Brexit?

[Seymour M Hersh]

The candidate who won spent the majority of her time denouncing Brexit and calling on the views of the 48% to be brought into the debate seriously due to the narrow margin of Leave support. I'd argue it's a pro-Remain constituency booting out a loudly pro-Leave MP.

 

Goldsmith gambled the runway was a bigger issue and lost.

 

I think it's more them getting rid of a useless idiot. Under the Conservative banner he had a massive majority. On his own he's emptied. Given his pathetic Mayoral candidacy this result should surprise no-one.

[pcw1874]

[Nookie Bear]

The new plan!

 

 

 

Roll up roll up for your crayons [emoji23]

 

 

Lame.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

The bitterness over this is making the Scottish referendum look like a tea party. I'm amazed at the number of political commentators who think you could just roll back this vote with no consequences - as if people will just accept the result being ignored. Tim Farron'a position is unbelievable but then again, the Lib Dems are so irrelevant now that he's probably trying to tap into any potential pocket of support.

 

Honestly feel like the government need to trigger article 50 asap. It's the only way we're going to move on. Question Time last night was a good example of how tense everyone is about this.

[Boris]

The bitterness over this is making the Scottish referendum look like a tea party. I'm amazed at the number of political commentators who think you could just roll back this vote with no consequences - as if people will just accept the result being ignored. Tim Farron'a position is unbelievable but then again, the Lib Dems are so irrelevant now that he's probably trying to tap into any potential pocket of support.

 

Honestly feel like the government need to trigger article 50 asap. It's the only way we're going to move on. Question Time last night was a good example of how tense everyone is about this.

 

Isn't that what the court case is about?  i.e. can the Govt simply trigger it or does Parliament need to approve?

 

Regards the Lib Dems, you may see them pick up more support in the their traditional areas, not to mention potential defections from Labour.

[westbow]

On no, he's onto me. Moral lectures from a britnatz euro hater who labels socialists scum and thinks people deserve to be poor because it makes others rich.

You're right about one thing though. It won't end well for no voters, but don't worry our leaders would deal with you the way castro dealt with his traitors.

So it's the death squads for 2M people then. Nice knowing you all.

[Mikey1874]

Shambles

[Cade]

Surely the most poorly thought-out political shambles in living memory

 

Slogans and newspaper headlines may win you a referendum but they are of no use when trying to make policy or negotiate anything!

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Election shocker:

Pro-Remain constituency votes for a Pro-Remain candidate ahead of a Pro-Leave candidate, and that clown Farron thinks this gives him a mandate to oppose Brexit and fight even harder for a second referendum.

 

[IMac]

Election shocker:

Pro-Remain constituency votes for a Pro-Remain candidate ahead of a Pro-Leave candidate, and that clown Farron thinks this gives him a mandate to oppose Brexit and fight even harder for a second referendum.

48% voted to remain. On an issue such as brexit where the majority or ripping rights away from the minority somone needs to stand up and be the voice of the minority. No one is saying we arnt leaving the EU but what happens next and what is our relationship with them is the important issue at hand. Allowing the Tories to dictate terms of the negotiation and ratify any agreement is ludicrous. If anyone values our democracy proper parliamentary oversight and agreement is needed.

[jake]

48% voted to remain. On an issue such as brexit where the majority or ripping rights away from the minority somone needs to stand up and be the voice of the minority. No one is saying we arnt leaving the EU but what happens next and what is our relationship with them is the important issue at hand. Allowing the Tories to dictate terms of the negotiation and ratify any agreement is ludicrous. If anyone values our democracy proper parliamentary oversight and agreement is needed.

 

As a leave voter i agree with the last sentence.

It will take time.

 

But im very sure its the right decision.

For reasons ive stated many times.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

48% voted to remain. On an issue such as brexit where the majority or ripping rights away from the minority somone needs to stand up and be the voice of the minority. No one is saying we arnt leaving the EU but what happens next and what is our relationship with them is the important issue at hand. Allowing the Tories to dictate terms of the negotiation and ratify any agreement is ludicrous. If anyone values our democracy proper parliamentary oversight and agreement is needed.

 

The problem with trying to get parliamentary agreement is, well you won't get any, not with people like Farron, Clegg and quite a few others who, have made it quite clear that they want a second referendum and will settle for nothing less.

The new MP this evening has said that she wants to overturn the Brexit result, which is a bit rich as she's just been elected in a democratic vote, yet wants to ignore the result of another democratic vote, because she doesn't agree with it, it's obvious the hypocrisy is lost on her, but sadly she's not the only one. 

 

You mention something about the majority ripping rights away from the minority, well that's what happens after every election, referendum or the likes, for example.

I've never voted Tory in my life, yet I've had to endure many Tory governments, often with devastating effects on jobs, society etc, just look at the Thatcher years for example, but I've never demanded a second vote, because I didn't get the result I wanted, that's not how democracy works.

 

I've heard it said many times by the remoaners that people didn't know what they were voting for, well I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew that a vote to leave the EU meant that the UK would leave everything to do with the EU, which included free access to the single market.

If some people didn't realise that, well that's their issue, not mine.

[Space Mackerel]

The problem with trying to get parliamentary agreement is, well you won't get any, not with people like Farron, Clegg and quite a few others who, have made it quite clear that they want a second referendum and will settle for nothing less.

The new MP this evening has said that she wants to overturn the Brexit result, which is a bit rich as she's just been elected in a democratic vote, yet wants to ignore the result of another democratic vote, because she doesn't agree with it, it's obvious the hypocrisy is lost on her, but sadly she's not the only one. 

 

You mention something about the majority ripping rights away from the minority, well that's what happens after every election, referendum or the likes, for example.

I've never voted Tory in my life, yet I've had to endure many Tory governments, often with devastating effects on jobs, society etc, just look at the Thatcher years for example, but I've never demanded a second vote, because I didn't get the result I wanted, that's not how democracy works.

 

I've heard it said many times by the remoaners that people didn't know what they were voting for, well I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew that a vote to leave the EU meant that the UK would leave everything to do with the EU, which included free access to the single market.

If some people didn't realise that, well that's their issue, not mine.

Not the brightest idea to cut all links with your neighbours and trading partners though is it?

[Hasselhoff]

Not the brightest idea to cut all links with your neighbours and trading partners though is it?

We export 4 times as much to the rUK as we do to the EU and share a common currency with them. Why is it important to protect the EU but not the UK? They aren't our neighbours, England is.

[jack D and coke]

Not the brightest idea to cut all links with your neighbours and trading partners though is it?

Eh........independence[emoji1]

[Rocco_Jambo]

Surely the most poorly thought-out political shambles in living memory

 

Slogans and newspaper headlines may win you a referendum but they are of no use when trying to make policy or negotiate anything!

 

Free money though eh?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Not the brightest idea to cut all links with your neighbours and trading partners though is it?

 

You know only full well that that isn't what is going to happen.

 

I seriously hope that you don't think for one second that the UK will suddenly stop trading with the EU?  Is the EU suddenly going to stop buying UK goods?

Will we the UK suddenly stop buying German & French cars for example?  Will the EU suddenly stop trading with the UK?

Not going to happen and you know that as well as I do.

 

What will happen is that our relationship with the EU will change, the UK will still trade and have links with the EU, what those links will look like in 5 years time, is something none of us can know right now.

[Daydream Believer]

 

 

I've heard it said many times by the remoaners that people didn't know what they were voting for, well I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew that a vote to leave the EU meant that the UK would leave everything to do with the EU, which included free access to the single market.

If some people didn't realise that, well that's their issue, not mine.

 

And yet that might not be what you get. We could still agree a soft brexit, we could use taxpayers money to pay for access to the single market.

 

Other people believed Boris when he said we would still have access to the single market. Yet others voted to leave because they thought it would put ?350M a week into the NHS.

 

Any way you look at this, there will be some people who voted for something they won't get.

 

If everyone knew what they were getting when they voted then I don't see the problem with a second referendum, since everyone would just vote the same way again.

[Space Mackerel]

You know only full well that that isn't what is going to happen.

 

I seriously hope that you don't think for one second that the UK will suddenly stop trading with the EU?  Is the EU suddenly going to stop buying UK goods?

Will we the UK suddenly stop buying German & French cars for example?  Will the EU suddenly stop trading with the UK?

Not going to happen and you know that as well as I do.

 

What will happen is that our relationship with the EU will change, the UK will still trade and have links with the EU, what those links will look like in 5 years time, is something none of us can know right now.

So, you've just admitted you voted for something you had no clue about. Good one.

[Space Mackerel]

We export 4 times as much to the rUK as we do to the EU and share a common currency with them. Why is it important to protect the EU but not the UK? They aren't our neighbours, England is.

Because England or more to say, the Tories, have been treating Scotland, Wales and NI like colonies since I can remember.

Are you aware of the new UKIPs leaders comments this week and previous?

[frankblack]

And yet that might not be what you get. We could still agree a soft brexit, we could use taxpayers money to pay for access to the single market.

 

Other people believed Boris when he said we would still have access to the single market. Yet others voted to leave because they thought it would put ?350M a week into the NHS.

 

Any way you look at this, there will be some people who voted for something they won't get.

 

If everyone knew what they were getting when they voted then I don't see the problem with a second referendum, since everyone would just vote the same way again.

 

Some people seem totaly oblivious to the point of a referendum - the result is a binary yes/no decision and not something inbetween.

 

The people made their democratic choice and the MPs who voted against it should stand back and let the decision be carried through.  Tim Farron is a hypocrite and is completely unelectable.  When I see this guy speak I am tempted to put my foot through the TV.

 

This by-election result was pretty much a complete balls-up by Zak Goldsmith, who threw his seat away based on some ill-advised principle.  He lost the Mayor election in a bad-tempered contest and that was always going to affect his electability in a by-election.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

And yet that might not be what you get. We could still agree a soft brexit, we could use taxpayers money to pay for access to the single market.

 

Other people believed Boris when he said we would still have access to the single market. Yet others voted to leave because they thought it would put ?350M a week into the NHS.

 

Any way you look at this, there will be some people who voted for something they won't get.

 

If everyone knew what they were getting when they voted then I don't see the problem with a second referendum, since everyone would just vote the same way again.

 

We will still have access to the single market, what form that access will be is open to question, as I said the EU nor the UK are suddenly not going to stop buying each others goods.

 

In every election, referendum, vote or whatever, there is always going to be some folks who are disappointed even if they win, because they didn't get all that they wanted, tough that's life.

 

In two, three or even five years time the EU and the single market could look very different from the way it does today, Italy is holding a referendum this weekend which may have a knock-on effect for the country and the EU somewhere down the line, Austria could have a leader who wants to hold a referendum on his country's status within the EU, and next year we have general elections in France, Holland & Germany, with none of the present incumbents sure to be re-elected, so the EU could look very different in a few years time.

 

But I don't know what is going to happen and neither does any of the politicians, no matter what they might say.

[Boris]

Some people seem totaly oblivious to the point of a referendum - the result is a binary yes/no decision and not something inbetween.

 

Except, as has been pointed out, the way we eventually leave is not black and white and not one of those options were able to be voted for in the referendum.

[Space Mackerel]

We will still have access to the single market, what form that access will be is open to question, as I said the EU nor the UK are suddenly not going to stop buying each others goods.

 

In every election, referendum, vote or whatever, there is always going to be some folks who are disappointed even if they win, because they didn't get all that they wanted, tough that's life.

 

In two, three or even five years time the EU and the single market could look very different from the way it does today, Italy is holding a referendum this weekend which may have a knock-on effect for the country and the EU somewhere down the line, Austria could have a leader who wants to hold a referendum on his country's status within the EU, and next year we have general elections in France, Holland & Germany, with none of the present incumbents sure to be re-elected, so the EU could look very different in a few years time.

 

But I don't know what is going to happen and neither does any of the politicians, no matter what they might say.

It was stated before, during and now after, if you want access to the EU single market, you're going to have to pay and accept free movement of people. It's a completely pointless exercise all this Brexit pish. How hard is this to understand?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

So, you've just admitted you voted for something you had no clue about. Good one.

 

When you vote in a general election for example do you know for certain what your going to get?  Because I don't, nobody does.

[Space Mackerel]

When you vote in a general election for example do you know for certain what your going to get? Because I don't, nobody does.

Whit????

[Jambo-Jimbo]

So, you've just admitted you voted for something you had no clue about. Good one.

 

 

Whit????

 

Ok, let me put it a different way then.

 

Did people who voted yes in the indyref really know for certain what currency we were going to be using?

Or if there would be border checks or trade tariffs or a hundred and one other things which would have needed to be sorted out if the result was a yes vote.

However 1.6 million people still voted yes, whilst not knowing for sure what they were actually going to be getting if they had won.

[Space Mackerel]

Ok, let me put it a different way then.

 

Did people who voted yes in the indyref really know for certain what currency we were going to be using?

Or if there would be border checks or trade tariffs or a hundred and one other things which would have needed to be sorted out if the result was a yes vote.

However 1.6 million people still voted yes, whilst not knowing for sure what they were actually going to be getting if they had won.

You said General Election though.

 

To say Scotland can't function as an independent state is absolute nonsense.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

You said General Election though.

 

To say Scotland can't function as an independent state is absolute nonsense.

 

You're making things up mate, where did I say that?

[Trapper John McIntyre]

Wee Effie kens the score:

 

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/to-see-ourselves-as-others-see-us.html

[Jammy T]

Oops

Something about airport runways led to another result people were saying is about Brexit

I did think the Question Time debate last night was pretty reasonable but that was in Yorkshire.

The Richmond constituency voted 70% for remain in the referendum.

 

The Brexit blocker Lib Dem position this week got less than 50% of the vote.

 

This by election says nothing about Brexit IMO other than people aren't all that passionate about it as the media would have you believe.

[Adam Murray]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/jenny-hjul/320609/snps-doomed-european-voyage-wasting-everyones-time/

 

 

Never mind a waste of time, the frequent flyer miles are adding up.

[Space Mackerel]

Wee Effie kens the score:

 

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/to-see-ourselves-as-others-see-us.html

What a load of patronising Brit Nat shite.

 

Referring to Scotland as toddler who needs more sweets?

[Space Mackerel]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/jenny-hjul/320609/snps-doomed-european-voyage-wasting-everyones-time/

 

 

Never mind a waste of time, the frequent flyer miles are adding up.

Never mind who wrote it though. Jenny Hjul.

[Adam Murray]

Never mind who wrote it though. Jenny Hjul.

 

 

Probably better if you pick out the points in the article that you disagree with.

 

Has the First Minister actually met with anyone from the EU of any real importance?

 

Has there been anyone from the EU of any significance, who has actually came out and said that Scotland, in the event of independence, would be warmly accepted into the EU?

 

Has there been anyone of any significance from the EU who has given the slightest hint that Scotland would be allowed to stay in the EU, or have any kind of special dispensation when the UK leaves the EU?

[Adam Murray]

Never mind who wrote it though. Jenny Hjul.

 

 

Are the Adam Smith Institute any better for you? 

 

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/why-scotland-cant-afford-the-eu

[Space Mackerel]

Probably better if you pick out the points in the article that you disagree with.

 

Has the First Minister actually met with anyone from the EU of any real importance?

 

Has there been anyone from the EU of any significance, who has actually came out and said that Scotland, in the event of independence, would be warmly accepted into the EU?

 

Has there been anyone of any significance from the EU who has given the slightest hint that Scotland would be allowed to stay in the EU, or have any kind of special dispensation when the UK leaves the EU?

None....

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/eus-chief-brexit-negotiator-agrees-8796253

[Space Mackerel]

[Adam Murray]

 

 

Another pro European MEP who doesn't understand that the UK's referendum on the EU was not a regional vote.

[Space Mackerel]

Another pro European MEP who doesn't understand that the UK's referendum on the EU was not a regional vote.

He's the CHIEF negotiator for the Brexit talks. Maggie May and Dickhead Davies are going to be dug food after

[Adam Murray]

He's the CHIEF negotiator for the Brexit talks. Maggie May and Dickhead Davies are going to be dug food after

 

 

You would think then that he would be able to understand that the EU vote was not a regional vote then.

 

Only time will tell the outcome of Brexit.

[Space Mackerel]

You would think then that he would be able to understand that the EU vote was not a regional vote then.

 

Only time will tell the outcome of Brexit.

Here's my predictions:

 

Daft Boris and Maggie May will back down considerably and we will be back in the EU defecto, paying the same money, with free movement and no voice. The UK will be a full Federal state about then too.

Scottish independence as the rise of English nationalism accelerates because of this within 10 years.

[Adam Murray]

Here's my predictions:

 

Daft Boris and Maggie May will back down considerably and we will be back in the EU defecto, paying the same money, with free movement and no voice. The UK will be a full Federal state about then too.

Scottish independence as the rise of English nationalism accelerates because of this within 10 years.

 

 

And Wednesday's lottery numbers?

[Space Mackerel]

And Wednesday's lottery numbers?

Haven't done the lottery for years

 

Have a gander at this.

 

[Adam Murray]

Haven't done the lottery for years

 

Have a gander at this.

 

 

 

That's all very well, but will it help deal with this?

 

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/taxpayersalliance/pages/6797/attachments/original/1476194925/Scotland's_overspending_problem.pdf?1476194925

[Space Mackerel]

That's all very well, but will it help deal with this?

 

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/taxpayersalliance/pages/6797/attachments/original/1476194925/Scotland's_overspending_problem.pdf?1476194925

But but but the SNP don't control the whole of the Westminster budget/taxation/spending, how many times does this need to be explained to you?

[Adam Murray]

But but but the SNP don't control the whole of the Westminster budget/taxation/spending, how many times does this need to be explained to you?

 

 

You never even read it did you?

[Space Mackerel]

You never even read it did you?

It's The Tax Payers Alliance, another Tory focus group FFS!

[Space Mackerel]

Probably better if you pick out the points in the article that you disagree with.

 

Has the First Minister actually met with anyone from the EU of any real importance?

 

Has there been anyone from the EU of any significance, who has actually came out and said that Scotland, in the event of independence, would be warmly accepted into the EU?

 

Has there been anyone of any significance from the EU who has given the slightest hint that Scotland would be allowed to stay in the EU, or have any kind of special dispensation when the UK leaves the EU?

None...

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/sturgeon-visit-offers-glimpse-into-brexit-diplomacy-game-1.2891054#.WEMTIjUjRD4.facebook

[Adam Murray]

None...

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/sturgeon-visit-offers-glimpse-into-brexit-diplomacy-game-1.2891054#.WEMTIjUjRD4.facebook

 

 

Still none then.

 

Just some more people who would love to see the break up of the UK