Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[Captain Sausage]

Did Salmond really describe RBS's statement this morning as "scaremongering"?

 

 

He's like a robot with six buttons. Button five - SCAREMONGERING

 

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

 

Short to medium term the brain drain will get worse IMO. Why would you hang around and hope for the best during the 'transition period' when you can decant to London and ply your trade there?

 

In this campaign we've seen involvement from Alistair Darling, Gordon Brown, Douglas Alexander, George Robertson, George Galloway, Andrew Neil etc. And those are just the ones I can think of in ten seconds. The brain drain has been underway for generations. Each one of them HAD to move because the height of their profession, just like so many others, was in London.

[rossthejambo]

Turns out David Cameron urged the supermarket bosses to go public about potential price rises.

[Forrest]

 

 

Who gives a **** about John Lewis. Does anybody actually shop there?

 

I do. (Or more accurately my wife does.) But we're middle class.

 

I'm voting "Yes"!

[Maroon Sailor]

 

Did Salmond really describe RBS's statement this morning as "scaremongering"?

 

 

He's like a robot with six buttons. Button five - SCAREMONGERING

 

It does seem to be his token answer to any question or issues he can't deal with

[leginten]

 

Turns out David Cameron urged the supermarket bosses to go public about potential price rises.

 

I wonder what they were promised in return.

[westbow]

Did Salmond really describe RBS's statement this morning as "scaremongering"?

 

 

He's like a robot with six buttons. Button five - SCAREMONGERING

I kind of picture it like MATT DAMON in Team America.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Turns out David Cameron urged the supermarket bosses to go public about potential price rises.

 

Where did you see that?

[Maroon Sailor]

 

 

I kind of picture it like MATT DAMON in Team America.

 

I picture it like Billy Brown and ' strugglin '

[Forrest]

Did Salmond really describe RBS's statement this morning as "scaremongering"?

 

 

He's like a robot with six buttons. Button five - SCAREMONGERING

 

Hope - it was the media's use of the statement that was. Pretty sure he welcomed the statement.

[leginten]

 

 

 

Where did you see that?

 

Just confirmed - admittedly as an afterthought - on BBC news.

[BoJack Horseman]

Anyone know what Scottish Web domains will end in?

[jambo1185]

 

 

Yes

 

I loved her and believed would make good life together. We got married and have a family, after a few years we have ups and downs. Now had a bit of a rough patch, she done a few things that annoy me. No doubt vice versa.

 

We have had tough time, what couple hasn't, but we decide to stay together and make it work. I'm not sure the single life will be better despite my mate telling me it's essentially just non stop partying, shagging and I'll have lots more money. I know there would be consequences choosing the single life.

 

Essentially, I think we're better together :-)

 

Bravo

[TheMaganator]

"Salmond's NHS claims have been shredded by the IFS"

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/salmonds-nhs-claims-have-been-shredded-ifs

[DETTY29]

In political speak

 

scaremongering > untruthful > misleading > liar

[Footballfirst]

Where did you see that?

 

[TheMaganator]

Anyone know what Scottish Web domains will end in?

Did .sco not go live recently?

[BoJack Horseman]

Did .sco not go live recently?

No idea. Just checked Wikipedia and there was no mention of it.

 

 

[Don Roberto]

Where did you see that?

BBC's Robert Peston reporting that Cameron had them in this afternoon urging them to talk up price hikes after Indy. Also reporting that bankers have told him that no.10 were coordinating the banker's statements. It's on his blog and twitter account

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

 

BBC's Robert Peston reporting that Cameron had them in this afternoon urging them to talk up price hikes after Indy. Also reporting that bankers have told him that no.10 were coordinating the banker's statements. It's on his blog and twitter account

 

Jeezo, that might backfire.

[hughesie27]

Interesting development regardi g todays announcements. It's definitely 100% not scare tactics though...

[Regal Kingston]

Have a look at the Daily Mail website!

Absolutely unbelievable.

 

About 7 pro union stories

And apparently North Korea are pro independence!

 

I don't expect anything else really but it leaves a bad taste

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

So do we think Cameron has promised these companies something or is it more personal favours from mates?

[TheMaganator]

Have a look at the Daily Mail website!

Absolutely unbelievable.

 

About 7 pro union stories

And apparently North Korea are pro independence!

 

I don't expect anything else really but it leaves a bad taste

It writes for it's readership.

 

Check out the Sun & the Herald if you want a pro-Yes view

[JamboX2]

 

 

Scottish socialism is a race to the bottom.

Scotland must also be one of the very few countries where people will deny being middle class when they are.

Most other countries people dream UP the way.

In Scotland we pretend downwards

MIddle class has a cringe factor to it here

No?

Posh is a term of abuse- as is middle class/affluent whatever

 

To be honest, free prescriptions, free tuition and freezing the council tax have all benefited the middle and upper classes more than the poorest, who in many cases were exempt from these charges anyway.

 

If anything Scottish socialism under the SNP has been to the benefit of the middle and upper classes whilst the poorest see the services rely on cut back and back.

[jambo1185]

He didn't ask them to say prices would go up as a random scare tactic, he asked them to go public with what they had briefed privately. Asda haven't made up that prices might go up because Cameron asked them to say that, they've gone public with their already held stance because he asked them to.

 

There is a difference, although it's a bit low either way. But then Yes have been asking business which support independence to publicly come forward with support also.

 

Let the whataboutery continue!

Edited September 11, 2014 by jambo1185

[Swarlos]

Ross McEwan spoke to RBS employees today to inform them that they must move their HQ due to uncertainty and because it's "what the shareholders want".

All but saying that it's what the government wants.

[jambo1185]

Ross McEwan spoke to RBS employees today to inform them that they must move their HQ due to uncertainty and because it's "what the shareholders want".

All but saying that it's what the government wants.

 

They need to move HQ on independence to comply with the law too.

Edited September 11, 2014 by jambo1185

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

97% of the electorate registered to vote while the Government and big business hold covert meetings in an attempt to influence the result. This isn't even just about nations anymore. What's happened in Scotland had been wonderful, whatever the result.

[TheMaganator]

So do we think Cameron has promised these companies something or is it more personal favours from mates?

I think it was a case of "if you're concerned would you bloody well say so".

[TheMaganator]

97% of the electorate registered to vote while the Government and big business hold covert meetings in an attempt to influence the result. This isn't even just about nations anymore. What's happened in Scotland had been wonderful, whatever the result.

Salmond had private meetings with Murdoch to try and influence the vote and - low and behold - the Sun came out for yes.

 

Let's not pretend WM are big bogey men here. The Yes camp were at it too

[ToadKiller Dog]

 

 

Not enough No kids for big debate , link not working

but hearing kids have been asked to pretend that they support the no side as not enough no supporters .

Most are telling the TV folk to get lost .

Edited September 11, 2014 by ToadKiller Dog

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

 

I think it was a case of "if you're concerned would you bloody well say so".

 

..."in order to influence the vote".

 

Operation Make Mothers Panic is in full swing. Expect announcements soon from Ribena, CBeebies and the makers of school uniforms.

[rossthejambo]

 

 

They need to move HQ on independence to comply with the law too.

 

True, but I think they've all also said there won't be job losses as well, unless I misheard.

 

John Boyle on Reporting Scotland isn't doing the No campaign any favours with his rants, or just by generally being there.

 

[TheMaganator]

 

 

..."in order to influence the vote".

 

Operation Make Mothers Panic is in full swing. Expect announcements soon from Ribena, CBeebies and the makers of school uniforms.

To give people the chance to make an informed choice.

 

If we just listened to what either campaign said it'd be a pretty shifty debate

[jambo1185]

What's the difference between businesses coming out with concerns about indeopendence and businesses coming out in favour of it?

 

Both are usually only going public with what government knows in private and are usually nudged to do so by Holyrood/Westminster.

 

So far as I can tell from certain posters on here only the second should be listened to. Why is that?

Edited September 11, 2014 by jambo1185

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

What's the difference between businesses coming out with concerns about indeopendence and businesses coming out in favour of it?

 

Both are usually only going public with what government knows in private and are usually nudged to do so by Holyrood/Westminster.

 

So far as I can tell from certain posters on here only the second should be listened to. Why is that?

 

If a business makes a statement in support of either side which reflects the principles of the organisation or the beliefs of its owner, you can't argue with that. It's different, on both sides but this has indisputably been more of an issue on the no side, when a business is doing nothing more than just describing market uncertainty. There are a zillion things that could cause prices to rise, operations to move, jobs to be lost. Tons of the electorate don't fully understand these nuances and politicians know that.

[Beats]

Turns out David Cameron urged the supermarket bosses to go public about potential price rises.

 

What's wrong with that? Surely people are entitled to know this before they vote.

[rossthejambo]

 

 

What's wrong with that? Surely people are entitled to know this before they vote.

 

Depends how much urging was done I would imagine.

 

Like I said earlier though, it's not really news, prices are different all over the shop, pun intended, voting no wouldn't change that.

 

[Footballfirst]

Sam Nicholson and Mikey Stewart not quite on the same wavelength

 

Sam Nicholson ?@sa1nicholson 1h

Embarrassing from all these people that are voting YES just cause they have seen Braveheart before! Vote YES if you have a reason too....

 

Michael Stewart ?@mstewart_23 35m

Pretty embarrassing is the fact it's NO who talk about Braveheart @sa1nicholson YES is about self-determination & DEMOCRACY #indyref

[graygo]

Did Salmond really describe RBS's statement this morning as "scaremongering"?

 

 

He's like a robot with six buttons. Button five - SCAREMONGERING

 

Link to anywhere with him quoting the RBS statement as scaremongering please.

[Beats]

Can't see how RBS won't shed jobs in the wake of Independence. Have they actually came out and guaranteed no job loss?

[rossthejambo]

Can't see how RBS won't shed jobs in the wake of Independence. Have they actually came out and guaranteed no job loss?

 

I'm pretty sure the BBC news said the hq would move but there would be no job losses, might have misheard though.

 

[Beats]

I'm pretty sure the BBC news said the hq would move but there would be no job losses, might have misheard though.

 

I find that very hard to believe to be honest. Not that it's been said just that they won't shed jobs.

[BoJack Horseman]

Can't see how RBS won't shed jobs in the wake of Independence. Have they actually came out and guaranteed no job loss?

Can they guarantee no job loss in the result of a No vote?

[graygo]

Can't see how RBS won't shed jobs in the wake of Independence. Have they actually came out and guaranteed no job loss?

 

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/rbs-ceo-tells-staff-zero-rbs-job-losses-when-scotland-votes-yes/

[Beats]

Can they guarantee no job loss in the result of a No vote?

 

Are they moving there HQ in the result of a NO vote?

[Beats]

http://www.businessf...land-votes-yes/

 

Fair enough. Still have my doubts though.

[ToadKiller Dog]

 

 

I find that very hard to believe to be honest. Not that it's been said just that they won't shed jobs.

 

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/rbs-ceo-tells-staff-zero-rbs-job-losses-when-scotland-votes-yes/

 

Statement from RBS to staff .

Of course they could use a yes vote as an cover for cuts

[leginten]

I think it is unfortunate that the BT campaign and the media have deliberately failed to distinguish between headquarters and registered head office.