Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The pub design is basically it without the glass facade, by the looks of it. Quite interesting that a essentially a sheet of glass makes the difference between a modern design and a brutal 'New Club-esque' monstrosity. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 That looks like Livingston designer outlet. Hope it's not like that picture. 90% of facades to major new builds in Edinburgh, and any other city in the UK for that matter, have glazed curtainwall systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It looks great. That won't stop the whining little girls and the trolls though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm pretty comfortable using the pictures from the club website and the planning application brochure (along with Thomaso's great updates on here) as my guide to what the New Stand will look like, rather than relying on a crumpled up bit of paper from a bloke in the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It looks brutal putting them side by side like that. Genuinely looks like the old ticket office eyesore of a building we just knocked down! That was my thought as well. Could've just extended the adult learning centre and built a Wheatfield stand around it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The pub design is basically it without the glass facade, by the looks of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would go along with this if it didn't have the much smaller crest and tynecastle park on it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I would go along with this if it didn't have the much smaller crest and tynecastle park on it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I wouldn't. 1950s inspired office block on a 1990s inspired stand? Nah. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Even by JKB standards I am taken aback by the 'leap to judgement' from some on here, who are totally oblivious to the facts. Please consider the following - As I have stated previously the Club had to act very quickly to suit the Council's imminent plans to build a new nursery on the existing plot. The Club therefore had to pull together a document to submit/gain Planning permission from the Council with no time to finalise construction details. As part of the Club's Planning application there was a basic 'artist impression' of the new glazed fa?ade. Once Planning approval was gained, intensive efforts were made by the Architect, structural engineers, and subcontractors, to finalise all construction details for the new stand, and carry out a full risk assessment for the project. The design of the glazed fa?ade had to take into consideration safety, programme, functionality and cost. Safety - an all glass fa?ade as shown on the initial 'artists impression' gave rise to various safety concerns, specifically the risk of a pane of glass breaking and falling on hundreds of spectators walking in and around the stadium. To mitigate this risk a framed curtain wall system was the best option as this type of system will hold the pane of glass in place in the event of a breakage. Programme - as all should be aware the Club are working to an extremely tight programme of works. As such it was just not practical to design and install a time consuming 'bespoke' fa?ade, therefore a more standard curtain wall glazed system was the only practical option to meet the completion date. Functionality - can I remind all that the prime reason we are building this new stand is to increase capacity, have enhanced corporate facilities, and improve the viewing of the game for spectators. With respect we are not attempting to construct a building for entry to the Nobel Prize for Architecture. Cost - there is a finite and tight budget here, and I am sure we all agree with Mrs Budge in that we will not run up huge debt. We do not have the money to install a revolutionary bespoke all glass fa?ade - however I believe that we will have an extremely impressive frontage that we can all be proud of WHEN COMPLETED - with the exception of some on here obviously. Please also note that the Council Planners want continuity of the 'streetscape' and the school over the road also has glazed curtain wall systems in some areas. I realise that you cannot please everybody and all want their say, however I hope the above clarifies some of the facts here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 That was my thought as well. Could've just extended the adult learning centre and built a Wheatfield stand around it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What a ridiculous comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 What a ridiculous comment. Wouldn't have looked much different... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I now regret having posted the image received in the pub - I have no idea whether it bears any resemblance to the final design so shouldn't have bothered putting on KB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Henry Furst Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 That was my thought as well. Could've just extended the adult learning centre and built a Wheatfield stand around it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You've had a hard time on here, some if it unjustifiably so imo, though comments like the above do lend weight to the argument of you trolling. On topic, I like the pic from the boy in the pub! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 You've had a hard time on here, some if it unjustifiably so imo, though comments like the above do lend weight to the argument of you trolling. On topic, I like the pic from the boy in the pub! I was just comparing the architectural designs. There's not too much different from the Ace of Hearts Club/Adult Learning Centre and the new stand's office block in terms of visual design. It wasn't a serious suggestion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Henry Furst Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I was just comparing the architectural designs. There's not too much different from the Ace of Hearts Club/Adult Learning Centre and the new stand's office block in terms of visual design. It wasn't a serious suggestion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 'Not too much different' At it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Even by JKB standards I am taken aback by the 'leap to judgement' from some on here, who are totally oblivious to the facts. Please consider the following - As I have stated previously the Club had to act very quickly to suit the Council's imminent plans to build a new nursery on the existing plot. The Club therefore had to pull together a document to submit/gain Planning permission from the Council with no time to finalise construction details. As part of the Club's Planning application there was a basic 'artist impression' of the new glazed fa?ade. Once Planning approval was gained, intensive efforts were made by the Architect, structural engineers, and subcontractors, to finalise all construction details for the new stand, and carry out a full risk assessment for the project. The design of the glazed fa?ade had to take into consideration safety, programme, functionality and cost. Safety - an all glass fa?ade as shown on the initial 'artists impression' gave rise to various safety concerns, specifically the risk of a pane of glass breaking and falling on hundreds of spectators walking in and around the stadium. To mitigate this risk a framed curtain wall system was the best option as this type of system will hold the pane of glass in place in the event of a breakage. Programme - as all should be aware the Club are working to an extremely tight programme of works. As such it was just not practical to design and install a time consuming 'bespoke' fa?ade, therefore a more standard curtain wall glazed system was the only practical option to meet the completion date. Functionality - can I remind all that the prime reason we are building this new stand is to increase capacity, have enhanced corporate facilities, and improve the viewing of the game for spectators. With respect we are not attempting to construct a building for entry to the Nobel Prize for Architecture. Cost - there is a finite and tight budget here, and I am sure we all agree with Mrs Budge in that we will not run up huge debt. We do not have the money to install a revolutionary bespoke all glass fa?ade - however I believe that we will have an extremely impressive frontage that we can all be proud of WHEN COMPLETED - with the exception of some on here obviously. Please also note that the Council Planners want continuity of the 'streetscape' and the school over the road also has glazed curtain wall systems in some areas. I realise that you cannot please everybody and all want their say, however I hope the above clarifies some of the facts here. Sorry Thomaso but the statement regarding safety is simply not true. Glass facades do not just fall off buildings and if in the one in a million chance it did happen it certainly wouldn't be the club who would be held responsible. What you are saying in a round about way is that the finished building will look more like the crumpled up pub drawing than the architects impressions issued for planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Sorry Thomaso but the statement regarding safety is simply not true. Glass facades do not just fall off buildings and if in the one in a million chance it did happen it certainly wouldn't be the club who would be held responsible. What you are saying in a round about way is that the finished building will look more like the crumpled up pub drawing than the architects impressions issued for planning. Spot on. Absolute nonsense argument. If that were case then glass wouldn't be allowed anywhere. FWIW, I'd rather have a piece of glass fall on me than steal. I suspect more financial issues than safety. Purely speculation though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited March 15, 2017 by Toggie88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Of course it's financial issues. A glass curved fa?ade should probably be the lowest priority of the whole project. It is simply not required. Nice to have yes but needed no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I now regret having posted the image received in the pub - I have no idea whether it bears any resemblance to the final design so shouldn't have bothered putting on KB.Nothing to regret here you are not responsible for some of the (mindless) criticism it received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Wouldn't have looked much different... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Dont worry its going to out shine the lego blocks doon fester road way.. FTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It's what's on the inside that counts! Or at least my mother used to tell me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It's what's on the inside that counts! Or at least my mother used to tell me... Reminded me of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 A glass curved fa?ade should probably be the lowest priority of the whole project. It is simply not required. Nice to have yes but needed no. Needed or not, it's what we're getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Even by JKB standards I am taken aback by the 'leap to judgement' from some on here, who are totally oblivious to the facts. Please consider the following - As I have stated previously the Club had to act very quickly to suit the Council's imminent plans to build a new nursery on the existing plot. The Club therefore had to pull together a document to submit/gain Planning permission from the Council with no time to finalise construction details. As part of the Club's Planning application there was a basic 'artist impression' of the new glazed fa?ade. Once Planning approval was gained, intensive efforts were made by the Architect, structural engineers, and subcontractors, to finalise all construction details for the new stand, and carry out a full risk assessment for the project. The design of the glazed fa?ade had to take into consideration safety, programme, functionality and cost. Safety - an all glass fa?ade as shown on the initial 'artists impression' gave rise to various safety concerns, specifically the risk of a pane of glass breaking and falling on hundreds of spectators walking in and around the stadium. To mitigate this risk a framed curtain wall system was the best option as this type of system will hold the pane of glass in place in the event of a breakage. Programme - as all should be aware the Club are working to an extremely tight programme of works. As such it was just not practical to design and install a time consuming 'bespoke' fa?ade, therefore a more standard curtain wall glazed system was the only practical option to meet the completion date. Functionality - can I remind all that the prime reason we are building this new stand is to increase capacity, have enhanced corporate facilities, and improve the viewing of the game for spectators. With respect we are not attempting to construct a building for entry to the Nobel Prize for Architecture. Cost - there is a finite and tight budget here, and I am sure we all agree with Mrs Budge in that we will not run up huge debt. We do not have the money to install a revolutionary bespoke all glass fa?ade - however I believe that we will have an extremely impressive frontage that we can all be proud of WHEN COMPLETED - with the exception of some on here obviously. Please also note that the Council Planners want continuity of the 'streetscape' and the school over the road also has glazed curtain wall systems in some areas. I realise that you cannot please everybody and all want their say, however I hope the above clarifies some of the facts here. I'll take this as confirmation that we are actually going ahead with the latest eyesore artists impression. Depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I now regret having posted the image received in the pub - I have no idea whether it bears any resemblance to the final design so shouldn't have bothered putting on KB. Why do you regret giving Hearts fans much needed information about the new stand? If you are a Hearts man then you should be proud that you've given us this insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why do you regret giving Hearts fans much needed information about the new stand? If you are a Hearts man then you should be proud that you've given us this insight. Given that Thomaso has confirmed that it is the final design, then I think we should all be thanking Stu. If it wasn't for him posting the pub design, then who knows when we would have found out about the decision to ditch the original glass facade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) I'll take this as confirmation that we are actually going ahead with the latest eyesore artists impression. Depressing. No way you are a Hearts fan, lego blocks doon fester road will take some beating though.. Edited March 15, 2017 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'll take this as confirmation that we are actually going ahead with the latest eyesore artists impression. Depressing. It will be something in between, not an eyesore and definitely not depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 No way you are a Hearts fan, lego blocks doon fester road will take some beating though.. Not a Hearts fan from the postie who dreams about aliens, **** me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Christ, how can the new main stand become depressing because of the bloody fa?ade. This place really is like a collection of moronic children at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullen13 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Christ, how can the new main stand become depressing because of the bloody fa?ade. This place really is like a collection of moronic Hibs fans at times FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullen13 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 How anybody can turn this into a negative is utterly astounding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 How anybody can turn this into a negative is utterly astounding! Turn what into a negative? It's already a negative - about 10 people already have said that the block they are proposing looks ugly. Apparently you can't be glad about having a new stand while being dissapointed that the actual build is taking a brutalist form compared to the much better artists impression. The context for debate here is routinely being shut down and it stops now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Turn what into a negative? It's already a negative - about 10 people already have said that the block they are proposing looks ugly. Apparently you can't be glad about having a new stand while being dissapointed that the actual build is taking a brutalist form compared to the much better artists impression. The context for debate here is routinely being shut down and it stops now. This. Anyone wanting to have any sort of discussion is immediately shot down and accused of not being a hearts fan. 'The club can do no wrong' attitude that many have on here is embarrassing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 What you going all drama queen over an artists impression from a boy in a pub, now thats beyond parody.. lol; Thomaso has confirmed that due to four variables the stand facade has been changed. Something tha hasn't been relayed by the club yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Thomaso has confirmed that due to four variables the stand facade has been changed. Something tha hasn't been relayed by the club yet. Thomaso has rubbished the idea that the 'pub' picture is the latest design, you seem to have ignored that? He has clearly said there will be a curved glass facade - you've ignored that as well. So on the subject of glass, yours seems to be strangely a lot less than half full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'll take this as confirmation that we are actually going ahead with the latest eyesore artists impression. Depressing. Are you a qualified Architect? A University Lecturer in Architecture? An interior Designer maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zibi Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 All I care about is how the stand looks from the inside and the improvement in atmosphere and finances it will bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Given that Thomaso has confirmed that it is the final design, then I think we should all be thanking Stu. If it wasn't for him posting the pub design, then who knows when we would have found out about the decision to ditch the original glass facade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If you care to check out posts I made months ago on this thread - you will see that I confirmed a framed curtain wall system would be installed. The specific logistical, technical and financial reasons for this option are fully set out in my email (10:47) today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 All I care about is how the stand looks from the inside and the improvement in atmosphere and finances it will bring. THIS is the main driver for building this stand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Thomaso has rubbished the idea that the 'pub' picture is the latest design, you seem to have ignored that? He has clearly said there will be a curved glass facade - you've ignored that as well. So on the subject of glass, yours seems to be strangely a lot less than half full. The fa?ade will be curved - the type of glazing system to be installed is clearly set out in my post (10:47) today, together with the reasons for going with this option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Are you a qualified Architect? A University Lecturer in Architecture? An interior Designer maybe? He was giving his opinion. Just because you think the new stand is going to be the greatest engineering achievement since the Forth Bridge, doesn't mean it is. He was giving his opinion. One many people on here share. You've no right to blast his opinion when all you're doing is give yours. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 You've no right to blast his opinion when all you're doing is give yours. Except that Thomaso has an informed opinion, whereas others are based on speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Sorry Thomaso but the statement regarding safety is simply not true. Glass facades do not just fall off buildings and if in the one in a million chance it did happen it certainly wouldn't be the club who would be held responsible. What you are saying in a round about way is that the finished building will look more like the crumpled up pub drawing than the architects impressions issued for planning. I have been in the glazed fa?ade industry for over 35 years. I can assure there have been many incidents of glass shattering and falling from buildings throughout the UK - and I can assure you that if a shattered glass panel fell from the building the Club, Project Manager and the Fa?ade subcontractor would end up in Court - FACT! As I have said I have outlined the specific reasons why a framed curtain wall system is being installed - the prime one being the risk assessment for the glazed area above fans entering/exiting the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Thomaso - will the glass facade be dark, like in the planning illustrations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Except that Thomaso has an informed opinion, whereas others are based on speculation. Biased. And from his last post, looks like he is responsible for installing whatever facade it is we will be left with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullen13 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I have been in the glazed fa?ade industry for over 35 years. I can assure there have been many incidents of glass shattering and falling from buildings throughout the UK - and I can assure you that if a shattered glass panel fell from the building the Club, Project Manager and the Fa?ade subcontractor would end up in Court - FACT! As I have said I have outlined the specific reasons why a framed curtain wall system is being installed - the prime one being the risk assessment for the glazed area above fans entering/exiting the stadium. Starting to feel really sorry for you mate, don't know why you bother sometimes! Knowledge has been key throughout this thread. Must feel like banging your head against a glass wall sometimes on here.... a curved one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If you care to check out posts I made months ago on this thread - you will see that I confirmed a framed curtain wall system would be installed. The specific logistical, technical and financial reasons for this option are fully set out in my email (10:47) today. You're not a club spokesperson. In fact, as far as I'm aware you've not given your full name or position. A comment by a random on a fans forum is not a statement from the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 He was giving his opinion. Just because you think the new stand is going to be the greatest engineering achievement since the Forth Bridge, doesn't mean it is. He was giving his opinion. One many people on here share. You've no right to blast his opinion when all you're doing is give yours. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk "Forth Bridge"? Grow up. I was asking for confirmation if his opinions of the architectural merit of the stand was based on a qualified knowledge, or he was just having a personal grump. He has of course every right to express his opinion - his pointed comments leave us in no doubt what they are! I on the contrary am NOT expressing my opinion - I am giving you the FACTS on how the present fa?ade design was reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Biased. And from his last post, looks like he is responsible for installing whatever facade it is we will be left with. How can anybody be "biased" when they are only passing over the FACTS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Biased. That may be - but I'll take that over someone who hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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