Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 ......I've never encountered a Nationalist who doesn't have anti English tendencies to varying degrees. Most will deny it obviously. I'm denying it vehemently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 In relation to independence? If so what's triggered this as you've always been a very staunch supporter of independence. In relation to much of politics. I look at the world and it's a worrying place. Scotland is divided over independence, the UK over the EU, the EU over the EU, Donald Trump is a presidential candidate for the US, Russia is becoming more assertive and projecting abroad a bit, China is busy building on disputed islands in the Pacific, the Middle East is consistent but unfortunately that consistency is war. As a people we need to come together but I'm accepting that my world view will never be a reality, there is no real appetite for proper socialism in most places. The elites are corrupt regardless of the system, the rich will swindle and avoid and the majority will work and die. I believe the best we can have is as much power to the people as close to the ground as possible but with everyone connected and working together. That doesn't tie in well with Scottish independence but it does with a federal UK which is where I feel I'm swaying to. I think leaving the EU is possibly a mistake but I accept it was heading down a failed path and unlikely to reform. I look at the facts as they currently are and this country, both Scotland or UK, is in a bad state, economically, socially and morally. I feel exhausted and done with arguing about the best system and I feel like it's all a distraction that has allowed political parties, North and South, to shy away from governing and improving this country. This turned into a bit of a ramble but I just want the EU/Independence thing over and done with, one way or another, for a long time and the Governments both sides of our border to focus on bringing this country back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 In relation to much of politics. I look at the world and it's a worrying place. Scotland is divided over independence, the UK over the EU, the EU over the EU, Donald Trump is a presidential candidate for the US, Russia is becoming more assertive and projecting abroad a bit, China is busy building on disputed islands in the Pacific, the Middle East is consistent but unfortunately that consistency is war. As a people we need to come together but I'm accepting that my world view will never be a reality, there is no real appetite for proper socialism in most places. The elites are corrupt regardless of the system, the rich will swindle and avoid and the majority will work and die. I believe the best we can have is as much power to the people as close to the ground as possible but with everyone connected and working together. That doesn't tie in well with Scottish independence but it does with a federal UK which is where I feel I'm swaying to. I think leaving the EU is possibly a mistake but I accept it was heading down a failed path and unlikely to reform. I look at the facts as they currently are and this country, both Scotland or UK, is in a bad state, economically, socially and morally. I feel exhausted and done with arguing about the best system and I feel like it's all a distraction that has allowed political parties, North and South, to shy away from governing and improving this country. This turned into a bit of a ramble but I just want the EU/Independence thing over and done with, one way or another, for a long time and the Governments both sides of our border to focus on bringing this country back together. I'm with you as I want my family to grow up in a stable environment. Sadly it wont ever happen in Scotland. The second IndyRef is years away and Nippy wont call it until she knows via Polls she can win, which is a long way away. Until then the agitation will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 In relation to much of politics. I look at the world and it's a worrying place. Scotland is divided over independence, the UK over the EU, the EU over the EU, Donald Trump is a presidential candidate for the US, Russia is becoming more assertive and projecting abroad a bit, China is busy building on disputed islands in the Pacific, the Middle East is consistent but unfortunately that consistency is war. As a people we need to come together but I'm accepting that my world view will never be a reality, there is no real appetite for proper socialism in most places. The elites are corrupt regardless of the system, the rich will swindle and avoid and the majority will work and die. I believe the best we can have is as much power to the people as close to the ground as possible but with everyone connected and working together. That doesn't tie in well with Scottish independence but it does with a federal UK which is where I feel I'm swaying to. I think leaving the EU is possibly a mistake but I accept it was heading down a failed path and unlikely to reform. I look at the facts as they currently are and this country, both Scotland or UK, is in a bad state, economically, socially and morally. I feel exhausted and done with arguing about the best system and I feel like it's all a distraction that has allowed political parties, North and South, to shy away from governing and improving this country. This turned into a bit of a ramble but I just want the EU/Independence thing over and done with, one way or another, for a long time and the Governments both sides of our border to focus on bringing this country back together. Fair enough and I agree with most your thoughts. Particularly the last two paragraphs. I feel we should be focusing on improving things. Instead we're focused on the fall out of brexit and constitutional gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 SNP focusing on independence and failing Scotland on health, education, policing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Yet you apparently voted yes, thus almost contributing to the thing causing you such consternation. You often argue against yourself. You're 100% right. I think watching the Brexit debate reshaped the arguments used up to 2014. Because they're the same. Why should we minimise rather than integrate with our nearest and dearest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 A Federal UK would give everyone what they want, including the SNP. My view is that the SNP want independence but are at the same time terrified about the reality of it.....no Barnett formula from Brussels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Confirmation from Maggie May, no extra money for NHS post Brexit. How are the Brexiteers feeling now? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/14/no-extra-money-for-nhs-theresa-may-tells-health-chief?CMP=fb_gu Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 It would be between 1 and 2% in the EU parliament compared to about 10% in Westminster. In practice given Germany's economic power we'd be swapping English rule, with the real possibility of influencing England, for German rule, with no influence at all. Can any yes/remain posters please address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 In relation to much of politics. I look at the world and it's a worrying place. Scotland is divided over independence, the UK over the EU, the EU over the EU, Donald Trump is a presidential candidate for the US, Russia is becoming more assertive and projecting abroad a bit, China is busy building on disputed islands in the Pacific, the Middle East is consistent but unfortunately that consistency is war. As a people we need to come together but I'm accepting that my world view will never be a reality, there is no real appetite for proper socialism in most places. The elites are corrupt regardless of the system, the rich will swindle and avoid and the majority will work and die. I believe the best we can have is as much power to the people as close to the ground as possible but with everyone connected and working together. That doesn't tie in well with Scottish independence but it does with a federal UK which is where I feel I'm swaying to. I think leaving the EU is possibly a mistake but I accept it was heading down a failed path and unlikely to reform. I look at the facts as they currently are and this country, both Scotland or UK, is in a bad state, economically, socially and morally. I feel exhausted and done with arguing about the best system and I feel like it's all a distraction that has allowed political parties, North and South, to shy away from governing and improving this country. This turned into a bit of a ramble but I just want the EU/Independence thing over and done with, one way or another, for a long time and the Governments both sides of our border to focus on bringing this country back together. A very good post imo. A federal uk would be acceptable, but there doesn't seem to be the will to make this so. Both the Tories and labour refuse to address this. Tactically, it may help labour to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 It's hardly just Salmond though.......It's like how if you scratch the surface of even the most well heeled Rangers fan, you uncover an Orangeman bigot......I've never encountered a Nationalist who doesn't have anti English tendencies to varying degrees. Most will deny it obviously. Liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Confirmation from Maggie May, no extra money for NHS post Brexit. How are the Brexiteers feeling now? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/14/no-extra-money-for-nhs-theresa-may-tells-health-chief?CMP=fb_gu Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk This is exactly the reason why referendums are terrible. The Leave Camp were NOT the government and so could NOT promise the things they did. Much like with Scottish Independence a few years before, Yes Scotlamd had NO power to promise half the stuff it did. Referendums are a terrible and awkward get out for our elected representatives to wriggle out of decision making on major issues. We elect them to do these things. Not the other way around. Independence winning would've lead to the same debates, the same retracted promises and the same let downs. Imagine if independence wins a future referendum, one phrase I guarantee you the Finance Secretary wpuld say post-match is "yes, well, now we've got independence and we've seen the books fully/the economy has wobbled over the decision made, there just isn't the funds for "x"..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Perhaps. Although I think the goalposts have moved since September 2014. I don't think they have. The UK is as was in 2014. That is what we voted for then. We were then, as the UK offered a referendum on the EU. People heard very similar arguments on leaving to those run by Yes in 2014 and opted for leave. Scotland by virtue of its earlier decision was bound by that result. I think this whole we voted for an EU member UK stuff is a convenient get out clause for a movement still furious it was lead to defeat. Are you proposing that if we vote No again that should a Liberal government be elected in 2020 we again have another referendum because that wasn't where the UK was in 2018? It's getting silly now. Really is. Sturgeon's nonsense recently is of someone who is appears to be trying to hold her mass membership together whilst she scrabbles about for a plan. Afterall, in the Scottish elections we were told this was off the table foe sometime to come and that they were still looking to find new ways of creating an economic case for independence. Remember the plan was for a summer of independence? To revitalise, renew and go forward? All that was blown up in June and she's struggling to plan a new course without this nuclear option. From governing to this the SNP increasingly sound like a scratched record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Believer Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Can any yes/remain posters please address this. The question seems to assume that we have been "ruled" by England while the UK has been within the EU, but if we became an independent country we would not be ruled by our own government but by the EU. I'm not sure that makes sense. Appologies if I've misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The question seems to assume that we have been "ruled" by England while the UK has been within the EU, but if we became an independent country we would not be ruled by our own government but by the EU. I'm not sure that makes sense. Appologies if I've misunderstood. You have mate. I dont understand how anyone can reconcile independence from the uk but then wish to remain in the EU. We currently have as Francis Albert said 10% representation in Westminster. If we got independence and then joined the union of Europe we would have 2% representation. Giving us less power. For clarity i voted brexit and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Believer Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 You have mate. I dont understand how anyone can reconcile independence from the uk but then wish to remain in the EU. We currently have as Francis Albert said 10% representation in Westminster. If we got independence and then joined the union of Europe we would have 2% representation. Giving us less power. For clarity i voted brexit and yes. But what representation do we have in Europe as part of the UK though? It feels like we are comparing apples and pears. It's as well saying at present we have 10% representation at Westminster but after independence we would have 100% representation at Holyrood. (I spoiled my ballot in the indyref and voted remain) Edit - sorry, yes I see what you mean now. Independent and outside EU gives 100% control. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I don't think they have. The UK is as was in 2014. That is what we voted for then. We were then, as the UK offered a referendum on the EU. People heard very similar arguments on leaving to those run by Yes in 2014 and opted for leave. Scotland by virtue of its earlier decision was bound by that result. I think this whole we voted for an EU member UK stuff is a convenient get out clause for a movement still furious it was lead to defeat. Are you proposing that if we vote No again that should a Liberal government be elected in 2020 we again have another referendum because that wasn't where the UK was in 2018? It's getting silly now. Really is. Sturgeon's nonsense recently is of someone who is appears to be trying to hold her mass membership together whilst she scrabbles about for a plan. Afterall, in the Scottish elections we were told this was off the table foe sometime to come and that they were still looking to find new ways of creating an economic case for independence. Remember the plan was for a summer of independence? To revitalise, renew and go forward? All that was blown up in June and she's struggling to plan a new course without this nuclear option. From governing to this the SNP increasingly sound like a scratched record. You mean they lied through their teeth in other words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 You mean they lied through their teeth in other words? Too strong a statement. I think she didn't expect Brexit but now that her best case scenario for independence is playing out she is scrabbling around to get a win without thinking it through fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Too strong a statement. I think she didn't expect Brexit but now that her best case scenario for independence is playing out she is scrabbling around to get a win without thinking it through fully. Too strong a statement? Leave said there would be ?350 million extra per week for the NHS on the bus and now there's going to be nothing? Duped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I don't think they have. The UK is as was in 2014. That is what we voted for then. We were then, as the UK offered a referendum on the EU. People heard very similar arguments on leaving to those run by Yes in 2014 and opted for leave. Scotland by virtue of its earlier decision was bound by that result. I think this whole we voted for an EU member UK stuff is a convenient get out clause for a movement still furious it was lead to defeat. Are you proposing that if we vote No again that should a Liberal government be elected in 2020 we again have another referendum because that wasn't where the UK was in 2018? It's getting silly now. Really is. Sturgeon's nonsense recently is of someone who is appears to be trying to hold her mass membership together whilst she scrabbles about for a plan. Afterall, in the Scottish elections we were told this was off the table foe sometime to come and that they were still looking to find new ways of creating an economic case for independence. Remember the plan was for a summer of independence? To revitalise, renew and go forward? All that was blown up in June and she's struggling to plan a new course without this nuclear option. From governing to this the SNP increasingly sound like a scratched record. Do you have any evidence that the Indy movement is furious after being led to defeat? You are the one displaying despair and fury with your lost decade stuff and the loss of EU citizenship etc. The SNP seems to be the only ones doing anything to mitigate against it and if that means Indyref 2 then so be it. The situation is entirely the making of the Conservative Party which has taken us out of the EU against our wishes and on false pretences. Despite campaigning for Brexit the Foreign Secretary did not want it. How silly is that? There is no "nonsense" from Sturgeon. There is a clear statement that Scotland's interests, in this case including yours, will be fought for. This is not the "nuclear option", it is the only realistic option. You have the audacity to deride the SNP for not having a "summer of independence" yet the government has no plans for Brexit and the Labour Party has run a massively debilitating civil war. What do you think the SNP should do, ignore Brexit and the wishes of 62% of voters in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I find it funny that people get upset about being 'lied to' during referendum. Referendum go across party allegiances in general, therefore either sides doesn't represent the govt of the day. Reality they can implement **** all. I don't ,really, think there are many people going 'nhs didn't get a extra ?350m, shit I was lied to and voted the wrong way' I think that's hyperbole in main. The white paper on Indy is a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Too strong a statement? Leave said there would be ?350 million extra per week for the NHS on the bus and now there's going to be nothing? Duped! Sorry, i thought you were talking about Sturgeon. Leave lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Sorry, i thought you were talking about Sturgeon. Leave lied. Why are you dragging Sturgeon into this? She didn't call the EU referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Why are you dragging Sturgeon into this? She didn't call the EU referendum. Because the initial post you quoted was about Sturgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Too strong a statement? Leave said there would be ?350 million extra per week for the NHS on the bus and now there's going to be nothing? Duped! What's the difference between that and selling Scottish independence in part on oil prices which have tanked? I mean in real terms. Quite clearly the ?350m pledge was a blatant lie by Brexit campaigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 What's the difference between that and selling Scottish independence in part on oil prices which have tanked? I mean in real terms. Quite clearly the ?350m pledge was a blatant lie by Brexit campaigners. Real terms? Are you getting all caught up in economic terms you have no idea what they actually mean. What are these real terms? You've been sold a pup? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 As opposed to what, the English pound?I thought fat eck said it was scotland's pound and he was keeping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Real terms? Are you getting all caught up in economic terms you have no idea what they actually mean. What are these real terms? You've been sold a pup? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You know what I'm asking. I can write it in crayon if it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The economic indicators for Indy are worse now than they were in 2014. Scotland trades as much as four times more with England than with Europe. The Spanish PM has chased us on EU membership. The French, Germans, Belgians, Italians will folllow suit. We are a basket case in terms of deficit and will just be a begging bowl with Greek style austerity measures if by some miracle an Indy Scotland becomes an EU member. Think about that when you want to see a doctor when your kids are sick or need care for the elderly. The SNP cannot tell us what currency we will use. They don't know and frankly, don't really give a shit because like most of the 45% they believe in fantasy economics anyway. Swinney was hidden away during the Indy ref as he gave the game away in an earlier paper he wrote. They refuse to allow fracking though in their hearts they know it is one industry Indy Scotland desperately needs to replace the oil losses. But they have to keep that little weasel Patrick Harvie happy in order to get his votes for an Indy referendum. The SNP are utter charlatans as are the so-called principled Greens. All the SNP want is Independence. It's their reason for existence. They will say and do anything to achieve their goal no matter what. All this about a good Brexit deal is horseshit. Economic ruination with a Saltire wrapped around it: The SNP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The economic indicators for Indy are worse now than they were in 2014. Scotland trades as much as four times more with England than with Europe. The Spanish PM has chased us on EU membership. The French, Germans, Belgians, Italians will folllow suit. We are a basket case in terms of deficit and will just be a begging bowl with Greek style austerity measures if by some miracle an Indy Scotland becomes an EU member. Think about that when you want to see a doctor when your kids are sick or need care for the elderly. The SNP cannot tell us what currency we will use. They don't know and frankly, don't really give a shit because like most of the 45% they believe in fantasy economics anyway. Swinney was hidden away during the Indy ref as he gave the game away in an earlier paper he wrote. They refuse to allow fracking though in their hearts they know it is one industry Indy Scotland desperately needs to replace the oil losses. But they have to keep that little weasel Patrick Harvie happy in order to get his votes for an Indy referendum. The SNP are utter charlatans as are the so-called principled Greens. All the SNP want is Independence. It's their reason for existence. They will say and do anything to achieve their goal no matter what. All this about a good Brexit deal is horseshit. Economic ruination with a Saltire wrapped around it: The SNP What's this got to do with the extra ?350m per week we were promised? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 What's this got to do with the extra ?350m per week we were promised? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk What's that got to do with the $113 a barrel of oil we were promised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 What's that got to do with the $113 a barrel of oil we were promised? The thread is about Brexit, where's the extra ?350m a week going now? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The thread is about Brexit, where's the extra ?350m a week going now? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You tell me, sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 You tell me, sport. Makes your whole argument a mockery Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Makes your whole argument a mockery Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Really? I would have thought a critical mass of 65 million over 5 million rather makes a mockery of your very existence to spout separatist manure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The thread is about Brexit, where's the extra ?350m a week going now? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Politicians in false promises shock. Its up to the electorate to hold them accountable. Tell me though makeral. How can you reconcile independence from westminster and Scotland then joining a union in which it has less power. Thats not independence. Also how can the snp bleat on about brexit affecting the economy by leaving a union which accounts for a qtr of its exports yet on the other hand say leaving a union which accounts for nearly half is scaremongering. The hypocrisy is astounding. And does real damage to the independence cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Really? I would have thought a critical mass of 65 million over 5 million rather makes a mockery of your very existence to spout separatist manure? ?350m per week? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 ?350m per week? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Hom much would an Indy Scotland be paying in to the EU? How much would we get back? (and any we did get back would have to go into funding vital services like health and education. Not really what it is for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hom much would an Indy Scotland be paying in to the EU? How much would we get back? (and any we did get back would have to go into funding vital services like health and education. Not really what it is for). Let's talk about now, instead of what might be this and that. Where is the extra ?350m per week? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Let's talk about now, instead of what might be this and that. Where is the extra ?350m per week? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Still going to the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Let's talk about now, instead of what might be this and that. Where is the extra ?350m per week? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Well saying as we are talking about now. We are still part of the EU so the extra money isnt available. I see you're ignoring my point about Scotland having less power post indy from westminster and still being part of EU. Asides from that the 350 million pounds that we would save from exiting the EU would be part of future spending plans. Political parties would set out these in their manifesto. Which you and i would be able to vote for. But remember you want to deal with whats happening now so the 350 million isnt available at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Still going to the EU? Well saying as we are talking about now. We are still part of the EU so the extra money isnt available. I see you're ignoring my point about Scotland having less power post indy from westminster and still being part of EU. Asides from that the 350 million pounds that we would save from exiting the EU would be part of future spending plans. Political parties would set out these in their manifesto. Which you and i would be able to vote for. But remember you want to deal with whats happening now so the 350 million isnt available at the moment. So, this ?350m per week we have saved, as you voted for it and said it was for the best, where is it and what's it going to be spent on? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 So, this ?350m per week we have saved, as you voted for it and said it was for the best, where is it and what's it going to be spent on? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk We'll have to find out after Brexit, won't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 We'll have to find out after Brexit, won't we? Got the Brexit White Paper handy for us not in the loop? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Got the Brexit White Paper handy for us not in the loop? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk No. Have you got the next SNP whitepaper answering the currency question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 So, this ?350m per week we have saved, as you voted for it and said it was for the best, where is it and what's it going to be spent on? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Its still being paid to the EU. Thats for political parties to outline in manifestos and for us to vote on. Still avoiding my question by asking stupid ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 No. Have you got the next SNP whitepaper answering the currency question? Bet we are not in power and have not won the referendum. I'll ask you again, where is the extra ?350m per week savings going to be spent? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Its still being paid to the EU. Thats for political parties to outline in manifestos and for us to vote on. Still avoiding my question by asking stupid ones. Shame you don't get a vote as Maggie May won't call a General Election. And she won't tell anyone what's going on to boot too. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Bet we are not in power and have not won the referendum. I'll ask you again, where is the extra ?350m per week savings going to be spent? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Thats been answered . No point discussing this with you anymore as you're ignoring a fundamental flaw in the independence from london via joining the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Thats been answered . No point discussing this with you anymore as you're ignoring a fundamental flaw in the independence from london via joining the EU. Yeah, let's leave the trading bloc of 550 million people to one of 70 million. Smart move. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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