TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So it could actually be cheaper then? If you think complex will equal cheaper then sure. But I know you don't think that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 4,285,323 registered voters next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Police on Buchanan St keeping one sides angry mob away from another's press event. Sad state of affairs Did you think it was an angry mob? Really? From where I was it wasn't even that bad. Two groups of people shouting Yes and No at each other. Then a bit of abuse to Miliband when he showed up and there wasn't even any need for the cops. They weren't even there for most of the 'stand off', it was nothing. From where I was both sides took it well and there also laughs and smiles. Especially when a No or a Yes sign popped up in the middle of the opposite group! Edited September 11, 2014 by donaldmclachlan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If you think complex will equal cheaper then sure. But I know you don't think that So if it ALL gets complex then prices will go up all over the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm calling bollocks on this. They have a fully integrated distribution network which includes scottish hubs. Scottish Hubs? Is that opposed to On-Loan-From-The-English-Championship-Hubs?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Here's the terrifying angry mob on Buchanan Street http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/u/stand-off-at-buchanan-street-steps-yes-campaigners-confront-100-westminster-mps.1410436741 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Here's the terrifying angry mob on Buchanan Street http://www.eveningti...-mps.1410436741 So just the 1 police then. It's like watching footage from Syria. Edited September 11, 2014 by BoJack Horseman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 @nigelsanthony: ASDA CEO: If separate "our business model would inevitably become more complex. We would have to reflect our cost to operate here." #indyref Incredibly naive thing for the CEO of a business like that to come out with. As i say they have a fully integrated distribution network in place, including a fully automated warehouse near falkirk, and barring increases in taxes (VAT, Duty etc) there is no logical reason for prices to rise other than opportunism. That in itself would be commercial suicide as ASDA's competitors would be all over that like a rash. So no, your shopping won't be getting more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So just the 1 police then. It's like watching footage from Syria. I've seen Buchanan Street noisier and more rowdy when there's a busker there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Start of with something like, "In 1776 the brave people of these States decided that they had had enough of Westminster...." or "...will Scotland decide to cross her allegorical Potomac on Thursday" Dress up like a minuteman and you'll have them eating out of your hand. Excellent advice. As for attire, I was considering going back to basics: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So if it ALL gets complex then prices will go up all over the UK? Maybe. Buts it's not rUK that are voting to create the 2 markets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Did you think it was an angry mob? Really? From where I was it wasn't even that bad. Two groups of people shouting Yes and No at each other. Then a bit of abuse to Miliband when he showed up and there wasn't even any need for the cops. They weren't even there for most of the 'stand off', it was nothing. From where I was both sides took it well and there also laughs and smiles. Especially when a No or a Yes sign popped up in the middle of the opposite group! [modedit] - it's a sad state of affairs that we required police in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 [modedit] - it's a sad state of affairs that we required police in the first place. Wasn't it said that Miliband was there? Maybe why the fuzz were there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 ......that is only your opinion that the currency issue has been a winner for the yes vote. The Yes side has been winning the currency debate. You don't win an election or a referendum campaign by making a technically superior argument. You win by persuading people to vote the way you want them to vote. Twice in the last six months, this issue has been at the very forefront of the referendum debate. On both occasions, the Yes vote has increased noticeably. That means the Yes side has been winning the debate on currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Incredibly naive thing for the CEO of a business like that to come out with. As i say they have a fully integrated distribution network in place, including a fully automated warehouse near falkirk, and barring increases in taxes (VAT, Duty etc) there is no logical reason for prices to rise other than opportunism. That in itself would be commercial suicide as ASDA's competitors would be all over that like a rash. So no, your shopping won't be getting more expensive. No offence TMT - but if the CEO of ASDA says it'll become more complex, I'll take his word over yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboman1512 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Here's the terrifying angry mob on Buchanan Street http://www.eveningti...-mps.1410436741 "But once outside they were greeted by pro-independence hecklers. One rode alongside them through the streets in a rickshaw with a sound system playing The Imperial March, made famous by Star Wars. He kept up with the group as they walked through the city centre booming into a megaphone "Welcome to our imperial masters! Our imperial masters have arrived!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 4,285,323 registered voters next week. How much of a change is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 No offence TMT - but if the CEO of ASDA says it'll become more complex, I'll take his word over yours Well he can't claim it will stay the same, because he can't, can he? Or he'd have a lot more insight into a post-independece Scotland than most do. He's pretty much just saying nothing, so I'm not really sure what you're taking from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 No offence TMT - but if the CEO of ASDA says it'll become more complex, I'll take his word over yours I'm sure if he sniffs a chance to make more dough then he'll come out with utter shite like that. My point stands. Logistically it'll cost no more to service ASDA stores in Scotland than it currently does, unless the new Scottish govt rams up VAT or duty. He's at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The Yes side has been winning the currency debate. You don't win an election or a referendum campaign by making a technically superior argument. You win by persuading people to vote the way you want them to vote. Twice in the last six months, this issue has been at the very forefront of the referendum debate. On both occasions, the Yes vote has increased noticeably. That means the Yes side has been winning the debate on currency. They have not won the debate on currency- what they have done is turn a debate on currency into a "they are telling us Scots what we can and cannot do- I told you- BAD WESTMINSTER - they're picking on us again" kind of scenario. SAdly many have swallowed that and see us as being victimised again. Scotland loves being the plucky under dog -this is merely another portrayal of that. Sadly we also tend to be plucky losers against the big guns IMHO if the YES win the Scots people will lose, and many wont care as long as we lose gallantly. Me? I hate losing. I'd rather win dirty than be a heroic failure BUt that is not a Scottish psyche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think we've reached and exceeded peak scaremongering. Like that bit in I Know What You Did Last Summer where the bad guy sprouts big angel wings and flies away and 20 mins of genuine terror are abruptly brought to an end by guffaws of laughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 "But once outside they were greeted by pro-independence hecklers. One rode alongside them through the streets in a rickshaw with a sound system playing The Imperial March, made famous by Star Wars. He kept up with the group as they walked through the city centre booming into a megaphone "Welcome to our imperial masters! Our imperial masters have arrived!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Well he can't claim it will stay the same, because he can't, can he? Or he'd have a lot more insight into a post-independece Scotland than most do. He's pretty much just saying nothing, so I'm not really sure what you're taking from it. Go and read the full statement. I've quoted one sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5698 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The Yes side has been winning the currency debate. You don't win an election or a referendum campaign by making a technically superior argument. You win by persuading people to vote the way you want them to vote. Twice in the last six months, this issue has been at the very forefront of the referendum debate. On both occasions, the Yes vote has increased noticeably. That means the Yes side has been winning the debate on currency. Do you think Salmond came over technically better regarding currency than Darling in the first debate? In the second debate he was certainly more vocal but came up with 3 plan B's and no plan A, if you think that is a good arguement then god help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Go and read the full statement. I've quoted one sentence. John Lewis are at it now too. Never knowingly undersold indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 "But once outside they were greeted by pro-independence hecklers. One rode alongside them through the streets in a rickshaw with a sound system playing The Imperial March, made famous by Star Wars. He kept up with the group as they walked through the city centre booming into a megaphone "Welcome to our imperial masters! Our imperial masters have arrived!" It's better than those Women Nationalists singing "O'Flower O'Scoatland" on the the news last night I suppose. Had me peering through my fingers that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 John Lewis are at it now too. Never knowingly undersold indeed And Sillars is calling for boycotts to teach them a lesson in 'interfering with democracy' Aye pal, crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The Yes side has been winning the currency debate. You don't win an election or a referendum campaign by making a technically superior argument. You win by persuading people to vote the way you want them to vote. Twice in the last six months, this issue has been at the very forefront of the referendum debate. On both occasions, the Yes vote has increased noticeably. That means the Yes side has been winning the debate on currency. It kind of depends where your base starts really. going from 40 to 45 points still means you are losing the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 And Sillars is calling for boycotts to teach them a lesson in 'interfering with democracy' Aye pal, crack on. Mr Sillars makes a good point in a ham fisted way. The consumer in Scotland has the ultimate decision on where they shop. If ASDA put prices up, people will shop elsewhere, it's a very competitive market. Same applies to a degree to John Lewis although they are more of a destination shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 John Lewis are at it now too. Never knowingly undersold indeed Think I can price match against an English branch? So we know that ASDA's prices might increase, decrease, or stay the same. RBS might or might not move to England. Standard Life might or might not move to England. We might or might not get to keep the pound. We might or might not join the EU. Our economy might or might not go to shit. Mortgage rates might up, might go down. Are there any facts in this debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So briefly- big businesses that support indie and state why = visionary and the good guys big businesses that support no= scare mongers NO exceptions to either rule as far as I can see Public support of yes = heralded and cheered Public support of no= derided, threatend and dismissed as a bully and a liar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm curious about what the reaction would be like if, a week out from a knife-edge general election, a handful of corporations made both explicit and implicit warnings about a Labour victory. Would the general public think that was acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So briefly- big businesses that support indie and state why = visionary and the good guys big businesses that support no= scare mongers NO exceptions to either rule as far as I can see Public support of yes = heralded and cheered Public support of no= derided, threatend and dismissed as a bully and a liar I suspect it has more to do with the arguments being put forward. Still, two years on into this thing, to hear a reason why we are indeed "Better Together", be that from business or politicians. Simply saying "it will all go to pot if we get Independence" is not an argument. It could equally all go to pot within the Union. I think many who are voting yes are doing so because they think it already has! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think I can price match against an English branch? So we know that ASDA's prices might increase, decrease, or stay the same. RBS might or might not move to England. Standard Life might or might not move to England. We might or might not get to keep the pound. We might or might not join the EU. Our economy might or might not go to shit. Mortgage rates might up, might go down. Are there any facts in this debate? Yes - my life may soon be irretrievably damaged by folks who still see this as an anti- tory, anti right wing debate. Leaving us to be ruled by the intellectual pygmies of the Scottish political elite who are portraying some kind of socialist eutopia that is utterly unachievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think I can price match against an English branch? So we know that ASDA's prices might increase, decrease, or stay the same. RBS might or might not move to England. Standard Life might or might not move to England. We might or might not get to keep the pound. We might or might not join the EU. Our economy might or might not go to shit. Mortgage rates might up, might go down. Are there any facts in this debate? the only fact i can think of is that either way around 40% of the population is going to be disaffected on the 19th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So briefly- big businesses that support indie and state why = visionary and the good guys big businesses that support no= scare mongers NO exceptions to either rule as far as I can see Public support of yes = heralded and cheered Public support of no= derided, threatend and dismissed as a bully and a liar From what I can see, only a handful of businesses have backed either side, a lot of businesses have came out with comments suggesting things may change in the result of a Yes vote, as expected. What's questionable is the No campaign using these statements/comments as some sort of proof that a Yes vote would be bad for businesses and consumers when there are no concrete facts to back them up. It's all speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think we've reached and exceeded peak scaremongering. Like that bit in I Know What You Did Last Summer where the bad guy sprouts big angel wings and flies away and 20 mins of genuine terror are abruptly brought to an end by guffaws of laughter. Spot-on. Although I think it might be Jeepers Creepers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Spot-on. Although I think it might be Jeepers Creepers... Haha. I think you're right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes - my life may soon be irretrievably damaged by folks who still see this as an anti- tory, anti right wing debate. Leaving us to be ruled by the intellectual pygmies of the Scottish political elite who are portraying some kind of socialist eutopia that is utterly unachievable However you retain the option to follow in the footsteps of RBS, Standard Life, etc etc to relocate your head office to London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm with you Dr Jambo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I suspect it has more to do with the arguments being put forward. Still, two years on into this thing, to hear a reason why we are indeed "Better Together", be that from business or politicians. Simply saying "it will all go to pot if we get Independence" is not an argument. It could equally all go to pot within the Union. I think many who are voting yes are doing so because they think it already has! But Boris, be carefulk what you wish for- INdependence in the EU has done what for France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Ireland and so on- all in much worse states than Scotland Our economy is growing, employment is growing Our youth unemployment vastly less than those other nations Things are not great- but we are a damn site better than the vast majority of European countries- no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So, in the event of a yes vote we are losing RBS, Michelle Mone, hunners of Rangers fans and now Asda. It's going to be a landslide. Shut the door behind you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 But Boris, be carefulk what you wish for- INdependence in the EU has done what for France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Ireland and so on- all in much worse states than Scotland Our economy is growing, employment is growing Our youth unemployment vastly less than those other nations Things are not great- but we are a damn site better than the vast majority of European countries- no? That's as maybe. We could also be doing a damn site better than we currently are within the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Mr Sillars makes a good point in a ham fisted way. The consumer in Scotland has the ultimate decision on where they shop. If ASDA put prices up, people will shop elsewhere, it's a very competitive market. Same applies to a degree to John Lewis although they are more of a destination shop. This is true. But I would wager that if ASDA are forced to put prices up because of market conditions, then others will too. ASDA is a big player and will be better placed to cope than many. The market (consumer) will always choose ? as it should be. So it will obviously be in every supermarket?s best interests to keep their costs down. But calling for boycotts because the boss of a business says that a consequence of a vote will be X, when you are desperate for the consequence to be Y is pretty unbelievable. Guys like this should have no place in the public sphere. I can understand chaps like Wings attempting to organise this sort of thing ? but Sillars? Nah, pretty shameful IMO. p.s. Why would the ASDA boss be at it? Is he a BT stooge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I suspect it has more to do with the arguments being put forward. Still, two years on into this thing, to hear a reason why we are indeed "Better Together", be that from business or politicians. Simply saying "it will all go to pot if we get Independence" is not an argument. It could equally all go to pot within the Union. I think many who are voting yes are doing so because they think it already has! Exactly. Then they wonder why there's a negativity surrounding the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Have any businesses, or in fact anyone, threatened to leave the country after a NT vote? A kind of voluntary clearance. The downside would be more material for the proclaimers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Phamism Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'd happily pay more for premium Scottish goods anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 That's as maybe. We could also be doing a damn site better than we currently are within the UK. Naturally- however the UK is doing REALLY well comparatively and is the envy of many other nations re Growth and projected growth. And the sad fact is Scotland sees socialism as in its fabric (its not) and aspiration, achievement and affluence as shameful. FOr many a more equal society means we are all equally poor, and as long as we are all equally poor together thats fine. Scots have a terrible habit of sneering at the successful. Brave prediction here - the vote wont even be close. No will win by a distance as the middle classes sneak out their houses, avoiding the gazes of others to cast their no votes against their own country to their eternal shame, then pretend forever after they voted yes. Because Scots feckin hate the middle class with their fancy hooses, flash motors and guid joabs they may as well hate us as traitors as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) However you retain the option to follow in the footsteps of RBS, Standard Life, etc etc to relocate your head office to London. If you don't like the new Scotland, then leave. Is that what it's coming to? Edited September 11, 2014 by The People's Chimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If you don't like the new Scotland, then leave. Is that what it's coming to? Love it or leave it man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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