Gorgie.

 

Cannot wait to see the work in progress.

Hi Jonno, i was a Wheatfield Placer from 1957-1979 some lads from Mcleod St used to come round and join in the footie with us in Wheatfield St there were a set of goals painted on the old brewery wall next to Gerards yard the other set were usually jerseys half way up the street. Derek O'Connor lived a couple of stairs along from me he was a couple of years older than me but he used to play there as well. Great times. Cos i was such a short arse i got shoved in goals quite a lot but i think the bar was only four feet high but i ended up with the nickname Lev no doubt after the Russian goalkeeper of that time.

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Clerry Jambo

Is it finished yit?

Almost there...

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Hearts Daft

The old stand is kind of like the wife in a marriage who you have fond memories of but the love has fizzled out and she's not the oil painting she once was.  The new main stand will be the 23 year old hot, filthy secretary who's about to take her place lol 

 

Wow! Really like it.

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Hearts Daft

Does anyone have any photo's of what the area behind the main stand looked like before the Ace of Hearts club was built in the 1960s?

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luckydug

Might be wrong on this but I think there may have been a public wash house/steamie

on the site before the social clubs.

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Ray has bus pass hooray

Might be wrong on this but I think there may have been a public wash house/steamie

on the site before the social clubs.

That was down on the other side past the old flats near the new Prison Warders Club.

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john brownlee

Hi Jonno, i was a Wheatfield Placer from 1957-1979 some lads from Mcleod St used to come round and join in the footie with us in Wheatfield St there were a set of goals painted on the old brewery wall next to Gerards yard the other set were usually jerseys half way up the street. Derek O'Connor lived a couple of stairs along from me he was a couple of years older than me but he used to play there as well. Great times. Cos i was such a short arse i got shoved in goals quite a lot but i think the bar was only four feet high but i ended up with the nickname Lev no doubt after the Russian goalkeeper of that time.

around the same time, my granny lived in Wheatfield place and Windows over looked Gerrad's yard. My aunt and uncle lived in the Tynecastle buildings. And we used to go to them weekend about. I do recall playing football in the shale park at the main stand.

Surrounded by trees. It always seemed to be wet and muddy. Forever getting rows for being clarty.

So maybe I was in one of the thirteen a side games that were played then. Distant memories.

 

 

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Francis Albert

Cheers for the pics. I take it that one is of the upstairs part of the building? With the windows on the lhs of the pic being those that face out onto the car park?

 

Amazing to think that the custodians of the club could **** up a revenue source in the way they seemingly did. It's like us building this new stand and not being able to make a profit on the beer we sell there...mental!!

 

How badly was the club being run when we had to sell this off to the council?

The Ace of Clubs, which was the drinking den downstairs, was packed for two hours before and two hours after games about once a fortnight. You are never going to make much money on that sort of traffic. The key for the new stand will be how much of the facilities are used on non-match days.

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John Findlay

Thats how I recall it as well. When it was 2/- to get in the Terracing it was dearer to get in the enclosure and a whole 5/- for the wing stand and 7/6d for the centre stand so you had to be a toff to afford it. No boys gate for the stand either, so used to love going to the reserve games as the stand was cheap to get in then.

My earliest memories are getting introduced to the Hearts through going to reserve matches. Most of the first team used to turn up and watch the reserves and just sat with their pals and other supporters. After about a season I was allowed to go to the first team games and always thought how great it would be to sit in the stand for a big match instead of being crushed on the terracing with 30000 others more if a Derby or OF match.

Floodlight matches with the glow of light coming from the main stand with folk lighting up their pipes and fags. The Edinburgh City brass band that used to seem to play exclusively for people in the Stand and enclosure. The stamping of feet when the game was exciting. The wee drinking fountain with the metal cups at both ends of the stand.

As time passed and our crowds dwindled to a few thousand diehards I watched most matches from the main stand. I must admit we had gone so far down I thought we were going under . The old lady has seen the best of times and the worst of times from Championships to relegation to Championships again . She has hosted some of the top teams in world football and some great players and some great matches. If that old corrugated,asbestos ridden,heap of junk could talk she would have some story to tell. Tears will be shed when the time comes and I am not ashamed to admit it.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Excellent post.

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Mr Sifter

The Ace of Clubs, which was the drinking den downstairs, was packed for two hours before and two hours after games about once a fortnight. You are never going to make much money on that sort of traffic. The key for the new stand will be how much of the facilities are used on non-match days.

I hear ye FA, but the potential must've been there or they wouldn't have built them in the first place naw? Surely the figures must've stacked up before they considered such a venture?

 

As you say though, there needs to be a real push to ensure our new facilities are used on non match days. Itll be interesting to see how we market these facilities.

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John Findlay

Does anyone have any photo's of what the area behind the main stand looked like before the Ace of Hearts club was built in the 1960s?

No photos.

From memory. A patch of green grass that may have been a bowling Green and a broken railed fence.

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kila

No photos.

From memory. A patch of green grass that may have been a bowling Green and a broken railed fence.

 

Old maps show a bowling green there. This photo (from 1962) it is hard to tell if it is still there:

 

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jonnothejambo

Hi Jonno, i was a Wheatfield Placer from 1957-1979 some lads from Mcleod St used to come round and join in the footie with us in Wheatfield St there were a set of goals painted on the old brewery wall next to Gerards yard the other set were usually jerseys half way up the street. Derek O'Connor lived a couple of stairs along from me he was a couple of years older than me but he used to play there as well. Great times. Cos i was such a short arse i got shoved in goals quite a lot but i think the bar was only four feet high but i ended up with the nickname Lev no doubt after the Russian goalkeeper of that time.

:rofl:

 

Lev the young git

 

Happy days indeed.

 

We used to play on the shale in the rain snow and ice.

 

None of this poncing about back then.

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mullen13

It's going be exciting seeing it all develop, especially in the build up to our first home game with it. Throw in a tunnel and dugout and this could be not far off what the completed Tynecastle will be like:

 

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Gonna look and sound stunning, as long as the atmosphere vastly improves from recent games! Think the problem is not enough people grouped together singing.

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Debut 4

Thats how I recall it as well. When it was 2/- to get in the Terracing it was dearer to get in the enclosure and a whole 5/- for the wing stand and 7/6d for the centre stand so you had to be a toff to afford it. No boys gate for the stand either, so used to love going to the reserve games as the stand was cheap to get in then.

My earliest memories are getting introduced to the Hearts through going to reserve matches. Most of the first team used to turn up and watch the reserves and just sat with their pals and other supporters. After about a season I was allowed to go to the first team games and always thought how great it would be to sit in the stand for a big match instead of being crushed on the terracing with 30000 others more if a Derby or OF match.

Floodlight matches with the glow of light coming from the main stand with folk lighting up their pipes and fags. The Edinburgh City brass band that used to seem to play exclusively for people in the Stand and enclosure. The stamping of feet when the game was exciting. The wee drinking fountain with the metal cups at both ends of the stand.

As time passed and our crowds dwindled to a few thousand diehards I watched most matches from the main stand. I must admit we had gone so far down I thought we were going under . The old lady has seen the best of times and the worst of times from Championships to relegation to Championships again . She has hosted some of the top teams in world football and some great players and some great matches. If that old corrugated,asbestos ridden,heap of junk could talk she would have some story to tell. Tears will be shed when the time comes and I am not ashamed to admit it.

brilliant post mate....will miss the rousing stamp from the old lady when the JTs are lifting the crowd on the park or it's the Hearts song prior to a Derby or other big match...HHGH

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sairyinthat

If I remember correctly there were 3 clubs. The Ace of Hearts was where the shop is and above that was The Roseberry.

Then there was The Midlothian right behind the old stand.

 

As you say I think there was some shenanigans that led them having to be sold. I think it was just another aspect of the football club that was badly managed at the time.

 

There were some household acts who performed there including Billy Fury, Les Dawson, Roy Walker etc. It was a popular and busy place.

It sure was,with Andy Green the compere.

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Francis Albert

I hear ye FA, but the potential must've been there or they wouldn't have built them in the first place naw? Surely the figures must've stacked up before they considered such a venture?

 

As you say though, there needs to be a real push to ensure our new facilities are used on non match days. Itll be interesting to see how we market these facilities.

There was a bit of a fashion for clubs in the 60s, in face of declining crowds, to diversify into other revenue streams like bars and clubs. Not many of them prospered. Sounds like ours wasn't helped by some financial irregularities.

 

I am sure Ann has done her homework.

 

I am not so convinced those running Hearts back then knew what they were doing (not just when it came to the social club either!)

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Des' Dad

The Ace of Clubs, which was the drinking den downstairs, was packed for two hours before and two hours after games about once a fortnight. You are never going to make much money on that sort of traffic. The key for the new stand will be how much of the facilities are used on non-match days.

It was the Ace of Hearts and it was a club which was open 7 days a week and was very popular at weekends with cabaret, bingo etc. I saw Billy Connolly and Gerry Rafferty there and, for my sins, Sydney Devine. Friday night was busy with parties of single men and women whilst Saturday was mainly couples. Sunday was a mixed night with top cabaret and dancing to a live band. Upstairs was the Rosebery Suite and it was a bit upmarket serving good quality meals, at least when it first opened. The whole thing was run by a guy called Andy Green who, allegedly, was caught with his fingers in the till. The whole project collapsed after he left and closed quite quickly thereafter. This was in the sixties and early seventies when clubs were very popular and it is debatable if this kind of facility would survive nowadays.

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luckydug

That was down on the other side past the old flats near the new Prison Warders Club.

Thanks for that. I just seemed to remember

there being a 'steamie' in the area.

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Mikey1874

This is a great thread and one of best sort of things about JKB.

 

Grateful for all the stories and pictures.

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The Treasurer

Old maps show a bowling green there. This photo (from 1962) it is hard to tell if it is still there:

 

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This picture shows how much things have changed in Gorgie, and not just the ground.

I'm sure a few of the "young uns" would struggle to recognise this as Tynecastle 

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Jambojay84

Thanks for that. I just seemed to remember

there being a 'steamie' in the area.

i remember getting taken there on a school day out and greetin ma eyes oot because I couldn't go and see the stadium instead

 

 

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Thomaso

Neither. Reading the earlier posts, if correct, then it sounds to me as if the club are going down a Construction Management, i.e. separate trades contracts procurement route, which only works if the right person or organisation is appointed as Construction Manager, in my experience.

 

This is correct.  The appointment of a good Project Manager is essential, however unlike other contracts where everybody is in it to try to make a buck, in this instance the Companies carrying out the steelwork, concrete, glazing, etc, are pretty much all run by 'good Jambos' - this makes a huge difference as everybody will work together to bring this project through on time and on budget, and to the quality we all want.

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Mister Dee

My first memory of going to a game at Tynecastle (and in the main stand), was the noise!

It was mid/late 70's and although my Dad is a closet hibby, he finally agreed to take me to a game. It was my first Derby match.

I've no idea the score (I must ask him), but we were rotten at the time so it probably wasn't great.

 

I remember being stunned at firstly the language, I didn't know what it meant, but I knew it wasn't good! And secondly the stamping of feet, and the way the sound built up -it seemed deafening to a wee laddie.

 

Happy memories. The smell of the brewery, the pies, the throng of people - I'd never seen so many in one place before.

It was love at first sight, & I knew I wanted to be there every week.

 

It's a knackered old stand & should have been replaced 50 years ago, but she'll always bring back a smile.

 

Goodbye old girl.

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Thomaso

The club appointed James Clydesdale to design the new stand as he did the previous 3. I assumed the club would then appoint a MC to carry out the build. Like I said, I'd find it strange if they didn't, however, I can only base that on my previous experience.

 

I thought you said you had been told we were going the MC route by someone at the Club?

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jonnothejambo

This picture shows how much things have changed in Gorgie, and not just the ground.

I'm sure a few of the "young uns" would struggle to recognise this as Tynecastle

Great picture.

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Thomaso

I guarantee I've personally wired more plugs than you've built main stands.

 

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Nucky Thompson

This picture shows how much things have changed in Gorgie, and not just the ground.

I'm sure a few of the "young uns" would struggle to recognise this as Tynecastle 

I don't think Gorgie has changed at all. Still all the same tenements except a couple on McLeod street. The old school and distillery are much the same.

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Thomaso

D&B, in my experience, is where a client will ask 3 parties to come up with a design for, let's say a school, and a cost to build it. This is done speculatively by those asked to tender. They will then go and source an architect and various consultants to pull it all together and then provide the aforementioned design and cost. The client will then decide who to appoint based on design and best value. This is how the new Kilmarnock College was procured.

 

A traditional build is where the client directly employs the architect and consultants to deliver a design. They will then ask, usually between 3-5, main contractors to tender for the works and will appoint who is usually the cheapest. Edinburgh Council are finding out to their detriment that wasn't a good decision to employ the cheapest contractor on Boroughmuir High.

 

Almost every project my company is involved in we are sub-contracted to the main contractor.

 

A pretty accurate summation of these types of contract.

 

Your comment on Boroughmuir is exactly why the Club do not favour going down the MC route.  MC's have a record of tendering at a low price, then once in contract, everything is an extra.

 

It would be normal to have a MC managing all the subcontract packages, however you must remember this a special project.  The Club are gathering very able professionals and subcontractors around them, who have HMFC best interests at Heart, and that makes a huge difference to the normal dispute ridden and acrimonious construction industry.

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farin

Bloody he'll that brings back loads of childhood memories. My old boy was a member . He always had a couple of pints after a game. We would see players in there and that was a huge thing.

My biggest memory though was they had a display when Willie Bauld passed away. His Scotland caps and strips etc was in a, glass case. Anyway the manager woman opened the cabinets and brought out the strips so I could touch them!!!

I still remember that heavily embroidered Scotland badge with gold stitching. Had his old heavy v neck proper maroon Hearts top in my hand. Amazing to think . Wouldn't get that nowadays. A memory I'll take with me forever.

The old ground holds so many memories for so many.

Edit to say I'd have been 8 or 9.

Hopefully the museum has some of King willies things to exhibit, he was a real hero of my old mans generation. [emoji1303]

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farin

Great photos Farin.

 

That looks like The Midlothian club looking back from the dance floor/stage. The puggy machine was through the doors and back down the stairs where I used to head with my coke and a few 10ps to play the machine.

 

I think The Midlothian club might have closed later in the 70s as I seem to remember being there quite a lot growing up in the 70s.

Wasn't it the Midlothian club that changed its name into the Centenary Club in 74 ?.

 

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Here's an idea of the entertainment on the go back then. [emoji1]

 

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farin

It sure was,with Andy Green the compere.

Andy green was entertainments manager, Pete Davidson was bar manager & a guy called Roy Stewart ran the whole thing.

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August Landmesser

Wasn't it the Midlothian club that changed its name into the Centenary Club in 74 ?.

 

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Here's an idea of the entertainment on the go back then. [emoji1]

 

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I do enjoy a good 'coloured singer' of a Wednesday night... :uhoh2:

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Wonfiveone

This is correct.  The appointment of a good Project Manager is essential, however unlike other contracts where everybody is in it to try to make a buck, in this instance the Companies carrying out the steelwork, concrete, glazing, etc, are pretty much all run by 'good Jambos' - this makes a huge difference as everybody will work together to bring this project through on time and on budget, and to the quality we all want.

Sounds good to me. Does any know who the name of the project or construction manager's organisation?

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Fort Vallance

I do enjoy a good 'coloured singer' of a Wednesday night... :uhoh2:

Wally Stewart. Good Calypso type moniker.

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