Flogel98 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just got a text from my mate who's there now. PR Disaster - plenty questions, no answers. Trying to find out if der furher's there. All sounds a bit bleak from what I can gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberjambo Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 No surprise there then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Is Romanov there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Was 'PR disaster' his words or yours? I think we all knew what today had in store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Isn't this kind of showing up just how "in the know" the JKBers who are always spouting facts with such certainty are. Over an hour in and no-one knows if Vlad is there or not. Were people strip searched for mobile phones on the way in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Isn't this kind of showing up just how "in the know" the JKBers who are always spouting facts with such certainty are. Over an hour in and no-one knows if Vlad is there or not. Were people strip searched for mobile phones on the way in? Would like to think people are too busy at the AGM to be texting there mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Would like to think people are too busy at the AGM to be texting there mates.The OP said he got a text from his mate:rolleyes: Surely his mate knows what Vlad looks like:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The OP said he got a text from his mate:rolleyes: Surely his mate knows what Vlad looks like:) Vlad's just a little chap. If there is a big guy sitting in front of his mate, between his mate and Vlad he might not see him:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Vlad's just a little chap. If there is a big guy sitting in front of his mate, between his mate and Vlad he might not see him:pOr he might be wearing a hat(not Russian), false mouser and glasses:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 To the 'empire', the AGM's are nothing more than a pain in the erchie. However, it might encourage them to go ahead with the debt for equity swap so that they can avoid these kind of events, and scrutiny, in the future. Which could be a good thing if you worry about headline debt figures and a bad thing if you worry about accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossory_Jambo Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 What, you mean like 'incognito' ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible Trio Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 it's the refs fault we're so ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 To the 'empire', the AGM's are nothing more than a pain in the erchie. However, it might encourage them to go ahead with the debt for equity swap so that they can avoid these kind of events, and scrutiny, in the future. Which could be a good thing if you worry about headline debt figures and a bad thing if you worry about accountability. The thing with a debt for equity swap is that it would become even harder to sell Hearts with a profit for the VR/UBIG companies. Debts (even in markets like just now) are tradeable at some sort of price. Debt for equity swap will just mean that the losses are crystallised now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 He wasn't there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Vlad will be circled by 6 burly Eastern European types just incase it gets out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The thing with a debt for equity swap is that it would become even harder to sell Hearts with a profit for the VR/UBIG companies. Debts (even in markets like just now) are tradeable at some sort of price. Debt for equity swap will just mean that the losses are crystallised now. Very true but no matter what, if Vlad wanted to sell, he would have to take a haircut somewhere, be it on the debt or the equity. At least with the swap he could ignore any protests etc. because he would truly own things lock, stock and barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So if he's not there then who is that is capable of answering questions on his behalf???? NOBODY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 He wasn't there! disappointing if true mate. Hardly suprising though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So if he's not there then who is that is capable of answering questions on his behalf???? NOBODY!!! Hearty Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just out of AGM. No Vlad. Roman, Serge and CO were at the table. I missed the first 20 minutes but from what I gather I missed nothing postive. Plenty of dicussion on the debt and stadium and in all honesty no concretE answers were forth coming at all. RR says if we want a ?10million stand then they will look at that option. In a typically sarcastic tone. After being asked if a new Manager will get 100% control RR answered by saying that it will be a team effort- or words to that effect. The way i understand it is :- John Murray will have complete responsibilty for the Academy but........... A new Manager not have 100% control. Romans example was :- If VR wants to have a player in the team to help him progress then this will be discussed. Also, Roman Romanov was still under the impression that Roman Bednar was a registered Kaunas player. Pedro Lopez had to interfene. RR also stated that none of the monies paid out last year on transfer fee's went to Kaunas. But I have to say he seemed unsure of this. Apart from that............... Pile of sh ite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 disappointing if true mate. Hardly suprising though I think it is surprising He's completely stopped pretending that the supporters and now shareholders views are of any importance and/or consequence to him Things get clearer by the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Hearty Harry? I doubt it.... We'd probably get some answers from him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Very true but no matter what, if Vlad wanted to sell, he would have to take a haircut somewhere, be it on the debt or the equity. At least with the swap he could ignore any protests etc. because he would truly own things lock, stock and barrel. Yes, agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeVee Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Very true but no matter what, if Vlad wanted to sell, he would have to take a haircut somewhere, be it on the debt or the equity. At least with the swap he could ignore any protests etc. because he would truly own things lock, stock and barrel. The other thing with a debt for equity swap is that according to the accounts our athorised share capital is ?13 million and issued share capital is ?12.6 million. Does that not mean we can only get ?40,000 of the debt by doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just out of AGM. No Vlad. Roman, Serge and CO were at the table. I missed the first 20 minutes but from what I gather I missed nothing postive. Plenty of dicussion on the debt and stadium and in all honesty no concretE answers were forth coming at all. RR says if we want a ?10million stand then they will look at that option. In a typically sarcastic tone. After being asked if a new Manager will get 100% control RR answered by saying that it will be a team effort- or words to that effect. The way i understand it is :- John Murray will have complete responsibilty for the Academy but........... A new Manager not have 100% control. Romans example was :- If VR wants to have a player in the team to help him progress then this will be discussed. Also, Roman Romanov was still under the impression that Roman Bednar was a registered Kaunas player. Pedro Lopez had to interfene. RR also stated that none of the monies paid out last year on transfer fee's went to Kaunas. But I have to say he seemed unsure of this. Apart from that............... Pile of sh ite. So "Gareth" remains as chairman then, even though he's never here? Fantastic! Bring back Doug Smith!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 A new Manager not have 100% control. Romans example was :- If VR wants to have a player in the team to help him progress then this will be discussed. . OK roll up roll up Who wants to win the title of Commander in Chief mod delete? I cant wait to hear the grovelling snivelling invertibrate arguments in support of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I think it is surprising He's completely stopped pretending that the supporters and now shareholders views are of any importance and/or consequence to him Things get clearer by the day don't understand the point you're making. To me, this is exactly the reason it's not suprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just out of AGM. No Vlad. Roman, Serge and CO were at the table. I missed the first 20 minutes but from what I gather I missed nothing postive. Plenty of dicussion on the debt and stadium and in all honesty no concretE answers were forth coming at all. RR says if we want a ?10million stand then they will look at that option. In a typically sarcastic tone. After being asked if a new Manager will get 100% control RR answered by saying that it will be a team effort- or words to that effect. The way i understand it is :- John Murray will have complete responsibilty for the Academy but........... A new Manager not have 100% control. Romans example was :- If VR wants to have a player in the team to help him progress then this will be discussed. Also, Roman Romanov was still under the impression that Roman Bednar was a registered Kaunas player. Pedro Lopez had to interfene. RR also stated that none of the monies paid out last year on transfer fee's went to Kaunas. But I have to say he seemed unsure of this. Apart from that............... Pile of sh ite. What a crock of ****. Not your post - the BOD and the sham AGM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The other thing with a debt for equity swap is that according to the accounts our athorised share capital is ?13 million and issued share capital is ?12.6 million. Does that not mean we can only get ?40,000 of the debt by doing that? I think that they would have to go through an EGM. But not 100% on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The other thing with a debt for equity swap is that according to the accounts our athorised share capital is ?13 million and issued share capital is ?12.6 million. Does that not mean we can only get ?40,000 of the debt by doing that? No, new shares would be created equivalent to however much of the debt is written off, diluting the present shareholdings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Busby ! Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just out of AGM. If VR wants to have a player in the team to help him progress then this will be discussed. I'm sure Mark McGhee will be fine with that arrangement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 OK roll up roll up Who wants to win the title of Commander in Chief ? I cant wait to hear the grovelling snivelling invertibrate arguments in support of this... The system is common or garden in Eastern Europe. It would actually work a lot better if Vlad had a clue about football but the evidence shows that he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 don't understand the point you're making. To me, this is exactly the reason it's not suprising Its surprising that he has made it so obvious to so many Hearts fans that he doesnt care He at least still had smokescreens in place until today Now he has nothing No Hearts fan can pretend that he has any interest in our views any more There were plenty that were still pretending Anyone that argues he is interested now would just look completely stupid. So, yes, I am surprised he made it so obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeVee Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 No, new shares would be created equivalent to however much of the debt is written off, diluting the present shareholdings. But I thought that you could only create new shares up to the authorised limit. I don't know who authorises it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im1874 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Absoulute Farce when our majority Shareholder doesn't even turn up!! That's it no ST for me this year.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 does this mean we can stop pretending we're getting a manager then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I'm sure Mark McGhee will be fine with that arrangement I'm quite sure all the other 11 managers in the SPL will be delighted with that arrangement when they come to play Hearts. Mr McGhee will probably find it a releif from his office in the Brother Wlafred suite at darkheid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Its surprising that he has made it so obvious to so many Hearts fans that he doesnt care He at least still had smokescreens in place until today Now he has nothing No Hearts fan can pretend that he has any interest in our views any more There were plenty that were still pretending Anyone that argues he is interested now would just look completely stupid. So, yes, I am surprised he made it so obvious He didn't attend last year's AGM either. I just find it scary that the Gareth lookalike turns up after not being at the club for God knows how long and is asked to answer questions he hasn't a scooby on. That's the real shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just out of AGM. RR also stated that none of the monies paid out last year on transfer fee's went to Kaunas. But I have to say he seemed unsure of this. Apart from that............... Pile of sh ite. Cheers for the update Drylaw but the quoted chestnut caught my eye. Where the hell did all the money stated in the accounts for player registrations(or words to that effect) go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 But I thought that you could only create new shares up to the authorised limit. I don't know who authorises it though. Like Coco says, it would require an EGM to authorise the creation of the share capital and the swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 With the current state of the club and the feelings of the fans, if it's true that RR has stated what is said then I am shocked that it's not become very, very heated in there! Even after everything that has happened they are still saying that Vlad will effectively have the final say on the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 One other thing.............. I got the impression from Serge that they have looked at a deal to lower the Clubs debt with the involvemnet of UBIG. Purely guessing here but it could be the deal that finally see's Tynecastle and the Football Club existing as seperate companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 does this mean we can stop pretending we're getting a manager then? I think the team we saw in the last two games answered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 This will just reinforce the view of the majority of Hearts supporters, and those who care for the club that the Romanov regime is actually one of total comedy and one which you wouldn't trust with anything. "Manager will get 100% control, blah de blah blah...". Give it a rest, nobody (except the tiniest of minorities, like the 2 lapdogs from the corrupt Federation taken over to Kaunas to lap out Daddy Vlads doggybowl) believes a single word that comes out of these jokers mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 He didn't attend last year's AGM either. . but our football decline has worsened our debt has worsened the fans attitude towards him has worsened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I just find it scary that the Gareth lookalike turns up after not being at the club for God knows how long and is asked to answer questions he hasn't a scooby on. That's the real shambles. Nail on the head mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 ****ing Joke. AJM Annual Jokers Meeting. They really do need to get a grip and start running things properly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Cheers for the update Drylaw but the quoted chestnut caught my eye. Where the hell did all the money stated in the accounts for player registrations(or words to that effect) go ? He refused to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 No, new shares would be created equivalent to however much of the debt is written off, diluting the present shareholdings. That is my understanding of what is on offer as well Geoff, it would effectivley, through diluting, make the minority shareholders shareholdings worthless, and give UBIG/UKIO/Vladimir Romanov/Roman Romanov (whoevers name the major shareholding is in at the moment, it seems to get moved about an awful lot, transferring from one to the other) total and absolute, 100%, control of the club, although I suppose there are grounds for saying they already have that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I think the team we saw in the last two games answered that. Sure did, but we still have to put up with ridiculous rumours on here that MM/BD/JJ/CL (delete as applicable) are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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